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[DarthPunk]

Maybe I should stick to Luca despite the Dannflor kill. It just seems like an unlikely pick for Luca if he's mafia here. Dannflor wasn't really threatening to anyone in particular. Maybe the Ninja townread gave him away?

Luca was pretty much tunneled on Oats, who flipped town. And this is probably the worst post in his ISO:

I'll let oats hammer and claim that precious towncred. He's gonna need it.

I am basically assuming Dann was a blue snipe or a respect kill from someone who is familiar with him. He is apparently a very strong player on this site.

Made me think of you tbh.

That comment by gob with his little birdies chirping about your capabilities still nags at the back of my head.
You can brag in here, not in scum chat, don't be a stranger.

Unless you're town ig

That was blatant setting me/someone from TL up when he flipped imo. Its one of the things that set my alarm bells off at the time.

[DarthPunk]

Really weird push by you Vivax TBH.

[Vivax]

2.13

Oatsmaster (5) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys

[Exe-1]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.

I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.

I'm still undecided, anyway. More reading, less writing.

[DarthPunk]

2.13

Oatsmaster (5) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys

[Exe-1]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.

I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.

I'm still undecided, anyway. More reading, less writing.

Do you think Nearys could fake not knowing who the NK was when if she was scum she would 100 percent know?

That is really hard for me to get past.

[Vivax]

2.13

Oatsmaster (5) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys

[Exe-1]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.

I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.

I'm still undecided, anyway. More reading, less writing.

Do you think Nearys could fake not knowing who the NK was when if she was scum she would 100 percent know?

That is really hard for me to get past.

Do you mean the Roden JK dumbtell? Or another one?

[DarthPunk]

2.13

Oatsmaster (5) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys

[Exe-1]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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So vivax, in your HT and DP scum team world, you think that only mafia are on gob here and only town yeeted Oats?

That seems really unlikely no?

[DarthPunk]

2.13

Oatsmaster (5) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys

[Exe-1]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

.

And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.

I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.

I'm still undecided, anyway. More reading, less writing.

Do you think Nearys could fake not knowing who the NK was when if she was scum she would 100 percent know?

That is really hard for me to get past.

Do you mean the Roden JK dumbtell? Or another one?

Yes.

[DarthPunk]

Grack and Luca haven't had the chance to post in over 4 days. interested in their positions right now.

[Vivax]

2.13

Oatsmaster (5) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys

[Exe-1]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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So vivax, in your HT and DP scum team world, you think that only mafia are on gob here and only town yeeted Oats?

That seems really unlikely no?

I'd say that's unpredictable. Neither likely nor unlikely. What I do think unlikely is that me, Oats and Ninja had one scum when we were off wagon during gob vs you and gob vs Oats.

Like in that wagon analysis that I posted to say that me and Oats could never be scum together like Luca was claiming.
Luca was claiming that I didn't want either and Oats wanted gob, but somehow me and Oats were partnered.

It only doesn't make sense when I'm not town. But it made sense to me because I am.

[DarthPunk]

2.13

Oatsmaster (5) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys

[Exe-1]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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So vivax, in your HT and DP scum team world, you think that only mafia are on gob here and only town yeeted Oats?

That seems really unlikely no?

I'd say that's unpredictable. Neither likely nor unlikely. What I do think unlikely is that me, Oats and Ninja had one scum when we were off wagon during gob vs you and gob vs Oats.

Like in that wagon analysis that I posted to say that me and Oats could never be scum together like Luca was claiming.
Luca was claiming that I didn't want either and Oats wanted gob, but somehow me and Oats were partnered.

It only doesn't make sense when I'm not town. But it made sense to me because I am.

I don't follow, can you link the posts?

[SuperfluousNinja]

Basically I want to lim HT right now.

Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?

I don't think that was alignment indicative.

Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?

[DarthPunk]

Basically I want to lim HT right now.

Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?

I don't think that was alignment indicative.

Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?

It's easy to take a position on the game that is 'correct' as both alignments.

Ergo, it is likely HT would say something like that if she believed it to be true as either alignment.

Therfore, it's not alignment indicative.

[SuperfluousNinja]

The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.

How? Walk me through this.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.

It's really going to bolster my reputation.

That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.

Hu Tao and ???

Is this a sort by postcount, become mafia pro game?

I have Nearys and Ninja as lock town. I think HT/Luca, HT/Grack, HT/Vivax all make sense in some way.

What about Grack / Vivax?

[SuperfluousNinja]

Hey Vivax, since you are showing some new enthusiasm for talking about why people got killed...

WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHY OUTOFORDER WAS KILLED?

Because I sure would!

[Vivax]

2.6

DarthPunk (4) :

Grackaroni / Luca Blight / Hu Tao / gob

[Exe-2]

Gob (4) :

Naerys / outoforder / DarthPunk / Dannflor

[Exe-2]

Luca Blight (2) :

oatsmaster / Vivax

Oatsmaster (1) :

SuperfluousNinja

Not Voting (0):

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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This VC lol

Both DP and gob should be able to extract lots of info from this

Like that Oats + me + ninja can hardly be teamed here.

And also that 1 between DP and gob is likely mafia.

Oats just made a post that suggested he could‘ve made Gob -1.

Then Dannflor voted him taking away from that opportunity.

Lots lf thoughts to be had.

I think if gob is mafia that switch by Dann looks awful here.
Dann, Grack, gob with Dann instead of Luca? Is that it?

Thinking Oats is mafia is a bit silly in this wagon formation unless he's exactly teamed with DP

Ergo Dannflor is mafia, cause he ignores that, votes Oats, but still should rather vote DP if he was town adhering to his stated beliefs.
The gob vote was a distancing attempt.

Do you think dann could fake the introspection and adjustment to his approach with the TL players this game?

I found that really townie to be honest.

I don't know about that but he should form the two following thoughts:

Are these wagons town on town?
He voted gob previously so clearly he doesn't think that.

If he thought gob was mafia, why vote Oats who was just coming around to vote gob (unless he assumed that was a setup for a bus)?

If Oats isn't bussing he can only be partnered with you, so if he thinks gob is the mafia being wagoned, how can he ever suspect Oats for prepping a vote on him?

I don't get this way of looking at the game at all. You can hold two separate scumreads on the two main wagons and change your mind based on subsequent posts. I don't get your point about oats only being able to be partnered with Darth, either. You seem to be operating from the perspective than Gob is definitely scum, even though you townread him not too long ago?

I operated from both perspectives as evidenced by me also trying to take gob's perspective on who he should scumread if he was analyzing both wagons knowing he was town and believing that DP was mafia.

What is so hard to understand ?
If me and Oats and Superfluousninja had at least two mafia we would both be working to hammer the town of the two wagons instead of delaying.

Then you show up and randomly say me and Oats can be mafia together because you haven't put a shred of decent analysis into the wagon formation. That's another reason for me to be unable to townread you.

Thinking Oats is mafia is a bit silly in this wagon formation unless he's exactly teamed with DP

Ergo Dannflor is mafia, cause he ignores that, votes Oats, but still should rather vote DP if he was town adhering to his stated beliefs.
The gob vote was a distancing attempt.

Or maybe Vivax is scum with oats.

None of the above analysis makes sense to me, especially the last part when Dann clearly expressed his suspicion of oats prior to this.

You can't be town and in good faith argue that two mafias didn't at least attempt to hammer the townie one of DP and gob.

Maybe I should just stick with DP/Grack/Luca after all.

This sequence. @DP

Grack/Luca is possible, or not?
At the time I thought that like Dann would say, Luca's thought that me and Oats could be partnered was a line too far if he believed that gob was scum.

