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[DarthPunk]

@Luca, who are your top 2 scum reads at the moment?

Vivax is the only clear scumread I have, but I would imagine the other would be in Naerys/Grack. I still think Hu Tao and Darth are more likely town, but I need to review again.

Naerys picked up on the fact that Dannflor said "SuperfluousNinja is my strongest town read" yesterday and deduced that he was almost certainly saying it because he checked me. There's no way a scum Naerys points out a thing like that. So IMO Naerys is also basically confirmed town at this point.

I completely disagree, because if she didn't point it out then someone would have. I noticed Dann's comment myself and suspected he might have had an inno result at the time.

It gives her a reason to be townread, which she needs at this point if she is scum.

I think naerys is town but this is 100% correct and she certainly is not confirmed town.

[Vivax]

@Luca, who are your top 2 scum reads at the moment?

Vivax is the only clear scumread I have, but I would imagine the other would be in Naerys/Grack. I still think Hu Tao and Darth are more likely town, but I need to review again.

Naerys picked up on the fact that Dannflor said "SuperfluousNinja is my strongest town read" yesterday and deduced that he was almost certainly saying it because he checked me. There's no way a scum Naerys points out a thing like that. So IMO Naerys is also basically confirmed town at this point.

I completely disagree, because if she didn't point it out then someone would have. I noticed Dann's comment myself and suspected he might have had an inno result at the time.

It gives her a reason to be townread, which she needs at this point if she is scum.

I can agree with that.
Since it's something you like doing as evidenced from how you treated Oats, why don't you help me hammer my partner in Grack or Naerys?

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

I've only skimmed through, but wanted to answer this:

Town misreads town as scum in a game of mafia, more at 11!

I am scared of this and I am taking what you say seriously as you are basically cleared.

Otherwise I would have voted already.

For real, why do you think this means something? How many townies have incorrectly voted to yeet town in this game so far? Why is this one instance of Luca doing it so notable?

Cause his reads and actions don’t align

Are you concerned at all that the guy you are sheeping posted those quotes in the wrong order, or that he didn't tell you how many posts were inbetween, so that you wouldn't get a sense of how much time and how much post material he had to change his mind?

No, not really.

Luca said oats was always his bigger scum read and that he also thought gob could be mafia tracker .

Then why does he Think his strongest scum read would hammer his buddy?

Why would he not hammer his other scum read?

All of those are fair questions that vivax is pointing to.

Because Gob was pretty much a consensus scum read by that point and his death was inevitable. It's common practice for scum to bus their partners when this is the case

, and I thought oats' earlier response to you about Gob was awkward and possibly indicative of someone failing to bus their partner in a natural looking way. Obviously I was wrong about oats in this case.

The reason I made that post was because I wanted to put oats, who I thought was scum, in another awkward position where he would have to make a decision on whether or not to hammer his partner.

At the time you were saying

1. Me and Oats were mafia together.
2. Gob was your weaker scumread.

Rhetorically elegant way to weasel yourself out by appealing to thread consensus and common practice but doesn't hold with what has transpired.

Read on me please.

I was pretty sure of oats/Vivax/Gob being the scum team by that point, but independently oats was my more certain scum read and if I was wrong on one then I would have picked Gob, but I didn't think I was wrong.

Right now I think you must be scum, not only for the reasons I mentioned yesterday regarding the wagon analysis but also by PoE. I'm going to take some time later to review properly before placing my vote, though.

You seem pretty sure of yourself after neither me nor Oats 'bussed' gob at the end of the day.
So you made an association read with me and Oats in it and Oats flipping green didn't change a thing about your read on me.

My vote is in the right place then.

I think you are the scummiest player in this game independent of anything else, and by PoE you're almost certainly scum from my perspective. If you somehow flip green then i accept I will be mislimmed tomorrow, it's basically unavoidable especially after Ninja has been killed.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Oh hey welcome back Vivax, now answer my question:

Of course I argue when it's convenient for me, ergo when it helps me to murder mafia, which replying to you about that particular point isn't doing, because looking at the Dunnstral wagon isn't going to help me case Luca.

I don't care about Luca. Forget about Luca for the time being. Let's pretend Luca doesn't exist.

I'm talking about this world I live in where I posted the full voting history on Dunnstral. You completely ignored it and didn't use it at all. Why?

[Vivax]

I really think it's Luca and Naerys though.
Mostly from the way and timing Naerys switched from Gob to Oats. I'll have to revisit her posts at the time, still.

