Sure, but they could also just be a wolf. Do you have any way of knowing the difference?In post 1317, ketchup777 wrote: I don't know guys... I think Titus is too obvious, too 'perfect' of a vote, too easy for the mafia to shade. 1079 reminds me eerily of Bugspray's 165 . I feel like a replacement mafia would put in more effort and not seem so obviously low-effort/shady
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I played like one round of a game last month on my friends ps5 and I was so awful at controller I died immediately so that's my only memory of the game as of late lmfaoooo. Walking around while healing etc is so wacky to see, but I hope that's still in the gameIn post 1280, Black wrote: I like it. It feels different but I'm having lots of fun. Really fun to play with friends-
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Is the read on me based on my predecessor, or literally meIn post 1321, ketchup777 wrote: mafia: Jackson nee. Jacob, OutWorld, Hu Tao-
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Ok sure I'll give you benefit of the doubt for now. But I never said that you were the one to suggest the idea of killing Delta. It seems like you misread what I said where a town might see the ambiguity and consider both possible cases (Outworld the suggester vs Outworld the oohilikethisideasureletsdoiter).In post 1323, OutWorldER wrote:Spoiler: quote
I assumed because of the post I snipped, which specifically called me out as the one remaining person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. I thought you were implying that I had killed Delta out of fear for her read on me, to which I countered that were I to be scum, then I'd have two other partners who would also have to OK that fear-kill, on a player who had a fair share of scumreads going into D2.-
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Nope I'm just trying my best ):In post 1325, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Sure, but they could also just be a wolf. Do you have any way of knowing the difference?In post 1317, ketchup777 wrote: I don't know guys... I think Titus is too obvious, too 'perfect' of a vote, too easy for the mafia to shade. 1079 reminds me eerily of Bugspray's 165 . I feel like a replacement mafia would put in more effort and not seem so obviously low-effort/shady-
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You're a sly rascal it says so in your signature (:In post 1327, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Is the read on me based on my predecessor, or literally meIn post 1321, ketchup777 wrote: mafia: Jackson nee. Jacob, OutWorld, Hu Tao
Mostly your predecessor atm, haven't formed an opinion either way on your posts yet.
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How else was I supposed to read the post? I don't understand what you're trying to get at. You all but directly insinuated that me saying I wasn't putting much stock in NKA was an attempt to deflect from me being the only person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. That only makes sense if you think I was the most responsible for the decision to kill Delta.In post 1328, ketchup777 wrote:
Ok sure I'll give you benefit of the doubt for now.In post 1323, OutWorldER wrote:Spoiler: quote
I assumed because of the post I snipped, which specifically called me out as the one remaining person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. I thought you were implying that I had killed Delta out of fear for her read on me, to which I countered that were I to be scum, then I'd have two other partners who would also have to OK that fear-kill, on a player who had a fair share of scumreads going into D2.But I never said that you were the one to suggest the idea of killing Delta. It seems like you misread what I saidwhere a town might see the ambiguity and consider both possible cases (Outworld the suggester vs Outworld the oohilikethisideasureletsdoiter).-
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This is how I imagine it went down in the scum PT.In post 1328, ketchup777 wrote:
Ok sure I'll give you benefit of the doubt for now. But I never said that you were the one to suggest the idea of killing Delta. It seems like you misread what I said where a town might see the ambiguity and consider both possible cases (Outworld the suggester vs Outworld the oohilikethisideasureletsdoiter).In post 1323, OutWorldER wrote:Spoiler: quote
I assumed because of the post I snipped, which specifically called me out as the one remaining person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. I thought you were implying that I had killed Delta out of fear for her read on me, to which I countered that were I to be scum, then I'd have two other partners who would also have to OK that fear-kill, on a player who had a fair share of scumreads going into D2.
Hu Tao: hey guys do you know what would be fun
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: killing Delta
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: Delta also kinda suspects you OutWorld so let's do some double bluff stuff and I can raise a point about scum tending to shoot off the wagon so we should look off the wagon, etc... this will throw them into chaos! make them doubt everything they've ever known! If we're lucky we hit Delta being a power role as well, and they won't be protected.
