Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

how am i going to play this game without vomiting every time i look at the screen

VOTE: Clownpiece

My diligence is mightier than the mafSepia. Is yours?
VOTE: Kagerou

Mine isn’t. Mafsepia can burn in a fire.

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Mod notes are confusing.

Each player has approximately a 50% chance that their Account Name and the Role Name are the same. Kagerou is apparently in the 50% that are different, and

Kagerou Imaizumi (account name) is confirmed to be Marisa Kirisame (role name)

Source?

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The account role card versus account bit is what I was most concerned about. That, and it took me a few rereads of that line to understand which of the two accounts it was talking about in the first place.

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Scum having access to each others flavors mostly, although in retrospect info slips seem unlikely out of the type of players who would join an anon game.

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Weird post by Sanae.

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Sanae’s vote on me references questions from 7 hours ago I haven’t answered yet, which felt like testing the waters for a wagon on me to then point back to once a wagon has already started.

And I’ll answer your original question with one of my own- what theme games lately don’t have the entire role card in the scum PT? Because most of the theme games I have seen in the past few years do.

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I came in assuming everyone’s flavor matched their character. So when I see someone posting that there’s only a fifty percent chance of the character and the account matching, I was curious what lead them to that information. My first instinct was info slip, as the quickest way to realize that might be a thing would be to see your scum teams role cards in the scum pt and realize the names don’t match entirely, although I liked Clownpiece’s response because it seems too precise to be from scum, although my answer from the mod was a closer match to what Daiyousei said. I also realize in rehashing it that I missed the obvious option that Clownpiece’s flavor themselves might not match their character which makes it all moot.

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I have minimal thoughts on the other votes because other than Larva they all feel like filler with no substance of their own.

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Yes, I didn’t understand why someone thought that flavor didn’t match account. I had assumed the characters in the mod note were in a neighborhood or something.

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Kaguyas vote on me feels the worst given they pursued a similar line of thought, although mine was seemingly unclear.

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What made you ask about name generation?

This does not seem about how those numbers were generated and seems like what I just said, but can I have an outside opinion?

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I don’t know what I expected from joining this game but I probably should have expected this.

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Whatever Daiyousei and Marisa are doing, lol.

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It got me townread so I don’t find it pointless.

I skimmed the past few pages, like the wagon on the k person who was voting me. Will have to reread later.

Pedit-
I can also buy both town. And Larva town.

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Acknowledging question, will answer when I have more time

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If I'm being entirely honest I don't have a lot in terms of scumreads, I never really do in this stage of the game, but I'm willing to vote any of Kaguya, Tenshi or Daiyousei to try and move the needle on them a bit, as they've all kinda disappeared. In general I think I should try a Marisa or Koishi-style of not-so-committal voting more, in all my games.

I’m sorry, are you surprised people are busy on a Friday night? I also question how you can really move the needle without engaging us.

I also think Yuuka’s string of posts over the past few pages are incredibly townie.

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Marisa I owe you an answer- I’m currently null on Sanae, but I need to allocate time to give them a reread. Kagerou or however it’s spelled I lean town on the basis they seem a bit too chaotic to be scum.

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Needle has moved, everyone mentioned showed up. It's that shrimple.

Are you taking credit for time passing and people having time to post?

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I'm town

How very kneejerk of you.

What does this mean

Far as I'm aware you only have like, 2 votes on you? Just seems very odd to blurt this out as soon as more than one person is voting you, in a way I can't particularly describe.

This is a weird analysis to make of ichi. There’s been lots of weird thoughts this game so far.

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I’m going to stop promising a reread and instead opt to fly by the seat of my pants for the time being.

I have been successfully pocketed by Marisa, Yuuka, Clownpiece, and Larva.

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Ahh I didn’t even connect that her role name was your account name!

Did anyone else find this post sounded somewhat artificial?

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I also agree with Clownpiece's stance on Kagerou, I think their approach to this game would be an incredibly strange choice for scum to make, but it' not totally out of the realm of suspicion. I would rather not eliminate them, and I only townread one of the three wagon constituents.

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I forget who originally accused you of that but I also found that strange- I felt people wondering about MY questions were what dragged things out, but everyone seemed to direct it at you instead.

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Sell me on it, Yuuka?

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That seems like a rather rude thing to say about a professional writer, Yuuka.

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What are our thoughts on the first Koishi not claiming the day ascetic when everyone else was?

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For what it’s worth my list is looking pretty similar to Koishi’s at the top of the page, which seems like a good sign?

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Am I mixing up waifus?

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oh and I just remembered this

I have immunity to all day abilities so please don't waste anything useful on me

I am, nvm

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Womp womp.

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I’m thinking Koishi is town plus the list from the top of the page, which I am now repurposing for my own needs.

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I’m beginning to think everyone has some form of obfuscation.

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I want to shoot a high-charisma meh slot

VOTE: Marisa

I do not like this vote.

This was my first reaction to it too. The timing seems convenient after Koishi 2 Electric Boogaloo mentioned this. This is counterbalanced by some sick, twisted part of my brain that doesn’t mind the push.

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Can you write me an expose on what makes Ichirin so town? Maybe I just struggle to see it as I haven’t read all about it.

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Once this game is over I do not want to hear the word obfuscation for 15 months.

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Where should I be voting then, Aya?

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I have zero interest in an Aya wagon.

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The rest of what you wrote is going to trigger a response, but I get it.
You're off balance.

I am a little, yeah

These slots are not both town, with the way this interaction just went. They're also probably not scum together, though I've seen weirder cases of theater.

Also, I'm choosing to ignore the comment about vitriol because it feels like intentional bait.

What makes this interaction T/S?

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Do you think Sanae is scum, Yuuka?

