Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[KayJayQueue]

idk titus claimed gated roleblocker and said she blocked me last night and that's why she thought a vig killed Klick and I was scum

Can someone walk me through why anyone would think a vig killed klick? Was there something I didn’t see day 1? It’s a crazy jump for Titus to believe you were blocked as scum and vig killed instead of the statistically more likely option that literally anyone else was scum and killed klick, as scum. How is that the prevailing interpretation of night 1’s events? Is it just an insanely strong belief in her read? Because I also don’t understand where her confident scum-read came from.

[KayJayQueue]

Is it just an insanely strong belief in her read?

you say this as though this game hasn't been full of townies with insanely strong beliefs in their reads

True but this seems like a huge leap from “I scumread him” to “there’s no way he wasn’t scum and also no way he wasn’t the one that took the shot”. (Yeah, yeah, says the person willing to take a bullet for Hu against her will apparently.)

[KayJayQueue]

I’m falling in and out of sleep. Last time hammer happened while I was asleep. That being said…

VOTE: NAS

[KayJayQueue]

Omfg PC

I didn’t know I was going to be hammer wow what timing. No need to kill me tonight, I’ll be yeeted day 3 after that just happened.

[KayJayQueue]

i think i'll blame RN for this elimination too

Whew

[KayJayQueue]

What is a p-edit? Wait I need a pdf of terms stat

[KayJayQueue]

What is a p-edit? Wait I need a pdf of terms stat

a ninja

Is this a code word??

[KayJayQueue]

Thank you

[KayJayQueue]

Dannflor has been killed night 2. he was a

vanilla townie

.

davesaz has been killed night 2. he was a

vanilla townie

.

the sun rises. it is now day 3.

Does anyone know if the order they are posted means anything?

[KayJayQueue]

K, so, I'm so gonna die Night 3.

I thought there were roles that can protect you?

[KayJayQueue]

I do think one of the Vigs targeted me though. Night 1? Can't remember off the top of my head.

I don’t recall this at all, am I majorly blanking? Does vig have multiple shots? But you’re confirmed, how does that make any sense anyway?

[KayJayQueue]

I do think one of the Vigs targeted me though. Night 1? Can't remember off the top of my head.

What I meant to say is perhaps Scum targeted me and the Vig killed the other one.

That’s right, isn’t that the night Titus claimed to blocking someone?

[KayJayQueue]

this conversation reads like a near midnight conversation yessirree

Only 8:30 for meee

[KayJayQueue]

And just checking again I’m not sure my earlier question was answered, do we know if the order it was posted means anything to which kill was which last night?

[KayJayQueue]

How many times can the vig kill? Is it 2, that’s why we’re speculating them having 2 kills? I feel like it’s obviously 100% they killed last night, I don’t know how else to account for 2 deaths. First night kill is just a guess?

[KayJayQueue]

geraintm, Aristeia, Titus, KayJayQueue, Psyche, Political Clout.

This should be the claim order IMO

still think we should roughly try to stick to this claim order

this is the proposed order! maybe most controversial part is the clout position

Did we forget Hu or is she last?

[KayJayQueue]

geraintm, Aristeia, Titus, KayJayQueue, Psyche, Political Clout.

This should be the claim order IMO

still think we should roughly try to stick to this claim order

this is the proposed order! maybe most controversial part is the clout position

Did we forget Hu or is she last?

Hu claimed VT on day one

I guess I should be taking notes

[KayJayQueue]

Question about claiming: we just say the role and not any other info we might have from it (yet)?

[KayJayQueue]

I think my information would be better to give once everyone has claimed but I can give what my role is now. I almost want to insist on holding my info because it could be useful if anyone doubleclaims.

[KayJayQueue]

I am “informed”. I’m sure there might be a guess as to the modifier since I gave something away, but I’ll hold onto the rest until the other claims.

[KayJayQueue]

and then kjq can accidentally on purpose hammer again.

I’ll never make that mistake again

[KayJayQueue]

and then kjq can accidentally on purpose hammer again.

I’ll never make that mistake again

The only reason I’m not kicking myself about it!

it was a cool hammer though.

[KayJayQueue]

and then kjq can accidentally on purpose hammer again.

I’ll never make that mistake again

it was a cool hammer though.

The only reason I’m not kicking myself about it!

