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[RolandOfGilead]

The much longer post just 6 minutes after the much shorter one suggests a post that was very carefully curated.

[JacksonVirgo]

The much longer post just 6 minutes after the much shorter one suggests a post that was very carefully curated.

Means nothing, I often curate my own posts regardless of alignment.

[KayJayQueue]

Anything more on my slot than gob trolling and pushing roland?

Cannot say that I have mastered all details of your 30+ page thread within the time I had. Anything in particular you want to ask me?

Technically they’ve only been around 20 pages, much more manageable if you ask me. Especially since I think most of the gob stuff can be largely ignored as it was not really serious.

[RolandOfGilead]

I found the Roland read bit little strange.

Roland – liked his stile the most. Agree with many of his points. But:

So let's go over few of these real quick.

- he criticized Solon for being a troll, but did not seem to do the same with GiF for her vig claim;

Did the context of both situations look same to you?

- he criticized Solon for pushing a train on GiF (which I treat as moving the game forward to too quickly, see 54), and at the same time attacked Gob ("that's also an incredibly effective scum strategy to just troll all game long and give yourself an excuse to not move the game forward", see 42). He also said at 59: "I mean, it's page 1, who cares? This is a common occurrence in the game for people to say things that don't push the game forward." I don’t think that 42, 54 and 59 and Roland’s treatment of this Gob/Solon/GiF affair are consistent.

Again, did the context of those situations look same to you for them to have to warrant consistent treatments?

- he said in 228 that he saw more and more town!Solon over their interaction. Which was not my reading of their exchange.

Did the bit about the reaction test factor into this when you typed this?

- he said Gob could not be credited for pushing the game and did not deserve a town read, but over time he called Gob as town (478).

The post Roland said Gob didn't deserve a townread was 196, and the bits he mentioned that gob didn't move the game forward was before that.
That's quite a post gap between these and 478, ain't it?

So, let me ask you the real question here.
You just clicked ISO for Roland and just skimmed through that without context, didn't you?

You're good at this, GIF

[RolandOfGilead]

The much longer post just 6 minutes after the much shorter one suggests a post that was very carefully curated.

Means nothing, I often curate my own posts regardless of alignment.

When you joined this game, you gave your thoughts as you read through the game. You didn't take a full day to get your bearings. You didn't need time to prepare. I don't think these two situations align.

[JacksonVirgo]

The much longer post just 6 minutes after the much shorter one suggests a post that was very carefully curated.

Means nothing, I often curate my own posts regardless of alignment.

When you joined this game, you gave your thoughts as you read through the game. You didn't take a full day to get your bearings. You didn't need time to prepare. I don't think these two situations align.

And that’s incredibly rare for me, I’ve always done shitposting while I make a spoilered analysis post

[KayJayQueue]

Yes I much preferred the live-tweeting version of getting caught up because we saw the thought process and opinions evolve.

[RolandOfGilead]

I'm still going to hold my vote for now, for reasons I will disclose later.

My reason is that I thought we'd get a good sense of who he was teamed with by allowing him to post, rather than leaving him one vote away from death and letting someone else jump in and end him before we got that information.

It's debatable whether we can glean anything from scum posts, but, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

I've seen enough.

VOTE: Snow

[GuyInFreezer]

Please unvote for now.

I have more questions coming and I'd like to see them answered first.

[KayJayQueue]

You know who will hammer without warning.

[Snow2697]

Might depend on number of scums. If 2, could be Not Mafia or Kay. If 3, may be we should not lose time and consider Roland. I have thought initially there can be 2 scums at most, but there was an opinion somewhere in the thread that 3 can be an option.

In what world would I be mafia with N_M? I’ve had a vote on him almost the entire time, along with his self vote. He’s just as close to elimination as you are and you think a scum team would both risk that? (I don’t know how N_M plays so I can’t really speak on the self vote, though I think in general, they’re dumb) I get there’s “distancing” but this would be really stupid on my part if I were bad.

I have not said that you are fellow scums with N_M.

[KayJayQueue]

I misread or for and, apologies.

[JacksonVirgo]

What are we at?

[Snow2697]

The much longer post just 6 minutes after the much shorter one suggests a post that was very carefully curated.

I have had it as single text and decided to post part 1 and then polish and post part 2.

[KayJayQueue]

What are we at?

You should unvote unless you want the hammer to happen.

[Thomith]

Votecount 1.10

Votecount 1.10

Snow2697 (4)

Doctor Drew, FancyPants, JacksonVirgo, RolandofGilead

E-1

Not_Mafia (3):

Not_Mafia, KayJayQueue, Solon

E-2

GuyInFreezer (1):

Snow2697

Not Voting (1):

GuyInFreezer

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-03-13 05:56:04)

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[GuyInFreezer]

What are we at?

E-1, but N_M is gonna lolhammer when he shows up.

[GuyInFreezer]

There has been interaction between Gob, GiF, Roland and Solon at the start of the game.
Gob claimed a cop. Voted GiF and called her scum.
GiF claimed vig, threatened to shoot Gob.
Solon jumped on GiF.
Roland defended GiF.

I think the main point is who are these four and whether (and how many) scums are there. I would say at least 1. Two possible, but could be overly lucky. Just 0, also not excluded.

Furthermore, this is just an IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis), garnished with surface-level number guessing.

Solon – on balance liked him the most.

Fancy – agree with some of her points, disagree with the others.

These were your stated townreads. So what part of this makes Fancy town for you?

GiF – don’t like her claiming 3 town reads there, if I take it right; looked like an attempt to end the conflict.