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I realize you kinda answered but I want that a tad more expanded if you don’t mind

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Koishi what are your thoughts on Ayas concerns of Sanae/Yuuka interactions being Town/Scum?

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I would argue being able to keep a low profile in an anon game when everyone’s already on edge would make me more than a weak link.

Meanie.

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I’m interested in Kagerou, Larvae and tenshi’s interpretations of Aya.

I’m leaning town but I have been trying to drag some more info/refocus everything so I can be more firm on it.

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It means to make a new attempt at something?

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That I resent being called a weak link in a hypothetical scumteam

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I’m going to see my way out until Koishi finishes their dance.

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None of these complete wagons spark joy. I am concerned about that.

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I do not have a counter proposal at this point, I was just looking at wagon members versus who they are on.

If I did vote any it would be Ichirin but even that feels weird?

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I can buy a momentum argument, if you think the leading wagons are all town. Do you?

(You probably have stated reads that answer this but these names are HARD, shush)

It is more that I cannot find one of the multi vote wagons where I am confident everyone on it is town.

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I have to respond to everyone because no one has invited me to dance, duh

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I also do not believe Kagerou is scum.

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Why is Ichirin town, sanae?

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I’m not sure they are enough to keep up with the arms race, however you did pick out the few posts of Ichirins I did like. Which bodes well for your alignment, I think?

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I agree about this being a hard game. I’m thinking some flips will make this easier, but I doubt any of us expected this game to be a cakewalk.

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Why don’t you like that series of posts, Clownpiece?

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Why don’t you like that series of posts, Clownpiece?

The strength in which they threw themselves into questioning Eternity Larva felt performative.

It came immediately after they were being accused of not having content, and then they suddenly have discovered The Thing That Is So Important To Question That They Must Get The Answer Before They Die.

It felt reactionary to the lack of sorting accusations.

I am indifferent to the "Assaulted." post.

Actual Read.

Gonna be honest I don't understand what you're saying

“Sie's pretty tongue-in-cheek about it, and aware that it might not look so good“

They never explicitly said this.
Or at least, I can’t find it. So you’re assuming their state of mind based on the context of the posts/what you think is reasonable, but Ichi did not go this route, they played it straight.

The assaulted one is the post you’re looking for in exhibit A for” this can’t possibly be real/serious”

They never said it was a joke.
So, I’m not taking it as one.

Nitpicking.

And what does this say for their alignments?

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I've lost the plot completely here too.

Just gonna step away and come back with fresh brain.

before you leave give me gun to head a read on Tenshi

I lied I've been here reading in real time but not replying to stuff as to give my brain space to think not post but since this might be relevant and I missed it on first pass: not in my beer list, in my possible votes like but not strongly so in any manner. Hope this helps, although it probably doesn't!

Back to lurking kbye

Come now, don’t play hard to get.

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Larva none of us have mains this is an anon game get outta here with that

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Weeb.

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N-notice me senpais

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Good post if you're scum Larvae.
Very townie mindset.

My real hope out of the way I've approached this day so far is that somebody would push against the consensus and give reasons to NOT town read me in a super obvtown sort of way and it just paid off magnificently.

It doesn’t do us much good if they are already townbinned by majority of the playerlist, though.

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I hadn't town binned them yet, I was leaning townie though.

You should probably catch up then!

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God, the will they or won’t they is palpable.

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Tenshi is also worthy of the Reisen treatment

You could try and interact with Tenshi to read her, I hear she's an open book.

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I honestly have been townreading both of you, which is why I am kinda bored by Larva getting townread for scumreading you when I’ve been townreading Larva all game.

I guess in all, I feel meh about it. It doesn’t move either of your needles for me. I liked your interactions with Kagerou however.

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i'm currently getting townvibes from Clownpiece, Yuuka, and Ichirin

i think Tenshi's posts surrounding the account name vs. role name discussion sound a little awkward, feels like she's jumping at the chance to talk about something to seem like she's contributing without really saying anything

i also don't really like Daiyousei's entrance but she defended my honor so she gets a free pass for the first ten pages

It started here but I’ve seen very little to dissuade it? Iirc larva was the first to actually substantiate their vote on me and it made sense, even if it was wrong

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In Tenshi’s defense Tenshi has tried to engage people and is stuck drifting along in the white water rapids that is this game. Tenshi is more than willing to answer whatever questions and has shared thoughts on alignment, albeit very little in the way of controversial reads.

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(It’s almost like you would want your true null read to be in a reaction test SO YOU CAN READ THEM)

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I’ve done more to make sure I’m not under the radar then you kagerou

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Re Reisen.
Tone.
Creativity/originality in reads.
Can relate to some of their posts/observations. They don’t really feel pressed to be here. It comes off as More relaxed than lacking something to do because they’re scum.
Ascetic claim but it’s like 0.001% weighed.
Their read of larvae doesn’t really make sense for scum. Why pick a fight with an ongusing obv town when the ship has largely sailed for the day phase.

On the other hand, It gives them something to do.

Can you help me? I can’t tell if I’m town or not so I need an expert opinion, someone critical and snarky enough to put me in my place if I’m scum.

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I would also like people to engage me and stop ignoring me

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They have somehow done less than me and are kinda just obfuscating their posts and are also more forgettable than me

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If you put a gun to my head scum but I’m not confident in it

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Im reserving my vote for when I feel confident on something, whether it is my POE or a scumread. I’m trying to take more of a voyeur approach this game which is probably part of why I’ve been stuck on my own island, but I also feel the desire for some more data to analyze.

I referenced Dai up there, but I can give Dai and Kaguya a look over when I get home tonight.

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Im reserving my vote for when I feel confident on something, whether it is my POE or a scumread. I’m trying to take more of a voyeur approach this game which is probably part of why I’ve been stuck on my own island, but I also feel the desire for some more data to analyze.

