Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

wdahdadwadwawhdiahdawidoawhdwa

[JacksonVirgo]

ego

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh shit

[JacksonVirgo]

let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nuh uh

[JacksonVirgo]

let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nuh uh

any particular reason you dont wanna go scumhunting jackson?

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

[JacksonVirgo]

No biggie, sure you can understand

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like I’m posting too much, sorry

Leave some posts for the rest of us, damnnnn

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like I’m posting too much, sorry

Leave some posts for the rest of us, damnnnn

I tried to but noone told me if they would prefer to be a horse or a dung beetle

Very tragic

Dung beetle sized horse would be cute

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: ketchup

[JacksonVirgo]

Completely unrelated

[JacksonVirgo]

How’s your first scum game going?

[JacksonVirgo]

anyway, where’s Arko? confirmed a while ago but nothing here

How do you know when they specifically confirmed? Also game just started be patient

[JacksonVirgo]

you're my top acupressure at the moment

[JacksonVirgo]

last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

You seem to default to the assumption the difference is with you?

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok, Black is Town. We love that

[JacksonVirgo]

this is a new all-time high number votes on me I think hence marking an all-time low as a townie

*surprised meow*

How’s your first scum game going?

haha (:

i am terrified for a future game where I have to replicate my playstyle as scum lmao

I massively dislike these two posts, if I were to try and put it into words it feels like they're trying to seperate themselves from the accusations and appear nonchalant about them but it's affecting them nonetheless.

[JacksonVirgo]

last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

You seem to default to the assumption the difference is with you?

am I being dumb? what’s the alternative? if you saw me in a new light, it was probably something I did

Do you not know why Black asked if you thought I was town?

[JacksonVirgo]

My god, this headache is blowing my brains out

[JacksonVirgo]

mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?

What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok, Black is Town. We love that

Why am I town

Cuz you're Black

[JacksonVirgo]

I always happen to TR you

[JacksonVirgo]

But it's because you seem to be on a similar wavelength than I am, I should have actually asked a little more before assuming you town but eh too late

[JacksonVirgo]

I always happen to TR you

But you've been wrong about me twice very recently. Why are you not concerned that you could be wrong again?

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Early days

[JacksonVirgo]

Even if you’re a wolfy and making up your sus on me, I expected you to suspect that I would probably cross-question you on your reasons for it. so you had to have some 'reasons', reasons which can only have come from my ISO.

Ain't no way

[JacksonVirgo]

Your titus vote wasn't a joke?

[JacksonVirgo]

I also have a slight reluctance to try and sort Jackson until necessary

Why?

[JacksonVirgo]

Guys I'm a miller

[JacksonVirgo]

The "you seem to be on a similar wavelength" line in particular feels a lot like it could be fishing

Or, they seemed to be on a similar wavelength. Considering they seemingly caught exactly what I caught, and asked ketchup if they thought I was town because of that discrepency which I then brought up and talked about. Don't kid yourself

[JacksonVirgo]

Ketchup and broccoli better not be scum together because that would be weird shit made in a beaker.

I doubt this pretty substantially, I don't think they would take the direction on me if ketchup was their partner

[JacksonVirgo]

Jacksons confidence he is showing scares me as well, stop being scary.

What's new?

[JacksonVirgo]

I think that was all I wanted to comment on

[JacksonVirgo]

Peace, gonna watch some Shameless and then come back later. Cya

[JacksonVirgo]

the top suspects in no particular order: Black, JacksonVirgo, Ranger, Koba, Titus

Elaborate on Black, Ranger and especially myself considering you just said that you had no read on me

[JacksonVirgo]

Feels awfully opportunistic considering the general view on Black and I

[JacksonVirgo]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

[JacksonVirgo]

It feels like you're attacking small inconsistencies in specifically my posts, and I think you're tunneling. Whether that's scum or bad play I'm not sure, but between the traitor!Jackson theory and the mafia!Jackson+Ranger theories you can stay at the top for now.

It should feel like I'm doing that, because I am. I am seeing discrepancies in your play and I am calling them out. I'm not tunnelled, I scum-read you and there's a massive difference. I've seen many posts of yours that I would deem townie purely by tone but that does not outweigh the reasons I'm scum-reading you by any degree so I'm not harping on about them.