OutWorld: eh sure I would never have thought of this. Crazy, but it could work
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Jacob: sorry I've been really busy right now. I'll let you guys handle this.
Hu Tao: perfect, agreed I'll make the kill as the least sus is on me right now? no need to use juggernaut yet {if one of them is jug idk)
OutWorld: ok. this'll be fun!
Jacob: ----
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Someone could have suggested it to you on your behalf though.In post 1331, OutWorldER wrote:
How else was I supposed to read the post? I don't understand what you're trying to get at. You all but directly insinuated that me saying I wasn't putting much stock in NKA was an attempt to deflect from me being the only person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. That only makes sense if you think I was the most responsible for the decision to kill Delta.In post 1328, ketchup777 wrote:
Ok sure I'll give you benefit of the doubt for now.In post 1323, OutWorldER wrote:Spoiler: quote
I assumed because of the post I snipped, which specifically called me out as the one remaining person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. I thought you were implying that I had killed Delta out of fear for her read on me, to which I countered that were I to be scum, then I'd have two other partners who would also have to OK that fear-kill, on a player who had a fair share of scumreads going into D2.But I never said that you were the one to suggest the idea of killing Delta. It seems like you misread what I saidwhere a town might see the ambiguity and consider both possible cases (Outworld the suggester vs Outworld the oohilikethisideasureletsdoiter).
But maybe I need to look at this again in the morning
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Totally accurate followupIn post 1332, ketchup777 wrote:
This is how I imagine it went down in the scum PT.In post 1328, ketchup777 wrote:
Ok sure I'll give you benefit of the doubt for now. But I never said that you were the one to suggest the idea of killing Delta. It seems like you misread what I said where a town might see the ambiguity and consider both possible cases (Outworld the suggester vs Outworld the oohilikethisideasureletsdoiter).In post 1323, OutWorldER wrote:Spoiler: quote
I assumed because of the post I snipped, which specifically called me out as the one remaining person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. I thought you were implying that I had killed Delta out of fear for her read on me, to which I countered that were I to be scum, then I'd have two other partners who would also have to OK that fear-kill, on a player who had a fair share of scumreads going into D2.
Hu Tao: hey guys do you know what would be fun
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: killing Delta
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: Delta also kinda suspects you OutWorld so let's do some double bluff stuff and I can raise a point about scum tending to shoot off the wagon so we should look off the wagon, etc... this will throw them into chaos! make them doubt everything they've ever known! If we're lucky we hit Delta being a power role as well, and they won't be protected.
OutWorld: eh sure I would never have thought of this. Crazy, but it could work
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Jacob: sorry I've been really busy right now. I'll let you guys handle this.
Hu Tao: perfect, agreed I'll make the kill as the least sus is on me right now? no need to use juggernaut yet {if one of them is jug idk)
OutWorld: ok. this'll be fun!
Jacob: ---
Night 2:
Hu Tao: Jacoooooooob. You there?
Outworld: you gotta do something
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Jacob: bjhrfvxilkdz imma vote ketchup sbdcyuzg i'm so hungover right now jkfxhjcvkxilf
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Start of day 2**In post 1334, ketchup777 wrote:
Totally accurate followupIn post 1332, ketchup777 wrote:
This is how I imagine it went down in the scum PT.In post 1328, ketchup777 wrote:
Ok sure I'll give you benefit of the doubt for now. But I never said that you were the one to suggest the idea of killing Delta. It seems like you misread what I said where a town might see the ambiguity and consider both possible cases (Outworld the suggester vs Outworld the oohilikethisideasureletsdoiter).In post 1323, OutWorldER wrote:Spoiler: quote
I assumed because of the post I snipped, which specifically called me out as the one remaining person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. I thought you were implying that I had killed Delta out of fear for her read on me, to which I countered that were I to be scum, then I'd have two other partners who would also have to OK that fear-kill, on a player who had a fair share of scumreads going into D2.
