Open 903: IC Basic [Game Over]

[Bingle]

No you're not doing it right, you need to tell me that i suck

See, while you were busy pointing fingers at each other I drank both of your wine glasses. And some whiskey. And some vodka. And some cider. And some lager.

VOTE: Danny Boy

[Bingle]

VOTE: gob

Fight me! I shall claim the true crown!

I can corroborate, the mod made an error and aureal is actually the one in the mason thread.

[Bingle]

Danny Boy is not a valid vote as Danny Boy does not correspond to a player in the game.

You may knock me down, TLich, but I promise you this: I WILL get back up again. You will never keep me down.

[Bingle]

Stop thumping tubs and go find some scum, Bingle! This isn't a concert!

[Bingle]

I think

Bingle

is a member of the mafia ^^

[Bingle]

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

[Bingle]

she drinks lemonade, i drink lipton

Just don’t drink the KoolAid and you should be okay.

[Bingle]

If that was a pocketing attempt from Leek, it almost worked. Now I'm second-guessing myself.

Nah, it was towny.

[Bingle]

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

wdym by that

You gave a pretty decent reason for an early townread and a really week reason for an early scum read and said your vote was more solid. Why fore?

[Bingle]

why wouldnt we use all the time provided to us?

It gets boring really fast. After some initial posting, there can be some pretty long period of inactivity. Games should run at a little faster pace.

Bit of a sussy post here

Literally a site culture thing. This site tends to lean towards longer days because people have busy lives, but if we get consensus we can and should hammer early.

[Bingle]

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

wdym by that

You gave a pretty decent reason for an early townread and a really week reason for an early scum read and said your vote was more solid. Why fore?

now i'm just confused

you think the way leek played his opening was towny?

You said you think leeks posting was awkward in a way that suggests wanting to leave rvs AND that that was towny, actually.

[Bingle]

uhhh, ok

yeah so kinda getting weird vibes from leek's overall posting? Kinda feels forced in the realm of wanting to push the game out of RVS while being extremely self-concsious, which is a mindset that more often comes from town than scum

also 43 Feels very much exagerrated in it's "oh yeah, i would be scum next game cause this one i'm totally town !"

am already voting leek but this can be for realsies now

Green: nuanced townread.
Red: scumread based on lamist.

[Bingle]

Also:

why wouldnt we use all the time provided to us?

It gets boring really fast. After some initial posting, there can be some pretty long period of inactivity. Games should run at a little faster pace.

Bit of a sussy post here

Bit of a sussy post here.

[Bingle]

oh ok that, i misphrased it

You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards

Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?

[Bingle]

Nah, it’s the sim of posting an amongus meme.

[Bingle]

Sin, not sim

[Bingle]

we agree that town rarely wants to fabricate thoughts that they don't actually have right? At most they play up their reads for getting reactions and stuff

Not really as an aggregate, but certainly with newtown, and the point is taken. I found myself nodding along with the idea of newbtown wanting to push out of RVS, not really knowing how to do so, and coming across as awkward being a thing that makes sense as a basis for a townread.

I can definitely see scum trying to be seen pushing the game out of RVS (Which I think is what you're insinuating) or scum taking refuge in fluff (which Leek insinuated), but I don't think failing to push the game out of RVS is inherently scummy more than just an awkwardness tell.


As far as Leek himself goes, I actually liked 43, but I can agree that 18 and 32 are pretty tryhard. 53 doesn't seem like a scumpost, though. At the very least, I'd be surprised if Will and Leek were S/S.

[Bingle]

I'm also wary of NAS now ^^'

I'm also wary of Nora. now ^^'

I endorse both of these products and/or services.

[Bingle]

i read it more as him trying to read me by asking questions

Oh shit, she's onto me.

[Bingle]

Nah, it’s the sim of posting an amongus meme.

Ok that's fair actually he's trying to revive dastardly forces

For reels, though, the response to the scumread felt weirdly defensive.

[Bingle]

There’s been a lot of answering for other people and leading questions that make me feel all nasty inside.

[Bingle]

@Nora:

What do you think of literally no one following up on your scumread of me and gypyx specifically ignoring it?
Do you think ‘creative’ reads/lines of thought are inherently scummy, towny, NAI, or need to be judged on a case by case? If the last, what do you think about this one and why?