In your head, you cannot seem to see if my play is townie or scummy. So it's essentially NAI in your head and yet I'm in your top wolf pile because of random tinfoil theories you have with me and other slots? Assuming a traitor before anything else and then throwing me in a scum pool because of it. Right around the time people started pivoting to throwing my name out (and Blacks for that matter), and after you said you had nothing so you seem to be wanting to scum-read me but have nothing because you need to stay consistent and this is what you come up with. It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and this is a consistent behaviour with you this game.

[JacksonVirgo]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Zzz

[JacksonVirgo]

I couldn't care less about being in there, I'm saying the reasons you put me in it is scummy. Don't even

[JacksonVirgo]

Your playstyle is similar to last time, but I have probably been biased by your being on me. The fact that I am town is info to me that I will use to help base my reads, but I'll try to avoid saying it as much this game

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure ok. I'd rather focus on other people for now, I think focusing on you is going to end up more of a waste of time than a help for anyone

I'm literally pushing you, the hell?

[JacksonVirgo]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but

who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

Bolded for emphasis. What do you call who knows if not fencesitting?

[JacksonVirgo]

Whoops

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure ok. I'd rather focus on other people for now, I think focusing on you is going to end up more of a waste of time than a help for anyone

I'm literally pushing you, the hell?

And I'm saying I think we've exhausted it now??

Speak for yourself

[JacksonVirgo]

Lmfao, what is this

[JacksonVirgo]

You didn't even remotely respond to what I said, you pop in say that I read like my last game (which is a town game), shade me with a joke and then try and move the conversation away

[JacksonVirgo]

452 is exactly what I just said it was, not responding to what I said. 441 is barely a response, it has so little backbone in it (this goes with everything you've said in regards to this conversation) that it's barely a response at all

[JacksonVirgo]

You scum-read me but then continue to say that I'm like my town game, or that what I'm saying isn't necessarily scummy.

[JacksonVirgo]

wut

[JacksonVirgo]

ok

[JacksonVirgo]

It feels like you're attacking small inconsistencies in specifically my posts, and I think you're tunneling. Whether that's scum or bad play I'm not sure, but between the traitor!Jackson theory and the mafia!Jackson+Ranger theories you can stay at the top for now.

It should feel like I'm doing that, because I am. I am seeing discrepancies in your play and I am calling them out.

I'm not tunnelled, I scum-read you and there's a massive difference.

I've seen many posts of yours that I would deem townie purely by tone but that does not outweigh the reasons I'm scum-reading you by any degree so I'm not harping on about them.

In your head, you cannot seem to see if my play is townie or scummy.

So it's essentially NAI in your head and

yet I'm in your top wolf pile because of random tinfoil theories you have with me and other slots?

Assuming a traitor before anything else

and then throwing me in a scum pool because of it. Right around the time people started pivoting to throwing my name out (and Blacks for that matter), and after you said you had nothing so you seem to be wanting to scum-read me but have nothing because you need to stay consistent and this is what you come up with. It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and

this is a consistent behaviour with you this game.

Being in my 'top wolf pile' shouldn't be too scary. You've seen how wrong I was on some people in the early days last time.

Your playstyle is similar to last time, but I have probably been biased by your being on me. The fact that I am town is info to me that I will use to help base my reads, but I'll try to avoid saying it as much this game

Ok, response attempt 2.

Whether you scumread me or whether you're mafia, you're tunneling me. If you think it's justified, sure you do you (you're wrong tho). But you can't deny you're tunneling me.

Feels like you've got one theory (I'm mafia) and morphing everything to it. I think confbiasing is the appropriate term?

This is true. But the 'unsorted' category was more of a 'not a clue' category, so I have slightly more reasons to put you as mafia than as town, hence the 'top suspects' list which was maybe a bit of a misnomer.

Last time I was only able to really catch OutWorldEr by the fact that he had to be scum in every possible scenario. Obviously there are wayyyyy too many other possible scenarios right now, but, yes, I have 2 theories right now and you're scum in both of them. That's more than 'unsorted'.

I stole the idea off somebody else. Why not go after them?

I thought you said lots of my posts had been townie by tone...(Yes this one's a weak point on my end)

pedit: didn't read any of the posts made after writing this

What do you consider the difference? It's easy to label something as a tunnel when you don't like it. Do that for me.

