Mini Normal 2325 | Game Over

[ketchup777]

I refuse to believe you've never been super confident about a read before and got it wrong Jackson. Admit you can make mistakes pleaseeeeeeeeeee

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

and then there were 4. (5 for people who can't trust me).

Case 1: Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

We vote OutWorld out, and there is no jailkeeper after all. Hu Tao has to fake-claim a jailkeep on the wrong person. Alternative: scum no kill and Hu Tao pretends she did a successful jailkeep. Alert! watch out for this in the future. However though this gambit is a thing, it still leaves us well-placed at a 5v2.

Case 2: Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

Outworld flips scum. Hu Tao chances a jailkeep. If it succeeds, or scum no kill, our advantage grows. If someone dies, we can truly focus on the 1v1 of Gyp/Psyche.



If she is successful, we buy another day and have 5 vs 2.

Case 3: Gypyx / Black / Outworld

Outworld flips scum. Black will be put in a tricky spot, may well try to find a way out of bussing Gypyx, exposing herself in the process.

Case 4: Psyche / Black / Outworld

(the danger case of voting Gypyx).[/color]

We get more time to nail the 1v1. win

[ketchup777]

that was not quoting post 3012 that was a new post. not my best post. i struggled, i've decided to do a votecount analysis on Psyche / Black / Outworld

[ketchup777]

no I need to go sleep

[JacksonVirgo]

I refuse to believe you've never been super confident about a read before and got it wrong Jackson. Admit you can make mistakes pleaseeeeeeeeeee

Never said I couldn't

[ketchup777]

I refuse to believe you've never been super confident about a read before and got it wrong Jackson. Admit you can make mistakes pleaseeeeeeeeeee

Never said I couldn't

mmmm sleep on it
I’m going to sleep

[ketchup777]

Final thought: If it is Psyche / Black / Outworld , they’ve literally just had to sit back and relax while we destroy each other. painful af

[Psyche]

i should be trying harder to understand what ketchup is on about

[Hu Tao]

Final thought: If it is Psyche / Black / Outworld , they’ve literally just had to sit back and relax while we destroy each other. painful af

That's why psyche is the best vote

[Gypyx]

really hoping jackson is discussing me in the masonry or something

[Gypyx]

LITTERALLY IF ANYONE MANAGES TO MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF 1-SHOT WATCHER BEING A CONSISTENT ROLE I *WILL* SELF VOTE

btw the offer still stands

[Luca Blight]

I'm going to re-read Psyche again to either reaffirm or reconsider my read there, I think that's the best thing I can do right now.

[Luca Blight]

LITTERALLY IF ANYONE MANAGES TO MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF 1-SHOT WATCHER BEING A CONSISTENT ROLE I *WILL* SELF VOTE

btw the offer still stands

other games have had one-shot watchers, so why wouldn't it be a possible role?

[Thomith]

Votecount 3.14

Votecount 3.14

Gypyx (3):

Psyche, Black, JacksonVirgo

E-2

Psyche (2):

Gypyx, Hu Tao

OutWorldER (2):

ketchup777, Luca Blight

Not Voting (1):

OutWorldER

With 8 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution, and 4 to secure a no execution.

Day Three ends in (expired on 2024-02-19 03:52:11)

Mod Notes

Combined Mod ISO is Here
OutWorldER is V/La until further notice, but at least until Monday

[Gypyx]

LITTERALLY IF ANYONE MANAGES TO MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF 1-SHOT WATCHER BEING A CONSISTENT ROLE I *WILL* SELF VOTE

btw the offer still stands

other games have had one-shot watchers, so why wouldn't it be a possible role?

i think i'm not really making myself understood

my point is that it's already a lot of swing on it's own, and even more when paired with a vig

besides i personally don't recall seeing any setup with this so that's certainely impacting my reads

actually hold on i'm searching the normal archives

[Luca Blight]

Mini Normal 2193: Setup:
Vanilla Townie x5, Town Neighborizer, Town Friendly Neighbor, Town 1-shot Vigilante, Town 2-shot Watcher vs Mafia Goon, Mafia Informed (this game has a Watcher), Mafia Tracker

[Gypyx]

Mini 2149 indeed had a town 1-shot watcher with + vig + odd night gunsmith + doctor, which yes i have to admit this looks somewhat similar to our setup, scum had a N3 jailkeeper and a Full watcher to compensate so it is my full expectation that the watcher was *supposed* to look scummy here

Mini 2137 had a 1-shot Watcher 1-shot Bulletproof which i'm counting as similar enough
the setup was : Vanilla Townie x5, Town 1-shot Observer x2, Town 1-shot Weak Follower, Town 1-shot Bulletproof 1-shot Watcher, Town Jailkeeper vs Mafia Goon x2, Mafia 1-shot Observer

and that's it

in the whole 2300 normal mafia games

[Gypyx]

Mini Normal 2193: Setup:
Vanilla Townie x5, Town Neighborizer, Town Friendly Neighbor, Town 1-shot Vigilante, Town 2-shot Watcher vs Mafia Goon, Mafia Informed (this game has a Watcher), Mafia Tracker

2 shot is miles different from 1-shot, like, that's DOUBLE the power

[Gypyx]

i'm litterally gonna search through the game review archives if that's what it takes

[Luca Blight]

Mini Normal 2193: Setup:
Vanilla Townie x5, Town Neighborizer, Town Friendly Neighbor, Town 1-shot Vigilante, Town 2-shot Watcher vs Mafia Goon, Mafia Informed (this game has a Watcher), Mafia Tracker

2 shot is miles different from 1-shot, like, that's DOUBLE the power

So it could be argued, then, that's it's too strong, as it's very likely to catch scum who kill the conf-town vig.

I don't like basing things so heavily on setup spec, as it doesn't tend to end well. We've now established that it's not an impossibility that Psyche could be a Watcher. End of discussion.

[Gypyx]

it's not been published

/tableflip

[Gypyx]

Mini Normal 2193: Setup:
Vanilla Townie x5, Town Neighborizer, Town Friendly Neighbor, Town 1-shot Vigilante, Town 2-shot Watcher vs Mafia Goon, Mafia Informed (this game has a Watcher), Mafia Tracker

2 shot is miles different from 1-shot, like, that's DOUBLE the power

So it could be argued, then, that's it's too strong, as it's very likely to catch scum who kill the conf-town vig.

I don't like basing things so heavily on setup spec, as it doesn't tend to end well. We've now established that it's not an impossibility that Psyche could be a Watcher. End of discussion.

yeah ok that's fair i guess

[Gypyx]

i really should stop typing i think

[Gypyx]

btw a world like me / psyche / black isn't possible anymore since we would just hammer outworld

i think ketchup already went over it? idk

[Gypyx]

i am ordering every living player to come in this thread and help me fullfil my mafia addiction