[Bingle]

Anyone else feeling Gypyx is trying to sow confusion and chaos? Mafia loves that.

i love confusion and chaos

I’m sorry, but I’d prefer to keep our relationship platonic. I’m sure you understand.

[Bingle]

Bingle, you kinda defended my entrance into the thread, but do you have any scumread at this point? what are you thoughts on NotAScum and Nora?
I think we might be having twtbaw case here with NAS

It would be a mistake to assume I was townreading you based on my defense, as it was more about figuring out the push on you than you yourself. I do in fact have reads, I'll share them in a bit.

[Bingle]

gypyx themself have seemed very townie to me though. They are being aggressive and to-the-point with their posts and there's this investigative tone to them, in a way that I find hard for wolves to replicate for fear of standing out too much. I don't think a wolf would want to invite others to sus them by being rude and forthright with everyone (uhm not rude in a bad sense but like...how do I put it lol, their posts all sound slightly angry).

LMAO if you think Gypyx is aggressive or angry. She's being proactive and setting herself up as a leader, but nothing there is angry. I'm not townreading her, but her goal here is definitely to be town leader.

[Bingle]

this made me laugh but also i gotta admit i'm not doing very good mentally so that probably explains the mildly angry at everything vibes you've picked up

Not game relevant, but <3 Gypyx. You know you got people who care and while we don't interact very often I have enjoyed just about every time we have. Take care of yourself and remember that you're awesome.

[Bingle]

I'd think scum would try to avoid doing the behavior they're scum reading people for. Is this wrong?

This is circular reasoning lol

Agreed. I've actually always thought the opposite was the case. If someone is doing something and yet saying someone else doing the same thing is sus, it's frequently an indication of a guilty conscience projecting their scumminess.

[Bingle]

Shush you. Once I shoot you tonight you can go play in the sandbox with the other Jigglypuffs.

[Bingle]

I think we might be having twtbaw case here with NAS

Hmmm. I am scumreading NAS's play and gamestate reading NAS as likely town, so loosely I agree with you.

[Bingle]

Nora. - Playing genuinely. There's a certain sense of openness when she engages that makes me think she's actively trying to be clear with what she's saying, as opposed to trying to look good saying things. Particularly, 171 is a good example. I don't think her responses are what she thinks I want to hear, nor do they seem particularly pointed to fit an agenda. They seem to be a very good faith engagement all around.
SzmarzLeek - Original entrance was a bit awkward, but he drops into a comfortable place pretty quick. I got some LAMIST vibes early, but by 43 they'd settled down and I think he's been pretty chill since then. I quite like the analysis present (53, for example). I do get some bad vibes off of 181, it feels like he's a little IIoA there, and the lack of conclusions is worrying. I can also grok the Gypyx TMI accusation, but I think given the context of 166 it's not really scum indicative. If Leek is just assuming that Wisp/Gypyx are town for now and reevaluating later, that definitely explains Leek acting like Gypyx is town.
Little Will o' Wisp - Very surface level analysis, not very town. There's nothing really questionable about what he's been doing, but I definitely want to see him make more waves.
Aureal - Aureal's entrance is pretty par for the course, but she hasn't really done anything yet.
Bellaphant - Who?
Gypyx - Definitely the most active, most powerful voice in the thread. Seems investigative, but in a way that could easily be scum powerwolfing. If she's town she probably gets herself shot, so I don't really care about reading her as much at this point.
NotAScum - I'm scumreading him because of the "caught for the wrong reasons" vibe I got from 72, but he's also already got significant antipartner equity with Aureal and Leek, which is odd if he's scum.

[Bingle]

because in my experience, not knowing the meta, it's townies that are doing that in more cases

Law of Large Numbers: there are more townies, so there will always be more town examples than scum examples. MS, however, tends to skew towards people who prefer townplay and I think I remember bella being one of them.

[Bingle]

To clarify, gob, that's not an ordered list, that's individual impressions I gave up on ordering it halfway through making it.

[Bingle]

Bella hasn't posted on site since her last post in this thread and was similarly absent in the endgame of the last game we played, so might be a genuine IRL flake.

Bella, is there anything killing your motivation here?

[Bingle]

Eh. Gypyx is gonna get shot if she's town, we can wait til that doesn't happen if she's scum. She's a bad lim for today for the same reason I'm a bad lim for today. Cause we scary.

