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[Vivax]

I am more amicable and diplomatic as mafia. I rarely take risks. I think if I had to pick my mafia version for this game it would be much more similar to how Luca Blight plays.
Maybe I should scumread him after all.

I can get behind this read.

Luca's posts are all very logical but there's something that feels off about it to me. He posts a light suspicion of Dann and then says that Dann is clear town after seeing his first case. Similarly he posts some things concerning him about DP/OoO, but then comes around pretty quickly to both of them being townie. He's not at all worried that a stronger player could have rolled mafia and his posts just feel rather safe.

Echo

[Oatsmaster]

Can people who don’t think roden is mafia iso him and his latest contributions and tell me how any of that comes from town trying to find mafia?

[Roden]

I caught up

I didn't see much of a case on Luca, is it that their posts feel safe?

Pretty much. Being reasonable and having thread adjacent reads but having no skin in the game by challenging anything.

He‘s chamaleontic

I think if this becomes a consistent issue then I can see the case for Luca being scum. But it's still Day 1, if it was Day 2 or 3 and nothing about their play and approach to the game changed then I'd be more willing to vote there.

[Roden]

Can people who don’t think roden is mafia iso him and his latest contributions and tell me how any of that comes from town trying to find mafia?

Do you do anything other than complain

[Roden]

Oats is probably town but a Vig shot there would be delectable

[Oatsmaster]

Can people who don’t think roden is mafia iso him and his latest contributions and tell me how any of that comes from town trying to find mafia?

Do you do anything other than complain

Yeah I yeet scum

[Vivax]

I say we put Luca at L-3 and see if anyone has a change of heart because he could use a bit of spotlight.

Keen on hearing from Dann/DP why their thunderdome should be prioritized over figuring him out.

@ Roden

It is a consistent issue. I vocally townread him early like much of the game which should incentivize him to attempt to gain thread control which he didn’t do.

He broadcoasts his opinions uncaring if they get taken into account.

[Oatsmaster]

“I think player is probably town but if we use a powerful town ability on him, id be happy”
Is surely some statement

[Vivax]

Oats is probably town but a Vig shot there would be delectable

Palatable . Then we make the cevapcici.
But not really, he is redeemable.

[DarthPunk]

This Dann vs DP thing has good odds of just being TvT for the same reason I wanted to have a quarrel with Dann earlier.

What was that reason?

Being antagonistic because someone saw their status challenged.

Dann is supposed to be something like a personal champion of the site I think.

Maybe the fact DP could outshine him in the long term wants him to shut DP down.
It‘s kinda townie, but won‘t be helpful. Every duck measuring contest on TL ended up being tvt.

This rings true to me. I can see this being the case if Dann is town, I can also see the Ego flex lynch attempt if he is mafia.

[Roden]

“I think player is probably town but if we use a powerful town ability on him, id be happy”
Is surely some statement

It speaks to your usefulness

[outoforder]

yes i'd like to hear your own words on it

He is not really having opinions. He's very good at arguing, i give him that. But like the whole thing i accused him of, and his scumread of Roden, im very conflicted still, form that exchange between us i dont really know why he scumreads Roden... It's very weird. It's like he has a reasonable response to everything but when you put all that together it leads to pretty much nothing, if that makes any sense.

[DarthPunk]

I got completely side tracked by whatever it was that dann was trying to do.

Im going to go back and read the thread

[Roden]

Oats you've quite literally done nothing but bitch and moan because I hurt your ego during RVS. Get over it.

[Luca Blight]

yes i'd like to hear your own words on it

He is not really having opinions. He's very good at arguing, i give him that. But like the whole thing i accused him of, and his scumread of Roden, im very conflicted still, form that exchange between us i dont really know why he scumreads Roden... It's very weird. It's like he has a reasonable response to everything but when you put all that together it leads to pretty much nothing, if that makes any sense.

How can you not know why I scumread Roden when I literally explained it to you over several posts?

And if you didn't understand why not ask for further clarification instead of shading me for it days later? I note this is the second time you've done this to me now.

[Hu Tao]

Can people who don’t think roden is mafia iso him and his latest contributions and tell me how any of that comes from town trying to find mafia?

Do you do anything other than complain

[outoforder]

yes i'd like to hear your own words on it

He is not really having opinions. He's very good at arguing, i give him that. But like the whole thing i accused him of, and his scumread of Roden, im very conflicted still, form that exchange between us i dont really know why he scumreads Roden... It's very weird. It's like he has a reasonable response to everything but when you put all that together it leads to pretty much nothing, if that makes any sense.

How can you not know why I scumread Roden when I literally explained it to you over several posts?

