Mini Normal 2326 | Everything has exploded !

[Naerys]

I'm okay with voting Luca or maybe naerys.

kk Hu is probably town here

She had Luca as town early on and the other is herself so help me understand how this warranted a TR?

Its a joke between Hu and me
She often scumreads me at earlier stages of game when she is town

What about you and Luca?
Why do you even think he is scum?

looking at Grack wagon, i TRed Dart and Ninja which meant that atleast 1 scum is in Luca/Hu
and Luca is the one who looks much worse during the whole game

[Vivax]

2.14

Oatsmaster (6) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys / gob

[Execution !]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

.

Maybe I just clear Hu and Darth from this and go for Naerys and Luca.

[Hu Tao]

2.9 (no changes)

Gob (4) :

Naerys / outoforder / DarthPunk / Hu Tao

[Exe-2]

Oatsmaster (4) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / gob

[Exe-2]

Luca Blight (2) :

oatsmaster / Vivax

Not Voting (1):

Grackaroni

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

.

I think this was important too. Do we think scum bussed here?

[Vivax]

Or maybe we do the opposite and it's DP and Hu Tao hamstering cred.
It's complicated.

[Hu Tao]

Hmm. Would vivax really change his mind this much as scum, idk. I think I prefer Luca now

[Hu Tao]

I'm curious on DPs thoughts too

[Vivax]

I'd just give DP the win here if he's mafia.

Luca/Naerys looks good as a guess to me atm.
It's only rational their pairings would include each other + one townie which they have to push but not too obviously.

[Luca Blight]

The fact everyone is happy to eliminate me should raise some alarm bells.

[Luca Blight]

Hmm. Would vivax really change his mind this much as scum, idk. I think I prefer Luca now

So that means you think I'm scum with Naerys, then?

[Luca Blight]

I'd just give DP the win here if he's mafia.

Luca/Naerys looks good as a guess to me atm.
It's only rational their pairings would include each other + one townie which they have to push but not too obviously.

If I'm scum with Naerys then why would I not eliminate you yesterday?

Darth hard-defended you yesterday while hard-scumreading Grack, Ninja wanted you dead, and Ninja was always going to be the NK.

Think about that for a moment.

[Vivax]

I'd just give DP the win here if he's mafia.

Luca/Naerys looks good as a guess to me atm.
It's only rational their pairings would include each other + one townie which they have to push but not too obviously.

If I'm scum with Naerys then why would I not eliminate you yesterday?

Darth hard-defended you yesterday while hard-scumreading Grack, Ninja wanted you dead, and Ninja was always going to be the NK.

Think about that for a moment.

If you are town, DP and Hu Tao or DP and Naerys is what you should be looking at.

Me vs Grack was TvT so it doesn‘t really force scums hand.

[Vivax]

The more I think about this game the less I believe I know.

But do I want to believe that the Oats wagon only had gob as scum in it ?

[Luca Blight]

I am looking at that - I was just explaining why me/Naerys wouldn't make sense strategically, as if I was scum with Naerys then I would have just eliminated you yesterday. After Grack's flip I was always going to be the one under fire today.

[Luca Blight]

The more I think about this game the less I believe I know.

But do I want to believe that the Oats wagon only had gob as scum in it ?

Town were hard-pushing that wagon (namely me and Grack, also Dann from what I remember) so scum didn't have to be present on the wagon.

Generally scum will avoid being on the mislim wagons where possible. Gob was on borrowed time as it was so it doesn't surprise me that he would be on the wagon.

[Luca Blight]

Alright everyone, unvote me temporarily. I have an announcement to make.

I am the Tracker. I tracked Naerys last night and she didn’t visit anyone.

This is why i was originally suspicious of Hu Tao’s scumclaim.

This is either scum saying they visited their partner, who will not counter their claim, or Gob actually did role-check Naerys n1. I admit the latter seems more likely, which increases the chance of Hu Tao being scum.

[Luca Blight]

It's quite possible that Hu Tao, knowing Naerys is vanilla, would then proceed to pocket her based on their past games together.

I'm going to look into the possibility of Hu Tao/Vivax.

[Luca Blight]

Just a mental note to also look into Darth/Naerys, as that was something that occurred to me earlier in the game.

About to continue work now so will be on again later.

[Hu Tao]

The fact everyone is happy to eliminate me should raise some alarm bells.

True. What do you think so far?

[Hu Tao]

Alright everyone, unvote me temporarily. I have an announcement to make.

I am the Tracker. I tracked Naerys last night and she didn’t visit anyone.

This is why i was originally suspicious of Hu Tao’s scumclaim.

This is either scum saying they visited their partner, who will not counter their claim, or Gob actually did role-check Naerys n1. I admit the latter seems more likely, which increases the chance of Hu Tao being scum.

Then you think Dann just died for no reason? Also I'm the one who put him at e-1 earlier. And vivax unvoted.

[Hu Tao]

I'm not really following page 135 and 136

Okay then. Let's see if this helps

VOTE: gob

E-1

It strikes me that gob really wants to survive more than solve in this game.

UNVOTE:

I prefer another day where we can discuss both of them at E-2.

Many asleep rn

This is making me lean vivax again. If they weren't unvoted it would have given more time OoO to see Gobs claim. Makes me think that he did it on purpose to give gob more time

[Luca Blight]

Alright everyone, unvote me temporarily. I have an announcement to make.

I am the Tracker. I tracked Naerys last night and she didn’t visit anyone.

This is why i was originally suspicious of Hu Tao’s scumclaim.

This is either scum saying they visited their partner, who will not counter their claim, or Gob actually did role-check Naerys n1. I admit the latter seems more likely, which increases the chance of Hu Tao being scum.

Then you think Dann just died for no reason? Also I'm the one who put him at e-1 earlier. And vivax unvoted.

I think Dann died because of his

'Ninja is my strongest townread'

comment. Scum probably assumed he had a inno result.

Dann is also a decent player as well, which could be another reason.

[DarthPunk]

I’m around now for a couple of hours.

I’ve been following the thread but I want to re read a bit and catch up properly.

ATM I Think HT+Luca is the most likely.

[DarthPunk]

Vivax you have called basically everyone mafia again.

Can you give me a better sense of what you are thinking?

[DarthPunk]

And who do you think are the 2 scum then?

Two of you/Vivax/Naerys. Right now I would guess you and Naerys.

Of course, it could be Darth, but if so then gg because there's no turning that around at this stage.

This is literally everyone in the game.

Who are your top 2? No hedging.

[DarthPunk]

From my perspective, I feel I have to bet the game on Darth being town or there is no chance of winning anyway in this gamestate.

I'm suspicious of Hu Tao for the

'scum is definitely in Grack/Vivax/Luca'

, even more so now she is doubling-down following grack's flip, so will probably end up voting her today unless she can justify that statement.

I don't know why everyone seems to assume Naerys is town.

I explained yesterday. I think this is Naerys town game. And dp and gob are likely not aligned. Why do you think Naerys is scum?

I see nothing to suggest Naerys isn't scum. Why are you so sure she is town? And please don't say 'dumbtell'.

From my perspective at least you or her has to be scum.

I've played with Naerys quite a bit. And when she makes sense she is town.

Also the way you're phrasing this, you're saying me or Naerys which means you think vivax is scum. Yet you said you'd vote me

What has Nerys said specifically that makes you think she is town?

I'm suspicious that you're not even considering you might be wrong when we're in melo. I TR Darth but would be considering him, if not for the gamestate being as it is.

Have to do some work now.

What do you mean by game state?