That was blatant setting me/someone from TL up when he flipped imo. Its one of the things that set my alarm bells off at the time.In post 4269, Vivax wrote:Made me think of you tbh.In post 4265, DarthPunk wrote:I am basically assuming Dann was a blue snipe or a respect kill from someone who is familiar with him. He is apparently a very strong player on this site.In post 4263, Vivax wrote: Maybe I should stick to Luca despite the Dannflor kill. It just seems like an unlikely pick for Luca if he's mafia here. Dannflor wasn't really threatening to anyone in particular. Maybe the Ninja townread gave him away?
Luca was pretty much tunneled on Oats, who flipped town. And this is probably the worst post in his ISO:In post 3768, Luca Blight wrote: I'll let oats hammer and claim that precious towncred. He's gonna need it.
That comment by gob with his little birdies chirping about your capabilities still nags at the back of my head.
You can brag in here, not in scum chat, don't be a stranger.
Unless you're town ig
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Really weird push by you Vivax TBH."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.
I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.
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Do you think Nearys could fake not knowing who the NK was when if she was scum she would 100 percent know?In post 4277, Vivax wrote:And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.
I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.
I'm still undecided, anyway. More reading, less writing.
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Do you mean the Roden JK dumbtell? Or another one?In post 4278, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you think Nearys could fake not knowing who the NK was when if she was scum she would 100 percent know?In post 4277, Vivax wrote:And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.
I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.
I'm still undecided, anyway. More reading, less writing.
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So vivax, in your HT and DP scum team world, you think that only mafia are on gob here and only town yeeted Oats?
That seems really unlikely no?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Yes.In post 4279, Vivax wrote:
Do you mean the Roden JK dumbtell? Or another one?In post 4278, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you think Nearys could fake not knowing who the NK was when if she was scum she would 100 percent know?In post 4277, Vivax wrote:And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.
I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.
I'm still undecided, anyway. More reading, less writing.
That is really hard for me to get past."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Grack and Luca haven't had the chance to post in over 4 days. interested in their positions right now."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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I'd say that's unpredictable. Neither likely nor unlikely. What I do think unlikely is that me, Oats and Ninja had one scum when we were off wagon during gob vs you and gob vs Oats.In post 4280, DarthPunk wrote:So vivax, in your HT and DP scum team world, you think that only mafia are on gob here and only town yeeted Oats?
That seems really unlikely no?
Like in that wagon analysis that I posted to say that me and Oats could never be scum together like Luca was claiming.
Luca was claiming that I didn't want either and Oats wanted gob, but somehow me and Oats were partnered.
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I don't follow, can you link the posts?In post 4283, Vivax wrote:
I'd say that's unpredictable. Neither likely nor unlikely. What I do think unlikely is that me, Oats and Ninja had one scum when we were off wagon during gob vs you and gob vs Oats.In post 4280, DarthPunk wrote:So vivax, in your HT and DP scum team world, you think that only mafia are on gob here and only town yeeted Oats?
That seems really unlikely no?
Like in that wagon analysis that I posted to say that me and Oats could never be scum together like Luca was claiming.
Luca was claiming that I didn't want either and Oats wanted gob, but somehow me and Oats were partnered.
It only doesn't make sense when I'm not town. But it made sense to me because I am."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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In post 4272, DarthPunk wrote:
I don't think that was alignment indicative.In post 4268, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?In post 4262, DarthPunk wrote: Basically I want to lim HT right now.
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It's easy to take a position on the game that is 'correct' as both alignments.In post 4285, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4272, DarthPunk wrote:
I don't think that was alignment indicative.In post 4268, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?In post 4262, DarthPunk wrote: Basically I want to lim HT right now.
Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?
Ergo, it is likely HT would say something like that if she believed it to be true as either alignment.
Therfore, it's not alignment indicative."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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In post 4252, Vivax wrote: The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.