(One day I’ll learn to format correctly on my phone)

[KayJayQueue]

No, I’m Spartacus!

[KayJayQueue]

unfortunate you didnt shoot gera

Yes when do we get the who and why of last night? Very curious about it!

[KayJayQueue]

So we have no doubleclaims then right? My info is about just one player.

[KayJayQueue]

So we have no doubleclaims then right? My info is about just one player.

Who is the specific player?

PC

[KayJayQueue]

So we have no doubleclaims then right? My info is about just one player.

Who is the specific player?

PC

Darn. Okay. Out it. What is it?

I found out PC’s alignment. I only got information night 2 though.

Any guesses? lol

[KayJayQueue]

So we have no doubleclaims then right? My info is about just one player.

Who is the specific player?

PC

Darn. Okay. Out it. What is it?

I found out PC’s alignment. I only got information night 2 though.

Any guesses? lol

Just say it. Also why was it PC in particular?

I have no idea why it was them in particular. I didn’t get to like choose who to get the information about or I might’ve chosen someone else. It just said I learn that they are aligned with the town.

[KayJayQueue]

what is your full role name

“Night 2 Informed Townie”

[KayJayQueue]

I just didn’t want to give all the info away before everyone else claimed because if there was a chance you and PC actually double claimed, I would’ve been able to my shining moment of this game

[KayJayQueue]

I’m on the edge of my seat!

[KayJayQueue]

Titus where are youuu

[KayJayQueue]

kay how does your role work?

like are you paired to a player pregame and then on night two you learn they are town

or is it like on night two the mod rands an alive player and tells you they are town out of all the town players

or like on night two you get a random result on a player in the game?

I’m not allowed to copy word for word right? I’ll just paraphrase it because I don’t want to break the rules. Basically, I was told I would be given info on the second night about some aspect of the game. The second part says I don’t have any active ability.

[KayJayQueue]

kay how does your role work?

like are you paired to a player pregame and then on night two you learn they are town

or is it like on night two the mod rands an alive player and tells you they are town out of all the town players

or like on night two you get a random result on a player in the game?

If you’re asking if it said which player I was going to get info on originally, it did not. If there was something going on behind the scenes to detail what info I was given, I was not aware of it.

[KayJayQueue]

I just reread the rules and it says not to quote messages from mods…and I know it says I can paraphrase but I’m feeling uncomfortable about being questioned like this. Are you trying to get me to break the rules? I asked the mod the questions you asked me, no answer yet obviously but now I’m worried I’m making a mistake by giving the info? Sorry, I literally don’t know how this works.

[KayJayQueue]

I'm not trying to get you to break the rules I'm trying to gauge how powerful your claimed role is and whether it can exist in this game.

You're allowed to paraphrase or relay moderator answers about your role as long as you do it in a way that doesn't prove that the moderator said something to you by like copying it word for word.

relaying simple yes or no answers doesn't apply because it's just yes or no and it doesn't actually prove anything.

Okay the answers I got were:
The player I find out info about is predetermined before the game starts.
1. Yes, that would be a possibility if that was my predetermined player.
2. Mod can’t give me the answer to this question.
3. No, because of how things are done during setup.

[KayJayQueue]

ok thanks

who do you think the mafia are?

Well I know it’s not PC, RN is cleared, psych seems cleared as vig with no counterclaim, so can’t be them. So it has to be 2 of the remaining 4. I’ve obviously felt good about Hu this entire game (especially day 1) so I’d feel hit with a ton of bricks if it were Hu. But it has to be narrowed down to Titus, gera, you and Hu because nothing else would fit. If you’re asking me which 2, my past scum reads had been Titus and gera. I thought I was wrong about Titus with the early claim but now with everyone else claimed, it seems very possible that was a lie. It always struck me a bit odd how adamant the vig shot claim was from Titus but I guess I assumed such an early claim had to be legit. Not sure I believe it anymore.

[KayJayQueue]

The only thing I’m worried about is that I’ve trusted Hu this entire time, then she waited until everyone claimed to claim and now has drafted our “plan to win” and leaves out herself again. I’ve townread her from the beginning so it’s hard to think she’s just been masterfully lying this entire time. I know PC(from the info I received) and RN are definitely clear, and I also believe psyche is clear as vig, I can’t just be blind that there’s only 4 people left and 2 are bad. Of those 4, 3 are claiming non-vanilla roles. So there are 2 people lying. I’m not sure the usual setup for games in terms of how many roles, how many vanilla, etc. so I don’t know if Ari could also be lying or not either. I think today’s vote is pretty set and will probably be correct, but other than that, I’m just a little apprehensive about my past reads now that all these claims have happened.