[Bingle]

I'd think scum would try to avoid doing the behavior they're scum reading people for. Is this wrong?

This is circular reasoning lol

Agreed. I've actually always thought the opposite was the case. If someone is doing something and yet saying someone else doing the same thing is sus, it's frequently an indication of a guilty conscience projecting their scumminess.

Huh. I took the hypocrisy=scummy approach for a while when I started playing again. Didn't really work for anything other than getting me into TvTs.

It does that too. I think the trick is to find things that actually are scummy, as opposed to things that are play style/NAI. Also I get in a lot of TvTs.

[Bingle]

Bingle, what you exactly don't like about Wisp? can you elaborate? maybe I'm missing something here, he seems generally towny and I liked the fact that he was the first person in the thread to give their list of players categorized

S’not anything he’s doing, but more what he isn’t doing. I want to see more solving and engagement from him, and I question how anyone can have a townread there when his contribution is so thin so far.

[Bingle]

Bella's lim imo is 75% chance of a miss, I would say 3 out of 4 times people who don't give a damn are town

That’s better than rand!

I’m willing to wait to see if a replacement shakes loose.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Aureal

Tied wagons at e-2.

[Bingle]

Bellaphant is being replaced for inactivity.

Oh sweet. I’ve been wanting to play another game with enchant. Enchant rocks.

[Bingle]

Doctor Drew replaces Bellaphant.

Oh well.

[Bingle]

Bellaphant is being replaced for inactivity.

Oh sweet. I’ve been wanting to play another game with enchant. Enchant rocks.

I am afraid I have some bad news.....

I’m afraid I have some worse news: no whiskey till Saturday. I’m planning on a nice double of glenmorangie 18 to go with a steak dinner and then jack and cokes to close out the night then though.

[Bingle]

Bella's lim imo is 75% chance of a miss, I would say 3 out of 4 times people who don't give a damn are town

I sent that math to the boys in the lab, it checks out

I’m pretty sure you’re lying. All of the boys actually went to the yard to get some free milkshakes.

[Bingle]

I am down for limming someone just for being mech forward(sorry mod).

On that note, I think it’s time for mech advice. Doc, you should either target gob or holster tonight, with a preference for targeting gob. I’d estimate the equilibrium to favor an 80/20 split.

The reason for this does have mathematical grounding but requires understanding of topics like Nash equilibriums and a decent grounding in game theory.

With that said, it’d be way more fun if the doc targets someone who isn’t gob and the scumteam no kills to hopefully get a false innocent result on themselves. If there’s no kill tonight, IC can reveal the doc target with no risk so it’s low risk for mason, and it’s not directly impacting the timeline for scum miselim wise so it’s low risk for scum team. And we will get to talk about how Bingle talked scum into no killing night 1 which will be fun for all of the bingles in the thread.

Be the world you want to see in the change.

[Bingle]

Glad I'm not the only one who had some confusion there

Okay, now I’m confused. Who is confused about what now?

[Bingle]

I feel like I should be obvtown, given both the mechanical and fun deficiency in the nightkill. As such, there are now 3 functional conftown so we’re looking pretty good for a PoE solve.

Why should I be townreading you?

[Bingle]

Bingle's vote feels apathetic enough

Wdym?

[Bingle]

leave this one to me everyone.

I was born for these moments

Compelling argument, welcome to the towncore.

[Bingle]

Potential chainsaw (I think that's what it's called?) defense of Leek

It is not, actually. A chainsaw defense is attacking the attacker in lieu of providing reasons to townread the accused. I wasn’t attacking gypyx and I was giving my reasons for thinking leek was town. If anything, I was chainsawing with my vote on Nas, but that would be truly stretching.

[Bingle]

gob really has transcended beyong saying words

Where we're going we don't need words to gob.

[Bingle]

Bingle's vote feels apathetic enough

Wdym?

Apathetic to the wagons I mean… in a world where Leek is scum I would expect the partner to either defend them by voting the counter wagon or to bus them when they seemed like a lost cause (referring to all those times leek was top wagon) for maximum town cred. Staying on a vanity wagon seems counter intuitive to both those causes while also making you stand out weirdly… Does that make sense?