[SuperfluousNinja]

@Luca, who are your top 2 scum reads at the moment?

Vivax is the only clear scumread I have, but I would imagine the other would be in Naerys/Grack. I still think Hu Tao and Darth are more likely town, but I need to review again.

Naerys picked up on the fact that Dannflor said "SuperfluousNinja is my strongest town read" yesterday and deduced that he was almost certainly saying it because he checked me. There's no way a scum Naerys points out a thing like that. So IMO Naerys is also basically confirmed town at this point.

I completely disagree, because if she didn't point it out then someone would have. I noticed Dann's comment myself and suspected he might have had an inno result at the time.

It gives her a reason to be townread, which she needs at this point if she is scum.

Well shit. Good point.

[DarthPunk]

I really think it's Luca and Naerys though.
Mostly from the way and timing Naerys switched from Gob to Oats. I'll have to revisit her posts at the time, still.

not grack?

[SuperfluousNinja]

VOTE: Vivax

He really needs to be the one to go today.

[Vivax]

I really think it's Luca and Naerys though.
Mostly from the way and timing Naerys switched from Gob to Oats. I'll have to revisit her posts at the time, still.

not grack?

I think you're right.
Naerys posts have a townie vibe after all.

I think if Oats is town then atleast one of Dann/Luca is scum

Could use some expanding on this one though.

Now to review Grackaroni.

Luca has no escape if we hammer the Grack and he flips scum.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Grackaroni

[Vivax]

UNVOTE:

Too early actually. There's a few posts sticking out that make me reconsider.
Hu-Tao and Luca could also be a thing

[Grackaroni]

Especially since I'm not even posting yet.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Luca Blight

This is my conviction scum read. Peer pressure be damned.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Vivax

He really needs to be the one to go today.

Here, have a token of attention

[Luca Blight]

This really reminds me of the game me and Hu Tao were in that just finished. I was tunnelled on Dann being scum, and strongly believed he was partnered with Outworld. When Dann flipped green I still scumread Outworld (who actually was scum) and he was like

'why do you still scumread me when you thought I was partnered with Dann?

'. It's pretty similar to Vivax's line of argument in this game, shading me for not changing my read on him following oats' flip.

Here's the post I'm talking about: viewtopic.php?p=14068357#p14068357

[Vivax]

I am calling you mafia because you told your stronger scumread that he should gain cred by hammering your weaker scumread instead of you doing it yourself and killing a town in the process.

You can use all the whataboutism you want.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Especially since I'm not even posting yet.

Hi Grack. Current scum reads?

[Luca Blight]

I am calling you mafia because you told your stronger scumread that he should gain cred by hammering your weaker scumread instead of you doing it yourself and killing a town in the process.

You can use all the whataboutism you want.

And I've already explained my entire thought process behind this.

[DarthPunk]

This really reminds me of the game me and Hu Tao were in that just finished. I was tunnelled on Dann being scum, and strongly believed he was partnered with Outworld. When Dann flipped green I still scumread Outworld (who actually was scum) and he was like

'why do you still scumread me when you thought I was partnered with Dann?

'. It's pretty similar to Vivax's line of argument in this game, shading me for not changing my read on him following oats' flip.

Here's the post I'm talking about: viewtopic.php?p=14068357#p14068357

Doesn't really mean anything in this game though does it.

[DarthPunk]

Vivax who is mafia if Luca is town?

[Vivax]

Vivax who is mafia if Luca is town?

Hu Tao and Grack I‘d guess

[DarthPunk]

How many mislims do we have?

[DarthPunk]

is it two?

[Luca Blight]

This really reminds me of the game me and Hu Tao were in that just finished. I was tunnelled on Dann being scum, and strongly believed he was partnered with Outworld. When Dann flipped green I still scumread Outworld (who actually was scum) and he was like

'why do you still scumread me when you thought I was partnered with Dann?

'. It's pretty similar to Vivax's line of argument in this game, shading me for not changing my read on him following oats' flip.

Here's the post I'm talking about: viewtopic.php?p=14068357#p14068357

Doesn't really mean anything in this game though does it.

It's a pattern of behaviour that I think could be scum-indicative - I have given enough reasons this game to scumread Vivax independent of any associations with oats.

It also shows that I can tunnel someone while thinking they are partnered with someone else, and still scumread the latter after the former flips town.

[Vivax]

I ISOd naerys and banished the thought of her being mafia.

I would like an update on the Oats town-> Luca/Dann mafia thought