[KayJayQueue]

This plan sounds fine to me. My role doesn’t do anything else anyway so as long as this is the best way to figure out who is what, I say we do it. Let me know when we’re voting.

[KayJayQueue]

Is there a play where using Gera's doc shot and eliminating someone else would work out better?

Who would scum be shooting? RN? You?

[KayJayQueue]

I have a question, wouldn’t it make sense to not have 2 roles on me? Roleblock me but gun check Titus? Because if there’s a chance Titus is lying, do we get confirmed info about Titus? This has to assume gera is scum. Because how do we get confirmed info on Hu/Titus when they can just say “yeah I role blocked/gun checked” you, etc.

[KayJayQueue]

does RN or gera have readss

Yeah I’d definitely like to know their opinions, specifically RN just to make sure everything we are planning makes sense to him too. And if gera has input, I’ll be open to hearing it.

[KayJayQueue]

VLA this weekend

Titus if we wait for the next three days will you have time to actually play the game Monday or Tuesday?

I’d also prefer to continue when Titus is able to give her attention to the game. I feel like we’re at a very important and pivotal place in the game and I think we need to have everyone giving input and being present for discussion.

[KayJayQueue]

V/LA this weekend.

Same question as for Titus, will you be able to be around Mon/Tues?

[KayJayQueue]

I'm fine with stewing too.

I’m cool with stew but like, what kind? Brunswick, Irish, lamb, gumbo? I need to know how we’re going to be stewing so I put the correct energy into it.

[KayJayQueue]

I'm fine with stewing too.

I’m cool with stew but like, what kind? Brunswick, Irish, lamb, gumbo? I need to know how we’re going to be stewing so I put the correct energy into it.

usually at this point I would go read their other games or something like that to get a better feel but for some reason sometimes I feel like it's cheating and not very fun and goes against the spirit of the game and other times I'm like yeah let's just see what's up. So a reading stew probably.

I mean, technically I’m going to be going in and out of being extremely busy at work until I fly home Monday morning so this stewing might also help me not miss anything during the rest of the weekend. But in my down time I’m over here like “ahhh nothing’s happening, I should join another game!”

[KayJayQueue]

You should claim vla in bold on those days. I think I might go read hu taos games.

Well I’m not fully gone just not as crack-head obsessed type posting like I usual am lol I’ve only been posting less here recently because the end game is kind of boggling my mind a bit but I’m trying my best to keep up.

[KayJayQueue]

Wait so we’re not waiting for the two VLA? I guess I misunderstood what we were agreeing to earlier. Are we saying it’s not worth waiting?

[KayJayQueue]

How possible is it that PC could be Scum?

10%?

I trust you all to know about the ins and outs of this but is there literally any possible way I’m given a “PC is aligned with the town” if he’s not actually town? I assumed it was a 100% confirmation.

[KayJayQueue]

Okay, well I feel like whatever happened at night was done to set me up to be voted here based on all the plans that were made before the last vote. I don’t know what to believe because it’s down to two people. One who knows I’ve defended and believed them since pretty early on and the other who seems extremely against me, which I guess is to be expected when 3 people are cleared, but it still feels excessive. I know what I’m supposed to think here but am I being 4-D chessed? Is this reverse psychology? Is my only option here to vote Ari or am I just dying no matter what?

[KayJayQueue]

I honestly have no idea at this point if it’s Hu or Ari. I feel like I should have a better idea of who it is but I’m second guessing myself when I think about everything that’s happened in the game. Because they’ve both done things that I thought “clearly that’s a town thing to do” but maybe the issue here is that…do I really know what is and isn’t town? I think my inexperience is actually just hurting us. I think I’ll just do whatever RN, PC and psyche think is best. If that’s dying, so be it, I still think that we can win if they figure out which one it is.

[KayJayQueue]

i think its kay because I think kay/gera both trueclaimed their roles.

kay should be informed mafia and gera is a doctor, they probably didn't know that they shouldn't have claimed their actual roles because they do not fit into this setup.