I think you're saying you're pretty sure me and leek aren't S/S, but what I want to know is what that does for your actual desires. Do you think me or leek is more likely to be scum? Do you think it has to be one of us, or could we both be town? What prompted the thought originally?

[Bingle]

hey bingle you wouldn't be interested in playing a funny marathon game like right now, 20 minutes at most

there's greater than zero odds I'll have to leave suddenly, but if that's acceptable sure

[Bingle]

NAS getting SR'd for the sin of being used to a different way of playing the game

This and the conversation of trying to guess Bella's read triggered that post, btw, Aureal.

[Bingle]

I feel worse about aureal than gypyx, but if we have to lim off wagon I suppose that’s my choice as well. I think Nora has been pretty genuine in her solving.

Gypyx has been a worry of mine. There’s nothing wrong with her posting per say, but it just seems a little manipulative.

[Bingle]

Aureal really is SCANNING these posts

Don’t really think this is S/S though.

[Bingle]

Aureal really is SCANNING these posts

Don’t really think this is S/S though.

???

I don't even understand what is attempting to be conveyed here by Gypyx

Gypyx pointed out that your analysis of me questioning her was very surface level and missed a lot of thread nuance (like the whole part where we already discussed what I hoped to gain through that and it wasn't a defensive sequence at all), and I don't think that scum calls out their partner for surface level analysis or that scum doesn't really look at the circumstances for their partners interactions in this gamestate. Thus, the two of you are probably not scum together.

[Bingle]

is my drew read bad or like is it just that no one cares

Honestly, my way of reading Drew is to leave him alone and see what he does unprompted. He hasn't really done much yet so he could be either alignment. I don't think his leek push is particularly out of character though.

[Bingle]

Enchant replaces SzmarzLeek.

Oh god not this again. Yet another Dr Drew.

[Bingle]

Wow, now I'm starting to think you're just trying to shut me down with negativity, lest I actually get into this game.

Gypyx didn't point out shit, you're answering for her (after wringing your hands earlier about people answering for others )

Speaking of 'surface level' analysis, I guess you missed that I wasn't calling Gypyx out at all there except for a faint possibility of TMI about Wisp's alignment?? It was you and Leek I was expressing suspicion about in that post.

VOTE: Bingle

I’m not trying to shut you down in the slightest.

Gypyx accused you of scanning, aka not reading in depth, which checks out but isn’t necessarily a smoking gun. And you were specifically asking about my antipartner read, so

And no, I didn’t think you were at the head of the lim Gypyx brigade. It’s also irrelevant to the antipartner read.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Gypyx

that checks out

VOTE: Enchant

Death and murder

Now these are some spicy tamales.

[Bingle]

I’m probably voting enchant here, tbh, but I’m not ready to pull that trigger. Why the rush?

[Bingle]

not asking you to vote, just wanna see a stance from you

I mean, my stance is that Bingle never kills will last night. I make the mech optimal gob kill or the fun optimal no kill.

[Bingle]

not asking you to vote, just wanna see a stance from you

I mean, my stance is that Bingle never kills will last night. I make the mech optimal gob kill or the fun optimal no kill.

Sure wasn't really my question tho, I still think that "i NEVER would do that" arguments are bad and very accessible for scum to make

Yeah but like… if I want scum to make the fun choice and no kill, I have to rub their noses in it.

[Bingle]

I would NEVER replace in scum slot.

But would you turn a town slot into a scum slot by replacing in?

How do you feel about Nora?

[Bingle]

Hey gypyx, can you explain why the gob kill is mechanically the best?

[Bingle]

Who is Nora

Nora posted a case on your slot a bit ago.

[Bingle]

but overall, I think Nora is sus

sole fact that I had to ask three times to get a proper answer, makes me think she really made a scummy post and wanted to dismiss the matter

we should've gotten that answer during my first push on that post

Oh you can NOT be for real right now... x_x Yes, you asked the question three times but I responded all three ways in the exact same way. I never dodged the question or gave a dismissive response

Here's my response to the first time you asked:

that's a very naive thought to make

I don't like that you had this thought

scumreading me is fine, but pointing at partnership so early seems sus to me, especially based on such situation
I think you rather stay quiet/slight sus about your partner in a 2-scum game

...well this might be my inexperience with long form forum mafia showing. I usually start looking for connections early.