I've been trying to sort you, seeing scummy things from you that outweight the townie things and thus came to the conclusion you're a wolf. Conf-biasing would be the term if I were conf-biasing which I am not doing, the game is still fresh and I'm making my arguments only for you to immediately try and discount them by labelling them as a tunnel or conf-bias instead of actually acknowledging them.

I will come back to this

Give me your whole scum tier, in order and with reasoning for each even if massively simplified.

Because I'm talking about YOUR reads dude, I don't care who came up with them. You're utilising them to the highest degree

I did because it's true, what does that have to do with what I said there?

[JacksonVirgo]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

Why would scum!JV be panicking here?

there's been some level of suspicion tossed around for their approach so far from a few people

I wouldn't call it panicking though but rather just logical inconsistency.

do you think what they're saying about ketchup is reasonable? Do you think what I'm saying wrt ketchups overall play makes ketchup town, or what?

I'm barely being pressured lmfao, if you think this is going to break me then you're insulting my skill

[JacksonVirgo]

What part of what I'm doing is even remotely inconsistent? What kind of asspull is that

[JacksonVirgo]

blegh

[JacksonVirgo]

Then do that instead of telling me what to do

[JacksonVirgo]

Like, I know you're a player to try and play things optimally (basing off your infrequent comments of my play in a past games spec chat I forget, so if I'm wrong forgive) but I wanna play the way I wanna play. Making these comments aren't going to change what I do, so just do them yourself or you're just wasting your breath

[JacksonVirgo]

Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early

i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)

could be wifom but i think Koba confessing this is towny

It's NAI

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh, back off. I tried to tell you to fuck off respectfully

[JacksonVirgo]

They're telling me my push is shit because they think their way is better, that isn't a minipush.

[JacksonVirgo]

not permanently ignoring your colours post btw just procrastinating

I figured

[JacksonVirgo]

Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early

i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)

could be wifom but i think Koba confessing this is towny

It's NAI

i know you have more experience than me but i'm sure you can't immediately write it off as NAI. lots of things have

some

alignment hint

not permanently ignoring your colours post btw just procrastinating

Comparing experience is a lil silly, I can still be an absolute dumbass but I don't see how that is townie

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

pedit: didn't read any pedits and I refuse to engage any further with you Jackson today.

Are you joking?

[JacksonVirgo]

what? I'm saying both count as tunnelling. If you mean how do you tell the difference between a scum tunnel and a town tunnel, I don't know. Just hope scum slips up a few times and uses flimsy arguments or something I guess.

What do you consider a tunnel is what I am asking

Anyways, why do you keep saying I'm not acknowledging them. I am trying to acknowledge them.

You didn't seem to be when all your responses seemed to come up to is me being tunnelled which isn't talking about what I've been saying. Just throwing them in a bucket which is infuriating to say the least, especially when you keep trying to end the conversation when I'm just trying to get on the same page.

3) bronze medal JV: I don't know. Feels like you're tryharding to get me limmed if you know I might be a threat to you later on. But you're not top of the list.

And what's the difference between pushing my scum-read? If I was so afraid of you, I'd pocket and/or shoot you.

Yes, you're talking about my reads. You're tunneling. I have nothing to hide though so it'll be like policemen banging down my door without a search warrant and then saying that they found a chocolate wrapper under the sofa that means I've committed 7 felonies, 4 heists and 6 kidnappings.

Once again just labelling shit as tunnelling and moving on, jesus fuckin christ.

I meant, if you've "seen many posts of yours that [you] would deem townie purely by tone", it doesn't fully add up with "It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and this is a consistent behaviour with you[Ketchup] this game."

Behaviour and tone are different.

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually infuriating

[JacksonVirgo]

I forgot why I had you list your scum-reads

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok maybe ketchup is town

How so?

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok maybe ketchup is town

How so?

He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?

I am to a degree, but that doesn't mean much on its own. Unless you know how his scum game differs from his town games.

[JacksonVirgo]

This does read like you are really tunnelled on Ketchup

Zzz

Drew is wolf

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh nice

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay I think ketchup actually is Town, not because of 552

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Drew

[JacksonVirgo]

Then by that definition I was not tunnelling you, and what does different views last time have anything to do with pocketing you?

