Why can't he just join in with Luca and yell at me and mislim me if he is mafia, Like he definitely could have done that and chose to re-evaluate.In post 3382, Oatsmaster wrote:Eh I find that pretty nai because it’s a neutral way of observing the game. How we play has nothing to do with our alignment. At least with what he described.In post 3380, DarthPunk wrote:Do you think dann could fake the introspection and adjustment to his approach with the TL players this game?In post 3379, Vivax wrote: Ergo Dannflor is mafia, cause he ignores that, votes Oats, but still should rather vote DP if he was town adhering to his stated beliefs.
The gob vote was a distancing attempt.
I found that really townie to be honest.
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I'd like to see dann's response to this.In post 3383, Vivax wrote:
I don't know about that but he should form the two following thoughts:In post 3380, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you think dann could fake the introspection and adjustment to his approach with the TL players this game?In post 3379, Vivax wrote: Ergo Dannflor is mafia, cause he ignores that, votes Oats, but still should rather vote DP if he was town adhering to his stated beliefs.
The gob vote was a distancing attempt.
I found that really townie to be honest.
Are these wagons town on town?
He voted gob previously so clearly he doesn't think that.
If he thought gob was mafia, why vote Oats who was just coming around to vote gob (unless he assumed that was a setup for a bus)?
If Oats isn't bussing he can only be partnered with you, so if he thinks gob is the mafia being wagoned, how can he ever suspect Oats for prepping a vote on him?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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This is a good pointIn post 3400, DarthPunk wrote:
Why can't he just join in with Luca and yell at me and mislim me if he is mafia, Like he definitely could have done that and chose to re-evaluate.In post 3382, Oatsmaster wrote:
Eh I find that pretty nai because it’s a neutral way of observing the game. How we play has nothing to do with our alignment. At least with what he described.In post 3380, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you think dann could fake the introspection and adjustment to his approach with the TL players this game?In post 3379, Vivax wrote: Ergo Dannflor is mafia, cause he ignores that, votes Oats, but still should rather vote DP if he was town adhering to his stated beliefs.
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Cause compared to you and most other players i've done about 10x more with half the posts.In post 3357, Oatsmaster wrote:
Okay that’s fine and all but why did you just act like it was absurd for me to say that your day 1 was bad?In post 3356, gob wrote:
Saying i contributed "basically nothing" is more of a figure of speech because i wanted to do more day 1. But basically I spent day 1 splitting the game into smaller chunks like i always do. I also try to open people up for others to read them. Because i can't read everyone well but i can interact with everyone and create favorable situations.In post 3353, Oatsmaster wrote:
Idk gob what did you do day 1?In post 2217, gob wrote: I had a sad post written out but i deleted it. Basically i am not feeling like doing anything and tomorrow, i got the DENTIST and then therapy and then i gotta work and i really got a lotta shit to do so i will be not-at-a-computer for the next 36 hours.
Anywho, I know i hVe contributed basically nothing. I am coming out and saying, its nkt happening for 36 hours so do with that what you will.
Anyways im not gonna lie, i feel like the reason I haven't been as engaged in this game is because of you oats, ninja, darthpunk, etc. No offense of course.
hell noIn post 3372, Vivax wrote: Had a brain fart there and thought Luca was elsewhere.
At least I can bin the Grack + you scenario now. If he was bussing he would have unbussed by now.
Gob, what do you say?
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Okay then. Let's see if this helps
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In post 2884, gob wrote: DarthPunk I haven't like their posts as I explained before. I do like their Hu Tao vote today though.
Why did you like dp's vote in the earlier post but then say that it doesnt make sense for hu tao to be mafia doing what she did in the later post?In post 2895, gob wrote:
If hu Tao is town fakeclaiming, then they would claim a redcheck on someone they find scummy, usually. Its possible Hu Tao is running cover though.In post 2892, Oatsmaster wrote:
What about if Hu Tao was not a cop?In post 2881, gob wrote:
It just doesn't make sense why a cop would out if they dont have a redcheck. There is no reason to out otherwise. The way Hu Tao played day 1 though does make more sense though.In post 2880, Oatsmaster wrote:
I don’t know gob, why don’t you tell me your best guessIn post 2878, gob wrote: Wait a second, so Hu Tao basically outted but didn't have a red check?
