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[Gypyx]

a lot of the reason for why i got so tunneled on you in the first place is cause a lot of the reasoning you were using to interact with me just wasn't fitting with my expectation of Vt!jackson, looking back it makes way more sense with mason!jackson

Can you elaborate on this thought?

You want it when i'm pissed off or later?

[JacksonVirgo]

Whenever you can

[ketchup777]

You've made assumptions that I'm not comfortable deciding the game based on

Which assumptions?

I’m assuming you two are masons, but that shouldn’t be a problem for you.
I’m assuming that those two setups are too overpowered, yes, if you think I’m wrong please tell me.
The only assumption that might be eh for you is me being townie. Please, I need you to believe me. I’m VT.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can you remove your vote in the interim, I'll be back soon

[Gypyx]

basically the way you kept insisting for me to consider worlds that i didn't view as possible at the time ("if i was confirmed town what would your solve be")

how your view of the poe / mechanics as we knew it were completely fucked up

and like, the general self righteousness as you were being scumred

i'm sorry i'm just baffled at how you belive that a FULL NEAPOLITAN can exist with both an odd night vig and a mason pair

[ketchup777]

If Gypyx is town, Black has to be wolf alongside Psyche. That's the reason to vote there specifically, the outworld feels incredibly out of place to vote today. Especially paired with the fact it's already uncomfortable to even imagine a world where we don't flip Gypyx today. I am increasingly getting uncomfortable with the fact that the masonry

will

get picked off and thus it's exponentially more likely that mafia just wins because you and Hu Tao are both town-reading Gypyx to a degree that I feel will lose us the game when we lose our (the masonry) voice.

I agree it felt out-of-place to me too, I was never close to considering an OutWorld vote even 1 day ago. But I've found every possible scumteam (when I'm town) and then found the likeliest 3 scumteams all contain OutWorld. Even if I might have the least to go on on OutWorld individually, come on. It adds up

[ketchup777]

Can you remove your vote in the interim, I'll be back soon

ok, but please don't brush aside my logic too quickly. I think it's good logic.

UNVOTE: OutWorldEr

[Gypyx]

this game is not good for my mental health

[ketchup777]

You've made assumptions that I'm not comfortable deciding the game based on

Which assumptions?

I’m assuming you two are masons, but that shouldn’t be a problem for you.
I’m assuming that those two setups are too overpowered, yes, if you think I’m wrong please tell me.
The only assumption that might be eh for you is me being townie. Please, I need you to believe me. I’m VT.

Actually, you don’t even need to think I’m town at this stage. If I’m scum, OutWorld is also scum for his VT neapolitan reading of me. Then it has to be on of Gypyx/Psyche because of the red check, so the only possible scum teams with me in are:

Ketchup / OutWorld / Gypyx
Ketchup / Outworld / Psyche

The second one is not even possible, because we could have hammered Gypyx when she was at E-2. So the only 'possible' scum team with me in is specifically

Ketchup / OutWorld / Gypyx. Outworks and Gypyx have to town read me, then. But you don’t! If I’m scum, Outworld is still scum. Come to the light! please (:

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

2. Gypyx / Luca / Jackson

3. Gypyx / Psyche / Black

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

6. Luca / Jackson / Psyche

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Setup stuff:

bear in mind mafia power is unknown. below setups are based on the assumption there are no outstanding town claims that are fake / hiding a PR

1. Odd-night vig, 1- shot watcher, 2 Masons

2. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

4. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

5. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

6. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

7. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

I must now seek out the wonders of sleep and bedtime. Will do my own analysis on stuff in the morning, but please, anyone, talk about this stuff.

Jackson, Luca. If you are masons, the only possible case where OutWorld is not scum is case 3.

Gypyx / Psyche / Black

I guess it comes down to the following:

Do you think Odd-night vig, Odd-night Jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons is a balanced setup? I'm new to this but even to me it doesn't seem balanced.

[ketchup777]

Everyone should supply their suggested solve, mine is { Gypyx, Black, Outworld }

Outworld is even in your proposed solve. Tell me what the cons are of voting out what seems to be the most likely mafia by far. By voting outside the 1v1, we still have excellent chances at finding another one next time, especially if Hu Tao is town and gets a lucky jailkeep

[ketchup777]

I'm off for a walk for a bit, Jackson and Luca please read through my developing logic in my recent ISO. Not to be arrogant but I think it's pretty awesome

[Black]

Well there's 25 new pages since I last checked. Not going to be able to read them today

Why are we voting outside the 1v1? Either Psyche or Gypyx have to be scum, if not both

[Gypyx]

Well there's 25 new pages since I last checked. Not going to be able to read them today

Why are we voting outside the 1v1? Either Psyche or Gypyx have to be scum, if not both

Ketchup came fowards with some analysis and outworld is basically scum in every single world

killing outside of the 1v1 is also gonna be required cause right now town's straight up divided

[JacksonVirgo]

Well there's 25 new pages since I last checked. Not going to be able to read them today

Why are we voting outside the 1v1? Either Psyche or Gypyx have to be scum, if not both

Town dissonance is being a pain in the ass in regards to being able to flip one or the other

[Black]

I haven't seen the analysis but I don't think it makes any sense to risk misfading OWER when there's guaranteed scum in Gypyx/Psyche

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven't seen the analysis but I don't think it makes any sense to risk misfading OWER when there's guaranteed scum in Gypyx/Psyche

I agree, I want to resolve the direct 1v1 but ketchup and I are at opposing views about Gypyx and as we're both Town, and we need all 5 votes of Town to push a vote through without a wolves vote being on the wagon, that's dangerous

[Gypyx]

wish i could shoot myself like right now (in game)

[JacksonVirgo]

Not just ketchup, hu tao as well.

The split is approximately { ketchup, hu tao, gypyx } + { black, psyche, mel, luca } and then outworld as like a middleman that has seeded themselves into both sides.

[Black]

Well there's 25 new pages since I last checked. Not going to be able to read them today

Why are we voting outside the 1v1? Either Psyche or Gypyx have to be scum, if not both

Town dissonance is being a pain in the ass in regards to being able to flip one or the other

Neither wagon has enough support? I'm willing to vote Psyche if needed

[JacksonVirgo]

I refuse to vote psyche

[Gypyx]

woah that's fucking crazy, i wonder why all the scummy people are siding with you jackson

got any idea?

[JacksonVirgo]

woah that's fucking crazy, i wonder why all the scummy people are siding with you jackson

got any idea?

All the scummy people? You mean luca, myself and my two stronger town-reads throughout the game?

[Gypyx]

woah that's fucking crazy, i wonder why all the scummy people are siding with you jackson

got any idea?

All the scummy people? You mean luca, myself and my two stronger town-reads throughout the game?

yeah

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm even willing to compromise that i was wrong on one of my town-reads, don't say shit like that. You're picking a fight with me