Open 905: Pick Your Power X/Y S/S [game over!]

[Dannflor]

i'll be around in a couple hours

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k sorry it'll be like a few more hours, playing mafia will be my reward for studying

pedit im righthanded if we're doing a census

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VOTE: pavowski

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VOTE: pavowski

Excellent choice sir. Any particular reason for pavowski?

i think his posting is pretty scummy

i also don't think duck is particularly scummy

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i think the fixation on duck's inconsistency about voting him vs voting with him is the type of focus to come from scum more often than not, like it doesn't actually say anything about duck's alignment it's just poking holes at inconsistencies because that's easy to do. the follow up in 840 just seems to draw out the bit way too far, like town does mildly inconsistent shit like that all the time and i find it hard to believe pavowski has never encountered that before and feels it's worth pressuring like this

i also think 251 is scummy

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i also don't think duck is particularly scummy

don't make me start spamming long page walls on why ur wrong

i would honestly love to see it

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duck seems like surface level scummy you know

but i think that's just his natural tone sorry duck

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Upon review, the fact he's voting me the way he's doing it is probably +town for the duck.

That being said, I kinda like the wagon on him

Pedit: 905 is quite a take

can you elaborate on duck

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oh my gosh!!

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may are you scum

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raises eyebrow

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i do have a tendency to white knight

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Real Talk: scumreading Brian from what May said

what?

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i think you know that's not a very realistic scum team

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ill put NotAScum in my boring solve

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Real Talk: scumreading Brian from what May said

actually jake can you explain this

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I don't think firebringer is scum

or gob really

[Dannflor]

Real Talk: scumreading Brian from what May said

actually jake can you explain this

Reason Tabulates it as such.

okay sorry can you maybe point at what the thing is may said and then explain how it relates to your read on brian

explain like i can't read your mind please

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gonna do my white knight thing and call this a really dumb town v town fight

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ok sorry firebringer is scum

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disclaimer im not like great at reading gob historically

but i think he tends to have more of a purpose with his actions as scum and here it just seems like he's fucking around / fucking with you because he's annoyed or thinks it is fun or whatever

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JAKE WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME

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okay maybe it's neutral, I don't really want to be sheeped on a gob read

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i guess i think it's mildly towny for jake to not want to interact with me

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Really, To understand my position would require not merely moon logic, but mars logic. i was wondering if anyone else saw it too

I figured!! I want to know your mars logic!

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idk my hero solve would be like pavowski / may / notascum if i had three bullets and was forced to make decisions on nothing but gut instinct right now but i don't particularly think that's likely to be super accurate

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fallen ill

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lol

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dave i kinda expected a vote on pavowski to follow 863

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dave what’s the point of being like “yeah look at how sus pavowski is” if you never intend to vote there or support a wagon there today

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meh Dave can be town

what made you say this

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i asked because without the context of dave's approach to the role list, it very much looks like support for the recently growing pavowski wagon

idk it's a little strange to me to dump a comment like that but also not really show concern over the fact that the wagon is growing around those suspicions at the same time if you truly believe such a wagon is anti-town

[Dannflor]

helps some

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yeah that got a little word salady

basically, i thought if dave actually cared about not wagoning the top half of the draft he would either

1. not make that comment in the first place
2. subsidize the comment with concern about the wagon or tell people to save it for post-d1

i guess making that comment without realizing where pavowski was on the list makes more sense

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Oh god. Dann being scum would make me very unhappy.

you don't have to worry

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It... can someone interact with its thoughts please? It feels like the conversation is moving past it and it's trying with what little energy it has.

maybe

I guess I still would've expected a comment from Dave if he checked the list, and saw Pav was on the top half of the list and that people were starting to vote for him

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whoops I meant to quote its other post

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like at some point after 863 Dave checks the list to see where Pavowski is, probably because he's thinking about moving his vote there?

but then he doesn't say anything further about pavowski until I specifically ask why he isn't voting there

i don't know maybe I'm picking at nothing and am overestimating how much dave actually cares about not wagoning potential PRs

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i don't think anyone is sussing you for the strategy dave, but an inconsistent attitude towards the strategy

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i have never scum read may before it's kind of exciting

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ultimately i still feel best about pavowski right now

i feel like 892 is a weird response because it like, seems to place the blame on being scum read on having a tiny post count or not having enough real time interactions? when i don't think those were things anyone really specifically had issue with

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okay um actually can we not kill the worst?