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like a broken record, I was never tunnelled. I scum-read them, I made my arguments and they responded in a way that made it stronger. If having and pushing a read is a tunnel, then everybody who is pushing a scumread is tunnelled.

[JacksonVirgo]

And what I quoted was pretty hard evidence that you aren't listening to anything ketchup is saying and just locking them as scum and moving on.......have you seen their scum game before?

It's not hard evidence at all, I agree that it was similar but I did not agree that it means anything. That has nothing to do with my read on them, I don't know their scum range and just because someone does a particular thing or has a particular behaviour as town doesn't mean they can't as a wolf. I don't see how that's hard evidence of squat.

[JacksonVirgo]

Wasn't that a big to do that you were yet you were saying you weren't?

I also have no idea what u mean here

[JacksonVirgo]

Then by that definition I was not tunnelling you, and what does different views last time have anything to do with pocketing you?

in my opinion at least, you ticked both the 'excessively focussing (ok, a bit of a hyperbole but still) on one person' box and the 'without good reason' box

As to the latter half of your post, I think you'd find it hard to pocket me when you know I am aware of the dangers of siding with you

The dangers

There's more to pocketing than having you side with me

[JacksonVirgo]

Well I consider it just doing anything to appeal to you as a person, as a way to soften your gaze towards me or to push you into a direction I want you to go into.

[JacksonVirgo]

That’s in principle a good thing, it just felt weird that you had got such a strong sense I was scum so early. But it’s okkkkk

Why is it weird? Chances are people are wrong in the early game regardless, that's the game. You being hyperaware of your own alignment may have something to do with that paired with how I show/force confidence, I don't know.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well I consider it just doing anything to appeal to you as a person, as a way to soften your gaze towards me or to push you into a direction I want you to go into.

Aha ok. But yeah, you can try, but i like to think I can survive any charming attempts. You’ve seen how determined on things i will probably get once I start gaining more confidence about people. For now, I am happy to sit back and analyse what others are- wait why do I have a quarter of this games posts

Majority of people think they're better than the majority of people.

[JacksonVirgo]

Not saying what you said isn't true, I don't know but food for thought

[JacksonVirgo]

My god

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m happy to admit there will be lots of people here who are better than me. I just hope im not a manipulatable person. using mafia to find out my inner truths lol

Oh please don't take that as me calling you worse than anybody else, that wasn't what I was getting at (and I absolutely do not mean that)

[JacksonVirgo]

Umm, you have made a big to do, and still are, that you are not tunneled even though you are..... that's what I mean.

Am I high? A big to do?

[JacksonVirgo]

Case in point what I posted, someone else said that this seems like ketchups town game, to which you responded 'you can't say that without comparing to their scum game(paraphrasing here)'. That is a tunneled response.

I even asked you if you have seen their scum game, because just throwing away evidence to someone being town without showing evidence to to contrary shows to me someone who is either severely tunneled as town.......or just simply scum.

So which one are you?

Nope. There's a snuck premise in here that that response is a tunnelled response. It isn't, it's the philosophy I run by. Just because something is done as town, doesn't mean that it isn't done as a wolf and vice versa.

[JacksonVirgo]

Does it align with my reads at the time? Of course it does, but that doesn't mean it was said

because

of my reads.

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m happy to admit there will be lots of people here who are better than me. I just hope im not a manipulatable person. using mafia to find out my inner truths lol

Oh please don't take that as me calling you worse than anybody else, that wasn't what I was getting at (and I absolutely do not mean that)

I just thought you were warning me not to think I’m better than everyone. What were you trying to say?

I'm just saying that you can be more susceptible to things than you think you are.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok maybe ketchup is town

How so?

He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?

I am to a degree, but that doesn't mean much on its own. Unless you know how his scum game differs from his town games.

I think he could be good at faking his town self as scum. Like maybe ketchup realized what it took for him to get a bunch of townreads in the last game and started to emulate that once getting pushed here. I think it's probably more likely he's just town though

Mhm I agree with you, who knows what their scum range is like.

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay I think ketchup actually is Town, not because of 552

Why then?