I referenced Dai up there, but I can give Dai and Kaguya a look over when I get home tonight.

if you had to vote for someone right now who would it be and why?

Reisen, maybe? The juxtaposition of stepping in the lines of questioning with me being the only true bull read feels a bit strange.

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That’s fine, take your time. I have a few other things I need to get done tonight, so I’ll be in and out!

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Hello, friends. I have returned. I know I owe Larva an ISO of Dai and Kaguya, I'm going to see if there's anything else I'm missing before starting.

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I agree with Sanae about that Kaguya post feeling very town. There are a few posts from Kaguya where I feel the good feelings. (86, 87 would feel weird to come from scum, and looks like actually trying to see my POV? I also like the string of posts starting at 339, it feels organic? The one asterisk is the townread on Aya could maybe be scum whiteknighting but I don't think it's likely. 408 should be all the evidence I actually need.

In all honesty I'm like halfway through this ISO and I'm kinda surprised they have not garnered more townreads? I have been able to reference most of their posts as pretty freaking town.

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Somebody talk me off the ledge before I put Kaguya in my town list because in a vacuum I am actually really liking their ISO?

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wow! this is by far the worst post i've seen all game! @_@ it contributes nothing to the hunting process and is obviously designed just to kick a clearly hurting player while they're down

in an iso vacuum i'm still not thrilled with aya's body of work but this post and sanae co-signing it in 598 makes me want absolutely nothing to do with voting aya for the foreseeable future and everything to do with exterminating the kagerou/sanae mafpair asap

I really hate this, I feel like it is trying to exacerbate the situation when I frankly raised an eyebrow at the same quote as Kagerou?

That said, this looks like a really weird way to talk about me when you have much wordier qualifiers on the rest of the people you were asked about? It's not like I haven't been majorly present since your last block of reads, I suspect I'm going to be showing up on this week's episode of Hyperposters Least Wanted, starting John Walsh.

you're in a unique position where i was very much not a fan of your predecessor, but was also starting to rethink that stance because i wasn't sure if it was because she was mafia or because her foundational ideas for how to play differed strongly with mine

and then the replacement happened, which means that i still feel how i felt about the slot prior to the replacement but my concerns may no longer apply going forward

so i couldn't just drop you in either the "interested in voting" bin or the "not interested in voting" bin with any sort of confidence, hence the couched wording

I'm not sure I like how cognizant they are of their own trajectory, however I know that I can be a bit susceptible to this too? But referencing their own posts here felt kinda weird

I can see why there are votes on this slot, although admittedly part of me wonders if there is a disconnect with players struggling with the length of Dai's posting?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Town:
Yuuka - Playing way too aggressive for scum, actively antagonizing others makes it very easy for others to want to murderlate you
Marisa - Liked a lot of their early play, will reevaluate after catchup
Larva - Good body of work and like the things they are saying
Kagerou - 2chaotic2bescum
Koishi - I liked the attempt to reaction test me and the follow up on Reisen stepping in the way
Kaguya - see: earlier this page

Lean Town
Aya - Lean, I can kinda see some solving but want to see what they do when they return to us
Clownpiece - I like most of what clownpost says I just like the ones in the town list more?

Leftovers
Sanae - back and forth on this. I just dunno. I don't disagree with the paranoia about the hyperposters but I don't feel much attempt to try and sort it?
Dai - talked about earlier this page
Ichirin - I feel like they were scummy and then vanished and everyone forgot they were scummy lol
Reisen - I feel very meh about the ISO, and I don't understand them stepping in the way of a reaction test on their only true null read?

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Imagine formatting your thoughts instead of just spewing them on the thread

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Do Kaguya next pls

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I can respect your reasons to dislike, I feel like the interaction with Ichirin about the “I’m town” post might be something we need to revisit later with more information.

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I’m not weighing in on which others you do bc I already had one I picked

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Yikes.

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I vote Ichirin if I get a vote, the

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It’s okay, I got to Kaguya town first so I get bragging rights

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Let’s say we hypothetically wagon someone who isn’t LHF- who should that be?

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I just don’t think it makes sense to interrupt a reaction test on someone you don’t have a real read on.

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I admittedly didn’t and am falling victim to the same issues facing the others. I need to do a more in depth reread of the hyperposters, but I have to find time

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I’m really hating the Yuuka take tbh

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The list of dislikes of that ISO are:
1) RVS
2) Overblown (232) which I don’t think is anywhere near as egregious as Koishi claims
3) one off comments that I disagree with the take on
4) half of the dislike list are LIKES

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I think there are some of them that were, which is fine as we make mistakes, however it just feels bizarre to me that a few weird RVS posts, 232, and the occasional awkward post are putting Yuuka in the mid ground

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Sideeye me if you want that’s but a mere bullet point in my issues with that post

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Yeah, my point isn’t about the order. I don’t see how Koichi added up things to get that sum.

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I’ll wait to see how things develop with the rest of your walls, but I don’t understand how 232 was worth ten bullet points.

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I disagree about solving, as someone who also POEs. If I look I could say it’s nothing SUPER town but it’s also weird because I feel a bit jaded with how much I didn’t like that reaction to 232.

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I disagree about solving, as someone who also POEs. If I look I could say it’s nothing SUPER town but it’s also weird because I feel a bit jaded with how much I didn’t like that reaction to 232.

In the spirit of this being an anon game I cannot and will not cite the numerous examples myself and others should have with this exact situation, so you'll have to either:

A: Believe I believe this
B: Believe that I am full of BS without looking it up
C: Do your own homework to get to A

I’ll see what I have time for.

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Yuuka, what information did you gain from that reaction test? If this is somewhere else quoting it is fine.

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Where did you deny it?

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Hm. I’m going to take some time to mull this all over. I don’t know if it’s damning as Koishi is making it out to be but I also didn’t realize you’d reacted to it either.

