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[ketchup777]

Ketchup, I get the impression that you're getting sucked into thinking gypyx is town based on her determination and activity. Am I right?

I certainly thought so yesterday. Today I am willing to be more open-minded

[Luca Blight]

Ketchup, I get the impression that you're getting sucked into thinking gypyx is town based on her determination and activity. Am I right?

Luca, do you agree about my comment around killing outside of me/psyche

do you also not think my determination is not not town!indicative?

I think it's town-indicative, even though I don't think you're town. That's the danger here, I fear.

I've only just noticed the post in question, so I will consider it now.

sorry i don't really get it, "what" is the danger?

The danger of Ketchup believing in you, because in many ways you are quite believable. I just feel deep in my soul that psyche is telling the truth, and I don't get the same feeling from you at all. You are surface-level townie, I'll give you that.

[Luca Blight]

Ketchup, I get the impression that you're getting sucked into thinking gypyx is town based on her determination and activity. Am I right?

I certainly thought so yesterday. Today I am willing to be more open-minded

Ok, glad to hear it.

It really reminds me of my best scum game where I was super motivated and active in ELO, and a player named Elements, who was town and telling the truth, was quite resigned just like psyche, because they knew they couldn't compete with me in that form.

Psyche's posts ring with honesty, while gypyx really feels as though she has been pushing an agenda for the most part.

[ketchup777]

Luca, if you trust me here, the teams quoted in rainbow in 3012 are the only possible teams, if you could offer some time up to help me it would be much appreciated. I am more interested in eliminating them one by one rather than jumping immediately to the solve, until we get to a point where one person appears in all the likeliest teams

[ketchup777]

Ketchup, I get the impression that you're getting sucked into thinking gypyx is town based on her determination and activity. Am I right?

I certainly thought so yesterday. Today I am willing to be more open-minded

Ok, glad to hear it.

It really reminds me of my best scum game where I was super motivated and active in ELO, and a player named Elements, who was town and telling the truth, was quite resigned just like psyche, because they knew they couldn't compete with me in that form.

Psyche's posts ring with honesty, while gypyx really feels as though she has been pushing an agenda for the most part.

Hmm okey

[ketchup777]

Have you ever been a mason before?

[Luca Blight]

Have you ever been a mason before?

At least once that I remember clearly but probably twice before.

Yes, I will set aside some time to analyse the situation.

[Gypyx]

I hope you understeand that it will be extremely frustrating if we lose the game cause you're feeling it "deep in your soul"

i just don't think i'm able to do even HALF of the townspew i've done here if i were scum, i'm like, throwing my guts out and shoving them in your face because to reiterate my point, i *need* to do that, i'm at the edge of things

[ketchup777]

I don’t know enough to complete setup analysis on 3012

pedit: thank you Luca

[Gypyx]

Ketchup, I get the impression that you're getting sucked into thinking gypyx is town based on her determination and activity. Am I right?

I certainly thought so yesterday. Today I am willing to be more open-minded

Ok, glad to hear it.

It really reminds me of my best scum game where I was super motivated and active in ELO, and a player named Elements, who was town and telling the truth, was quite resigned just like psyche, because they knew they couldn't compete with me in that form.

Psyche's posts ring with honesty, while gypyx really feels as though she has been pushing an agenda for the most part.

i hope you understeand just how frustrated you're making me right now

[Luca Blight]

I understand that if you're actually town then you must be fuming, as I would be in your situation.

If you're scum then probably the same, as you should win the 1v1 vs psyche based on effort and activity.

[Gypyx]

and why can't psyche be scum resigned cause they know they can't compete with me? Reminding you that me playing so hard today is a complete shift in my personality, scum certainely couldn't have predicted that, if anything, my playstyle since i came back to MS would be more indicative that i'd actually flip out in the other direction and kinda just give up

[Gypyx]

I understand that if you're actually town then you must be fuming, as I would be in your situation.

If you're scum then probably the same, as you should win the 1v1 vs psyche based on effort and activity.

i think it's indicative of my towniness but i'm willing to give you a pass on that

i think reading me as playing like i have an agenda is kinda dumb cause yeah i have one? Killing the scumteam, i know who they are and ergo i can bypass the traditional solving process

obviously the mason stuff really messed up my view of the game both before and during but now that i'm back on two feet i'm again in the position where i know who the scumteam is and trying to get them out, this is an agenda yes

[Luca Blight]

I believe psyche when he said he knew he couldn't compete with you, and that the moment of his claim was going to be his highlight. I just believe him, for his progression and the tone of his posts.

I won't go on as I don't want to frustrate you further, but I promise I will give it some careful consideration, as well regarding your wish to eliminate outworld today.

[Gypyx]

kinda wanna put my head in a hydraulic press but i think that's the best i could've gotten, thanks for hearing me out

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

2. Gypyx / Luca / Jackson

3. Gypyx / Psyche / Black

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

6. Luca / Jackson / Psyche

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Setup stuff:

bear in mind mafia power is unknown. below setups are based on the assumption there are no outstanding town claims that are fake / hiding a PR

1. Odd-night vig, 1- shot watcher, 2 Masons

2. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

4. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

5. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

6. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

7. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

I must now seek out the wonders of sleep and bedtime. Will do my own analysis on stuff in the morning, but please, anyone, talk about this stuff.

Am I correct that 3 and 5 seem like too much town power?

[Gypyx]

Yeah you're correct they are both triple confirmed townies setups + the potential to get guilties / more innos

to compare things, 3 masons vs 3 goons is considered balanced generally

[ketchup777]

VOTE: OutWorldEr

the walls are closing in my friend

It seems the likeliest scumteams are 1, 4 and 7

[Gypyx]

not voting yet but cheering on you ketchup

[ketchup777]

Yeah you're correct they are both triple confirmed townies setups + the potential to get guilties / more innos

to compare things, 3 masons vs 3 goons is considered balanced generally

Thank you

[ketchup777]

not voting yet but cheering on you ketchup

((:
Yeah probably best to wait just in case I’m wrong and we get blitzhammered by Luca / Jackson / Psyche

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Jacob

I'm not really vibing with his reasons for joining the bug wagon. He said he wants to sheep Luca but Luca hasn't even voted there yet.

It almost feels like he wanted to hop on before Luca because he knew Luca would likely join.

Feels a little opportunistic

lol he sure did

[Gypyx]

would never have expected to say that yesterday but i can't wait for jackson to be back

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: OutWorldEr

the walls are closing in my friend

It seems the likeliest scumteams are 1, 4 and 7

Remove your vote

[JacksonVirgo]

anyways i think i wanna kill outworld today as it's probably something me and jackson can both compromise on

Why Outworld?