Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Klick]

Mafia is a game that necessitates both being supportive and manipulative to some degree

'Placative' is more of a personal playstyle thing for me that I've picked up over years of experience, because if I don't do that then I instead waste loads of time on arguments that don't help and don't need to happen

Perhaps that style works against you upon approaching me.

In my experience it’s always Scum trying to get through my defenses and posing as support. I’ve been in enough games to bet the argumentative ones flailing against me are typically Town.

I view being town in Mafia as primarily about understanding. People are going to do what they do. What matters is finding the truth of the puzzle and making enough of it clear to enough people in enough time. That's often going to require some trust, but also some amount of deception/obscurity.

I've got my own modus operandi, others do as well. I'm willing to work to help others' methods if I trust them and think it will help without disrupting my own methods.

[Random Nurse]

It’d be hilarious if Naerys and Hu were engaged in distancing.

…

Hilarious indeed.

Not sure how serious this comment was but I highly doubt this, solely because Hu was very close to being eliminated with the last thing they were pushing was voting Naerys out. Unless the plan was to clear naerys the rest of the game. I still just don’t see that as a good day 1 plan, but I don’t have much to go off of in terms of past game experience so I can’t say with any conviction that it couldn’t or wouldn’t happen.

Hu is very capable as Scum. I’m assuming you don’t know her like I do (10+ alts included). She once counter-claimed a Cop with a claimed guilty on her and got his ass launched.

[Klick]

It's specifically because Hu is strong as scum that I doubt she's scum here

[Random Nurse]

Mafia is a game that necessitates both being supportive and manipulative to some degree

'Placative' is more of a personal playstyle thing for me that I've picked up over years of experience, because if I don't do that then I instead waste loads of time on arguments that don't help and don't need to happen

Perhaps that style works against you upon approaching me.

In my experience it’s always Scum trying to get through my defenses and posing as support. I’ve been in enough games to bet the argumentative ones flailing against me are typically Town.

I view being town in Mafia as primarily about understanding. People are going to do what they do. What matters is finding the truth of the puzzle and making enough of it clear to enough people in enough time. That's often going to require some trust, but also some amount of deception/obscurity.

I've got my own modus operandi, others do as well. I'm willing to work to help others' methods if I trust them and think it will help without disrupting my own methods.

That sounds very reasonable. As Scum I can use sheer reason to win. My paranoia has me alert when another is all-too-calm and reasonable.

I’m not sure what to make of you yet. Too bad I only have Today.

[Random Nurse]

It's specifically because Hu is strong as scum that I doubt she's scum here

And what is your explicit reasoning behind this?

[Random Nurse]

I’m not sure I hear those fingers typing, Naerys.

[Random Nurse]

@NotAScum, I’d like your input on the last two pages regarding my interactions, please.

[Random Nurse]

Geraintm, are you usually this cagey?

[Klick]

I find this tactic really obnoxious and would appreciate if you avoided it in the future

But I think you're not that likely to have partners

Like this kind of behavior is very self-focused and you're not that self-focused when your wincon is attached to two other known players

I also think Hu Tao has a higher opinion of her own scum game than to default to this as her tactic

This is a good summary of my reasoning there RN

The self-vote thing is bad optics. It was always going to be bad optics. Even with me pitching that Hu Tao is town for it, it has her in a worse position than she was before it happened. It was an unnecessary, avoidable blunder if scum, and Hu Tao has explicitly better tactics that she would choose instead of the self-vote. The self-vote expresses a lack of confidence, and that is explained better by Hu!town not feeling listened to about Naerys than it is by Hu!scum thinking she's in a poor spot.

[Klick]

The self-vote expresses a lack of confidence,

'lack of confidence' in terms of her position, not in her read. Maybe 'frustration' is a better word for it

[Random Nurse]

Klick where do you sit currently on Hu?

TL, T, N, SL, S?

[Hu Tao]

You know, I sense Naerys hasn’t really been taking my posts seriously, for example: responding.

So what does that mean? Ignoring me only makes it much, MUCH worse. If she’s Scum is she avoiding trying to get entangled by my feelers?

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to what i didnt respond?

Go look through my posts and show me exactly what you didn’t respond to.

No, i wont.

*licks fangs*

Bruh?

[Hu Tao]

And don’t get quiet on me now, Hu. I know you’re still here.

I wasn't but I am now

[Hu Tao]

It’d be hilarious if Naerys and Hu were engaged in distancing.

…

Hilarious indeed.

Not sure how serious this comment was but I highly doubt this, solely because Hu was very close to being eliminated with the last thing they were pushing was voting Naerys out. Unless the plan was to clear naerys the rest of the game. I still just don’t see that as a good day 1 plan, but I don’t have much to go off of in terms of past game experience so I can’t say with any conviction that it couldn’t or wouldn’t happen.

Hu is very capable as Scum. I’m assuming you don’t know her like I do (10+ alts included). She once counter-claimed a Cop with a claimed guilty on her and got his ass launched.

What are your alts?

[Random Nurse]

And don’t get quiet on me now, Hu. I know you’re still here.

I wasn't but I am now

…with nothing to say, eh?

[Random Nurse]

It’d be hilarious if Naerys and Hu were engaged in distancing.

…

Hilarious indeed.

Not sure how serious this comment was but I highly doubt this, solely because Hu was very close to being eliminated with the last thing they were pushing was voting Naerys out. Unless the plan was to clear naerys the rest of the game. I still just don’t see that as a good day 1 plan, but I don’t have much to go off of in terms of past game experience so I can’t say with any conviction that it couldn’t or wouldn’t happen.

Hu is very capable as Scum. I’m assuming you don’t know her like I do (10+ alts included). She once counter-claimed a Cop with a claimed guilty on her and got his ass launched.

What are your alts?

You know I’m not going to share that.

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

[Dannflor]

I've started playing the Outer Wilds DLC and it's a blast

outer wilds is my favorite game ever

[Hu Tao]

And don’t get quiet on me now, Hu. I know you’re still here.

I wasn't but I am now

…with nothing to say, eh?

I don't think there is much to say. Naerys is still the same. I think Klick is being reflective, and giving good examples of why he was feeling the way he was and they make sense. I've never played with him where he was scum but it is all lining up for him to be town

[Dannflor]

I think i’d rather not kill hu tao or naerys today

[Hu Tao]

I think i’d rather not kill hu tao or naerys today

Why not Naerys?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: geraint

[KayJayQueue]

I’m not sure I hear those fingers typing, Naerys.

Why is this so funny to me lol

[Dannflor]

I think i’d rather not kill hu tao or naerys today

Why not Naerys?

I think her frustration seems genuine

[Klick]

Klick where do you sit currently on Hu?

TL, T, N, SL, S?

Strongest townread that isn't you