Open 906: AAAAAAHHHH I Ran out of Game Names!!! [Game Over]

[Black]

VOTE: halfasleep

Scum are more likely to be half asleep in the middle of the night when they murder us in cold blood

[Black]

Unfortunately there's no SK either

[Black]

VOTE: black

I don't like people who named after colors

Also hi!!

Counter offer: we form a color alliance instead

[Black]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

my horrorscope told me to watch out for virgos.

(also hi i'm new)

Welcome! I think it's pretty cool that you rolled scum in your first game

[Black]

i just woke up

i just woke up

same

same

guess we are all town

[Black]

VOTE: black

I don't like people who named after colors

Also hi!!

Counter offer: we form a color alliance instead

If I gaslight you enough that Virgo is actually a colour can I join

Real colors only sorry

[Black]

VOTE: black

I don't like people who named after colors

Also hi!!

Counter offer: we form a color alliance instead

umm, I agree to the offer
We will be invincible!!
And purple and black can go together in a good way, it's not neon yellow or something

Purple and black are my two favorite colors <3

Who else wants in my pocket there is plenty of room

[Black]

It functions like one but technically it's the absence of all colors which pretty accurately describes my soul

[Black]

I don't blame halfasleep for trying to break up the alliance already. Scum don't want townies to find each other

[Black]

fire is red

I debated for a good 15 seconds if I should let you in. I think if your name was redisfiresir and people called you red then I would say yes

[Black]

halfasleep I love your avatar so much. I have two cats Luna and Artemis and they are named after Sailor Moon

I just wanted to say that real quick. Carry on

[Black]

One time someone I had greenchecked convinced me that, in a non-bastard game, they were somehow the last Mafia we were looking for

Thank you for sharing this vital piece of information with us.

[Black]

The 3P color about to be red when my axe meets their neck

VOTE: Jack The Wolfie

People finally scumread me. I was scared there for a little bit.

Why were you scared

[Black]

VOTE: Jake The Wolfie

[Black]

VOTE: KayJayQueue

[Black]

I would never vote for someone because they were at work

[Black]

oops
anyway jupiter is scum

Why not vote for him then?

[Black]

To be fair that's not really weird around here. Townies do it all the time for a variety of reasons

[Black]

To be fair that's not really weird around here. Townies do it all the time for a variety of reasons

Oh well then it’s just because I’ve had a long weekend at work and I got agitated too easily. It felt like this game had stalled and there wasn’t much to say because most of it was Jupiter saying mostly nothing. So I voted him to see if maybe that would change. And it did, now we’re talking about the game.

Sorry, I was referring to you voting without giving a reason. We posted at the same time

Though tbf Jupiter does post nonsense as town a lot but that's not what I was talking about

[Black]

these reads seem fine to me

i think it's probably healthiest for the gamestate to pretend that halfasleep is town for now

I think I agree

[Black]

VOTE: halfasleep

I’ll explain more in depth later, I’m working. I know they’re not me but their actions are reminding me of my own tells as a wolf. Elaboration coming soon

Definitely curious about this

[Black]

I hope there’s a real reason for that vote and not just because I’m at work because that would make me kinda sad.

I would never vote for someone because they were at work

Well then in that case, go nuts

Well, not too nuts, I don’t wanna die!

I think Kay feels a little

too

casual about being pushed. Like the kind of casual that scum try to imitate when they don't want to seem bothered by a push

I kinda feel like Kay should be more curious about why I voted for her. She doesn't seem all that interested in sorting people that are pushing her

[Black]

Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.

you don't have to say 'bordering' they basically are gutreads. and i didn't call your reasoning weak i called it fake and i think you're pretending not to know that. and yes, that's a gutread too sue me.

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VOTE: halfasleep
You do not need to die on this hill lmao

Do you actually think she's scum or are you just insulted?

[Black]

i think ming feels towny

I wanted to say it feels like TvT but I was worried someone would call me scummy for it

And no folks this isn't scummy. I worry about how people read me when I'm town. Get over it

[Black]

VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

[Black]

VOTE: JakeTheWolfie

If that is an unsatisfactory response, you have the authority to execute me now.

Can we fade this

[Black]

UNVOTE:

[Black]

I'm down to fade Jake but not yet

[Black]

^ nah you're right. It's a lame move and if he's town then he's playing against his win condition

[Black]

She was willing to execute me, immediately. Why? As you said, we still had a week left in the game, so executing me would've wasted a lot of time and just be a bad idea in general

If I actually wanted to fade you in that moment then why would I be the first to unvote you?

[Black]

After reading the respective Day 1's from Black, her behaviour here is totally new and does not correlate with anything that she's done before, whether she be scum or town.