How does my role make sense if I wasn’t town? I literally got told that one person was aligned with the town. Doesn’t mafia all already know each other so everyone else would be known to them as the town? Am I missing something here?

[KayJayQueue]

I think we just need to decide on either Kay or Hu today. Then launch the other.

VOTE: Kay

well let's wait for psyche he might have another shot and we can plan around this. plus titus said they would roleblock kay that's why no night kill I assume. how does hu ignore all that. plus they are hard defending kay for an epic i told you so tomorrow. we should just wait a little.

I've literally said since yesterday that Ari and Gera were the 2 scum.

How do you 1. reconcile the fact that titus roleblocked kay
and 2. that their was no nk when there are 3 clears.

Are we certain Titus blocked Kay?

There’s no reason to doubt her when she firmly stated she would and then was shown to be telling the truth about her role.

[KayJayQueue]

I just didn’t want to give all the info away before everyone else claimed because if there was a chance you and PC actually double claimed, I would’ve been able to my shining moment of this game

I don't ever see scum posting this

I think the current explanation for anything and everything I have done or might do is simply: she’s new!

Simple yet effective lol

[KayJayQueue]

I'm really surprised it's not obv at this point that Ari is town

Okay then. This game is lost.

If psyche has another shot, we win no matter what.

[KayJayQueue]

I feel like there are reasons to think it’s either. Is Ari pushing me so hard because she’s town and just really believes it’s me, or is she scum and will do the same thing the next day to Hu?

Alternatively, is Hu town reading me so hard because she’s town and really believes me, or is she scum trying to make sure I stay on her side?

I’m leaning Ari because between these two scenarios, Ari has stated it had to be either me or Hu over and over whereas Hu is being very firm that it’s Ari, which would leave her open to being voted out tomorrow if she already knew Ari would flip town. Why not keep some sus on me when she knows I need to be voted out too? It doesn’t make as much sense to me because what will me being in her side do for her when I’m just one vote?

That’s where I’m at currently.

[KayJayQueue]

Kay where did you go?

I was up all night last night because my sleep schedule is off since coming home from work and I had to take a family member to the airport 4 hours ago. I just needed to get a couple hours sleep in. I wake up to like 4 more pages lol I’m here now and I got my sleep.

[KayJayQueue]

Kay where did you go?

I was up all night last night because my sleep schedule is off since coming home from work and I had to take a family member to the airport 4 hours ago. I just needed to get a couple hours sleep in. I wake up to like 4 more pages lol I’m here now and I got my sleep.

gotcha anything else?

What do you mean?

[KayJayQueue]

i sort of expected an ari self-vote in the last page, though with less back-and-forth.
but in the end it's kind of consistent with the "this sucks! this sucks!" --> "i wash my hands" patterns of other days.
each of these have been quite believable imo. but next to kay, im forced to doubt my own eyes.

i never self voted on any other day pls dont lie

VOTE: Ari

[KayJayQueue]

again another distraction. we gotta focusss or just move on to next day

why is kay town? since apparently they're here but don't want to answer my question.

I’m working on it, I was finding a couple posts.

[KayJayQueue]

We made one miselim and a VT got killed. Really not a terrible situation

Not a good situation either, particularly when 2 more (1 mislim + 1 nk) will get added soon. The only world where its beneficial to you is when youre scum.

If this is you claiming you’d be a mislim, do you have anyone you’d rather see pushed with more evidence than just Hu jumping on a wagon and then self-voting? (you’d have to vote half the players if that’s your stance) Is there literally anything that’s happened after post 183 that you can offer to support this Hu vote or give a different option? If not, I’m voting you.

NAS - what is your opinion on Aristeia?

So here I ask about other reads NAS has and why his read on Hu is so rock solid when other players also did what he claimed informed his scum read on Hu. The second post was not too long after and I asked for his opinion Ari, (I didn’t explain why because she was the other alive player that self-voted and wanted to see if he also felt that way about her) but I never got a response. Why wouldn’t he also be scum-reading Ari, or at least have an opinion on her?

This has been in the back of my mind since it happened but I didn’t know if it was strong enough reasoning or not. At this point if the question is between me or Ari, I guess I’m going to bring up these smaller instances.