Hu Tao: hey guys do you know what would be fun
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: killing Delta
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: Delta also kinda suspects you OutWorld so let's do some double bluff stuff and I can raise a point about scum tending to shoot off the wagon so we should look off the wagon, etc... this will throw them into chaos! make them doubt everything they've ever known! If we're lucky we hit Delta being a power role as well, and they won't be protected.
OutWorld: eh sure I would never have thought of this. Crazy, but it could work
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*prod*
Jacob: sorry I've been really busy right now. I'll let you guys handle this.
Hu Tao: perfect, agreed I'll make the kill as the least sus is on me right now? no need to use juggernaut yet {if one of them is jug idk)
OutWorld: ok. this'll be fun!
Jacob: ---
Night 2:
Hu Tao: Jacoooooooob. You there?
Outworld: you gotta do something
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Jacob: bjhrfvxilkdz imma vote ketchup sbdcyuzg i'm so hungover right now jkfxhjcvkxilf
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In post 1117, ketchup777 wrote:
Jacob24: Currently inactive. If it wasn't for the surprise evidence I found against Hu Tao above in 1113 , my vote would still be on him.Some of his reads seem to be very volatile, and his singular post of day 2 accusing me without any evidence was shallow and unsatisfactory, showing the disengagement I might expect from a mafia member. Then to the second part of his most recent post,
"Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann."
--snip--
Also how did I go from being townread in 188 to being one of Jacob's top 2 suspects in 371 ? These were only 9h19mins apart! Talking of 371, two things:
-->He sheeps my reads format to seem like he is producing a lot of content, when in reality he does not give any reasoning for any of his reads so it would be easy to low-effort a reads list based on vibes.
-->This is a strange thing to say. All townies should care for some nice reads. The only people who wouldn't care so much (excl. disengaged townies) would be the mafia...
If only I could vote for 2 people at once...What makes volatile behaviour scummy?Also do you think Town cannot change their reads super fast?This seems like projecting actually.Mhm, but how can you differentiate between he is just not confident vs something that the mafia would say.-
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In post 1206, ketchup777 wrote:
welcomeIn post 1199, JacksonVirgo wrote: Yeah, what he said
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For someone who commented that when I first replaced in, not commenting on a single thing I've done is strange and I'm almost positive there would be something to comment on if you wanted toIn post 1330, ketchup777 wrote: Mostly your predecessor atm, haven't formed an opinion either way on your posts yet.-
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I confirm, this is what happenedIn post 1334, ketchup777 wrote: Thomith:*Please welcome JacksonVirgo!*-
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In post 1336, JacksonVirgo wrote:In post 1117, ketchup777 wrote:
Jacob24: Currently inactive. If it wasn't for the surprise evidence I found against Hu Tao above in 1113 , my vote would still be on him.Some of his reads seem to be very volatile, and his singular post of day 2 accusing me without any evidence was shallow and unsatisfactory, showing the disengagement I might expect from a mafia member. Then to the second part of his most recent post,
"Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann."
--snip--
Also how did I go from being townread in 188 to being one of Jacob's top 2 suspects in 371 ? These were only 9h19mins apart! Talking of 371, two things:
-->He sheeps my reads format to seem like he is producing a lot of content, when in reality he does not give any reasoning for any of his reads so it would be easy to low-effort a reads list based on vibes.
-->This is a strange thing to say. All townies should care for some nice reads. The only people who wouldn't care so much (excl. disengaged townies) would be the mafia...
