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[SuperfluousNinja]

A LOT of Hu Tao's commentary has been meta game analysis. They spent a lot of time back-and-forthing about activity levels and what that means. Meta game analysis is always an easy way for scum to just talk about stuff and appear active.

Do you not think Hu Tao's comment is basically a version of the above ninja?

No, I don't. Talking about meta game analysis is filler. Hu Tao's comment in that specific situation had a very clear purpose and intent.

Ok well in my heuristics of playing mafia, the comment lands broadly in the range of the above which means I don't think it makes HT more likely to be town than mafia in any way.

Then your heuristics are wrong. There is strategy to consider and your heuristics are just tossing them out the window. It doesn't even sound to me like you even understand what they're trying to say! You made up some stuff about malaise that doesn't even seem to apply.

[DarthPunk]

@Vivax

Why did you try to murder me yesterday?

Fire support for OoO . Same way we attempted to go after Luca D1.
But also cause the way you acted surprised about Dunn getting wagoned as if he was so obviously town made me go scumscum on you.

Do link a scum game of yours please. I'm curious if you're as hyperactive in such a case.

Do you think she is not cleared?

[Hu Tao]

Basically I want to lim HT right now.

Sadly I think you're town and just terrible at trying to read me. If I was confirmed town, how would that change your reads?

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I should stick to Luca despite the Dannflor kill. It just seems like an unlikely pick for Luca if he's mafia here. Dannflor wasn't really threatening to anyone in particular. Maybe the Ninja townread gave him away?

Luca was pretty much tunneled on Oats, who flipped town. And this is probably the worst post in his ISO:

I'll let oats hammer and claim that precious towncred. He's gonna need it.

It's possible gob role copped Dann too.

[SuperfluousNinja]

it's just that I can see reasons for both Mafia!HT and Town!HT to make that post.

Here's the thing: I can too, it's just that one alignment doing it is far, far stupider than the other alignment doing it.

Scum telling people to please not help us with our night kill is just straight-up stupid. It might give a person some town points to say it, but when a person exchanges a few town points for some really terrible strategy and shooting themselves in the foot,

especially right after their teammate is getting killed

, I have a disproportionately difficult time believing that's something scum would actually want to do.

[DarthPunk]

A LOT of Hu Tao's commentary has been meta game analysis. They spent a lot of time back-and-forthing about activity levels and what that means. Meta game analysis is always an easy way for scum to just talk about stuff and appear active.

Do you not think Hu Tao's comment is basically a version of the above ninja?

No, I don't. Talking about meta game analysis is filler. Hu Tao's comment in that specific situation had a very clear purpose and intent.

Ok well in my heuristics of playing mafia, the comment lands broadly in the range of the above which means I don't think it makes HT more likely to be town than mafia in any way.

Then your heuristics are wrong. There is strategy to consider and your heuristics are just tossing them out the window. It doesn't even sound to me like you even understand what they're trying to say! You made up some stuff about malaise that doesn't even seem to apply.

here is what I was saying to be very clear.

1.) HT made a comment about not posting further to give away reads.

2.) You say that comment can only come from town/makes her town

3.) I say that I don' think it is alignment indicative meaning I can see the town reason to post that and the mafia reason

4.) you say that I am wrong and to explain why mafia says that

5.) I give two reasons

a.) to post about something that is true regardless of alignment and seems sensible

b.) to shut down discussion and contribute to townie disengagement

6.) you say I am putting words in her mouth (even though you asked me specifically to state what the mafia purpose behind was)

7.) I continue to say that I think the post could come from town or scum HT.

[Hu Tao]

Basically I want to lim HT right now.

Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?

I don't think that was alignment indicative.

Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?

It's easy to take a position on the game that is 'correct' as both alignments.

Ergo, it is likely HT would say something like that if she believed it to be true as either alignment.

Therfore, it's not alignment indicative.

No need for me to say it as scum. If I was scum, I'd want to know how everyone was thinking before the night kill

[DarthPunk]

it's just that I can see reasons for both Mafia!HT and Town!HT to make that post.

Here's the thing: I can too, it's just that one alignment doing it is far, far stupider than the other alignment doing it.

Scum telling people to please not help us with our night kill is just straight-up stupid. It might give a person some town points to say it, but when a person exchanges a few town points for some really terrible strategy and shooting themselves in the foot,

especially right after their teammate is getting killed

, I have a disproportionately difficult time believing that's something scum would actually want to do.

I can see the logic here, which is why I think the post is NAI, rather than scummy

And you can see the logic for scum doing it too, which is why it's NAI.

If we can agree that both town and mafia can have reasons to post that, can we just agree to disagree that it means something for their Alignment or not.

I can see it means something for you, it doesn't mean the same thing for me.

It's ok for us to have different perspectives on the game.

[SuperfluousNinja]

But you are indeed assigning it to something about malaise when there's no reason to think it's about malaise.

You have thoroughly confused me by bringing the malaise thing up. I just don't get that at all, sorry.

Hu Tao, were you concerned about malaise at all?

[Hu Tao]

Yeah ok I agree with all of that.

I need to read Luca and grack again, because by looking at the wagons I think I am probably wrong on mafia HT.

Well this basically answers my question I just asked. But interested in your thoughts after the read

[DarthPunk]

ninja, unless you think this is meaningful in some way for my alignment, can I suggest we just agree to disagree?

[DarthPunk]

But you are indeed assigning it to something about malaise when there's no reason to think it's about malaise.