[KayJayQueue]

It’s also weird that Ari seems to always be contributing any and all scum actions that don’t make sense if I were scum to “well she’s new, she doesn’t know how to play” and therefore gives her a reason to push me as scum when I honestly don’t see another solid explanation from her. It would also mean she’d have to believe it was me 100% because according to this theory, it can’t be Hu because if it was, scum wouldn’t make the same decisions. Yet she leaves open the possibility that it might not be me. So if it’s not me, in her opinion, what explains all these “new player made these decisions” reads if scum is the experienced player, Hu?

It’s hard for me to argue against someone’s reasoning that since I’m new, I don’t know how to play correctly, because I have made a few mistakes, such as the hammer thing.

[KayJayQueue]

from my point of view it can only be you or hu

i think it is more likely to be you.

i don't think its impossible to be hu

I know, we are all in the same boat since the only possibility is that it’s one of the three of us. So we will all have to eventually point the finger at the other two. Because no matter which of us is voted today, if the vote is wrong, the next day the remaining two inevitably will be pointing fingers at each other. I have no way of knowing which one of you it is for sure, but your reasoning only really makes sense if it’s me and I know it’s not me. Thats why it’s hard for me to believe you’re town right now.

[KayJayQueue]

doesn't kjq seem a bit too informed or is that just me? like they were townreading dave when almost no one else was.

I gave a detailed response about my opinion on Dave in 1143. Maybe no one else was townreading him at the time but I didn’t just pull that opinion out of my ass and not back it up.

[KayJayQueue]

I am currently searching for a bluish green shirt

just type in this color for the rest of the day

[KayJayQueue]

here swing seems a bigger questionmark than power but i wonder how you're parsing this dynamic

I just don't believe Kay's role as claimed makes any sense because whether Kay's target is dead or alive is completely random as she has claimed and that seems like a very weird swing that is ???

I am extremely good at confbiasing myself on details like this and not being openminded about what could or can't be possible so I know I can be totally wrong about this.

I did everything I could without quoting the private message with Datisi that you requested. I asked exactly what you told me to and I gave you the answers I received. I don’t know how you think I would be able to fake those answers if you don’t even think I understand how the game works. I gave you all the information I received from my role and from my messages with the mod. You’re just choosing to not believe me, which is fine, but then why ask me to ask the mod if you don’t care about the answers?

[KayJayQueue]

doesn't kjq seem a bit too informed or is that just me? like they were townreading dave when almost no one else was.

I gave a detailed response about my opinion on Dave in 1143. Maybe no one else was townreading him at the time but I didn’t just pull that opinion out of my ass and not back it up.

no you didn't i asked you to explain why those posts were town and you outright refused claiming the mafia were going to get you.

Yeah yeah I get you felt a way about that but I’m not sorry for holding onto that info and not letting scum understand my thought process. I’m sorry you didn’t agree with how I played it but I felt I gave more than enough information at the time. And it feels like damned if you do, damned if you don’t when it comes to having townreads. You end up being right? Oh well you already knew. You’re wrong? Oh you were just covering for your team. You can twist almost any outcome in the game to someone being scum or town if you try hard enough.

[KayJayQueue]

doesn't kjq seem a bit too informed or is that just me? like they were townreading dave when almost no one else was.

I gave a detailed response about my opinion on Dave in 1143. Maybe no one else was townreading him at the time but I didn’t just pull that opinion out of my ass and not back it up.

no you didn't i asked you to explain why those posts were town and you outright refused claiming the mafia were going to get you.

Yeah yeah I get you felt a way about that but I’m not sorry for holding onto that info and not letting scum understand my thought process. I’m sorry you didn’t agree with how I played it but I felt I gave more than enough information at the time. And it feels like damned if you do, damned if you don’t when it comes to having townreads. You end up being right? Oh well you already knew. You’re wrong? Oh you were just covering for your team. You can twist almost any outcome in the game to someone being scum or town if you try hard enough.

you can't actually you're free to answer right now why those posts were town since it's between you and aristeia.

So Dave had scum opinions about Hu and klick, which I didn’t think made sense. Dave then changed his opinion on klick which I agreed with, and it also felt town to change his mind once more time passed even when others were still scum-reading klick. (I’m pretty sure that included you) I also didn’t agree when he disagreed with psyche and said the recent posts made it seem more likely that you were scum, PC. And this was when I was at the time voting psyche because I was getting a weird vibe that I eventually got over but the opinion on you was not what was tripping me up so I disagreed with Dave’s view there.