This is a complete answer. Here's my most recent response to the same question when you kept repeating it:

why do you keep beating the dead horse? x_x I've already explained my playstyle is contingent on fast-paced games where even in 24 hr Days we usually hammer within a few hours. Obviously there will be a difference in approaches but I think I am adapting well?

Those two responses by me. Are the exact same. I just elaborated in the latter. Surely you see that. xD

VOTE: SzmarzLeek

Your treatment of me aside, I don't like the rest of your 'process' either:

and after some consideration, NotAScum might be scum too

he's posting stuff that would be suicidal for scum, that's true

but I really struggle to find a towny thought process between "let's look for scum in actives" to "inactivity is scummy"

you can change your mind based on someone's posts but changing the way you look for scum in 24 hours? we're getting too farfetched there imo

hedgy read and says nothing

but overall, I think Nora is sus

sole fact that I had to ask three times to get a proper answer, makes me think she really made a scummy post and wanted to dismiss the matter

we should've gotten that answer during my first push on that post

I've already explained why this makes no sense to me x_x

Aureal is playing bad for both town and scum

she's a decent town, I played with her a bit, guess her scum game wouldn't be as bad as it is here, too?

I don't like the approach to just come into the thread and sus your opponent though

but I think she deserves another day

hedge again, says basically nothing

Bella's lim imo is 75% chance of a miss, I would say 3 out of 4 times people who don't give a damn are town

Don't understand the confidence here. I'd be interested to hear what the new replacement thinks of this stance @Doctor Drew (someone please help me figure out how pings work xD) - from your point of view, do you think your slot had done anything worth the confidence above? I personally find it hard to believe SzmarzLeek hasn't come across slanking scum and rwstfo driven players before. Slanking players are >rand in terms of alignment imo...and meta reads on specific players can skew those chances one way or another.

as for Bingle, they're kinda positioned in the middle of the thread, which is a comfortable spot for scum (not a low hanging fruit, not into leadership), but could also be a NAI for players who generally perform such plastyle in both factions

Again, a hedgy read that commits to nothing


Your posts on everybody (with the exception of myself >.>) sound like commentary from a spectator rather than opinions coming from a player... It's like youre aggressively trying to present objective-sounding takes

[Bingle]

Attack IC N1.
Then attack IC N2. If Doctor healed.

By this time rolecop finds mason buddy already and 0.5 of mislim does nothing to town.


Easy game for mafia really.

I was wondering if Gypyx knew, and also you missed the side benefit of being able to cc doc in XLO if necessary, but yes.

[Bingle]

Well yeah, but if the last viable miselim claims doc, you CAN play to that out.

[Bingle]

It’s slight scum equity that enchant jumped in to answer there, but not as much as gypyx getting the answer right unprompted would have been, FWIW.

[Bingle]

Okay... so my re-read is progressing...

Page 3/4:

NAS is already voting Leek here, and Bingle comes in for a first bit of serious posting by pressing Gypyx about cognitive dissonance on a post where she had (pretty obviously) used the opposite word of what she meant then corrected herself in the next post. When that correction is pointed out, Bingle doesn't back down but instead skeptically asks her to explain her worldview. Potential chainsaw (I think that's what it's called?) defense of Leek

Spoiler: actual posts

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

wdym by that

You gave a pretty decent reason for an early townread and a really week reason for an early scum read and said your vote was more solid. Why fore?

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

wdym by that

You gave a pretty decent reason for an early townread and a really week reason for an early scum read and said your vote was more solid. Why fore?

now i'm just confused

you think the way leek played his opening was towny?

You said you think leeks posting was awkward in a way that suggests wanting to leave rvs AND that that was towny, actually.

uhhh, ok

yeah so kinda getting weird vibes from leek's overall posting? Kinda feels forced in the realm of wanting to push the game out of RVS while being extremely self-concsious, which is a mindset that more often comes from town than scum

also 43 Feels very much exagerrated in it's "oh yeah, i would be scum next game cause this one i'm totally town !"

am already voting leek but this can be for realsies now

Green: nuanced townread.
Red: scumread based on lamist.

oh ok that, i misphrased it

You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards

Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?

oh ok that, i misphrased it

You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards

Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?