More on this later, have to be productive.

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VOTE: Ichirin

I’m tired of waiting for the catchup

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Duh.

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I take all credit for this catch-up, it is clearly due to pressure of my naked vote.

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to be actually serious though i am glad that at least one (1) person read my posts and understood them and agreed with them and i hope the trend continues

at a glance i find myself generally nodding along with the rest of the post

my gth gut admittedly still leans tenshi town atm but i'd probably have to go back and review why if asked to explain it

I did actually reread it, I’m pondering it

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Hi Aya! Are you caught up?

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That’s fine! What do you think of the catch-up I brought you?

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Spoiler: Divine Fist "GIANT FUCKING WALL"

Im reserving my vote for when I feel confident on something, whether it is my POE or a scumread. I’m trying to take more of a voyeur approach this game which is probably part of why I’ve been stuck on my own island, but I also feel the desire for some more data to analyze.

I referenced Dai up there, but I can give Dai and Kaguya a look over when I get home tonight.

My gut feels bad about "I also feel the desire for some more data to analyze." because I feel like there were already plenty of things to analyze...? Meh.

Clown can you say some words to me about Kaguya?

i really liked her posts about Marisa. there is a lot of merit to the charisma argument that made me reevaluate Marisa myself

it would be a weird choice for scum in Kaguya's position, who is likely seeing the writing on the wall that she is in the PoE pool, to just throw out a Marisa vote and barely even substantiate or push it? i expect calculated scum to target a potential town bloc player to make a splash or go against the grain in a way that will garner town reads on them and help them escape the elimination pool. Kaguya's stance on Marisa does not feel manipulative in that way and does not further an agenda whatsoever, it keeps her more removed from the "in-crowd" and she doesn't really seem to care

in fact a lot of her scum reads seem to center around the consensus town-read players (Yuuka, Sanae, Marisa) which is a strange strategy as scum when it's likely these players will be influential in deciding the ultimate elimination today

i guess she is also scum reading Reisen who would fit the bill as a viable elimination alternative to herself but i have a soft spot for other players scum-reading Reisen...

I really like this, it's pointing me in the right direction for Kaguya because I'm realizing I kinda like Kaguya's reads (on a towniness level not a "I wanna vote that" level), but that might be because we share some ideas. Also yeah. My heart of hearts still thinks blurting out "I'm town" at 2 votes is an eyebrow-raiser but I don't think that's really relevant now.

I'm trying not to, but off-the-cuff I don't actually think you have a lot of content?
I admit that I'd have to re-read your ISO to confirm that but a lot of what I remember you posting is vibes

I remember Koishi's whole dance bit with Kagerou, which I'm probably stealing in the future lol, but off the top of my head I don't really remember Koishi generating new content otherwise, and even after checking ISO I don't really see anything truly noteworthy by this point? But also Koishi keeps stressing their playstyle and how it pertains to that. I'm withholding proper judgement for now until I go back and specifically evaluate Koishi's 1164 and similar, however, maybe after she completes the set.

Re: Yuuka, is someone shading someone by talking nonsense townie now somehow?

Here is the only post about Yuuka you made before the vote

The assaulted one is the post you’re looking for in exhibit A for” this can’t possibly be real/serious”

They never said it was a joke.
So, I’m not taking it as one.

Horrendous take

You have twisted my position into saying that those post are townie, when in fact I think that it is a Yuuka-ism in a way that is entirely divorced from alignment

I found it a little hard to swallow that you think that Yuuka taking Ichirin's post seriously, and not as a joke, is something that would be based on Yuuka's alignment.

Seeing someone point out something that is "bad" or "wrong" and then voting on it, without drawing the line on why being "bad" or "wrong" in that way is more likely to come from scum instead of town pings me.

Nonsense takes tend to come from scum, it being a Yuukaism is completely irrelevant because I don't know who Yuuka is and don't have a past pattern of behaviour for her. This is also the reason why the scumread got softened after I found out it was a Yuukaism (because those parts no longer applied to the read), why are you ignoring that?

Ding ding ding. It being a "Yuukaism" is wholly irrelevant when it seems pretty clear that she's trying to evaluate a read on me out of it, nonsense or no. In general, I don't like Yuuka just completely ignoring my slot now after 970 but I suppose I did all but tell her to stop riding my dick and I haven't exactly been around until now. Didn't stop her from dredging up old posts before, though.

wow! this is by far the worst post i've seen all game! @_@ it contributes nothing to the hunting process and is obviously designed just to kick a clearly hurting player while they're down

in an iso vacuum i'm still not thrilled with aya's body of work but this post and sanae co-signing it in 598 makes me want absolutely nothing to do with voting aya for the foreseeable future and everything to do with exterminating the kagerou/sanae mafpair asap

I really hate this, I feel like it is trying to exacerbate the situation when I frankly raised an eyebrow at the same quote as Kagerou?

That said, this looks like a really weird way to talk about me when you have much wordier qualifiers on the rest of the people you were asked about? It's not like I haven't been majorly present since your last block of reads, I suspect I'm going to be showing up on this week's episode of Hyperposters Least Wanted, starting John Walsh.

you're in a unique position where i was very much not a fan of your predecessor, but was also starting to rethink that stance because i wasn't sure if it was because she was mafia or because her foundational ideas for how to play differed strongly with mine

and then the replacement happened, which means that i still feel how i felt about the slot prior to the replacement but my concerns may no longer apply going forward

so i couldn't just drop you in either the "interested in voting" bin or the "not interested in voting" bin with any sort of confidence, hence the couched wording

I'm not sure I like how cognizant they are of their own trajectory, however I know that I can be a bit susceptible to this too? But referencing their own posts here felt kinda weird

I can see why there are votes on this slot, although admittedly part of me wonders if there is a disconnect with players struggling with the length of Dai's posting?