[KayJayQueue]

Hu is definitely possible, but Ari has given me more reason to think it’s her right now. I think asking any of us about the other two other than “who do you think it is most” is a waste of time. Because there’s no way we are all town so if it’s not Ari, it’s absolutely hu. And I expect them to have the exact same opinions, just in Ari’s case she thinks it’s me most, and Hu thinks it’s Ari most. In the case any of us are wrong on our first choice on who is scum, it’s obvious what our next move would be - 100% believing the 3rd person is scum. And for two of us, we are right.

[KayJayQueue]

im not asking for a 100% townread. but how about 80%? hutao has one of those

All I can do is say I’m more sure about Ari being scum. I’ve town read Hu nearly the entire game, but I can’t just say I’m sure Hu is town at this point. It’s one or the other. I’ll be legitimately shocked if it is Hu but how am I supposed to say anything other than if it’s not Ari (who I do believe it is currently) it literally has to be Hu.

[KayJayQueue]

btw i thinkk you're still mistaken about how the informed role works -- or maybe i am.
my understanding is that kay's role was probably always going to clear a living town player -- at least living at the start of the night.
if kay is town.

Someone that’s not me should ask the mod the same 3 questions that I was told to ask so it can be confirmed that I didn’t lie about that info. I’m assuming anyone can ask how any role works, they don’t have to be that specific role to get an answer right?

[KayJayQueue]

okay kay sry it's time

Just please make the right choice tomorrow, I’m sorry I wasn’t more of a help. But at this point I feel like you have all my information and all of my opinions.

[KayJayQueue]

I just don’t see the point when all 3 of us are fighting the same thing, plus I don’t have the experience to say what things are or aren’t normal and I don’t think I should act like I know when
I don’t. Ari is right to say I don’t know as much as everyone else because I’m new, she’s just wrong when she said I was making “new player” decisions as scum. I want to be helpful, I’ve been answering questions directed toward me but beyond that, I don’t know what to do.

[KayJayQueue]

I just don’t see the point when all 3 of us are fighting the same thing, plus I don’t have the experience to say what things are or aren’t normal and I don’t think I should act like I know when
I don’t. Ari is right to say I don’t know as much as everyone else because I’m new, she’s just wrong when she said I was making “new player” decisions as scum. I want to be helpful, I’ve been answering questions directed toward me but beyond that, I don’t know what to do.

in your shoes i'd be doing the same stuff im doing as confirmed town. being one of the uncomfirmed doesnt mean you can't search isos for information that might push the town's reads one way or another

I guess you’re right, I can try to do more of that. I really need to get my laptop charged then because doing this on my phone is so tedious.

[KayJayQueue]

haha
it feels like we are going in circles and then there's a shift
now ari is townreading kay and clout is locked hutaown
who knows where we'll be if we go another 24 hours

In 24 hours, I’ll think it’s Hu

[KayJayQueue]

Let's just vote Ari and if there is a tomorrow we vote Kay. I don't trust RN or maybe PC to vote Ari tomorrow

Hu, I stg if you’re playing me I’ll never trust myself again lol

[KayJayQueue]

if your setup reasoning is still sound, which you were bet-the-game-sure of a moment ago, then we can lim kay because we are bet-the-game-sure she's the remaining scum. it's forced by poe. and our personal sense of honor.

plus it all goes out the window if wotc applies to kay.

What is wotc?

[KayJayQueue]

Let's just vote Ari and if there is a tomorrow we vote Kay. I don't trust RN or maybe PC to vote Ari tomorrow

Hu, I stg if you’re playing me I’ll never trust myself again lol

Well you've been locking me as town till today. Why?

I can’t fathom a day 1 from you where you aren’t town. But what I can fathom and what is possible might not be the same lol I really, really don’t understand why as scum, you’d also basically be very much on my side here. So I really want to believe we are right and the solve is Ari. All I’m saying is that if that’s the vote and the game doesn’t end, my head will truly explode.

[KayJayQueue]

if your setup reasoning is still sound, which you were bet-the-game-sure of a moment ago, then we can lim kay because we are bet-the-game-sure she's the remaining scum. it's forced by poe. and our personal sense of honor.

plus it all goes out the window if wotc applies to kay.

