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[Gypyx]

i really don't get why luca is hellbent on calling psyche townie

[Luca Blight]

I get gypyx's energy seems townie, I thought so too, but psyche in my opinion has been townier without pushing agendas or manipulating anything.

He's really not been

Well, if you're town then please be open-minded, that's all I ask.

[Gypyx]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

I think it has to be this or psyche / black / ower

There is no other possible teams imo

i'm so pissed regardless

idk this game is just looking completely fucked regardless there's a point in the town with a huge divide and people aren't gonna stop disagreeing all of a sudden

I'm going to give it all I've got. I want to win (:

yeah i'm doing that too but i'm running out of energy and this game just gets more stupid

[Luca Blight]

I'm also willing to consider gypyx as town, although it seems virtually impossible from my perspective now, but you will note I still haven't voted just in case.

[ketchup777]

Did our best to keep it lowkey so that we could survive with the entire masonry intact after you go out

You don't know that you'll survive the night, though

[ketchup777]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

I think it has to be this or psyche / black / ower

There is no other possible teams imo

i'm so pissed regardless

idk this game is just looking completely fucked regardless there's a point in the town with a huge divide and people aren't gonna stop disagreeing all of a sudden

I'm going to give it all I've got. I want to win (:

yeah i'm doing that too but i'm running out of energy and this game just gets more stupid

On the contrary, it keeps getting more and more exciting. remember when this was at a static like a week ago? dam this is so much more fun

[Luca Blight]

Did our best to keep it lowkey so that we could survive with the entire masonry intact after you go out

You don't know that you'll survive the night, though

The reason we held back the claim was so that we could survive the night and announce it tomorrow, but people were getting trigger-happy with votes and misled by an incomplete picture of the role claims, so I thought it was in the best interest to claim now.

That's why I asked you questions like whether your psyche scumread was influenced by the setup.

[JacksonVirgo]

Did our best to keep it lowkey so that we could survive with the entire masonry intact after you go out

You don't know that you'll survive the night, though

Sure, but that doesn't mean I can't try. Claiming without reason is suboptimal, keeping information away from mafia where possible is beneficial as they hold the advantage with information inherently

[Gypyx]

at least you're enjoying yourself

[Psyche]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

It's actually starting to piss me off

because you're being caught for the wrong reasons? whoever alerted me to that, was it Dann? it seems to be a case in point here

i was starting to type a lecture about forming reads based on mindset and counterfactuals but how obnoxious would it be to do all that w/o having shared any good reads to speak of this entire game

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

Seems like Pysche was using this same logic, but you called them out for it?

I'm not scumreading psyche for the fact he has reads early doors, but for the tone of his posts, as I did my best to explain.

Fair enough. Maybe better to say I liked Luca's reasoning. A lot of people had put votes down on Bug without explaining really so I wanted something a little more formal. Post 26 felt good when I read the ISO on him.

Didn't you refer to my post 26 as 'mindless' before? What's changed?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Did I really? If so my bad. That post was mostly aimed at not the first phase stuff so sorry if it seemed like I was on you. I just wanted something more though out then “you voted me so f you” mentality.

Sorry if I’m not convincing you of my township, why poke at me though? You’ve been out against everyone in the game practically

D1 essentially is about poking around in the dark to try and make sense of what's going on, from a town perspective. I feel like you're deflecting a bit with that last sentence. Do you think

'being out against everyone'

is scummy, or are you just finding my playing style frustrating?

Also, again, can I get your general thoughts on the game? I feel like you've only spoken about a few players in this game so far (namely Bugs, Ketchup and myself.)

you sure went after your mason partner a lot

Yes, I tried to distance so neither of us would be night killed, and if one of us was then scum wouldn't guess who the other mason was.

That's the reason I crumbed like I did - so that we could otherwise distance. As I said, jacob even asked me to put some heat on him so he wouldn't be night-killed.

That's why today I said I thought Jackson was bussing gypyx - so that if we didn't claim then tomorrow we might both still be alive.

Ok that makes some sense, but if you were killed and we found your crumbs we'd probably be able to put it together. And with all the great analysis you were putting out, your death was not off the cards, no?

[ketchup777]

at least you're enjoying yourself

it's time for you to go parading through the french streets with a strawberry crepe
come back soon tho bestie

[Gypyx]

Did our best to keep it lowkey so that we could survive with the entire masonry intact after you go out

You don't know that you'll survive the night, though

The reason we held back the claim was so that we could survive the night and announce it tomorrow, but people were getting trigger-happy with votes and misled by an incomplete picture of the role claims, so I thought it was in the best interest to claim now.

That's why I asked you questions like whether your psyche scumread was influenced by the setup.

*deliberately hides half of town's power*

oh wow massclaim is going badly i wonder if we should intervene

[Gypyx]

at least you're enjoying yourself

it's time for you to go parading through the french streets with a strawberry crepe
come back soon tho bestie

while i appreciate the offer it's a thunderstorm outside

[ketchup777]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

It's actually starting to piss me off

because you're being caught for the wrong reasons? whoever alerted me to that, was it Dann? it seems to be a case in point here

i was starting to type a lecture about forming reads based on mindset and counterfactuals but how obnoxious would it be to do all that w/o having shared any good reads to speak of this entire game

I was accusing Jackson here, not you

[ketchup777]

Did our best to keep it lowkey so that we could survive with the entire masonry intact after you go out

You don't know that you'll survive the night, though

The reason we held back the claim was so that we could survive the night and announce it tomorrow, but people were getting trigger-happy with votes and misled by an incomplete picture of the role claims, so I thought it was in the best interest to claim now.

That's why I asked you questions like whether your psyche scumread was influenced by the setup.