Have to disagree here on both counts. I'm not particularly invested in a Dai townread but I do think that Kagerou's post was a little gross in addition to getting what Aya was saying wrong, and while this is an anon game and this means jackshit, I have self-referenced quite a bit in the past and I generally do not believe it's a very inherently alignment-indicative thing to do.

My bias to town read active players is a massive issue this game if there's at least one, but definitely if there's two, high-energy scum.

I’m thinking Koishi is town plus the list from the top of the page, which I am now repurposing for my own needs.

I also want to townread this even though it's probably really easy to post as scum, because it's so easy scum probably won't do it. Or something...

I think this is a fallacy of some sort.

Town:
Yuuka - Playing way too aggressive for scum, actively antagonizing others makes it very easy for others to want to murderlate you
Kagerou - 2chaotic2bescum

I think this is a fallacy of some sort. In general I think regularly flushing your brain of the idea that scum only play as conniving tricksters or whatever is good for you because scum playstyles can vary comically and they will especially love it if you hand them a townread for it. Rest of the readlist is like, fine, ig.

2) what makes a tenshi vote more interesting than a vote for me? maybe this is the self-loathing from generations of fairy hatred kicking in but i see myself as more likely to get exterminated than tenshi at this point in the game, so i don't understand why you'd vote tenshi ahead of me while thinking i'm more likely to be mafia

2) I'm more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than you, i feel like the general avoidance around this slot could come from a place of more well inserted scumbuddies uneasy with the idea of drawing the light to their weak like

2) assuming your interest in seeing people's stances on tenshi is honest, what effort did you make to draw those stances out between the tenshi vote and the post i am responding to with this question? (this actually ties pretty neatly into what yuuka and piece have been saying about you lately)

still waiting for an answer to this btw ?_?

(ed. note: nested quotes are cleaned up for ease-of-reading purposes)

sorry missed it

- well, i maybe didn't get as much as i hoped directly at the, but i also feel like i've managed to prevent tenshi from just being able to fly under the radar undetected, and it's just that people don't really care about pushing there

actually hmmm

one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool

VOTE: Tenshi

yeah ik it's dumb counting the vote as that by itself, but it's true

I've lost the plot completely here too.

Just gonna step away and come back with fresh brain.

before you leave give me gun to head a read on Tenshi

save a townie, join the Tenshi wagon

So, a couple of things with this:

1) Posts 717 and 745 come after the time frame I was asking about. I was specifically asking about the time frame between the vote for Tenshi, in 553, and the claim that the vote for Tenshi was cast because you "were more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than [me]", in 655. Presumably, if you were town and telling the truth about this, you would have made efforts to draw out people's stances between 553 and 665. I looked back and did not see any. Given you didn't quote any, I'm assuming you didn't see any either. Therefore, I have to conclude that the reason you gave for the vote is bunk, and because town has no reason to give bunk reasons for their votes, you are Mafia.

2) Posts 717 and 745 don't really give any reason to consider Tenshi voteworthy. In fact, Sanae's question in 719 is the only real response one can to 717, because you hadn't given any reason for anyone else to consider voting for Tenshi up to that point. Your response in 723 exists, sure, but even setting aside that the reasoning there appears to amount to "vibes", there was no reason town you couldn't have provided that reasoning 150 posts prior. This instead comes across as making something up after the fact, which suggests Mafia.

holy shit shes cooking. Big huge agree here.

Please forgive my breaking of character, I'm tired.

VOTE: Daiyousei

The entire line of questioning in 889 is really bad. Why does Daiyousei care about the fact that my scumread of Kaguya can be applied to other people? I'm explicitly fine with voting the other people. Why does Daiyousei care that I said I don't understand how anyone could have a townread on Kaguya? Even if only Kagerou was townreading Kaguya, nobody else was voting her. I didn't understand why nobody was interested in a Kaguya vote and said so. None of this is actually relevant to my alignment in any way and none of this even gives a reason not to vote Kaguya. It just feels like a discredit attempt, or at best an attempt to look like Daiyousei is questioning and investigative (and therefore towny).

Why does Daiyousei care about the fact that my scumread of Kaguya can be applied to other people?

- Because the line I asked about

didn't

apply to Kaguya. Here, I'll ask directly - how does "Anything that looks town indicative can be faked with a bit of practice" apply to someone about whom you just said ""none of her posts are town indicative"? If you can answer that question to my satisfaction then I'll feel better about you using it as justification for the Kaguya vote.

Why does Daiyousei care that I said I don't understand how anyone could have a townread on Kaguya? Even if only Kagerou was townreading Kaguya, nobody else was voting her. I didn't understand why nobody was interested in a Kaguya vote and said so.

- "I don't understand how anyone can have a strong townread on her!" is

not

the same thing as "I don't understand why nobody is interested in a Kaguya vote". Do not try to equate these two things. If you can give me evidence that a non-trivial collection of people that actually had a strong townread of Kaguya at the time, then I'll gladly (and sheepishly) withdraw the point. But don't give me evidence that a non-trivial collection of people weren't interested in a Kaguya vote and try to present that as them having strong townreads on Kaguya. Speaking for myself, there are a handful of people I presently am not interested in voting but also do not have strong townreads on, and I imagine the same is true of most of the rest of the game.

How this is all relevant to your alignment is related to the "town has no reason to give bunk reasons for their votes" thing I covered above. I was skeptical of your vote, and your response to my questioning about it made me more skeptical, ergo I lean toward you being Mafia.

I also mentioned that her cases on both Aya and Kagerou were fake, and I stand by that.

Aya breaking character happened after Daiyousei's bad case on Aya and therefore has no relevance to whether or not the case was good.

I already covered this in 891, but I suppose I can expand on the Aya stuff specifically.