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I think Jake is town

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that is very refreshing

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yeah i think jake is in their own little world and they are only engaging with people on their own terms that they think will be helpful to them solving so i think that's pretty town

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where does the idea that firebringer is an easy late game read come from

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where does the idea that firebringer is an easy late game read come from

Where did

this

come from?

O-Ring, Firebringer is a really easy late game read you should needle someone else more

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I am mostly just curious i kind of doubt it's going to reveal anything alignment indicative

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how about the 4th in the draft order

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im not scared of a penguin with a gun

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maybe it's laziness but i am increasingly feeling like the active talkers recently might just be a block of town

gob is appropriately on the edge

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uhhhh i think davesaz makes more sense as scum in a scum!Pav world and davesaz is soft pushing there but using his policy to avoid actually voting there

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uhhhh i think davesaz makes more sense as scum in a scum!Pav world and davesaz is soft pushing there but using his policy to avoid actually voting there

Sure i can run with that. But this is still just speculating on what the draft results are at the end of it, right? We don't know we living in this world.

Unless u got a convincing scum case on Pav. Also I think theres worlds where scum!Pav and Town!Dav so would prefer Pav but I think oblivion was on point that Pav is just an easier elim for scum to make so it has given me some personal hesistancy to even read heavily into Pav.

this wasn't a comment on how likely i think scum!davesaz is, just a comment on oblivion's scum read of davesaz

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VOTE: davesaz
VOTE: pavowski

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felt rebellious

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hm im not really town reading brian skies

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yeah i got threatened

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maybe the real draft was the friends we made along the way

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I could probably kill brian skies but maybe that’s because he’s the only name i remember being in the low posters

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I like the worst thinking about firebringer as a main character

To scum the scum are always the main characters

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that’s not really a good reason to town read the worst i just think it’s clever

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I think if I was scum and wanted to try out scum reading you I’d make it a big grandiose thing probably

I’m kind of getting cold feet about the whole thing already

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pocket dannflor and wish you were scum

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wow i can just let the worst say everything i want to say

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okay that was a light hearted post commenting on my alignment with the worst in many reads

i will actually play the game soon

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I’ll make some attempt at a reads list tonight and try not to make it look too much like I just copied the worst’s homework and changed it a little bit

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VOTE: brian skies

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took you long enough to put that together penguin

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yessiree is too high on the draft can't vote there

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the worst is there any part of you that's paranoid that im pocketing you

i know you said the paranoia hasn't set in yet but like

the paranoia not setting in yet is making me mildly paranoid

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i think it was may that said his reads list is like overly forced and I largely agree

I'm not sure I actually believe the pav/yessiree connection is something town actually sees rather than scum forcing themselves to make content

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784 also feels self-righteously LAMISTy and I don't really read it as a townie self-righteousness

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I am sympathetic to that reading and there's a world where I read the "confident conspiracy theory" energy as town

i think one of the reasons I'm not really reading it that way is brian weakening his own "bullishness" in posts 556 and 560

like it's not clear to me this actually impacted brian's reads at all, so i have to assume brian still feels pretty strongly about the yessiree/pav connection, but then, im not sure what the point of these posts are other than looking busy

particularly 560

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Dunno why really but I'm catching town vibes off this complaint from Oblivion

this post still bugs me a lot btw

i feel like Oblivion was super towny by this point in the thread so the hedginess or uh cautious tone behind this post feels not genuine? like an attempt to seem casual and like he's in the middle of a thought process, but my reaction (and May's) at that point was more along the lines of "wow Oblivion is Super Town"


the "dunno why really" especially doesn't seem that genuine when Pavowski explains the why behind the read later on the same page in 264 and 272

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I think Oblivion complaining about the mason block is a lot more likely to come from town, i think scum tend to feel awkward about sticking out like that. especially because Oblivion's qualm wasn't that there was scum in the mason block necessarily, just that it was alienating

it continues to try to engage specific slots on specific topics (like firebringer for example) and i think that is indicative of it being interested in actually solving rather than just appearing like it is doing something

i think it spends a lot of time being an active listener and really trying to make sure it is understanding other people's arguments correctly, and i think that type of persistent attention in much more likely to come from town wanting to figure things out than scum who are usually more content with just Producing Content