*deliberately hides half of town's power*

oh wow massclaim is going badly i wonder if we should intervene

hahaha

[ketchup777]

at least you're enjoying yourself

it's time for you to go parading through the french streets with a strawberry crepe
come back soon tho bestie

while i appreciate the offer it's a thunderstorm outside

ah. try again tomorrow

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

Seems like Pysche was using this same logic, but you called them out for it?

I'm not scumreading psyche for the fact he has reads early doors, but for the tone of his posts, as I did my best to explain.

Fair enough. Maybe better to say I liked Luca's reasoning. A lot of people had put votes down on Bug without explaining really so I wanted something a little more formal. Post 26 felt good when I read the ISO on him.

Didn't you refer to my post 26 as 'mindless' before? What's changed?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Did I really? If so my bad. That post was mostly aimed at not the first phase stuff so sorry if it seemed like I was on you. I just wanted something more though out then “you voted me so f you” mentality.

Sorry if I’m not convincing you of my township, why poke at me though? You’ve been out against everyone in the game practically

D1 essentially is about poking around in the dark to try and make sense of what's going on, from a town perspective. I feel like you're deflecting a bit with that last sentence. Do you think

'being out against everyone'

is scummy, or are you just finding my playing style frustrating?

Also, again, can I get your general thoughts on the game? I feel like you've only spoken about a few players in this game so far (namely Bugs, Ketchup and myself.)

you sure went after your mason partner a lot

Yes, I tried to distance so neither of us would be night killed, and if one of us was then scum wouldn't guess who the other mason was.

That's the reason I crumbed like I did - so that we could otherwise distance. As I said, jacob even asked me to put some heat on him so he wouldn't be night-killed.

That's why today I said I thought Jackson was bussing gypyx - so that if we didn't claim then tomorrow we might both still be alive.

Ok that makes some sense, but if you were killed and we found your crumbs we'd probably be able to put it together. And with all the great analysis you were putting out, your death was not off the cards, no?

I don't think my crumbs were that easy to find if you didn't know what to look for, especially in relation to who my fellow mason was.

My death was indeed never off the cards, which, again, is why I tried to make out like I suspected Jacob/Jackson so that scum would think I'm on the wrong track and be less likely to kill me. I did expect to die N1 despite being wrong on Bugs.

[ketchup777]

at least you're enjoying yourself

it's time for you to go parading through the french streets with a strawberry crepe
come back soon tho bestie

while i appreciate the offer it's a thunderstorm outside

ah. try again tomorrow

omg guys look at the first letters of my post this is actually an AT-AT walker claim, if any mafia lie to me I will shoot you down

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

Seems like Pysche was using this same logic, but you called them out for it?

I'm not scumreading psyche for the fact he has reads early doors, but for the tone of his posts, as I did my best to explain.

Fair enough. Maybe better to say I liked Luca's reasoning. A lot of people had put votes down on Bug without explaining really so I wanted something a little more formal. Post 26 felt good when I read the ISO on him.

Didn't you refer to my post 26 as 'mindless' before? What's changed?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Did I really? If so my bad. That post was mostly aimed at not the first phase stuff so sorry if it seemed like I was on you. I just wanted something more though out then “you voted me so f you” mentality.

Sorry if I’m not convincing you of my township, why poke at me though? You’ve been out against everyone in the game practically

D1 essentially is about poking around in the dark to try and make sense of what's going on, from a town perspective. I feel like you're deflecting a bit with that last sentence. Do you think

'being out against everyone'

is scummy, or are you just finding my playing style frustrating?

Also, again, can I get your general thoughts on the game? I feel like you've only spoken about a few players in this game so far (namely Bugs, Ketchup and myself.)

you sure went after your mason partner a lot

Yes, I tried to distance so neither of us would be night killed, and if one of us was then scum wouldn't guess who the other mason was.

That's the reason I crumbed like I did - so that we could otherwise distance. As I said, jacob even asked me to put some heat on him so he wouldn't be night-killed.

That's why today I said I thought Jackson was bussing gypyx - so that if we didn't claim then tomorrow we might both still be alive.

Ok that makes some sense, but if you were killed and we found your crumbs we'd probably be able to put it together. And with all the great analysis you were putting out, your death was not off the cards, no?

I don't think my crumbs were that easy to find if you didn't know what to look for, especially in relation to who my fellow mason was.

My death was indeed never off the cards, which, again, is why I tried to make out like I suspected Jacob/Jackson so that scum would think I'm on the wrong track and be less likely to kill me. I did expect to die N1 despite being wrong on Bugs.

okok. new line of argument incoming. prepare your sword

[Psyche]

I get gypyx's energy seems townie, I thought so too, but psyche in my opinion has been townier without pushing agendas or manipulating anything.

this is great but also wild to me. ive been literal trash this whole game except for one decision i can't prove happened. ive been gloating but this is going to be really close at best and it's all my fault

[Hu Tao]

I get gypyx's energy seems townie, I thought so too, but psyche in my opinion has been townier without pushing agendas or manipulating anything.

He's really not been

Well, if you're town then please be open-minded, that's all I ask.

Says the masons pushing to eliminate gypyx asap

[Psyche]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

It's actually starting to piss me off

because you're being caught for the wrong reasons? whoever alerted me to that, was it Dann? it seems to be a case in point here

i was starting to type a lecture about forming reads based on mindset and counterfactuals but how obnoxious would it be to do all that w/o having shared any good reads to speak of this entire game

I was accusing Jackson here, not you

yess but it's bad reads all the way down

[ketchup777]

Jackson, Luca, one of you. What were the last things Jacob said in the mason thread before he replaced out?

[Hu Tao]

I'm not gonna be around much this weekend and this game is moving at an extremely fast pace so I'm bound to get behind

Why are you voting gypyx