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In post 4261, DarthPunk wrote:
I have Nearys and Ninja as lock town. I think HT/Luca, HT/Grack, HT/Vivax all make sense in some way.In post 4260, Vivax wrote:
That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.In post 4034, Grackaroni wrote: Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.
It's really going to bolster my reputation.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.
Hu Tao and ???
Is this a sort by postcount, become mafia pro game?
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Hey Vivax, since you are showing some new enthusiasm for talking about why people got killed...
WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHY OUTOFORDER WAS KILLED?
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In post 3367, Vivax wrote:This VC lol
Both DP and gob should be able to extract lots of info from thisIn post 3369, Vivax wrote: Like that Oats + me + ninja can hardly be teamed here.
And also that 1 between DP and gob is likely mafia.
Oats just made a post that suggested he could‘ve made Gob -1.
Then Dannflor voted him taking away from that opportunity.
Lots lf thoughts to be had.In post 3374, Vivax wrote: I think if gob is mafia that switch by Dann looks awful here.
Dann, Grack, gob with Dann instead of Luca? Is that it?In post 3378, Vivax wrote: Thinking Oats is mafia is a bit silly in this wagon formation unless he's exactly teamed with DPIn post 3460, Vivax wrote:
I operated from both perspectives as evidenced by me also trying to take gob's perspective on who he should scumread if he was analyzing both wagons knowing he was town and believing that DP was mafia.In post 3457, Luca Blight wrote:In post 3383, Vivax wrote:
I don't know about that but he should form the two following thoughts:In post 3380, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you think dann could fake the introspection and adjustment to his approach with the TL players this game?In post 3379, Vivax wrote: Ergo Dannflor is mafia, cause he ignores that, votes Oats, but still should rather vote DP if he was town adhering to his stated beliefs.
The gob vote was a distancing attempt.
I found that really townie to be honest.
Are these wagons town on town?
He voted gob previously so clearly he doesn't think that.
If he thought gob was mafia, why vote Oats who was just coming around to vote gob (unless he assumed that was a setup for a bus)?
If Oats isn't bussing he can only be partnered with you, so if he thinks gob is the mafia being wagoned, how can he ever suspect Oats for prepping a vote on him?
I don't get this way of looking at the game at all. You can hold two separate scumreads on the two main wagons and change your mind based on subsequent posts. I don't get your point about oats only being able to be partnered with Darth, either. You seem to be operating from the perspective than Gob is definitely scum, even though you townread him not too long ago?
What is so hard to understand ?
If me and Oats and Superfluousninja had at least two mafia we would both be working to hammer the town of the two wagons instead of delaying.
Then you show up and randomly say me and Oats can be mafia together because you haven't put a shred of decent analysis into the wagon formation. That's another reason for me to be unable to townread you.
This sequence. @DPIn post 3462, Vivax wrote:
You can't be town and in good faith argue that two mafias didn't at least attempt to hammer the townie one of DP and gob.In post 3455, Luca Blight wrote:In post 3378, Vivax wrote: Thinking Oats is mafia is a bit silly in this wagon formation unless he's exactly teamed with DPIn post 3379, Vivax wrote: Ergo Dannflor is mafia, cause he ignores that, votes Oats, but still should rather vote DP if he was town adhering to his stated beliefs.
The gob vote was a distancing attempt.
Or maybe Vivax is scum with oats.
None of the above analysis makes sense to me, especially the last part when Dann clearly expressed his suspicion of oats prior to this.
Maybe I should just stick with DP/Grack/Luca after all.
Grack/Luca is possible, or not?
At the time I thought that like Dann would say, Luca's thought that me and Oats could be partnered was a line too far if he believed that gob was scum.
Luca seems to have a good grasp on the game. I recall that me and Oats had absolutely opposite opinions about gob during D1, to the point that Oats tunneling him made me suspicious of him. It just seemed like absolute nonsense to propose us as a team, and if we were, why would we pass up on hammering DP, especially if I went into the day scumreading you?-
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In post 4286, DarthPunk wrote:
It's easy to take a position on the game that is 'correct' as both alignments.In post 4285, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4272, DarthPunk wrote:
I don't think that was alignment indicative.In post 4268, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?In post 4262, DarthPunk wrote: Basically I want to lim HT right now.
Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?
Ergo, it is likely HT would say something like that if she believed it to be true as either alignment.
Therfore, it's not alignment indicative.
Don't you read anything into WHY a person would say it? Like, walk me through the scum thought process here. Talk me through how a scum decides on this as the right thing to say,assuming they are aware that they are screwing themselves over strategically by saying it.-
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Yeah ok I agree with all of that.
I need to read Luca and grack again, because by looking at the wagons I think I am probably wrong on mafia HT."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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In post 4287, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4252, Vivax wrote: The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.
How? Walk me through this.In post 4288, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4261, DarthPunk wrote:
I have Nearys and Ninja as lock town. I think HT/Luca, HT/Grack, HT/Vivax all make sense in some way.In post 4260, Vivax wrote:
That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.In post 4034, Grackaroni wrote: Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.
It's really going to bolster my reputation.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.
Hu Tao and ???
Is this a sort by postcount, become mafia pro game?
What about Grack / Vivax?
OoO softed being town investigative. Or maybe he got rolecopped.In post 4289, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Hey Vivax, since you are showing some new enthusiasm for talking about why people got killed...
WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHY OUTOFORDER WAS KILLED?
Because I sure would!
As for the Dann kill not making sense with you or Luca mafia, it's because you three seemed to not interact much with each other in general in terms of getting into discussions, so if one of you or Luca was mafia, I'd struggle to see the benefit of you killing Dann.
Unless you or Luca correctly identified him as blue.
Dann voting Oats when he declared his readiness to vote gob also struck me as rather pro-scum. I struggle to see any reason for mafia to kill Dann here with how well he was sandbagging.-
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Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.In post 4291, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4286, DarthPunk wrote:
It's easy to take a position on the game that is 'correct' as both alignments.In post 4285, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4272, DarthPunk wrote:
I don't think that was alignment indicative.In post 4268, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?In post 4262, DarthPunk wrote: Basically I want to lim HT right now.
Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?
Ergo, it is likely HT would say something like that if she believed it to be true as either alignment.
Therfore, it's not alignment indicative.
Don't you read anything into WHY a person would say it? Like, walk me through the scum thought process here. Talk me through how a scum decides on this as the right thing to say,assuming they are aware that they are screwing themselves over strategically by saying it.
There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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I think Vivax is town.In post 4288, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4261, DarthPunk wrote:
I have Nearys and Ninja as lock town. I think HT/Luca, HT/Grack, HT/Vivax all make sense in some way.In post 4260, Vivax wrote:
That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.In post 4034, Grackaroni wrote: Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.
It's really going to bolster my reputation.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.
Hu Tao and ???
Is this a sort by postcount, become mafia pro game?
What about Grack / Vivax?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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In post 4294, DarthPunk wrote: Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.
Huh? I don't follow. Hu Tao is asking people to just do less, to just say less. To kick back their legs and see things unfold. How does this contribute to "malaise"?
There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days.
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In post 4296, DarthPunk wrote: I think Vivax is town.
Okay. If I spend an inordinate amount of time showing you all of his inconsistencies, will you change your mind? Because I'm pretty content to spend the next few real-time days making that case, showing you all the weird stuff he has done. Vivax doesn't seem interested in explaining any of the stuff I've brought up to him, so I guess I'll just toss it to you instead since you think Vivax is town.
Are you looking forward to having to explain a litany of hard-to-explain shit that he has done?-
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lol, how should I respond to this Ninja?In post 4295, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Darth, when are you going to realize Vivax is playing you like a fiddle?
I don't know why vivax would try to scum read me if he was town. He needs me right now, cause there is some pressure ITT but he is just scumhunting, trying to figure out the game.
I mean some of his takes are like WTF. But I see natural suspicion and thinking going on even if I don;t agree with the conclusions."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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