we agree that town rarely wants to fabricate thoughts that they don't actually have right? At most they play up their reads for getting reactions and stuff

if they don't have anything, such as during RVS, they need to fish, which is extremely different from actually expressing a read

and, an easy way for scum to stumble is to try to express reads that don't actually have any substance behind them since "we're in RVS i need to push the game fowards that's what i would do"

Obviously they're aware of it so an easy way to do it is in the shape of jokes / undermine themselves / whatever, but them mindset stays here

I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?

if this is scum!bingle attempting to defend his partner it's a very shallow defense i gotta say that much, i read it more as him trying to read me by asking questions

also doing associatives at this point of the game is pretty bad, since it all collapses the moment someone flips in an unexpected way

Pretty clearly not any sort of serious pressure on Gypyx, but rather a direct defense of leek (not a chainsaw), an attempt to figure out gypyx’s thought process, and something that had literally already been explained as that the next page. What does this indicate other than a lack of critical reading as to what was going on there?

As far as an attempt to shut your engagement down… it would be far more effective to just not engage with you if I didn’t want you producing content.

[Bingle]

Hey gypyx, can you explain why the gob kill is mechanically the best?

on top of what enchant said it also has the benefit of not allowing the mason partner to keep his reads hidden, so killing IC is good (especially IC gob)

pedit : stop pediting everyone

Why is killing IC gob good, he's not exactly showing signs of leading town to a resounding victory XD

I mean… the alternative being that will was? If the shot was taken from a mech perspective, which I think is true and you said you thought when you said you thought it was a mason hunting shot, then correct play was to shoot at gob. (Low info, potentially high reward, inevitably needs to be killed anyway). The only one I could maybe see being a gamestate kill would be gypyx, because she’s being leadery but she’s also not really above suspicion. There’s no real consensus town to kill. All of this points to the kill being made either by someone who didn’t know that it’s better to miss the kill on an ic than to miss the kill on a mason read or someone who wanted to push that narrative.

[Bingle]

My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.

Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal

[Bingle]

VOTE: enchant

Aureal and I have time to talk tomorrow, I suppose.

[Bingle]

Killing IC N1 is meta in this setup.

Protected: It's confirmed mafia attacked IC. It gives nothing. Rolecop checks someone for being mason, IC totally sure dies next night.
Not protected: IC dead. Rolecop still checks someone for being mason.


It's really really really boring.

Unironically: agreed. It’s a very-near vanilla setup with a role I’m not a fan of.

On the other hand it’s a pretty balanced near vanilla open and I KNOW there are other people who enjoy that kind of thing. Having played it, (and gotten stomped), I think it’s a fine recommended setup.

[Bingle]

Do you believe IC Basic should be a Recommended Open Setup?

If you believe this setup is one you'd play again (and thus should be a Recommended Open Setup), let me know.

If you believe this setup is unbalanced or unfun (and thus should

not

be a Recommended Open Setup), also let me know.

i feel like the setup works pretty well and is certainely something i could see myself signing up for once more

the only potential problem with this run was that we (and no offense to gob when i say that) didn't really get to see the IC slot at it's full potential i think

I played great. Its the town and specifically Bingle who played poorly

Are you actively trying to be unlikeable?

[Bingle]

No redactions.

There were some questions about why ms doesn’t do vote locking: it’s not a thing that ever happened when site was new, and it has the potential to confirm scumteam size in games where that isn’t desirable.

Isis has a method I think is the most elegant which is if every scum player posts after a post where they can qh for the win, she will accept a qh by pm for the whole team.

[Bingle]

I mean… I kinda gave you my last read of “Nora is scum for the quick hammer” in the mason pt, but ok.

[Bingle]

Agreed, Lich. I just don’t see a reason to introduce a new mechanic to address people trying to gambit in a way that doesn’t usually pay off ime.

Although the scum team being able to ping each other is a thing that didn’t used to be possible within site rules either and I think is very obviously pro scum.

[Bingle]

Dude, you came into the post game to specifically insult my play based on two things that were blatantly untrue. I can admit that I was wrong about enchant, but your entire postgame has been repellent and after losing the game by voting wrong in XLO you have 0 legs to stand on.

Basically, don’t be a dick.

[Bingle]

So guys, did you know this was my 20th straight town PM??? Pretty crazy, huh?

Nice. My longest streak was 5 scum in a row when I first started.