My comments on Aya were made in 392. Aya had made nine posts up to that point. Here's the first so that anyone that wants to follow along can click the ISO link. In those nine posts, there is a partial role claim in 229 and a general Mafia behavior opinion in 255. Beyond that, I do not see any game state opinions in any of those posts - who she thinks is town, who she thinks is Mafia, reasons for those beliefs, etc. Given this, I do not think it is particularly unfair to have categorized her play up to that point as "do-nothing" or "pretending to contribute". If there are game state opinions in those posts that I have missed, please do point them out for me! Otherwise I will stand by what I said in 392 and find it very suspect that you continue to disagree.

Also, as long as I'm talking about this, given you very recently settled on Yuuka being town, what do you think of her vote for and commentary on Aya from that same general time frame compared to my commentary?

i take back what i said about not being invested in a daiyousei townread this little big fairy can BALL

Leaving things at like page 49 because I need to take a walk, but I think this is pretty much everything I'd wanna say anyway. VOTE: Kagerou

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m honestly confused what the case on Kagerou is?

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I will say the one thing that struck me as weird was Kagerou saying they were why I wasn’t under the radar.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Does this feel like theater to anyone else?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

i am caught up

the only update of note is that Tenshi has really towned it up these past several pages.

i guess Ichirin dropped a bit but immediately redeemed hirself with posts that i liked so sie's still a town read

i really want Aya and Marisa and Reisen to do more things before the Day is over

I’ve been town this whole time, but everyone just wasn’t ready to see it

Also noting to myself to revisit the Yuuka vote on Koishi

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Re Yuukas vote on Koishi, despite telegraphed, Yuuka was not around until almost an hour after the larva post. I think Koishis point would have more merit if yuuka was actively posting at the time?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

i know i just voted Koishi but i do not understand why everyone and their mother took issue with their characterization of Yuuka as "middle-of-the-road"?

what is so horrible about them drawing that conclusion?

I think that peoples issue was that if you read their point by point commentary, it seems like they say a lot more things that point to town, and then people are taking "middle of the pack at best" as a scum read, and people are struggling to reconcile the final conclusion to the supporting evidence.

But I dont think koishi was actually meaning a scum read when they wrote it, so :shrug:

For the record, I knew it was a null read, but the sides of the scale feel weird.

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I don’t think it’s scummy to wait for things to develop more before placing a vote though? Like what makes town NOT feel more comfortable voting someone when one of their townreads (I’m pretty confident but not 100 this is the case) also scumreads someone?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I still think that the 1v1 of Kagerou and Ichirin felt like theater to me.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

(and also apparently having a strange Yuuka case)

Something about the way you worded this feels like... off? Can you elaborate, because this sounds like you don't actually care about it, but about how OTHERS perceived it? Do you not have an opinion of your own?

I've literally said I haven't looked at those posts yet, I've only noticed the discussion around the Yuuka one.

Okay, so that was a realistic position for you two hours ago, but why are you not making a point of going back to read? You've made posts since so you HAVE been here?

I hate this post on many levels

Just want to add that this sort of sounds like scum!Koishi talking to town!Ichirin
This feels

very

not SvS to me

Is there a chance of the other way around?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Okay, I read it and I agree that’s sketchy and I’m sorry it took me so long to parse it I struggle with long walls

Kagerous stance around us has been weird and also I kinda am townreading Dai now?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m curious to hear you expand on that after, I’ll try and reread when I have time too

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Koishi what’s your stance on the 1v1 happening? Unless I missed it somewhere

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Can someone give me the tl;dr of the Koishi case? Because I'm side eyeing the slot and I'm a bit surprised how fast the wagon has grown. I know there's something about appearing to do busywork but I'm a bit confused what makes Koishi a more enticing wagon than Ichirin who's huge big amazing wall was kinda just 5 posts that I don't understand why they were chosen, and as Koishi mentioned they were listed as second strongest scumread with zero references?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I don't really understand Kagerou's Ichirin read trajectory, either. They had Ichirin as townish for a good chunk of the game, until calling the catchup scummy without any real elaboration, but now feels confident enough in the read to 1v1?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Likewise for Reisen, too. This is a weird wagon to track.

I do want to hear what Kaguya's and Marisa's thoughts on all of this are too.

@Dai what do you think of Ichirin? You mentioned feeling neutral early on but I cannot seem to find any other real mention lately, but you've also been trying to get people to read your walls repeatedly so I get that.

Pedit-
Thank you! That makes sense. Also that is an incredibly town post.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

If I could request the next walls be the competing wagons?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I'd argue Aya is anything but LHF, and I expect that read to be an extremely uphill battle.

Spoiler: Selfaware of game state oooooooooooooooo scary mafia thing

Aya is also the only person (and the only reporter too) calling me lock town right now, so I am fully aware that pushing there removed the largest thing stopping my own wagon, but that doesn't change the way I feel.

This is factoring in to my thoughts, it is not lost on me.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I really hate Kagerou and Ichirin interactions.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Do I like causing mass hysteria and panic?

Yes.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

VOTE: Kagerou

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

VOTE: Kagerou

<------ Scum is here

like look flip me if you want but you'll have to kill one of Tenshi / Ichirin tommorow

Your trajectory on Ichirin is trash and I’ve said it multiple times. What Dai just quoted is also awful.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Yuuka go review Kagerous trajectory for the read on Ichirin please.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

There was this townread that somehow shifted on a dime to a scumread Kagerou felt comfortable 1v1ing without any real established push from them prior. And that “miswording” feels bizarre on top of that.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

So you don’t buy the ‘somehow’ shifted on a dime thing as coming from town kagerou.

And you don’t buy that they didn’t misstate or exaggerate their read. In a moment of carelessness.