They don't seem to be deflecting because of my push, the push is seemingly absolutely meaningless to him but instead he's trying to get

me

to be more productive in a way that they seem to truly think that scum-reading them is useless/meaningless and they want to actually do something to progress the game. I don't know how to put this into words properly

[JacksonVirgo]

I hadn’t worked out if I was going to look back at what I did or just go into it as me if I rolled scum, but was glad when my green PM simplified things.

It's posts like these that give me the heebie jeebies

[JacksonVirgo]

You’re not high, I’m equally mystified

Maybe the malpracticing doctor is high

[JacksonVirgo]

Yo Black, why do you have Twilight Princess as a title anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

(Serious answer, people suggested it for me and I accepted it in this thread)

So, you aren't cool like that?

[JacksonVirgo]

Why do I keep accidentally getting pagetops

[JacksonVirgo]

Umm, you have made a big to do, and still are, that you are not tunneled even though you are..... that's what I mean.

Am I high? A big to do?

Is that an American only phrase?

Like making a big stink about something, or making a spectacle over something.

Must be, never heard of that

[JacksonVirgo]

How about, you are making a mountain out of a molehill(not sure if that applies exactly, but I enjoy that phrase lol)

I don't see why I'm not allowed to push what I think is scummy

[JacksonVirgo]

If that's making a big to do, then it's making a big to do. Don't know what to tell you

[JacksonVirgo]

should I keep going are any of you going to actually read this?

I'm reading it

[JacksonVirgo]

How about, you are making a mountain out of a molehill(not sure if that applies exactly, but I enjoy that phrase lol)

I don't see why I'm not allowed to push what I think is scummy

Back to this though. I honestly don't get why everything I seem to is "making a mountain out of a molehill" because from where I'm at I see something scummy, I call it out and I keep going until it gets resolved. I don't understand why that's tunnelling, I don't understand why that's making a big to do ( this phrase sounds so dumb ). I honestly don't get it. I'm just playing the game? The only alternative I see to not do this is to not push people I think are scummy? How is that the right decision? This is like trying to imagine a new colour, I can't even fathom it.

[JacksonVirgo]

If that's making a big to do, then it's making a big to do. Don't know what to tell you

How about, you are making a mountain out of a molehill(not sure if that applies exactly, but I enjoy that phrase lol)

I don't see why I'm not allowed to push what I think is scummy

Yes, push what you see is scummy. I don't understand why you think that is the issue.

I don't understand what the issue is then

[JacksonVirgo]

Umm, you have made a big to do, and still are, that you are not tunneled even though you are..... that's what I mean.

Am I high? A big to do?

Is that an American only phrase?

Like making a big stink about something, or making a spectacle over something.

Whoa I didn't know Jackson was Australian

LMFAO no way

[JacksonVirgo]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

[JacksonVirgo]

Skimmed everything, ketchup feels more towny with every post. Can't tell if JV is tunneled or scum. Either way, yelling about how they're not tunneled just makes them look more tunneled and scummy. Willing to vote there

[JacksonVirgo]

I was hoping for something spicier, but I see nothing wrong with that

I can bathe in hot sauce if you want

[JacksonVirgo]

It was more of an explanation of this post of mine and how tunneled

[JacksonVirgo]

{JacksonVirgo}
{Political Clout}
{DKKoba}
{Doctor Drew}
{Laplacian}
{light_ganski}
{Black}
{Titus}
{ketchup777}
{usesPython}
{Hu Tao}

P3

Yoooo wtf I’m never that high

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh, page 3. Ima still take this is a huge W

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh shit, place ur bets on when it’s gonna drop. I bet fifty bucks on P16 for no reason in particular

[JacksonVirgo]

Yoooo wtf I’m never that high

I admit to recency bias; you exceeded my expectations for what I believe scum-you would be capable of.

I see, what have I done to make you think so?

[JacksonVirgo]

Damn, who needs drugs when u got this

[JacksonVirgo]

Ranger don’t be cruel, pretend he neeeever said that

[JacksonVirgo]

Ranger don’t be cruel, pretend he neeeever said that

I can't believe I just noticed this, but you got rid of Will from your avatar?

I did and I don’t know how I feel about it, I miss him but wanted change

[JacksonVirgo]

I wanted a paleface swiss pfp but couldn’t find one that fit and wasn’t nsfw

[JacksonVirgo]

I wanted a paleface swiss pfp but couldn’t find one that fit and wasn’t nsfw

What was nsfw about them?

