Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: kayjayqueue

I don't see this at all

I think if naerys and hu tao are town v town then KJQ very much fits the profile of scum i am expecting

I think her tone has been decently towny but i think her posts are much more driven by fear of optics than fear of being wrong

I’ve said it a few times that I’m fine eliminating Naerys, I had a vote on her and only took it off because I didn’t want the day to end without more discussion. I don’t have a town read on her and I think it’s our best option currently. I just don’t want to turn around and watch us also get rid of Hu if naerys turns out to be town. Because that IS one of my stronger town reads right now. And it feels to me like that’s where it would be headed if that is the case.

[Psyche]

also i want to underscore how unbelievable it should be for someone treating the wiki like a scumhunting bible to then completely miss its central theme!
someone that attached to the wiki as a guidepost should not then also be capable of so stridently misreading every word in a page they link from it!

What you don't seem to be making any attempt to explain, is how do you distinguish inexperience from scum in this case?
<discounting the possibility of alt, of course>

Are you asking how I am distinguishing "notascum lied" from "notascum misread the wiki"?

Do you think I'm defending NAS, or questioning your alignment?

I think you've been consistently evading the work of sorting NAS.

[davesaz]

I think you've been consistently evading the work of sorting NAS

My read is explicitly null, insufficient data, and I'm making no effort to hide that.

[davesaz]

geraintm is null for the same reason btw.

[Psyche]

I think you've been consistently evading the work of sorting NAS

My read is explicitly null, insufficient data, and I'm making no effort to hide that.

sure! but then that means you have work to do, right?

[Psyche]

im saying i doubt you're genuinely trying to do it

[davesaz]

Nothing to do until there are more posts.

[Psyche]

Nothing to do until there are more posts.

20 pages so far. and you're still on klick

[KayJayQueue]

Does anyone else feel the same way as psyche on this subject? I’d like another voice to chime in if there is something we’re missing.

[Hu Tao]

the page provides an entire system for classifying self-votes and explains in detail how each type of self vote could come from scum

or

from town.

then the only sentence from which it can be gleaned that anyone thinks self-voting is a scumtell is:
"While this practice is commonly seen as scum-indicative, no data has been compiled on the actual effectiveness of self-voting as a towntell or a scumtell."
this is arguably the most disapproving way that a writer could conceivably share that information without openly abandoning wikipedia's editorial guidelines

but someone clinging to the mafia wiki for dear life took the exact opposite message home?
it does not pass the smell test

also it's not the pulling out the wiki that's scummy
it's the fiction that the slot decided to vote hu tao based on the content of that wiki

VOTE: notascum

i think this is it, the easy D1 slam dunk that even this town deserves
i will try really hard not to be too obnoxious about how shitty every other wagon is by comparison

While I do think they could be scum, I want to hear their response. That's why I think a vig there is better if there is one

[Hu Tao]

but someone clinging to the mafia wiki for dear life took the exact opposite message home?
it does not pass the smell test

I think I mentioned before that HT jumping on RN wagon looked opportunistic. Couple that with that self-vote, it looks really scummy.

Okay yeah this is scum. Then why post the link? What was the point of that? You voted when you posted the link

[Hu Tao]

Why would my confidence crumble if I'm scum and I successfully miseliminate you

bcz scum has to keep up some appearances, if you´d remain confident after being so obviously "wrong" it´d be suspicious
so obviously your confidence will have to crumble even if for the spectators

this seems really contrived

VOTE: Naerys

What are your thoughts on other people this game that don't include me or Naerys

I feel like I’ve been asking this same question to a brick wall all day

[davesaz]

im saying i doubt you're genuinely trying to do it

Nothing to do until there are more posts.

20 pages so far. and you're still on klick

Unrelated to NAS. If you read my posts you'll see I'm working on plenty of stuff.

[Hu Tao]

I mentioned self-vote on its own doesn't mean much. But when you've this possible scum who jumped on the RN train and then a train starts forming on them, they could use the self-vote to subdue it.

is just really wild to read when the vote for hu tao was in this post:

I'm so confident Naerys flips scum this game. Eliminate me and vote her out tomorrow. I agree with this.

VOTE: hu tao

She's contradicting herself. She does this as scum. She literally I'd saying the thing she did as town last game is now scummy when I do it.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Self-voting

VOTE: Hu Tao

Yep!

[Hu Tao]

Could it be Naerys, Psyche, Klick?

*makes measuring gestures with hands*

I think psyche and Klick are prob town. I think we look elsewhere. Aren't you sus of NAS?

[Random Nurse]

Could it be Naerys, Psyche, Klick?

*makes measuring gestures with hands*

I think psyche and Klick are prob town. I think we look elsewhere. Aren't you sus of NAS?

Not at all.

Insultingly flimsy "reasoning" was given.

[Psyche]

im saying i doubt you're genuinely trying to do it

Nothing to do until there are more posts.

20 pages so far. and you're still on klick

Unrelated to NAS. If you read my posts you'll see I'm working on plenty of stuff.

yah yah. you've got time, and i might be wrong about you at least.

[Hu Tao]

LHF is low hanging fruit, ie easy targets.

naeyrs is the low hanging fruit. or maybe hu tao. either of the self-voters are hanging pretty low

I don't consider either to be LHF, especially Hu. Naerys, when Town, does engage when sufficiently motivated.

I feel like Nae gets frustrated easily, especially when erroneously scum read, and kinda puts up that wall.

Tbf though, I don't think I have seen her scum game

She's done this as scum too. I've posted the link in the thread already

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: psyche

Terrible vote

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: kayjayqueue

Even worse vote. Holy bad vote. This almost makes me want to vote you

[Psyche]

can someone who cares about setups give me a rough guess of how many scum there are this time? complex doesn't have a set number for 13 players right?

[Psyche]

ill assume 3 whatever

[Random Nurse]

Perhaps for now we should hunt within the five on my failwagon?

I would bet $$$ there's at least one Scum on it.

[Hu Tao]

I think Aristeia should be given more scrutiny.

Yeah I agree

[Random Nurse]

can someone who cares about setups give me a rough guess of how many scum there are this time? complex doesn't have a set number for 13 players right?

I'm always assuming a minimum of 3 in a 13.