I’m saying both are conveniently pushing towards the same goal. Does how Kagerous ichirin push developed not bother you?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

There was this townread that somehow shifted on a dime to a scumread Kagerou felt comfortable 1v1ing without any real established push from them prior. And that “miswording” feels bizarre on top of that.

Ichirin made a towny post wow

*4 real life days happen*

ok maybe Ichirin isn't town let's fight

WOW SO SUDDEN AND UNPRECEDENT OF YOU KAGEROU, YOU MUST B A MMBR OF THE MAFIA

God forbid you claim to keep me from flying under the radar again!

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

1. Not quite following. I’ll assume you mean to say that it’s convenient that they said they misspoke because that absolves them of having to defend their position.
2. Yes, I’d love to know how their reads have developed.

1) Kind of? Basically the “misspeak” pushes the same end goal as what was already a sketchy part of the ISO.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Just look over it after your nap, lol

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

@Ichirin- do your targets know if they’ve been poisoned?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Kagerou had voiced that their read on Ichirin was open to change prior to the 1v1.

Clown raises some interesting points in a vaccum, i guess i should probably read Ichirin's ISO

Like I will give you that there was a decided lack of follow up, but [starting to agree with some of the things clown says] + [seeing new content they dont like] + [said new content is directed at them] is believable pivot point to me.

Especially when their first response to Ichirin's "giant fucking wall" was tempered (1301) until Ichirin doubled down with 1318 (which I also found scummy).

Would you feel comfortable 1v1ing someone on day one off of someone else’s read?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I do want Koishi and Aya interactions to develop a bit more, too.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Would you feel comfortable 1v1ing someone on day one off of someone else’s read?

I do not think that that is an accurate portrayal of what happened. It did not jump from "Clown is making good points" to "and now I am willing to 1v1 the slot"

My points were causing Kagerou to be open to reconsidering the slot.

Kagerou's reaction to Ichirin's catch up was to be open to voting the slot -- 1301.

Kagerou's reaction to 1318 was to be willing to 1v1 the slot -- 1325.

And as an outsider looking at Ichirin's push, it felt disingenuous. Add in a splash of OMGUS because the push is directed at Kagerou, and I buy the escalation.

In all honesty, I’m really back and forth between the two slots. I probably need to dedicate time to ISO each

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I do want Koishi and Aya interactions to develop a bit more, too.

Unfortunately, I think given what went down last night, Aya saw her shadow and we're in for 48 more hours of winter.

Even if I push myself I suspect she's not going to appear again for a bit.

Yeah, I realized that.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I have been ruminating that, also just wishing for more data to go off of in general. But beggars and choosers.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

@Ichirin you were concerned there are only two scum?

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@Ichirin you were concerned there are only two scum?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

@Ichirin you were concerned there are only two scum?

The setup doesn't specify numbers so I am actually a little concerned about a third scum, yes.

@Koishi, thoughts?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Am I stupid to use this as a town tell?

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I'm also trying to weight this claim while sitting with a town role PM that actually does in fact do town things instead of whatever crazy shenanigans making people hated and macho and shit for funsies is.

Like, yes, the mod has stated that he did roles AFTER alignments but that this didn't affect outcomes... but do I believe him? I believe he believes that but subconsciously, surely there was brain-tweakage to make it feel "right" and "fair"?

Because I've fallen into that trap and now explicitly forbid myself from doing setups in that order.

(Mod meta is only fun when you're on the mod side watching your players dance and suffer, this side sucks)

I don’t know if we should base this solely on mod meta and instead reference touhou upick meta. Hated HAS been a thing in past 2hu games, and the mod does explicitly say anything that would slant an advantage is disabled in MELO in the rules iirc

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

The scum equity of that role is just insane imo?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

The scum equity of that role is just insane imo?

Ichirin, is there a reason why me saying your role has scum equity makes me a "rat"

But Tenshi saying that your role has "insane" scum equity gets no comment?

She's a rat too if she actually believes it. I missed that and "oops all scummy bullshit" from Koishi at first, and especially now that I know I'm not just condemning all of town to being Hated for a day this is a pretty Neat role for town, especially the random and deliberate redirection.

This is not the first time Ichirin has entirely glossed over my posts, yet also say sie is trying to sort me

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’d argue my role composition looks pretty close to Fakegods 2hu role PMs

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I am around but stepped back as the subject of one of your questions

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I said the whole time I could not figure out where to sink my teeth in and now finally have a solid footing.

Also, I’ve been kicking around the same concerns. It’s tricky when we cannot even get a read on half of the thread

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I don’t really know what you mean about reisen but at the same time I do and I see it?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

You still unsure on Yuuka?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

You still think Aya is scum?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m back and forth on you, partially due to how Aya’s interactions with you have gone. I don’t think the two of you are scum together.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I really hated how Ichirin simultaneously claimed I’m not trying to read hir when blatantly ignoring multiple of my posts

I really hate Kagerous 1v1 thing

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

It's actually amazing to me that people are not resolved on me yet but like also are good enough players to sign up for an anon game.

I'm wondering if it's because mafia already saw it and just is sitting back and town isn't actively looking for it so keeps rolling nat 1s.

The town of all town have all been general consensus lol. I’m not sure what I expected scum strategy to be for an anon game, but creating a town a palooza is as good a strat as any when you don’t know how to adapt to certain slots

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I really hate how spread out the wagons have been this game, it’s such a weird thing to look on in reviewing the vote counts

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I feel like I could justify a townread on every slot in the game other than Ichirin. Maybe not Marisa either due to staleness of the ISO.

But I am not convinced that makes ichirin scum.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

@reisen- sorry if I missed something! Could you direct me to it and I’ll gladly answer?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

You think your walls are going to get done before D2 Koishi?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m assuming you’re an IC of some sort?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Why would a BG claim lol

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Idfk. White mage?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I don’t have time to go mod meta atm and my mind is super blanking

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Weak?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Hm. That has some interesting implications.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m just glad I wasn’t the first to slip.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

My vote is going on ichirin after VC updates I think

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m just glad I wasn’t the first to slip.