The noose?

Couldn’t find any I liked that didn’t have like blood and stuff, but tbf I didn’t look too much all things considered. Obsessed with just noah sebastian and will aint gonna lie. It aint right if it aint them

[JacksonVirgo]

jackson your gifs are making me laugh too much

[JacksonVirgo]

Still can't get over the dude can look as fuckin' whdiuahwdiuahduawhd as my pfp

[JacksonVirgo]

if this was a vc near eod i would likely consolidate into laplacian rn

I wouldn't

[JacksonVirgo]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

why 'actually'? I thought you already thought I was town

I believe they're referring to me being town AND tunnelling moreso than tunnelling someone that is town

[JacksonVirgo]

to save u some time imma clarify that you misread bc they were referring to JV

I mean tbf the context makes this "obvious" but the wording is quite ambiguous

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh no how long are you going to prison for D:

Spat out my drink

[JacksonVirgo]

I think town would be more likely to get high tbh

[JacksonVirgo]

Juuuust a little inconsistency I noticed

Weren't you previously getting all up in my face about talking about small inconsistencies?

[JacksonVirgo]

Why do I keep accidentally getting pagetops

You’re just cool like that


Hi can I get cool points too

You already have more cool points than you can handle

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll drop you to unsorted

My headcanon is that you're dropping me

because

of the gifs.

[JacksonVirgo]

Top two wagons have 4 votes, the rest have one or none. This doesn't feel right

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh god, not that game

[JacksonVirgo]

{JacksonVirgo, ketchup777}

@ketchup

Spoiler: tw: flashy lights

[JacksonVirgo]

Lol, I'll be gone for the weekend as well

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok fair enough, and if everyone else leaves for the weekend, I will still be here lol

You should come join me

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh neat, python is town

[JacksonVirgo]

VLA this weekend

[JacksonVirgo]

good taste in gifs tho

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho

Why would I be mad at a push collapsing? I just pivot

[JacksonVirgo]

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting

Is that your entire reasoning?

[JacksonVirgo]

OMG WHAT IF THIS ISNT A LOVEHEART BUT IS ACTUALLY A LESS THAN 3; LIGHT IS HINTING THAT SHE KNOWS THERE ARE LESS THAN 3 MAFIA WHO KNOW EACH OTHERS IDENTITY

[JacksonVirgo]

Fucking
Dead

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh fuck I love playing with you

[JacksonVirgo]

reads list time

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

Why do you feel the need to specify your agreement with ketchup when the read has nothing to do with that.

How much of a gap is between ganski and ranger

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho

Why would I be mad at a push collapsing? I just pivot

Selfmeta, but fair enough point. I didn't like the your vibes & tone through the arguments, but the more I think of the scum angle there the weaker it gets. Keeping you in the neutral zone though

What didn't you like about the tone? Why are you keeping me in the neutral zone when your reasons to scum-read me get weaker.

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting

Is that your entire reasoning?

Yes, it's content lurking. Shift a few people up and down each page to look like you're active while making sure people you're pushing end up at the bottom. Never have to say any reasons until someone pushes back. Throw in that appeal to authority at the start and you've got a recipe to trivially look town and coast.

I'll give you my insight then, they've done this every single game I've played with them in.

[JacksonVirgo]

Was my thoughts on ketchup as I wrote it. Next time I'll just say wrongtown and leave it at that

L_G I'm feeling confident, strong scum read. Ranger is a scumlean, a solid orange rather than a red

You can say it however you want, just trying to pick your brain.

[JacksonVirgo]

Where was I before the reasons to scum-read me got weaker?

[JacksonVirgo]

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

No biggie, sure you can understand

it's okay i get it, playing to your win condition and all that <3

OMG WHAT IF THIS ISNT A LOVEHEART BUT IS ACTUALLY A LESS THAN 3; LIGHT IS HINTING THAT SHE KNOWS THERE ARE LESS THAN 3 MAFIA WHO KNOW EACH OTHERS IDENTITY

What made you look back at this post?