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nope

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half those takes were stolen from May posts i read tbh

[Dannflor]

[oblivion, jake]
[the worst, firebringer, May]
[PP, june, davesaz]
[gob]
[yessireee, notascum]
[brian skies, pavowski]

[overconfident town reads]
[town reads that i am more likely to paranoia/reevaluate]
[small town leans]
[null]
[scum leans]
[overconfident scum reads]

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Dannflor as scum would you like rep into a game where I am kind of vegging and then call me scum and then use a dustpan to collect all of the only pieces of stances I've made all game and then refurbish them and push them but then later you still should want to mislim me (??)

Can I join the scum pt to help you find better strats idk about this

I am genuinely frustrated that i am town reading you again

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did i change the worst's homework enough to get a passing grade

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yeah me too

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you just slowly started sliding up the list as i reread the game and kept aligning with your takes and i was powerless to stop it

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I just like don't do anything to express alignment to Dannflor at all and just exist for 3 day phases it's like 99% likely he will read me

one day i will death tunnel you but today is not that day

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I think I have to admit that my read of you repping in was probably closer to null than implied and there was a not-insignificant part of me that wanted to get the "catch May scum" steam achievement

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i don't recall if I've played with PP!scum outside of rolling scum with him

I don't really have an objective idea of what he's supposed to look like

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yeah i can eliminate gob

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so am i scummy for grouping you with your scum reads brian

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what do you make of no one trying to help you, NaS

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oblivion is one of the slots i'm most confident in being town

and i have read all 66 pages of this game so i think my read is more likely to be accurate than yours

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in fairness, dannflor wasn't around then and dannflor is a very generous and kind individual that might be willing to give out a summary if u asked him nicely

I've turned over a new leaf

im mean and grouchy now

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If you believe I seriously put both my buddies at the bottom of my initial reads list, then you're either bad or scum.

it's unlikely the team is exactly pavowski/yessirree/brian

but i haven't exactly posited that

i think it's very believable that you could put one of your buddies at the bottom of your initial reads list and then back pedal on it later

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It knows you have described why you think it is town in a few posts, but can you explain the confidence level, perhaps by delving into the posts it has made to give you that impression?

I'll do this when i have time later if you want but I'm mostly going to be going to find stuff post-hoc to justify a gut read I had on your slot

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Truth be told, I would be backpedaling now. Is that what you believe I'm doing?

i dunno, maybe!

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like i am not surprised the associatives between my bottom 3 scum reads might make it unlikely for them to all be teamed together

the reasons i have those scum reads are not because of associatives

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like brian im not scum reading you because i think you are a likely partner to my other scum reads

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I’ll check in tonight sorry this week is stressy

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does NaS really feel like the slot with the highest percent chance of flipping scum

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does NaS really feel like the slot with the highest percent chance of flipping scum

u tell me

it was a rhetorical/leading question

i don't really think so but im interested in why people might think so

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what is the difference between town!gob and scum!gob to you

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does NaS really feel like the slot with the highest percent chance of flipping scum

yes

this game def has the feeling that scum are lurking and not leading in it

that might be true but im not sure why that makes NaS a better shot at scum over like brian or yessirree or pavowski who are all lurky or low-impact but have also posted discernibly more alignment indicative content

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do u think im a master of reading gob?
I have read him wrong when he was town before.

and last scum game that i keep referencing, i was waffling the whole time he was in the game.

no but you seem kinda confident this game so i was curious if you saw some big difference

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yeah okay

I'm not like against the wagon on NotaScum

it just doesn't inspire feelings in me because like I would be pretty equally nonplussed whatever alignment he flipped, whereas i actually have some substantial scum feelings about brian, for instance

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no but you seem kinda confident this game so i was curious if you saw some big difference

Ohhh I am hella not confident in it. While I keep saying this is a mimic of his scum games ive seen, I continually emphasize that I think all the things i mention are probably similarish enough to his town game that it gives me heavy doubt if i even have a good case.