You have thoroughly confused me by bringing the malaise thing up. I just don't get that at all, sorry.

Hu Tao, were you concerned about malaise at all?

Maybe I used the wrong word?

[SuperfluousNinja]

If we can agree that both town and mafia can have reasons to post that, can we just agree to disagree that it means something for their Alignment or not.

No, we cannot, because you still need to give consideration for how much more stupid it would be for one side to say it than the other.

[Hu Tao]

Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.

It's really going to bolster my reputation.

That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.

Hu Tao and ???

Is this a sort by postcount, become mafia pro game?

I have Nearys and Ninja as lock town. I think HT/Luca, HT/Grack, HT/Vivax all make sense in some way.

What about Grack / Vivax?

I think Vivax is town.

Yikes

[SuperfluousNinja]

But you are indeed assigning it to something about malaise when there's no reason to think it's about malaise.

You have thoroughly confused me by bringing the malaise thing up. I just don't get that at all, sorry.

Hu Tao, were you concerned about malaise at all?

Maybe I used the wrong word?

Well, throw some other words out there then, but I tend to think that anything that's even malaise-tangent is still way off the mark.

[DarthPunk]

If we can agree that both town and mafia can have reasons to post that, can we just agree to disagree that it means something for their Alignment or not.

No, we cannot, because you still need to give consideration for how much more stupid it would be for one side to say it than the other.

I think that is a good point, but (wifom) that might be a reason to post that as mafia.

[DarthPunk]

But you are indeed assigning it to something about malaise when there's no reason to think it's about malaise.

You have thoroughly confused me by bringing the malaise thing up. I just don't get that at all, sorry.

Hu Tao, were you concerned about malaise at all?

Maybe I used the wrong word?

Well, throw some other words out there then, but I tend to think that anything that's even malaise-tangent is still way off the mark.

Disengagment?

[Vivax]

Lol I take back my Luca doubts.

2.12

Oatsmaster (4) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni

[Exe-2]

Gob (4) :

Naerys / Hu Tao / Darth Punk / Vivax

[Exe-2]

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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If gob is town you can see why they‘re in a hurry with Oats too.

Luca said he doesn‘t buy gob‘s claim then votes Oats.

Wrong again.

It was Darth who said that. I raised the possibility of Gob being a mafia tracker.

I was voting oats already before Gob's claim. Oats has always been my stronger scumread.

I'll let oats hammer and claim that precious towncred. He's gonna need it.

[SuperfluousNinja]

If we can agree that both town and mafia can have reasons to post that, can we just agree to disagree that it means something for their Alignment or not.

No, we cannot, because you still need to give consideration for how much more stupid it would be for one side to say it than the other.

I think that is a good point, but (wifom) that might be a reason to post that as mafia.

Darth, like I already said before, I acknowledge the fact that a mafia can "score some points" by saying it. I do see what you're saying here. They score some points for saying it.

But you have to consider two things:

1) Hu Tao was not in a position where they suddenly needed to drop "please read me town" material; there was no heat on them
2) It's strategically terrible, and that is way, way more important here.

[Vivax]

VOTE: LUCA BLIGHTVOTE:

ALL CAPS

[Hu Tao]

You're answering the question "how does a break in the game contribute to malaise?". That's not the question I asked.

I asked you "how does HU TAO'S COMMENT contribute to malaise?"

She is advocating for a break in the game.

I think you're putting words in her mouth when you say that. You are phrasing this as if to say that the real message Hu Tao wanted to convey with that comment was something along the lines of "gosh I'm tired, let's take a break" or something like that.

How about this: it's stupid of the two of us to try and ascertain what Hu Tao was trying to say when Hu Tao can tell us themselves. I'll put the ball in their court and leave it at that.

@Hu Tao, was your comment about not giving reads, was that anything to do with some general sense of malaise, as Darth is arguing it is, or was it something else?

It's pretty clear it was so scum didn't get more information

[DarthPunk]

If we can agree that both town and mafia can have reasons to post that, can we just agree to disagree that it means something for their Alignment or not.

No, we cannot, because you still need to give consideration for how much more stupid it would be for one side to say it than the other.

I think that is a good point, but (wifom) that might be a reason to post that as mafia.

Darth, like I already said before, I acknowledge the fact that a mafia can "score some points" by saying it. I do see what you're saying here. They score some points for saying it.

But you have to consider two things:

1) Hu Tao was not in a position where they suddenly needed to drop "please read me town" material; there was no heat on them
2) It's strategically terrible, and that is way, way more important here.

Yeah ok, I agree with that.

[Hu Tao]

@Vivax

Why did you try to murder me yesterday?

Fire support for OoO . Same way we attempted to go after Luca D1.
But also cause the way you acted surprised about Dunn getting wagoned as if he was so obviously town made me go scumscum on you.

Do link a scum game of yours please. I'm curious if you're as hyperactive in such a case.

My only two games here are town, and personalitycafe.com is kaputt, so, I'm very sorry but you will not be able to use any of this weird meta shit against me. You're going to have to talk about things that we can all see with our own eyeballs.

I'm so lost. Aren't you from the same website as the rest of them?

[SuperfluousNinja]

I'm so lost. Aren't you from the same website as the rest of them?

Nope!

[DarthPunk]

I'm so lost. Aren't you from the same website as the rest of them?

Nope!

you should join us for a game sometime tho, your ability to post huge amounts would fit in well.