What is wotc?

wisdom of the crowds.

Okay that was less than helpful lol what exactly does that mean?

[KayJayQueue]

Let's just vote Ari and if there is a tomorrow we vote Kay. I don't trust RN or maybe PC to vote Ari tomorrow

Hu, I stg if you’re playing me I’ll never trust myself again lol

Well you've been locking me as town till today. Why?

I can’t fathom a day 1 from you where you aren’t town. But what I can fathom and what is possible might not be the same lol I really, really don’t understand why as scum, you’d also basically be very much on my side here. So I really want to believe we are right and the solve is Ari. All I’m saying is that if that’s the vote and the game doesn’t end, my head will truly explode.

Then why not vote ari?

I guess I can do that. If the consensus is me in the end, my vote won’t matter. If the consensus is you, my vote won’t matter. If the consensus is Ari, heyyy I helped!

VOTE: Ari

[KayJayQueue]

ive put on this ate "i dont know what's going on and im bad at this game and scared" act before. it's very easy because you are already feeling anxious and unsure as scum who has a strong chance of losing right now. we must stay strong

I don’t think I’m that bad, I just think I have less experience to form certain opinions from such as how a game is usually set up, what people “usually” do, etc. I actually think I’ve done pretty well for my first game but I don’t deny if I had more experience I could be more helpful.

[KayJayQueue]

urgh urgh urgh i wanna win today. it should be kay so that game ends

Well if you vote me we won’t win today, but we can still win tomorrow.

[KayJayQueue]

I figured it out. There were only 2 scum and this is a social experiment to see how long it takes for us all to go insane.

[KayJayQueue]

I figured it out. There were only 2 scum and this is a social experiment to see how long it takes for us all to go insane.

wait till i tell you guys i actually do have another shot tonight but just love dayplay too much to leave the game to autosolve

So we literally already won! lmao I can’t

[KayJayQueue]

aw cmon ari just acknowledged an inconvenient possibility which would imply she's scum that has to be town

Probably because she’s said the opposite multiple times and given her reasoning and it didn’t stick so she had to agree that it didn’t make sense instead of continue fighting it, and look it worked!

[KayJayQueue]

i think this discussion is town vs town and im tired of pretending it might not be

Well that can’t be true.

[KayJayQueue]

Well if Kay isn't scum gg

I’m sorry we couldn’t get the vote. We definitely tried!

[KayJayQueue]

Tbh Kay. I feel like I defended you more than I defended myself

Honestly you did and that’s why I’m happy to die in your pocket

[KayJayQueue]

"But I'm not scum psyche. I'm actually the most town. I don't know what I can tell you to convince you to change your mind but it's the truth." AGH

Yeah, exactly. All this lol

[KayJayQueue]

Tbh Kay. I feel like I defended you more than I defended myself

Honestly you did and that’s why I’m happy to die in your pocket

Stop making posts like this they are too towny

if you're mafia I hope you feel guilty about putting her in your pocket like this!

But it’s so comfyyy lol

[KayJayQueue]

RN has been right all game, why not listen to him!

Oh wait…now that I think about it…that’s not true at all. He’s been clear the whole game, that’s what it was lol

[KayJayQueue]

this is no laughing matter. this is serious. this is mafia

I thought this was an astrology convention

What color is your shirt?!

[KayJayQueue]

i think we have to retrace our steps. are we absolutely sure it can't be rn

[KayJayQueue]

this is no laughing matter. this is serious. this is mafia

I thought this was an astrology convention

What color is your shirt?!

I'm wearing blue!

It’s supposed to be bluish green, you’ve doomed us all!!

[KayJayQueue]

It’s supposed to be bluish green, you’ve doomed us all!!

I'm terrible with colors

what's your zodiac sign?

I’m a lion. Rawr.

[KayJayQueue]

ok no im sorry i cant take astrology stop the record

VOTE: kayjayqueue

That’s fair lol

[KayJayQueue]

RIP

[KayJayQueue]

I’m a lion. Rawr.

it says your lucky color is red maybe you really are mafia after all

Wow, astrology won the game!

[KayJayQueue]

Can I ask why you cleared PC day 3? Did you know I had an innocent on PC?

