Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Aristeia]

I do wish people would listen to me like just once this game

that would be nice

well kay dies tomorrow if you're town. good enough for you?

I dunno can I trust you to actually follow through

[Aristeia]

like you havent listened to me all game so I'm not sure I can trust you'll actually listen to me after i'm dead.

I'm obviously going to prefer to lim kay today when I'm alive and have a vote. I have no idea what happens tomm after I'm dead.

[Aristeia]

like I told you if gera flipped mafia then the partner is kay

and if gera flipped town the team is kay + hu tao

- which implies I think titus is always town

but you said no I want to shoot titus

then I told you if Titus is mafia your bullet won't work so you can only shoot titus if she's town

then you said ok but i still want to shoot titus

I can't really say anything about your nightplay so far other than its borderline game throwing levels of bad.

so why should I trust you to do the right thing tommorrow?

[Psyche]

it's not a matter of listening to you. it's a matter of following through on my own hutown read.

[Aristeia]

I even told you to shoot me if you really think I'm mafia

but no you just had to shoot titus

like what do you want me to say at this point to you psyche

that I trust you'll finally care about my opinion after I'm dead? I'm sorry I just don't have that level of faith

but it would be nice to not have to post in this game again because at least I won't be ignored anymore since i'll be dead.

[Aristeia]

it's not a matter of listening to you. it's a matter of following through on my own hutown read.

you had a kay is locktown consensus read 5 hours ago

I do not know what goes on in your brain

you can easily change your mind again

if you want to kill me just do it

but no i do not trust you to listen to me or get it right if that's what you're asking me. I have absolutely 0 faith in you.

[Psyche]

I can't really say anything about your nightplay so far other than its borderline game throwing levels of bad.

we've all made some pretty substantial mistakes this game though right? you seem to be suggesting you've had a great track record but...

[Aristeia]

I can't really say anything about your nightplay so far other than its borderline game throwing levels of bad.

we've all made some pretty substantial mistakes this game though right? you seem to be suggesting you've had a great track record but...

well if Kay is the last mafia I pretty much had the right team yesterday and you decided to ignore me and shoot titus anyway so I'm not sure you want to go into who's doing a better job.

[Psyche]

it's not a good use of time. im glad you feel good about your play this game

[Aristeia]

it's not a good use of time. im glad you feel good about your play this game

I don't really feel great about how I played but I don't think I could've done much better because I don't think anyone actually bothered to listen to me at any point except maybe Dannflor so it is what it is.

[Aristeia]

it's not a good use of time. im glad you feel good about your play this game

you know what would be a good use of your time though?

opening up some completed mini normal setups to see what the actual balance looks like so you can realize that there is no way there is a gunsmith and an informed townie in this game instead of arguing with me about whether you did a good job on your nightkills or whether I did a good job of scumhunting.

[Aristeia]

like here I am asking for the fourth time for you and anyone else in this game to go look at how normals actually are balanced so you can understand there is no way this setup can exist where there's a informed townie + a gunsmith and that would actually break the game open.

[Psyche]

I think your posting this game has been kind of abusive. Maybe it explains why no one "listens" to. Because reading your posts is like squeezing peppers into the eye. It's a drag engaging with you.

[Aristeia]

like here I am asking for the fourth time for you and anyone else in this game to go look at how normals actually are balanced so you can understand there is no way this setup can exist where there's a informed townie + a gunsmith and that would actually break the game open.

sure tell me what's abusive about this post

[Aristeia]

I recognize that I come across as frustrated or annoyed or downright hostile/abusive at times but it mostly comes from a place of being deeply annoyed that I am ignored when I ask nicely.

[Psyche]

like have you made one post in this thread that is not dripping with sarcasm and venom
this is a

game

. none of this stuff is that serious

[Psyche]

sorry for getting heated again. ive been posting too much. im gonna take a breather

[Aristeia]

Psyche when I get annoyed at you it's because I spend a large amount of time explaining my worldview to you. Time I could be spending sleeping or doing any number of other enjoyable things.

I also take the time to read the things you post. I also consider them and sometimes listen to you.

So when I see you ask me a question like "who is hu tao's partner?" or "who is your solve at this point?" after I've spent hours laying out various scenarios and plays and why a hypothetical scum team did this or that.

It shows me that you did not really read a word of what I wrote.

and that makes me feel disrespected and that I wasted a large amount of my time writing it out for you.

and yes I can get upset about that but I think I do have a right to get upset when you just don't give a shit about my opinion.

So for you to then turn around and say you know you're just kind of abusive and mean and that's why I'm ignoring you. Kind of ignores all the times I was pretty nice to you and you just ignored me anyway.

[Aristeia]

like have you made one post in this thread that is not dripping with sarcasm and venom
this is a game. none of this stuff is that serious

I think this willfully ignores the vast majority of my posts in this game and is an incredibly mean thing to say about someone.

[Hu Tao]

looks like kay is the consensus townread. so we are probably safe as long as that read is correct.
if PC/RN can commit to playing along those lines and agree, then we can just decide to let the victory go to kay, whatever her alliance is.

the safe play is to kill kay here. since they were roleblocked and no kill came through. the question isn't wether kay is town read the question is do you believe hu tao's case on town kay or are you town reading kay because of other reasons and for sure believe kay is town. if you do I would like to hear it.

You do make sense. But if it's ari you all do not town read me over ari so yeah.

[Aristeia]

We can go post by post if you would like

[Hu Tao]

Game is solved if Hutao can stay alive? Hutao, you're never getting limmed this game, right?

RN does not Town read me. So it depends PC too

[Aristeia]

you know what you're right. it's all my fault I am a bad person let's just yeet me and go to tomorrow

VOTE: ari

[Hu Tao]

I do wish people would listen to me like just once this game

that would be nice

well kay dies tomorrow if you're town. good enough for you?

I dunno can I trust you to actually follow through

I trust psyche to follow through. I do not trust RN to. I've seen that man scum read me when I was pretty much conf town by his own result.

[Aristeia]

I am not that sure Kay is the last mafia

everything tells me she is and what I outlined is true.

you don't have to listen to me tomorrow - make your own decision do whatever you want I won't hold it against you.

it's just a game and you should do what makes you happy. I am sorry I made it so miserable for you.