Luca seems to have a good grasp on the game. I recall that me and Oats had absolutely opposite opinions about gob during D1, to the point that Oats tunneling him made me suspicious of him. It just seemed like absolute nonsense to propose us as a team, and if we were, why would we pass up on hammering DP, especially if I went into the day scumreading you?

[SuperfluousNinja]

Basically I want to lim HT right now.

Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?

I don't think that was alignment indicative.

Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?

It's easy to take a position on the game that is 'correct' as both alignments.

Ergo, it is likely HT would say something like that if she believed it to be true as either alignment.

Therfore, it's not alignment indicative.

Don't you read anything into WHY a person would say it? Like, walk me through the scum thought process here. Talk me through how a scum decides on this as the right thing to say,

assuming they are aware that they are screwing themselves over strategically by saying it.

[DarthPunk]

Yeah ok I agree with all of that.

I need to read Luca and grack again, because by looking at the wagons I think I am probably wrong on mafia HT.

[Vivax]

The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.

How? Walk me through this.

Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.

It's really going to bolster my reputation.

That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.

Hu Tao and ???

Is this a sort by postcount, become mafia pro game?

I have Nearys and Ninja as lock town. I think HT/Luca, HT/Grack, HT/Vivax all make sense in some way.

What about Grack / Vivax?

Hey Vivax, since you are showing some new enthusiasm for talking about why people got killed...

WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHY OUTOFORDER WAS KILLED?

Because I sure would!

OoO softed being town investigative. Or maybe he got rolecopped.

As for the Dann kill not making sense with you or Luca mafia, it's because you three seemed to not interact much with each other in general in terms of getting into discussions, so if one of you or Luca was mafia, I'd struggle to see the benefit of you killing Dann.

Unless you or Luca correctly identified him as blue.

Dann voting Oats when he declared his readiness to vote gob also struck me as rather pro-scum. I struggle to see any reason for mafia to kill Dann here with how well he was sandbagging.

[DarthPunk]

Basically I want to lim HT right now.

Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?

I don't think that was alignment indicative.

Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?

It's easy to take a position on the game that is 'correct' as both alignments.

Ergo, it is likely HT would say something like that if she believed it to be true as either alignment.

Therfore, it's not alignment indicative.

Don't you read anything into WHY a person would say it? Like, walk me through the scum thought process here. Talk me through how a scum decides on this as the right thing to say,

assuming they are aware that they are screwing themselves over strategically by saying it.

Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.

There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Darth, when are you going to realize Vivax is playing you like a fiddle?

[DarthPunk]

Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.

It's really going to bolster my reputation.

That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.

Hu Tao and ???

Is this a sort by postcount, become mafia pro game?

I have Nearys and Ninja as lock town. I think HT/Luca, HT/Grack, HT/Vivax all make sense in some way.

What about Grack / Vivax?

I think Vivax is town.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.

Huh? I don't follow. Hu Tao is asking people to just do less, to just say less. To kick back their legs and see things unfold. How does this contribute to "malaise"?

There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days.

But you do understand why reads lists at that point in time are helpful, right?

[SuperfluousNinja]

I think Vivax is town.

Okay. If I spend an inordinate amount of time showing you all of his inconsistencies, will you change your mind? Because I'm pretty content to spend the next few real-time days making that case, showing you all the weird stuff he has done. Vivax doesn't seem interested in explaining any of the stuff I've brought up to him, so I guess I'll just toss it to you instead since you think Vivax is town.

Are you looking forward to having to explain a litany of hard-to-explain shit that he has done?

[DarthPunk]

Darth, when are you going to realize Vivax is playing you like a fiddle?

lol, how should I respond to this Ninja?

I don't know why vivax would try to scum read me if he was town. He needs me right now, cause there is some pressure ITT but he is just scumhunting, trying to figure out the game.

I mean some of his takes are like WTF. But I see natural suspicion and thinking going on even if I don;t agree with the conclusions.