Why would they do that?
If Hu Tao is mafia fakeclaiming, then it also doesnt really make sense since it puts a target on her back unnecessarily.
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I really wanna poke back at this. Is it so unreasonable to view your actions as trying to out a counter claim?In post 2824, Hu Tao wrote:
In what world was I trying to out a counterclaim. Why do you always try to twist whatever I'm doing?In post 2795, DarthPunk wrote: Can anyone explain to me why ht trying to out a counterclaim is something a townie would do?
That’s the second super scummy thing she has done this game , it’s crazy to me how she is just written off as town.
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In post 2764, Hu Tao wrote: Top town
Dannflor, SuperfluousNinja, outoforder
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Vivax, Grackaroni
Null
DarthPunk, Gob, Naerys
Leaning
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Luca Blight
I'd say these are my overall tiers. I could move gob and naerys down if they don't do anything. DP I'm unsure how to read. Idk if scum would just pretty much try to Elim me over every little thing, I think could just be tunneled but unsure.In post 2765, Hu Tao wrote:
Nah. I think I got clarified on a few reads like vivax, oats, grack and Luca.In post 2761, outoforder wrote:
nothing ofc.In post 2759, Hu Tao wrote: What am I supposed to gather from gob and naerys when they basically said nothing from my claim
but the question is what are you supposed to gather from your (fake)claim?
So far you have gathered nothing afaik?
Imo it made Luca way worse for me. But I know you all scumread him heavily yesterday.
Can you explain your read progression from Luca firm mafia to voting to yeet Luca's target?In post 3217, Hu Tao wrote:
Gob, Oats maybe Luca. I definitely liked Luca more in the catchup than dp for sure though.In post 3216, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 3215, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I'm caught up. I'm for a DP vote. I'm unsure the vote count right now since it was wrong earlier
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Yes. But even after saying that, DP still stated he thinks I was trying to out cop. Maybe he missed the post but seems weirdIn post 3410, Oatsmaster wrote:
I really wanna poke back at this. Is it so unreasonable to view your actions as trying to out a counter claim?In post 2824, Hu Tao wrote:
In what world was I trying to out a counterclaim. Why do you always try to twist whatever I'm doing?In post 2795, DarthPunk wrote: Can anyone explain to me why ht trying to out a counterclaim is something a townie would do?
That’s the second super scummy thing she has done this game , it’s crazy to me how she is just written off as town.
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Luca's catchup and back and forth with dp was better than dp. Which is why I voted dp instead earlierIn post 3411, Oatsmaster wrote:In post 2764, Hu Tao wrote: Top town
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I'd say these are my overall tiers. I could move gob and naerys down if they don't do anything. DP I'm unsure how to read. Idk if scum would just pretty much try to Elim me over every little thing, I think could just be tunneled but unsure.In post 2765, Hu Tao wrote:
Nah. I think I got clarified on a few reads like vivax, oats, grack and Luca.In post 2761, outoforder wrote:
nothing ofc.In post 2759, Hu Tao wrote: What am I supposed to gather from gob and naerys when they basically said nothing from my claim
but the question is what are you supposed to gather from your (fake)claim?
So far you have gathered nothing afaik?
Imo it made Luca way worse for me. But I know you all scumread him heavily yesterday.
Can you explain your read progression from Luca firm mafia to voting to yeet Luca's target?In post 3217, Hu Tao wrote:
Gob, Oats maybe Luca. I definitely liked Luca more in the catchup than dp for sure though.In post 3216, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 3215, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I'm caught up. I'm for a DP vote. I'm unsure the vote count right now since it was wrong earlier
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Can you tell me what you thought of my summary of Nearys from a while ago, I see you still have her as mafia and I don't think that is right.In post 3415, SuperfluousNinja wrote: I'm more than happy to hammer Gob when the time comes, FYI."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Why was it better? What made luca more townie than dp? I need specificsIn post 3413, Hu Tao wrote:
Luca's catchup and back and forth with dp was better than dp. Which is why I voted dp instead earlierIn post 3411, Oatsmaster wrote:In post 2764, Hu Tao wrote: Top town
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I'd say these are my overall tiers. I could move gob and naerys down if they don't do anything. DP I'm unsure how to read. Idk if scum would just pretty much try to Elim me over every little thing, I think could just be tunneled but unsure.In post 2765, Hu Tao wrote:
Nah. I think I got clarified on a few reads like vivax, oats, grack and Luca.In post 2761, outoforder wrote:
nothing ofc.In post 2759, Hu Tao wrote: What am I supposed to gather from gob and naerys when they basically said nothing from my claim
but the question is what are you supposed to gather from your (fake)claim?