[JacksonVirgo]

1.18

Votecount 1.18

Laplacian (4): Hu Tao, light_ganski, Black, Ranger
light_ganski (4): Doctor Drew, Political Clout, Titus, Laplacian
Ranger (1): DkKoba
DkKoba (1): usesPython
Doctor Drew (1): JacksonVirgo
ketchup777 (1): ketchup777

Not Voting (1): Arko

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-09 00:53:57).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm seeing quite an interesting thing right now, I'm biting my tongue for the moment

[JacksonVirgo]

What didn't you like about the tone? Why are you keeping me in the neutral zone when your reasons to scum-read me get weaker.

@Lap, did you miss this? Asking only cuz you responded a post I sent after this one

[JacksonVirgo]

You can say it however you want, just trying to pick your brain.

Oh, totally understand. The wording just popped into my brain, and I tend to lean into that type of sentence structure

Where was I before the reasons to scum-read me got weaker?

Solid yellow tbh, now, and after taking the time to dissect stuff, you've got some more green

Wasn’t I already solid yellow?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also where’s the green coming from?

[JacksonVirgo]

Considering the reasons for scum-reading me got weaker, I would have expected it to be more to the red than dead center neut

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, almost done rereading that middle game argument and yeah, you're looking towny. Tone is still aggro, but that's nai. I don't know your meta and am not going to look, but I don't think scum gets so pedantic over the definition of tunnel

Can you expand on the "you're looking townie" or is that completely because of me being pedantic around the tunnel

[JacksonVirgo]

@Ranger

can you elaborate on your town-read on me further than just stuff from pages 1-3. I was hoping to ask after you're fully caught up but I don't think it's going to change anything

[JacksonVirgo]

And JV, I see your vote is still on Drew. That a serious vote still?

I'm thinking of moving it but sitting on my hands for the meantime, not because of any changes in Drew himself I still think he's scummy in his own right

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh fuck I love playing with you

phew, you had me scared when you called me infuriating a couple times jacky-snacky

Yeah, my choice of words can be poor at times whoops. Whenever you say cute ass names like that it gives me Noraa vibes, I miss her

[JacksonVirgo]

The lists are NAI for Ranger. If you're voting her because of the lists then it's a waste of time

But that’s like 3/4 of her posts

I mean that's why I said it's what they've always done than to just label it NAI, do what you want with what they're giving

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh shit

Every time I read this it makes me laugh at the randomness, but er, what were you alarmed about?

That my ego was a pagetop lol, nothing spicy

[JacksonVirgo]

I always happen to TR you

But you've been wrong about me twice very recently. Why are you not concerned that you could be wrong again?

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Early days

this doesn't feel like a towny post.

Spoiler: My in depth analysis and response to this post

[JacksonVirgo]

Reading my ISO like you said you're doing would answer both of those

[JacksonVirgo]

Reading my ISO like you said you're doing would answer both of those

I want to hear it from you.

Not interested in repeating myself for the sake of repeating myself

[JacksonVirgo]

Reading my ISO like you said you're doing would answer both of those

I want to hear it from you.

Not interested in repeating myself for the sake of repeating myself

your explanation didn't really make sense to me.

They don't seem to be deflecting because of my push, the push is seemingly absolutely meaningless to him but instead he's trying to get me to be more productive in a way that they seem to truly think that scum-reading them is useless/meaningless and they want to actually do something to progress the game. I don't know how to put this into words properly

They're not 'deflecting because of the push,' 'push is meaningless,' 'trying to get me to be more productive,' 'scum reading them is useless,' 'want to do something to progress the game'.

Wouldn't scum want you to think that scum reading them is useless? or are they doing it in a unique way or a towny way? I'm not sure I follow.

It's their focus that was elsewhere, it wasn't on the push at all. Deflecting would generally show their focus is at least somewhat on the push but it wasn't. I guess that's a way to word it

[JacksonVirgo]

let me iso jv brb

Why me in particular?

[JacksonVirgo]

When lap flips scum this vote count will be important

Not ganski?