I had no clue. Gera fucked up my plan and I had to pivot. I’m just going to say this now, I am going to be eternally annoyed about how gera and NAS played. They made this game impossible and they didn’t communicate at all. I was alone pretty much the entire game and it was horrible lol

[KayJayQueue]

Everyone was saying oh the scum team is coaching, feeding info - I fucking wish

[KayJayQueue]

Everyone was saying oh the scum team is coaching, feeding info - I fucking wish

how annoyed were you with all the questions I asked?

I wasn’t annoyed. I literally just told myself I was town. I was in denial that my first game ever was as mafia so I refused to believe it until I couldn’t ignore it anymore lol

[KayJayQueue]

Ari was pretty spot on with her analysis at the end. And I blame gera lol

[KayJayQueue]

Just wait until you see the PT which is basically just me talking to myself for 2 weeks. I’m surprised Datisi didn’t have me committed for psychosis.

[KayJayQueue]

still can't believe he's scum tbh.

To be fair, was he really?

[KayJayQueue]

Btw I want apologize to Ari about the emotional insinuations, I know I was scum but I wasn’t trying to be insulting at all and I’m sorry for how I worded that post.

[KayJayQueue]

Btw I want apologize to Ari about the emotional insinuations, I know I was scum but I wasn’t trying to be insulting at all and I’m sorry for how I worded that post.

oh its ok I didn't feel insulted at all

i'll always remember the fun we had with the astrology

My downfall was the zodiac. What a way to end lol

[KayJayQueue]

You were all so much fun, I really enjoyed everyone on the other team so much!

[KayJayQueue]

It still feels, to me at least, that there was a bit too much Town power.

Fair or no?

Especially with the scum team chosen from the remedial box

[KayJayQueue]

It still feels, to me at least, that there was a bit too much Town power.

Fair or no?

Especially with the scum team chosen from the remedial box

Remedial box?

remedial

(

adjective

): concerned with the correction of faulty study habits and the raising of a pupil's general competence

It means we didn’t know what we were doing lol

[KayJayQueue]

That would’ve been nice but alas

[KayJayQueue]

Like I said, Ari was spot on. Informed about bulletproof IC. I knew we couldn’t kill him without NAS and still hammered him lol I wish the scum roles were switched around

[KayJayQueue]

Like I said, Ari was spot on. Informed about bulletproof IC. I knew we couldn’t kill him without NAS and still hammered him lol I wish the scum roles were switched around

Wait. He was the only one that could kill me?

Wow. How did that get passed? All 3 of you should've been able to Night 3.

As far as we understood it, but maybe I’m an idiot lol

[KayJayQueue]

if he's the only bulletproof immune player then he would be the only one able to kill RN

I also think the setup was kind of townsided so thats why I couldnt believe people thought you could both be PRs.

Okay good so we got that right at least.

[KayJayQueue]

Well the problem with you claiming is that you didn’t discuss it beforehand. You just made decisions and then went to the mafia thread afterwards. And yes, I did veto your idea that would’ve put us even further at a numbers disadvantage and then instead of discussing anything further, you disappeared.

[KayJayQueue]

Thanks everyone, it was a fun game everything considered! I’m going to keep playing, don’t worry

Datisi you did a great job and thank you for being patient with me and answering all of my stupid newbie questions along the way lol

[KayJayQueue]

Btw I don’t need any redactions in the scum PT (and just a guess, I doubt NAS needs anything in his entire 5 posts redacted but I digress)

[KayJayQueue]

Sorry for the repp out, and thanks to Titus for taking my slot

Sooooo why’d you leave us? You said you’d explain post game, I’m so curious!

[KayJayQueue]

ill be honest drew. i felt betrayed

I lost sleep thinking about how this would affect you, all I can do is apologize to my main homie

Sorry for the repp out, and thanks to Titus for taking my slot

Sooooo why’d you leave us? You said you’d explain post game, I’m so curious!

Basically my reads from another game(which also has ended) were confused with my reads from this game, so basically my reads were compromised so I felt it best to just repp out of both games and never mention anything about why.

Ironically enough I realized it when I mentioned your name in the other game lol

I’ll admit, I did see that when stalking you and I thought it was funny.

[KayJayQueue]

anyways ad break y'all should absolutely /in for my mini in signups

Way ahead of you!

[KayJayQueue]

Good game everyone!