okay i see that makes sense

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probably just telling of the worst/ydrasse not being S/S

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yeah i would want to kill pavowski if it was allowed

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VOTE: pavowski

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depends on what you're looking for

i don't really know how you think i play tbh

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sure but that's not currently my worldview

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idk i might be biased towards town reading you because you felt so one dimensional in that marathon game and you feel more 3 dimensional here

i probably should not read you off a marathon game

i intellectually know that you are capable of more than that

But emotionally my mind is still on that marathon game

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VOTE: brian skies

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VOTE: pavowski

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dannold

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Gob why am I highly likely toqn

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ya anyway so the speed of the gob wagon makes me think he's probably not scum here

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when i rolled scum in this setup we coordinated so one person would pick a low number, one person a middling number, and one person a higher number

i think we thought this would increase the odds of at least one of us getting a spot high enough in the draft to get a role

we briefly talked about picking the same number but decided it wasn't worth the WIFOM

has there ever been a roll of this setup where scum have intentionally chosen the same numbers?

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dannold wants to kill pavowski

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I took a bit of a break this weekend but I'll hopefully check in for real later tonight and I'll be around tomorrow

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i am guessing penguin had a clear on brian skies

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maybe i shouldn’t have said that idk

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there’s like always the chance someone didn’t know and would like dumbtell push Brian

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i would like to be correct on something this game

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but i guess i'd bus gob in these circumstances too...

cheeky

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idk i still think it can be pavowski but i don't mind making the worst claim first

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I’m not super mechanically inclined and i pushed for multitasking when i rolled scum in this setup previously

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oh but i replaced into this game whatever it doesn’t matter

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VOTE: pavowski

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Dannflor is that a townslip

yeah

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idk firebringer seems kinda clear to me

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FB doesn't seem to be sorting right now.. This is fake

u just said not everything is about sorting. Try not to contradict urself for a page

I'm making fun of you for doing exactly what you called me out for doing, is the thing .

No ur not lol. U contradicted urself that wasn't u making fun of me.

You're so dumb and annoying.

idk i guess this could be scum team mates getting ignored at each other

it just was not my recollection of it

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getting annoyed*

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the interaction is a little more blatant and obvious than i tend to see from scum i guess

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number 2 is true

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number 3 is true?

you wouldn't play on mafiauniverse would you

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i'll just sheep today

my PoE is basically [pavowski, the worst] anyway

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i think from a psychological number picking perspective pavowski is more likely to be scum tho

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did we wanna claim

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idk firebringer said we should do it and i believed him

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i keep waiting for pavowski to react to me tunneling him and he just hasn't

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oh we could be

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rb and / or jk can pre-confirm their targets

if there is a kill then that is 1-2 innos if there isn't a kill we just kill in the unconfirmed until we win

im too lazy to do the math but it feels like auto if town got one of those roles and even if scum got one of those roles

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mafia aren't multi-tasking though

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if we have a couple clears then no kill auto wins

brian is one at least

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yeah i think if there is a roleblocker or jailkeeper out there with a clear last night then we probably just win

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the 2nd one had too much detail to be a lie of course it was a lie

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n1 tracker does not compel me to unvote

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playing with me must make your EV go up a couple percentage points just because i can never eliminate you

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so whoever the neighborizer is is clear

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let's play nightless vanilla instead this is boring

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i didn't do anything either

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I think Dunn is town

me too

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VOTE: yessiree

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let's get 5 more clears first

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i think we should let the worst win

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it's okay we'll let you win

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i guess i said i dont particularly think the worst is scum when i repped in that's kind of like doing something

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i soft defended NAS

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does NaS really feel like the slot with the highest percent chance of flipping scum

textbook soft scum buddy defense

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no i've got scummy white knight energy

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i wonder how long it would take me to get limmed if i just started copy and pasting my own posts from my very first few games on site

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/confirm

Random voting much?

yeah that's a pretty scummy first post

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Our kitten tried to play-kill our dog. Problem was the dog is a chihuahua and was about 2 pounds at the time, and the almost-grown kitten might have pulled it off if we hadn't been right there.

that's scary sorry to hear about that

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Im vt

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oof my reads were bad

well played oblivion

unfortunate circumstances

gg

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i think multitasking is better tbh