If only I could vote for 2 people at once...What makes volatile behaviour scummy?Also do you think Town cannot change their reads super fast?This seems like projecting actually.Mhm, but how can you differentiate between he is just not confident vs something that the mafia would say.post 30 makes it seem as though Jacob's reads will be few and far between, carefully considered and unlikely to change suddenly. admit this wasn't one of my strongest points tho perhaps
don't understand what you mean here
Not confident it feels he might accompany with a message of like "they may be far from perfect at the moment but here's my attempt at reads". The wording he used feels as if he almost unwilling tossed out these half-baked without-any-reasoning reads because he felt pressured to do so. He wasn't concerned with solving who was town but rather pleasing those going after him-
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WE GOT HIMIn post 1338, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I confirm, this is what happenedIn post 1334, ketchup777 wrote: Thomith:*Please welcome JacksonVirgo!*-
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Blue -> That's the opposite of volatile ftr, what do you feel makes this scummy?In post 1339, ketchup777 wrote:In post 1336, JacksonVirgo wrote:In post 1117, ketchup777 wrote:
Jacob24: Currently inactive. If it wasn't for the surprise evidence I found against Hu Tao above in 1113 , my vote would still be on him.Some of his reads seem to be very volatile, and his singular post of day 2 accusing me without any evidence was shallow and unsatisfactory, showing the disengagement I might expect from a mafia member. Then to the second part of his most recent post,
"Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann."
--snip--
Also how did I go from being townread in 188 to being one of Jacob's top 2 suspects in 371 ? These were only 9h19mins apart! Talking of 371, two things:
-->He sheeps my reads format to seem like he is producing a lot of content, when in reality he does not give any reasoning for any of his reads so it would be easy to low-effort a reads list based on vibes.
-->This is a strange thing to say. All townies should care for some nice reads. The only people who wouldn't care so much (excl. disengaged townies) would be the mafia...
If only I could vote for 2 people at once...What makes volatile behaviour scummy?Also do you think Town cannot change their reads super fast?This seems like projecting actually.Mhm, but how can you differentiate between he is just not confident vs something that the mafia would say.post 30 makes it seem as though Jacob's reads will be few and far between, carefully considered and unlikely to change suddenly. admit this wasn't one of my strongest points tho perhaps
don't understand what you mean here
Not confident it feels he might accompany with a message of like "they may be far from perfect at the moment but here's my attempt at reads". The wording he used feels as if he almost unwilling tossed out these half-baked without-any-reasoning reads because he felt pressured to do so. He wasn't concerned with solving who was town but rather pleasing those going after him
Red -> Just an observation, don't worry about it
Pink -> You're quite unfairly assuming people should play in a particular way, or how people would express their insecurities.
Green -> You never commented on this-
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You have like 20 posts half of which are just pleasantries but ok I'll try (then I really must sleep...)In post 1337, JacksonVirgo wrote:In post 1206, ketchup777 wrote:
welcomeIn post 1199, JacksonVirgo wrote: Yeah, what he said
please help us
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For someone who commented that when I first replaced in, not commenting on a single thing I've done is strange and I'm almost positive there would be something to comment on if you wanted toIn post 1330, ketchup777 wrote: Mostly your predecessor atm, haven't formed an opinion either way on your posts yet.
1220 does look positively upon you wanting to read over the game, but that doesn't confirm you one way or the other.
1226 seems son the surface impressive but it's getting to the point where everyone's produced something impressive at some point or another. Mafia!Jackson knows something big is needed to turn the tide, and 1226 would be a good way to start off. On the other hand, Town!Jackson maybe just wants to try show how his slot's been hard done by. Same conclusion, different alignments :/
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1226 is just the catchup post, which is typical for people who replace in. I'm more talking about things like my reasonings on Gypyx, or my thought process etc. It feels like you were doing busywork with 1206 and then didn't follow up, even to a small degree-
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Blue --> Jacob makes it seem as if he won't be volatile, but he turns out being volatile. I might be misusing volatile, so I'll rephrase. 30 gives slow and confident voter vibes. Jacob actually sends out a ton of different and underjustified votes, which was surprising.In post 1341, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Blue -> That's the opposite of volatile ftr, what do you feel makes this scummy?In post 1339, ketchup777 wrote:In post 1336, JacksonVirgo wrote:In post 1117, ketchup777 wrote:
Jacob24: Currently inactive. If it wasn't for the surprise evidence I found against Hu Tao above in 1113 , my vote would still be on him.Some of his reads seem to be very volatile, and his singular post of day 2 accusing me without any evidence was shallow and unsatisfactory, showing the disengagement I might expect from a mafia member. Then to the second part of his most recent post,
"Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann."