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Ganski

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: lap

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: ganski

[JacksonVirgo]

I wanted to see how that felt, not good. This better

[JacksonVirgo]

Lap is clear town to me

[JacksonVirgo]

The claim was cursed so I wanted to dip my toes in but no, they’re just town

[JacksonVirgo]

Millers claim D1 so ur fine in that front unless you do a JV and forget someone claimed ascetic and then try and push someone cuz an action on them failed

[JacksonVirgo]

Lap is clear town to me

The claim was cursed so I wanted to dip my toes in but no, they’re just town

Can you explain? More so the cursed claim thing

No

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s just a rough claim

[JacksonVirgo]

Gave me enough pause that I wanted to throw my heart over the edge to see how it felt

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s just a rough claim

Gave me enough pause that I wanted to throw my heart over the edge to see how it felt

Ok....

But what sort of claim would make you consider it as a fake claim?

It felt like it was possibly a desperation claim, that had an easy way out if they give a wrong result.

[JacksonVirgo]

Reaction test: destroyed

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh, lmao

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm a mason with lap

[JacksonVirgo]

For legal reasons, that was a joke. Titus don't sue me

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s just a rough claim

Gave me enough pause that I wanted to throw my heart over the edge to see how it felt

Ok....

But what sort of claim would make you consider it as a fake claim?

It felt like it was possibly a desperation claim, that had an easy way out if they give a wrong result.

Isn't that the sort of claim scum would make??

Why do you think I did what I did?

[JacksonVirgo]

Reaction test: destroyed

Lol, Alianna is such a party pooper

They weren't having it

[JacksonVirgo]

Miller is very much

not

pointless without cops

[JacksonVirgo]

@Enchant, any first words?

[JacksonVirgo]

Man. I was about to come into today upset at koba. Because Lap's claim sounded like it was there to find miller's. But I was also going to say koba was probably town for it because of Lap's role. But now I'm shook. Also why would scum even kill the Miller claim.

I'm upset Lap went out but it is what it is. I think Drew is town from that, so at least there's that.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Enchant, any first words?

Any last words?

Of course, my last words are

Spoiler: Last Words

[JacksonVirgo]

Quite an interesting setup

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Ganski

For good measure

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Ranger and Ganski both look bad given that flip

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew, you catch what I caught?

[JacksonVirgo]

Mhm, wolves probably have Godfathers to any degree and their announcement is probably the thing one thing that isn't normal.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think majority of us are Cops.

[JacksonVirgo]

Mhm, wolves probably have Godfathers to any degree and their announcement is probably the thing one thing that isn't normal.

Or lack thereof

[JacksonVirgo]

If I shot myself in the foot by saying that, oh well.

[JacksonVirgo]

Mhm, wolves probably have Godfathers to any degree and their announcement is probably the thing one thing that isn't normal.

Has to be. But if we do have guilties might as well announce those.

Of course

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew is town. Ketchup town. Black town. Python town.
Leaves Titus, Ganski, Ranger, Enchant, Hu Tao and Clout.

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Titus and Clout. Pool of 4. Ganski/Ranger have equity together.

[JacksonVirgo]

Inno on Enchant here

[JacksonVirgo]

I assume this is why you questioned my reasoning for suspecting the claim Drew? And I assume this is why the claim had Koba and yourself jump on it so quickly and confidently

[JacksonVirgo]

Pretty sure Disloyal Cop is the way to find the godfather if there are some. If so, we messed up

Mhm, we sure did lmao. Oh well

[JacksonVirgo]

I assume this is why you questioned my reasoning for suspecting the claim Drew? And I assume this is why the claim had Koba and yourself jump on it so quickly and confidently

Yes and yes...

I thought I was dead overnight cause I was so quick to think it was a fake claim

Lmfao

Quite an interesting setup

[JacksonVirgo]

But yeah those two things are why I think you're lock-town

[JacksonVirgo]

I think this really makes PC's reaction to it extra bad, given the revelation here

You raise a good point

[JacksonVirgo]

I initially was on PC but moved to Enchant in an attempt to sort the no-posting slot replaced by someone I cannot read for the life of me

[JacksonVirgo]

I assume this is why you questioned my reasoning for suspecting the claim Drew? And I assume this is why the claim had Koba and yourself jump on it so quickly and confidently

Yes and yes...

I thought I was dead overnight cause I was so quick to think it was a fake claim

Lmfao

Quite an interesting setup

I think this really makes PC's reaction to it extra bad, given the revelation here

Eili5

?

Eili5 dude, Eili5

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh

[JacksonVirgo]

I wanna wait for PC to respond before I add more to the conversation