So far you have gathered nothing afaik?
Imo it made Luca way worse for me. But I know you all scumread him heavily yesterday.
Can you explain your read progression from Luca firm mafia to voting to yeet Luca's target?In post 3217, Hu Tao wrote:
Gob, Oats maybe Luca. I definitely liked Luca more in the catchup than dp for sure though.In post 3216, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 3215, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I'm caught up. I'm for a DP vote. I'm unsure the vote count right now since it was wrong earlier
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How exactly did his explanation make his initial posting "okay"In post 3414, Hu Tao wrote: He also explained his reaction which I initially didn't like which I thought was okay-
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Can you tell me what you thought of my summary of Nearys from a while ago, I see you still have her as mafia and I don't think that is right.In post 3415, SuperfluousNinja wrote: I'm more than happy to hammer Gob when the time comes, FYI.
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Got it. I see it now.
Re: the first point about Luca being "defensive" in response to Hu Tao's gambit, that's not entirely accurate. Here's the first thing Luca said after Hu Tao suggested they had a guilty:
In post 2597, Luca Blight wrote: Why are people voting me when Hu Tao said she has a guilty on someone?
I'm going to be busy most of today so won't be around much.
Even though he's referring to himself, the intent here seems to be a lot more about why people are starting a wagon when we anticipate an investigator guilty read later. And that's a totally legitimate question to ask.
As for the stuff about Naerys not knowing everything that happened with Roden, yes, that makes her less likely to be scum. If anything, I would have expected her to talk to her teammates overnight where all the relevant game info would be discussed. But we can't rule out the possibility that she's playing some 4D chess with us and intentionally acting like she has no idea what is going on in order to make us feel this way. But like...I admit that's less likely.
My scum pool is Naerys / Gob / Grack / Oats. Obviously I'm wrong about at least 1 of them. Naerys is the only one of the four voting for someone else in that pool, so based on votes alone, that certainly suggests that she's the one I'm wrong about here.-
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Have you iso'd your scum reads?In post 3421, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Got it. I see it now.
Re: the first point about Luca being "defensive" in response to Hu Tao's gambit, that's not entirely accurate. Here's the first thing Luca said after Hu Tao suggested they had a guilty:
In post 2597, Luca Blight wrote: Why are people voting me when Hu Tao said she has a guilty on someone?
I'm going to be busy most of today so won't be around much.
Even though he's referring to himself, the intent here seems to be a lot more about why people are starting a wagon when we anticipate an investigator guilty read later. And that's a totally legitimate question to ask.
As for the stuff about Naerys not knowing everything that happened with Roden, yes, that makes her less likely to be scum. If anything, I would have expected her to talk to her teammates overnight where all the relevant game info would be discussed. But we can't rule out the possibility that she's playing some 4D chess with us and intentionally acting like she has no idea what is going on in order to make us feel this way. But like...I admit that's less likely.
My scum pool is Naerys / Gob / Grack / Oats. Obviously I'm wrong about at least 1 of them. Naerys is the only one of the four voting for someone else in that pool, so based on votes alone, that certainly suggests that she's the one I'm wrong about here."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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In post 3299, Dannflor wrote:
the whole luca contradicted himself by saying ninja's posts reflects his thoughts on the game almost entirely thing does nothing for meIn post 3285, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you think the same things that myself and ooo have noticed are untrue? not alignment indicative?In post 3282, Dannflor wrote: gun to head i think luca is town
the most compelling points to me were about luca seeming passive and being content with the gamestate and overly reasonably
i'm not really seeing the latter anymore
as i said the former does nothing for me
I'm just a little confused about your read progression on me.
You seemed to predominantly townread me on D1, despite some of the more passive and reasonable behaviour that you mentioned. You say you're not seeing that behaviour anymore, so why do you seem so conflicted in your read on me currently?
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