Is this really all you have on me? That townreads posts was from much earlier on. Also,

Kay – avoids conflicts, takes fights very carefully. Seems like a similar pattern with Roland and GiF.

What makes me controversial and Kay scummy, if we shared a similar pattern?

DD – Fancy voted him, got criticized by Roland for that, but DD launched a conflict with Roland instead of pushing Fancy with him. Seems like a principled move. Hardly a move by a scum. Roland is right that DD's case was not explained in detail (and DD did not seem to try to do so), and I found DD’s style overly aggressive. But his actions could have been honest moves from a town!DD.

I must be misunderstanding your definition of "controversial" because this reads like a townread. What makes your DD read "controversial" and not town?

- GiF, Jackson and DD – don’t think they should be limmed now.
- Not Mafia – can be a candidate, but looks more like a policy lim. Not sure this will give town a lot.
- Roland – the best candidate from the standpoint of info for the town. One of the 4 players in the initial conflict. A lot of conflicts are associated with him. But he is the most active and dedicated player. Limming him on D1 is a tough decision.
- Kay – can be a candidate. But again not sure this will give town a lot.

Also, this whole part is ???
Your own readlist stated Kay as "scummy" and Roland as "suspicious," which indicates that Kay seemed more scum to you than Roland, but you call for Roland lim, and based on the information that would provide? Are you, like, not trying to lim scum?

[Snow2697]

Anything more on my slot than gob trolling and pushing roland?

Cannot say that I have mastered all details of your 30+ page thread within the time I had. Anything in particular you want to ask me?

Technically they’ve only been around 20 pages, much more manageable if you ask me. Especially since I think most of the gob stuff can be largely ignored as it was not really serious.

May be. But I think you need to still go through the stuff to figure out whether it has been serious or not.

[KayJayQueue]

Anything more on my slot than gob trolling and pushing roland?

Cannot say that I have mastered all details of your 30+ page thread within the time I had. Anything in particular you want to ask me?

Technically they’ve only been around 20 pages, much more manageable if you ask me. Especially since I think most of the gob stuff can be largely ignored as it was not really serious.

May be. But I think you need to still go through the stuff to figure out whether it has been serious or not.

So are you saying you didn’t actually go through all 30 pages of the game? What are you basing all these reads in then?

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

[KayJayQueue]

UNVOTE:

Thank you Jack!

[JacksonVirgo]

Of course, I have uh other priorities so I’ll be catching up fully tomorrow. Can’t have a hammer

[Snow2697]

There has been interaction between Gob, GiF, Roland and Solon at the start of the game.
Gob claimed a cop. Voted GiF and called her scum.
GiF claimed vig, threatened to shoot Gob.
Solon jumped on GiF.
Roland defended GiF.

I think the main point is who are these four and whether (and how many) scums are there. I would say at least 1. Two possible, but could be overly lucky. Just 0, also not excluded.

Furthermore, this is just an IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis), garnished with surface-level number guessing.

Don't understand your criticism. If you think that the initial 4-person conflict is not important, then say your position on this. I have set out mine.

Solon – on balance liked him the most.

Fancy – agree with some of her points, disagree with the others.

These were your stated townreads. So what part of this makes Fancy town for you?

A combination of style and contents of her messages.

GiF – don’t like her claiming 3 town reads there, if I take it right; looked like an attempt to end the conflict.

Is this really all you have on me? That townreads posts was from much earlier on. Also,

Kay – avoids conflicts, takes fights very carefully. Seems like a similar pattern with Roland and GiF.

What makes me controversial and Kay scummy, if we shared a similar pattern?

I don't think she pursues her own agenda as a player. Her primary concern seems to be not to quarrel with other players.
I think you have your own agenda.

DD – Fancy voted him, got criticized by Roland for that, but DD launched a conflict with Roland instead of pushing Fancy with him. Seems like a principled move. Hardly a move by a scum. Roland is right that DD's case was not explained in detail (and DD did not seem to try to do so), and I found DD’s style overly aggressive. But his actions could have been honest moves from a town!DD.

I must be misunderstanding your definition of "controversial" because this reads like a townread. What makes your DD read "controversial" and not town?

I did not mean "controversial" to be townread or scummy or null. I would say it is a mixture of townread and scummy features, which I cannot resolve now. I don't understand reasons why DD launched an attack on Roland. DD's arguments against Roland. Also, DD's attack on Roland overlapped with Jackson's which I also don't understand.

- GiF, Jackson and DD – don’t think they should be limmed now.
- Not Mafia – can be a candidate, but looks more like a policy lim. Not sure this will give town a lot.
- Roland – the best candidate from the standpoint of info for the town. One of the 4 players in the initial conflict. A lot of conflicts are associated with him. But he is the most active and dedicated player. Limming him on D1 is a tough decision.
- Kay – can be a candidate. But again not sure this will give town a lot.

Also, this whole part is ???
Your own readlist stated Kay as "scummy" and Roland as "suspicious," which indicates that Kay seemed more scum to you than Roland, but you call for Roland lim, and based on the information that would provide? Are you, like, not trying to lim scum?

My point is that if we lim a scum, great. But we need to consider what would happen if we lim town. Can we exclude that Kay or Not Mafia are town? I think no, they can be town. So, what would give us elimination of town Kay or town Not Mafia? Will this clarify any conflicts in which they are involved? Don't think so.
And I don't call for Roland. You misread me. To the contrary, I said this would be a tough decision. And I said that "may be" we "consider" Roland if there are 3 scums, not 2.

[Snow2697]

UNVOTE:

I should unvote GiF.