Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[geraintm]

Random Nurse,

davesaz

, geraintm,

Hu Tao, Titus, Aristeia

, NotAScum

NotAScum [4]: Psyche,

Hu Tao, davesaz, Aristeia,

and titus

4 of the people on naerys are on not a scum wagon. like come on we should be killing off the wagon.

But not you, right?

[geraintm]

what's your reads list now?

Town: Random Nurse
Leaning town: Dannflor, davesaz, Hu Tao
Unsure: Political Clout, Psyche, Aristeia
Possibly scum: Titus, geraintm
Flailing: NotAScum

My leaning town and unsure lists could honestly be combined right now. Those 6 I’m trying to figure out but I need more info and more perspectives. The weird late night (for me) Ari/psyche/Hu convo was just extremely confusing and disjointed, and I’m not sure what it accomplished besides making my brain numb but it definitely didn’t make me feel like I had a great read on any of them. But I am still going to lean town on Hu right now, I don’t have any jarring reason not to.

Why am I scum??? I've done nothing scummy all game?? Tell me what I've done?
I think you have barely mentioned me this game?

[geraintm]

I'm also surprised we don't have a vigilante. Or maybe there is a vigilante tonight. If so I would shoot gera tbh.

I should never be allowed into the end game. One, I'm bad and lose the game and two people find it so hard to read me I become a distraction. I'm obviously not wanting to get shot but I understand the reasoning for it. I need to be solved for town's sake at someone point in most games

[geraintm]

i kinda just want to kill in [geraintm, Titus, Political Clout]


or i think there'd be some like townie "I told you so energy" coming after D1.

I'll admit this is my weakest scum read and it's mostly PoE

Well, I was on the wagon so I kinda didn't want to bring it up

[geraintm]

Klick was softing Mason with Psyche. I think that's why he was killed. Which is why I think Psyche is town.

I never see things like this.

[geraintm]

let's say I have this belief. That we should kill on the wagon. let's also say that people on the first hammered wagon are a lot of the same people on the second wagon today. and let's say that everyone is doing whatever they want. will a statistical proof or essay change anyones mind that we should for sure kill on the wagon since it is most probably that scum are on that wagon since it aligns with their win con and that we should reexamine our reads of the people on the wagons.

- love, light, and peace
PC

I haven't had time this weekend to do this sort of thing, but it would be where I would look. Also on the wagon that ran up and forced the IC claim on day 1

[geraintm]

gera looks like an easy scumread but it feels like bait. 354 is reasonably consistent w/ the rest of his iso

I will always get run up at some point, and then people who have played with me before just know I am usually solvable later in the game and I pass.

[geraintm]

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already tobe honest

[geraintm]

honestly maybe add dave to my pool

[davesaz/titus/geraintm/PC]

I'm reasonably confident everyone else is town at this point

I think Klick was the most likely player to stand in the way of Hu Tao getting run over today and that might've been why he was killed idk

he was also just very towny

VOTE: dann

Dave really doesn't like being put under any pressure, does he?

[geraintm]

VOTE: Titus

????

[geraintm]

but it seems to me like an artificial narrowing
could just as easily propose we pick 5 slots at random and vote between those and say it "narrows it down considerably"
unless you're that confident that all the scum voted the given away

All scum would likely not vote a certain way unless a PR was threatened. Scum may prefer something but are unlikely to overload.

Scum will vote any which way they want and get cred for bussing

[geraintm]

I'll just say this. I am a gated roleblocker. I roleblocked Dann and scum are scared. If Klick is a vig kill, Dann did the scumkill. I've eluded to it but scum Dann is pissed.

What does gated mean??
This seemed out of the blue. But I kinda trust it

[geraintm]

PC's over reliance on pushing people who are on "both wagons" seems like TMI, since a) we don't know if the 2nd wagon is on town, and b) the 2nd wagon is on the person who hammered the 1st wagon.