I legit thought that it was you who had slipped given who was active at the time.

I’m flattered you think I’m Luke!

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

You missed a lot of things.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

What’s your focus on statistics this game about, yuuka?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Fucking how am I supposed to ever scum read that?

Yuuka is stubborn town whose emotional empathy may or may not have been cut off at birth.

Do you want your I told you so now or later?

@reisen- sorry if I missed something! Could you direct me to it and I’ll gladly answer?

Likewise for Reisen, too. This is a weird wagon to track.

I do want to hear what Kaguya's and Marisa's thoughts on all of this are too.

@Dai what do you think of Ichirin? You mentioned feeling neutral early on but I cannot seem to find any other real mention lately, but you've also been trying to get people to read your walls repeatedly so I get that.

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Thank you! That makes sense. Also that is an incredibly town post.

Clown got me thinking about ichirin a little more like ~800 posts ago. The reasons I had for townreading Ichirin weren’t that solid to begin with and I haven’t been able to shake that the interactions of koichi/eternity/ and to some degree Yuuka around that time frame were weird. I also think there’s a world Ichirin and eternity are paired, though they are being the voice for a lot of my concerns with koichi as of recently.

As far as koichi being a shiny new wagon, would love it if it weren’t for the timing. The push for a third wagon is just making me double down that one of the wagons on Ichirin/kagerou are on scum.


I’d much prefer slots consolidating on reads and making a hard committal than opening the door on another wagon and letting scum spread around more or divert somewhere else.

Tenshi what is the difference for you in Yuuka being too aggressive to be scum and Ichirin being aggressive? Or is there more to your Yuuka read?

Off the top of my head. Anything older probably doesn’t matter now anyways.

I think you have a good point about the attempt to create a third wagon, but I also don’t understand why you think Larva and Ichirin might be aligned? It’s also strange how many people on the wagon have deferred their read to clownpiece, without substantial backing of their own. That was part of Clownpieces defense of Kagerou, too.

I don’t even think it’s necessarily the aggression from Ichirin, there’s just a disconnect in their words and actions that has been bothering me all game. Yuuka’s aggression has been relatively consistent and follows some form of “logic”, whether or not said logic includes empathy isn’t really important here.

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I’m not really super sure which way I want to proceed. I might skim some VCs and see if that shakes anything loose?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

That’s how I feel about obfuscation.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Why is Kaguya scum? I seem to be missing something.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m having a bad time over here. Won’t be around for a bit. Sorry.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Please do not kill Yuuka while I’m away.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m lurking but my spoon count is at about a quarter teaspoon

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Hey guys, if we could not kill someone who claimed Bodyguard unprompted day 1 bc of the potential negative utility that would be peachy.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

So should we just lim Ichirin and call it a day?

Between the two claims, yeah.

@Kagerou- the claim mentioned giving the survivor the ability to bypass modifiers which WOULD fuck with potential mech solves down the line if we were unaware

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I for one think this is a stupid wagon, and last minute counter wagons are the easiest to manipulate.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I don’t even have Koishi in my top tier townreads but it seems crazy to kill a player who will likely resolve within two cycles

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Aya is the only other person I’d consider a flash wagon on.

VOTE: Ichirin

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

@Koishi- ? Thoughts?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Why is Reisen town? You can quote if I missed it.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Why is Reisen town? You can quote if I missed it.

It's dipped a little in recent... call it the last 20 pages but the first 80 pages of this game were Reisen glowing town, IMO. Do you want me to wave my hands and use the words I use to describe my townreads and then have them get called buzzwordy or would you like the method where I quote posts and point at their context and go "how can you not see this as town?" and then have people dismiss me for not providing enough evidence?

Just hit me with the buzzwords, I’ll skim everything when I have a second at work.

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What you’re saying makes sense, but I also think there’s potential for the day to be flipped on it’s head if Ichirin does flip town, people will instead be hyper focused on the high post count people instead. I guess I’d characterize Reisen as the most under the radar person in the game, and I am less enthused about someone ceding control when there have been a lot of big voices in this game fighting for control? It seems like the best way to avoid scrutiny, IMO

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What you’re saying makes sense, but I also think there’s potential for the day to be flipped on it’s head if Ichirin does flip town, people will instead be hyper focused on the high post count people instead. I guess I’d characterize Reisen as the most under the radar person in the game, and I am less enthused about someone ceding control when there have been a lot of big voices in this game fighting for control? It seems like the best way to avoid scrutiny, IMO

Every read typing in Mafia has a WIFOM answer to it, minus mechanical locking. Like, you can always find a reply to a play that is subversive to standard and beats the standard. Right? It's about how likely that subversion is to come pre-knowledge of it being a good subversion.

I guess my stance is I think this is more a ploy to cede control to stay under the radar. I see your points and am considering it on my drive home.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Spell cards are extra one shot abilities that typically can be used in conjunction with your active.

Basically you are active and can multitask a spell card.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Koishi thoughts on Aya recent posting? All hesitantly leaning Koishi town on actual posting now.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’ve been mulling over the Reisen thing and while I see what Ayas saying I’m not sure that I agree with it?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I think I’m roughly around where you are, just swap Reisen with Dai and Aya isn’t that high

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Kinda around Sanae?

I feel weird about being one of the few people townreading you.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m pretty invested in this bullet point list we’re supposedly getting because I’m kinda stuck atm.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I was thinking similarly, but I wanted to see what other actions were taken and things fleshed out a bit more. I did like the Reisen interaction?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Sorry, distracted.

I really need to give Marisa’s “replace in” a second look at some point.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m lurking for the next hour or so

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Reading is tech.