Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Random Nurse]

Could it be Naerys, Psyche, Klick?

*makes measuring gestures with hands*

what is wrong with the notascum wagon to you?

I mean the guy only posted FIVE times what you mean?

[geraintm]

Gera, if I showed you examples of Day 1s where scum are caught and eliminated based on D1 content, would you reconsider that belief

No

[Random Nurse]

OK OK OK stop, why do you want focus shifted over onto NAS who has five posts?

We've got Naerys contradicting herself and refusing to respond to basic questions and you want me to focus on some random with five posts instead?

Please, OH PLEASE, tell me where the sauce is?

[KayJayQueue]

Were launching Naerys today.

I want to see some consolidation in these random failwagons, people.

Hypothetically, we eliminate Naerys and she’s town. Does that mean the day after, there’s going to be a pile on Hu Tao? Obviously things can happen at night that might give us info but I just don’t want this to bounce back to Hu if we are wrong about Naerys. Hu Tao is someone I am feeling is town, moreso than most at the moment.

But I still need to contemplate the other end of the hypothetical where Naerys is scum. I’ll get back to that.

[Psyche]

only posting 5 times is not a town tell

[Psyche]

OK OK OK stop, why do you want focus shifted over onto NAS who has five posts?

because NAS is scum. i'll quote why if you want!

[Random Nurse]

only posting 5 times is not a town tell

And you had better have something of substance within those five dank posts that outweighs all the shady shenanigans coming out of Naerys today.

[Aristeia]

i'll quote why if you want!

pls do

[Psyche]

We've got Naerys contradicting herself and refusing to respond to basic questions

these aren't scumtells. so i don't really care. why do you?

[Random Nurse]

OK OK OK stop, why do you want focus shifted over onto NAS who has five posts?

because NAS is scum. i'll quote why if you want!

OH, OKAY.

Sell me on those 5 posts.

My patience is SO READY.

[Psyche]

i'll quote why if you want!

pls do

oh cmon i literally did this like one page ago

[Aristeia]

I suffer from short term memory loss

[Naerys]

Anyone has popcorn?

[Psyche]

the page provides an entire system for classifying self-votes and explains in detail how each type of self vote could come from scum

or

from town.

then the only sentence from which it can be gleaned that anyone thinks self-voting is a scumtell is:
"While this practice is commonly seen as scum-indicative, no data has been compiled on the actual effectiveness of self-voting as a towntell or a scumtell."
this is arguably the most disapproving way that a writer could conceivably share that information without openly abandoning wikipedia's editorial guidelines

but someone clinging to the mafia wiki for dear life took the exact opposite message home?
it does not pass the smell test

also it's not the pulling out the wiki that's scummy
it's the fiction that the slot decided to vote hu tao based on the content of that wiki

VOTE: notascum

i think this is it, the easy D1 slam dunk that even this town deserves
i will try really hard not to be too obnoxious about how shitty every other wagon is by comparison

I mentioned self-vote on its own doesn't mean much. But when you've this possible scum who jumped on the RN train and then a train starts forming on them, they could use the self-vote to subdue it.

is just really wild to read when the vote for hu tao was in this post:

I'm so confident Naerys flips scum this game. Eliminate me and vote her out tomorrow. I agree with this.

VOTE: hu tao

She's contradicting herself. She does this as scum. She literally I'd saying the thing she did as town last game is now scummy when I do it.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Self-voting

VOTE: Hu Tao

here's a deal for you RN:
tell me why you think notascum voted for hu tao and i'll give naeyrs attention for like a full hour or page whichever's longest

[davesaz]

Even if you don't remember the posts, Psyche's case on NAS has been posted at least twice and probably 3 or 4 times and it's trivially easy to find.
If what you want is more explanation of why it's a good case, then ask the right question.

[Random Nurse]

We've got Naerys contradicting herself and refusing to respond to basic questions

these aren't scumtells. so i don't really care. why do you?

Protip: don't tell ME what scumtells are or aren't.

I've played this game long enough (over 13 years) to know that alignment tells are about as useful as meta, since Town and Scum both know how to manipulate them.

Contradictions of one's own words show lack of consistency, and lack of consistency is a red flag. Likewise, avoiding questions and refusing to answer questions are major red flags, especially when Town is actively Scumhunting and Town should be as forthright, open, and honest as possible because they have nothing to hide, right?

When someone's not being consistent and refusing to play ball when it comes to Scumhunting that to me is blood in the water.

[Psyche]

naerys has self-voted. to convince me she should be scumread and not nullread i'm gonna need to give me evidence that makes it more likely that she's not just a VI. self-contradictions and not answering questions are just more VI crimes.

[Psyche]

will be a lot of egg on your face if she flips town after this "I have over 300 confirmed kills" deal...

[Klick]

Random Nurse, do you want to convince me that Naerys is scum, or do you want to keep making vague potshots about how I'm not following your agenda without engaging with my posts asking you to elaborate?

[davesaz]

Going after LHF and white knighting are a powerful combination. Have you pocketed anyone this game?

[Random Nurse]

1) I should really be sleeping right now and getting up in 6 hours.

2) Part of me is starting to gut read Psyche as Town but he's just wrong on NAS.

3) I'll take another look at NAS's posts.

4) I still feel that Naerys is Scum and that af least two Scum partners are trying to redirect my attention away from her.

5) I strongly believe one of Naerys/Hu is Scum.

[Random Nurse]

Going after LHF and white knighting are a powerful combination. Have you pocketed anyone this game?

Who is this directed towards?

[davesaz]

Going after LHF and white knighting are a powerful combination. Have you pocketed anyone this game?

Who is this directed towards?

Not you.

[Psyche]

i just wanna know why you think im wrong on nas it can't really just be because he has 5 posts right aw ok ill be patient

[Psyche]

hmm what is lhf