And if you didn't understand why not ask for further clarification instead of shading me for it days later? I note this is the second time you've done this to me now.

I know "why" you scumread him, it just doesnt make any sense to me in the context of the thread.
I gave you room to do stuff. You did no much stuff imo.

[Roden]

someone asked me what I think about 562 I think

I think it leans scummy and I wouldn't be surprised if Roden flips scum, but nothing about it like really alarms me.

I reasonably comfortable with Ninja being town so I don't love the vote there. I don't super love the post-hoc explanation about his trajectory on scum reading to town reading me. I am wary of that type of posting being more about wanting to get credit for his Very Real Thought Process rather than just explaining his read.

in short Roden is another wagon I'm probably onboard with

VOTE: roden

I guess this is fine for now in the interests of not pushing a vanity wagon

What changed that made you go from town > null > scum towards me? Nothing major really happened in this time.

[Roden]

Having caught up, I'm starting to town-lean Vivax again based on his recent posts. I just think if he's scum then he's making life unnecessarily difficult for himself.

I have a soft town-lean on Gob, which perhaps I will elaborate on earlier.

Dann and ninja are still clearly town
Outoforder is most probably town too
I think Oats and Darth punk are town, but am less confident
Then comes Gob and Dunn, who are soft Town-leans. Maybe Grackaroni too, but I need to see more.

The only clear scumread I have right now is Roden. The other slots haven't left much of an impression on me yet.

What would be your perspective on the game if you found out you were wrong on me?

[Oatsmaster]

Oats you've quite literally done nothing but bitch and moan because I hurt your ego during RVS. Get over it.

Not really sure what this means when >50% of your posts are talking to me or about me

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: luca

[DarthPunk]

Literally nothing in this case makes me mafia.

I also keep returning to this response to my initial push on DP.

DarthPunk's response isn't to try and figure out whether I'm "bad town" pushing him or mafia pushing him. Instead his initial inclination is to focus on how the case doesn't make him mafia. Again, I don't think a town player's inclination here is to try and debunk the case point by point.

DP spends 568 doing pretty much exactly that

Dann why do you say this now about my response

I can see where DP's distaste for my cases come from. There's a sort of "I know I'm right and you're stupid" tone in his reaction to my push on him that I lean towny. I think scum probably would've been attracted to piece-by-piece dismantling my case instead of outright dismissing it

And you said this about it at the time you had read the same posts. how can you hold both these opinions?

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

yes i'd like to hear your own words on it

He is not really having opinions. He's very good at arguing, i give him that. But like the whole thing i accused him of, and his scumread of Roden, im very conflicted still, form that exchange between us i dont really know why he scumreads Roden... It's very weird. It's like he has a reasonable response to everything but when you put all that together it leads to pretty much nothing, if that makes any sense.

How can you not know why I scumread Roden when I literally explained it to you over several posts?

And if you didn't understand why not ask for further clarification instead of shading me for it days later? I note this is the second time you've done this to me now.

I know "why" you scumread him, it just doesnt make any sense to me in the context of the thread.
I gave you room to do stuff. You did no much stuff imo.

Do you think it's understandable how I've played in the meantime given my reads this game? I scumread Roden (I will review his catch-up in a few hours) and suspect there is scum in the quiet players, but they haven't done enough to scrutinise, and I have reason to believe most of the other players are more likely town. Yes, the chances are I'm probably wrong somewhere in my townreads unless this is just an extraordinarily easy game, but I'm the sort of player who likes to resolve his scumreads before pursuing players who seem more likely to be town.

I'm aware this can be construed as 'safe', but it's where I currently stand on things. The fact there are multiple players already leading the charge and pushing various players I guess also means I don't feel the need to take a leadership role this game.

I'm starting work so will return to this a bit later.

[DarthPunk]

Literally nothing in this case makes me mafia.

I also keep returning to this response to my initial push on DP.

DarthPunk's response isn't to try and figure out whether I'm "bad town" pushing him or mafia pushing him. Instead his initial inclination is to focus on how the case doesn't make him mafia. Again, I don't think a town player's inclination here is to try and debunk the case point by point.

DP spends 568 doing pretty much exactly that

Dann why do you say this now about my response

I can see where DP's distaste for my cases come from. There's a sort of "I know I'm right and you're stupid" tone in his reaction to my push on him that I lean towny. I think scum probably would've been attracted to piece-by-piece dismantling my case instead of outright dismissing it

And you said this about it at the time you had read the same posts. how can you hold both these opinions?

This is -literally- a completely opposite interpretation of the response.

[Oatsmaster]

Ready for dann unvote any second now