Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[davesaz]

"why is this person's vote not as bad as mine" feels like something mafia say when they feel like they are being unfairly targeted when they think their play is the same as everyone else.

Exploring this a bit -- why would mafia say this more often than town who feel they are being unfairly targeted? Wouldn't it be the unfairly targeted part, more than the alignment part?

[Political Clout]

from the feeling so threatened by a page 3 wagon that you burn a PR to the selfvote+"Eliminate me and vote her out tomorrow!" the whole playerlist seems awfully melodramatic this game

It is worth the sacrifice to get 1 scum out the game. But only if it is agreed that she is the elimination tomorrow

that's really dumb! why would anyone agree to that? has an entire town ever agreed to that?

9 times out of 10 the person who is mislimmed D1 is completely forgotten and ignored past the first page of D2. i feel like you must have been in enough games by now to know this

This is all just fluff.

none of those posts were fluff

Maybe you're right is the correct word filler then? It looked like you wanted to say something but didn't know what to say but wanted to post, and just made 3 posts about nothing. Where could that theoretical conversation with hu tao possibly go, nowhere.

[Psyche]

i knew what i wanted to say and said exactly all those things. that conversation w hu tao was probing the rationale and/or sincerity behind the self vote.

[Psyche]

can someone who is not clout tell me if the purpose behind those posts was not as obvious as it seems to me?

[Political Clout]

i knew what i wanted to say and said exactly all those things. that conversation w hu tao was probing the rationale and/or sincerity behind the self vote.

What was your conclusion

[davesaz]

43/45 are me justifying my RN vote
the tone of his post read as disingenuous and badly pretending to be substantial / the adult in the room

what was this in response to?

[Psyche]

the person who asked me to justify my RN sry im mobile rn

[Aristeia]

"why is this person's vote not as bad as mine" feels like something mafia say when they feel like they are being unfairly targeted when they think their play is the same as everyone else.

Exploring this a bit -- why would mafia say this more often than town who feel they are being unfairly targeted? Wouldn't it be the unfairly targeted part, more than the alignment part?

I'm not entirely sure what the psych reason is, I just think mafia are more likely to appeal towards "fairness" and think it's not right they're being singled out for behavior they think everyone is doing.

Town tend to care less about being eliminated and more often blame others for their deaths. Her attitude also doesn't really fit with her self voting and declaring Naerys to be a confident scumread because of one single factor.

[davesaz]

can someone who is not clout tell me if the purpose behind those posts was not as obvious as it seems to me?

FWIW, I get accused all the time of making comments without trying to advance the game.
Making the comment is making my position known on a topic, which in my mind does advance the game if it helps others to read me.

[Klick]

the way you're framing the question feels like something mafia would say tho.

"why is this person's vote not as bad as mine" feels like something mafia say when they feel like they are being unfairly targeted when they think their play is the same as everyone else.

truth be told I voted you because you had the most votes and you had a sus looking hop on to the wagon, I didn't really bother trying to figure out which vote on the wagon was the most sus or whatever, I just saw two votes on you, checked your iso and decided it was a decent place to start.

This post is a banger

[Dannflor]

VOTE: hu tao

[Psyche]

i knew what i wanted to say and said exactly all those things. that conversation w hu tao was probing the rationale and/or sincerity behind the self vote.

What was your conclusion

i still can't understand how someone w hu tao's professed beliefs/personality exists in this world. it's a very incoherent sequence set in between an otherwise clear-thinking iso. when the read is not ambivalent, i'll announce it like a normal person.

[Psyche]

the way you're framing the question feels like something mafia would say tho.

"why is this person's vote not as bad as mine" feels like something mafia say when they feel like they are being unfairly targeted when they think their play is the same as everyone else.

truth be told I voted you because you had the most votes and you had a sus looking hop on to the wagon, I didn't really bother trying to figure out which vote on the wagon was the most sus or whatever, I just saw two votes on you, checked your iso and decided it was a decent place to start.

This post is a banger

I actually really disagree.
"why is this person's vote not as bad as mine" is a useful sorting question.
it's only scummy if you can only interpret the post as someone complaining about being suspected

[Psyche]

221 did make me townlead aristeia though
and im not calling a question like "why is this person's vote not as bad as mine" town-indicative
i'm just saying 221's not a great argument that it's scummy

[Klick]

That would be compelling except I don't really have any opinion on the quality of Hu Tao's individually or compared to the other person's because that doesn't really have anything to do with my read on Hu Tao
It feels like Hu Tao really wants to talk about specific reasons she doesn't think she looks scummy
And therefore, yes, I think she's complaining about being suspected by doing so

[Klick]

Hu Tao's vote* individually

[Aristeia]

how is it a useful sorting question?

if anything I feel like its setting up framing for a debate on which of these votes were the "scummiest"

which is like ? to me. like if there's multiple scummy looking votes you have to start somewhere and sort them one by one no?

[davesaz]

how is it a useful sorting question?

if anything I feel like its setting up framing for a debate on which of these votes were the "scummiest"

which is like ? to me. like if there's multiple scummy looking votes you have to start somewhere and sort them one by one no?

I lean toward doing what I did, which is to put some thought into all of them at the same time. Focusing on one of an otherwise mostly equal set puts town at risk of snowballing prematurely.

[Naerys]

"me as townie would never put my RVS vote on person that already has 2 votes or more"

im trying to figure out why this disclosure about how you play mafia haa anything to do with how you interpret other players' play

Well true, everybody plays differently. This way just explanation, why the votes on RN plus Hu Tao´s jumping in without care dont look good to me

[Klick]

klick can you talk about your psyche town read

I think Psyche is focusing on the things he's focusing on out of interest that springs from him looking for scum
I feel like either Psyche is town or he's deliberately faking his entire approach to this game down to how he's feeling about trivial things from the start

[davesaz]

I think Naerys' approach to Hu Tao feels like starting from a conclusion and finding evidence, vs the opposite.

[Political Clout]

Let me get on my laptop I've been playing from my phone this whole game.

[Psyche]

how is it a useful sorting question?

if anything I feel like its setting up framing for a debate on which of these votes were the "scummiest"

which is like ? to me. like if there's multiple scummy looking votes you have to start somewhere and sort them one by one no?

a rough rule of thumb is that questions about people's reads posed in a relatively odd way make for good sorting questions

[Klick]

Let me get on my laptop I've been playing from my phone this whole game.

Cool, I'm not the only one

[Hu Tao]

Also Naerys tell me why you think my vote is worse than PCs. When we say similar things.

I'd want Klick and Ari's reasoning too.

I don't really know much about PC, I guess he could also be mafia. If you flip mafia he'd probably be the first place I look.

So you're saying that me and him did the same thing as partners. And you're saying that if I flip town you wouldn't? Seems like a weird take