--snip--
Also how did I go from being townread in 188 to being one of Jacob's top 2 suspects in 371 ? These were only 9h19mins apart! Talking of 371, two things:
-->He sheeps my reads format to seem like he is producing a lot of content, when in reality he does not give any reasoning for any of his reads so it would be easy to low-effort a reads list based on vibes.
-->This is a strange thing to say. All townies should care for some nice reads. The only people who wouldn't care so much (excl. disengaged townies) would be the mafia...
If only I could vote for 2 people at once...What makes volatile behaviour scummy?Also do you think Town cannot change their reads super fast?This seems like projecting actually.Mhm, but how can you differentiate between he is just not confident vs something that the mafia would say.post 30 makes it seem as though Jacob's reads will be few and far between, carefully considered and unlikely to change suddenly. admit this wasn't one of my strongest points tho perhaps
don't understand what you mean here
Not confident it feels he might accompany with a message of like "they may be far from perfect at the moment but here's my attempt at reads". The wording he used feels as if he almost unwilling tossed out these half-baked without-any-reasoning reads because he felt pressured to do so. He wasn't concerned with solving who was town but rather pleasing those going after him
Red -> Just an observation, don't worry about it
Pink -> You're quite unfairly assuming people should play in a particular way, or how people would express their insecurities.
Green -> You never commented on this
Pink--> Sure. I'm trying to pick apart the language, wrong or right, because if it stands out to me it might be worth mentioning. I know people are different. But the mafia exist out there somewhere...
Green--> Wasn't green essentially the same point as blue or did I misunderstand-
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In post 1343, JacksonVirgo wrote: 1226 is just the catchup post, which is typical for people who replace in. I'm more talking about things like my reasonings on Gypyx, or my thought process etc.It feels like you were doing busywork with 1206 and then didn't follow up, even to a small degree1206 was just a harmless greeting intended to be funny
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I love how we're sticking to the coloursIn post 1344, ketchup777 wrote: Blue --> Jacob makes it seem as if he won't be volatile, but he turns out being volatile. I might be misusing volatile, so I'll rephrase. 30 gives slow and confident voter vibes. Jacob actually sends out a ton of different and underjustified votes, which was surprising.
Pink--> Sure. I'm trying to pick apart the language, wrong or right, because if it stands out to me it might be worth mentioning. I know people are different. But the mafia exist out there somewhere...
Green--> Wasn't green essentially the same point as blue or did I misunderstand
Blue -> Yeah, I understand. Why do you think this is scummy? That's my main reason for asking in the first place.
Pink -> The mafia very much does exist somewhere but that doesn't justify reading someone for the language they use just because it's the language they used that you disagree with. People are different
Green -> It was a mixed question, but I am curious what you make of it anyway. Do you town-read careful planning, or volatile behaviour? Or neither? Why?-
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I figured, I just wanted you to say it more than me feed you the response I was looking forIn post 1345, ketchup777 wrote:In post 1343, JacksonVirgo wrote: 1226 is just the catchup post, which is typical for people who replace in. I'm more talking about things like my reasonings on Gypyx, or my thought process etc.It feels like you were doing busywork with 1206 and then didn't follow up, even to a small degree1206 was just a harmless greeting intended to be funny
I sleep-
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Good night sweet prince, I will be expecting you to respond back to me after of courseIn post 1345, ketchup777 wrote:I sleep-
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I think Titus would act just like this as a scum replacementIn post 1317, ketchup777 wrote: I don't know guys... I think Titus is too obvious, too 'perfect' of a vote, too easy for the mafia to shade. 1079 reminds me eerily of Bugspray's 165 . I feel like a replacement mafia would put in more effort and not seem so obviously low-effort/shady
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