In case you haven't been following, PC's second wagon is an older point in time on the NAS wagon. Furthermore, there isn't any adaptation of that analysis based on wagon movement either yesterday or today, it's taking two static points in time.

Fair point

[KayJayQueue]

Why am I scum??? I've done nothing scummy all game?? Tell me what I've done?
I think you have barely mentioned me this game?

I think this sums it up:

Checking in quickly.
Not sure of the night kill, but I ain't going to waste time speculating on the reasoning.

So you think day 1 is a waste of time, you don’t want to speculate on what happened at night…what exactly

is

worth your time then?

It’s not a lot to go on but you haven’t given much…

[geraintm]

I'm caught up to now.

I think i trust the Titus claim.
I think I notice Dann a lot in my read through.

If Aristeia was acting that freak out then got me fooled.

[geraintm]

Why am I scum??? I've done nothing scummy all game?? Tell me what I've done?
I think you have barely mentioned me this game?

I think this sums it up:

Checking in quickly.
Not sure of the night kill, but I ain't going to waste time speculating on the reasoning.

So you think day 1 is a waste of time, you don’t want to speculate on what happened at night…what exactly

is

worth your time then?

It’s not a lot to go on but you haven’t given much…

No, I haven't. But absence of content does not equal scum.

[KayJayQueue]

Why am I scum??? I've done nothing scummy all game?? Tell me what I've done?
I think you have barely mentioned me this game?

I think this sums it up:

Checking in quickly.
Not sure of the night kill, but I ain't going to waste time speculating on the reasoning.

So you think day 1 is a waste of time, you don’t want to speculate on what happened at night…what exactly

is

worth your time then?

It’s not a lot to go on but you haven’t given much…

No, I haven't. But absence of content does not equal scum.

I don’t dispute that but I’m still going to keep you at that point in my list for now. Absence of content also doesn’t prove town in any way. So if you’re a null at best and I have better feelings about most of the others, you’re going to land near the bottom of my list.

[Political Clout]

Random Nurse,

davesaz

, geraintm,

Hu Tao, Titus, Aristeia

, NotAScum

NotAScum [4]: Psyche,

Hu Tao, davesaz, Aristeia,

and titus

4 of the people on naerys are on not a scum wagon. like come on we should be killing off the wagon.

But not you, right?

What point are you trying to make here

[geraintm]

Random Nurse,

davesaz

, geraintm,

Hu Tao, Titus, Aristeia

, NotAScum

NotAScum [4]: Psyche,

Hu Tao, davesaz, Aristeia,

and titus

4 of the people on naerys are on not a scum wagon. like come on we should be killing off the wagon.

But not you, right?

What point are you trying to make here

sorry, was meant to be humorous. i was trying to point out you were one of the people off wagon who should be killed

[Dannflor]

hey so who still cares about this game

[KayJayQueue]

hey so who still cares about this game

I dooo

[Dannflor]

what are your strongest feelings about the game right now?

like strongest town feelings / strongest scum feelings, etc.

[KayJayQueue]

what are your strongest feelings about the game right now?

like strongest town feelings / strongest scum feelings, etc.

I know I’ve been accused of being vague but I really am confused. I thought I was confident in my scum read on NAS, but now there’s been a lot of pushback. And I’m also not feeling gera but that could just be that I really don’t vibe with his play style. Titus was one of my stronger scum reads and then bam, came out with her info so I feel stupid for leaning that way. I still feel Hu Tao and Dave are town. As for you, I can’t tell if you’re town or just amazing at the game. (could be both, but it’s tripping me up lol) The rest are just…who fucking knows. I’m not understanding the motivations or day 2 actions and/or convos for the other 3: psyche, PC, Ari.

[Titus]

Gated means with limitations. So backup, novice, x-shot, odd/even are all gated roles. Basically, if you can't unconditionally act every night (barring a roleblocker) then you're gated.

[Datisi]

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