Therefore, I feel justified in saying that Black's actions are scummy of their own merit, and you'll need to pull some meta from her games yourself to convince me otherwise.

It's funny how you're trying to use meta to solve me, realized it wasn't working and decided to just call me scum anyway

[Black]

Meta meta meta meta


I’m so over meta.

Felt bestie

[Black]

These posts in particular feel scum-indicative and fake. She can disagree with this assessment, but it feels like her scum case against me is built out of straws, yet despite this she is willing to axe me

I don't have a scum case against you. I voted you because fire did and I wanted to see how you responded to the pressure

You responded like scum

[Black]

If meta ain't your thing, that's fine, you don't need to engage with it with me. We can both agree that the important stuff is only in this game and never look beyond it, that's cool.

Speaking of cool things, check out my cool post where I showed some suspicious posts, contained within this game, that originated from Black.

Those posts weren't suspicious. You're going to have to try harder than that

[Black]

Jake wagon is silly

Why?

[Black]

So you don't think the wagon is silly or...

[Black]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Who wants to ride the Jackson train? Now that Fire mentions it, this play reminds me of the last time I played with him.

You moved on from me super quick

[Black]

VOTE: Black

say more?

I think scum is hiding behind this Jake-sized red herring so I’m venturing out to find them.

Do you not have any questions for me? I don't know how just voting for me is going to help you find me if I'm scum

[Black]

VOTE: Jupiter

e-2

[Black]

Jackson feels town

[Black]

I feel kinda detached from this game and I'm not sure why

[Black]

sigh

Are you ok

[Black]

And you should probably unvote soon because you’re making me want to vote you. If you’re town, I’d suggest unvoting.

This feels like posturing

[Black]

So you’re happy to die to stop playing this game when there are ways to stop playing without tanking the game for your team? This is insanely stubborn and immature.

No matter your alignment, you’re hurting whoever your teammate(s) are by giving up.

Can you knock it off with the personal insults

[Black]

UNVOTE: black
I forgot i voted for her in like the first thing

Do you have any reads?

[Black]

UNVOTE:

Don't really want to fade Jupiter anymore

[Black]

It sucked
If you're so sick of me just hammer already I don't think my elimination is bringing this game down that much

If you’re town it very much brings the game down.

Do you think he's town?

[Black]

I think there's a real chance that Jackson/Kay/Jupiter are all town and scum either watched this episode from the sidelines or nudged it along subtly

[Black]

The way you’re acting doesn’t convince me it wasn’t meant to bring him down.

You’re literally being treated better than you’re treating others are you joking?

What is the point of egging Jupiter on like this? Dude is clearly in a vulnerable state and you don't seem to want to move past it

[Black]

Ah, now Jupiter. There's no need to show Uranus here. I believe you when you say you honestly didn't slip there.

HURT: JupiterXV

Spiritual voting

Jake can you explain your progression here

[Black]

I think we should all take a step back and move on from this debacle. It's bringing the game down. Let's play mafia

[Black]

^ 1000%

[Black]

Well that was meant for the post above that but I mostly agree with that post too

[Black]

sorrysorry i shouldnt have posted we already finished talking about this ill just leave now

<3 ily

[Black]

I think there's a real chance that Jackson/Kay/Jupiter are all town and scum either watched this episode from the sidelines or nudged it along subtly

What makes you turn your jup read around?

I'm a sucker for AtE sometimes

[Black]

I think there's a real chance that Jackson/Kay/Jupiter are all town and scum either watched this episode from the sidelines or nudged it along subtly

Which I don’t think fully removes you from the conversation of being scum.

I never said it did

[Black]

Kay, you seem to be suspicious of Black, what donyou think of her reaction to my self-voting?

One of the main reasons for my suspicion. But there have been other things she’s said that I don’t vibe with, and I feel like she’s been consistently trying to get sus on me from the very beginning of the game. Now, when this insanity breaks out, she seems to be defending one person and ignoring everything else. It feels like it’s either because she’s scum with Jupiter or scum and knows Jupiter is town and trying to get ahead of a possible mislim by being so defensive of him. It gives her the ability to point back to all the times she defended someone who turns out to be town as a reason to the townread her.

I think that Black has tried to engage with some players in this game, and those players haven't really reciprocated the engagement. While she has made one-offs that I could best describe as shading, I do think some of her lack of deal is that no one seems interested in holding down a convo with her.

Still, I find her pot-shots scummy and want to push her for them.

I'm a little surprised neither of these comments were accompanied by a vote for me

Especially Kay's, who seems to be considering two different scenarios in which I could be scum

[Black]

Ming's posting on the last page feels townie, especially 595. I feel like scum don't really benefit much from coming out of that with three townreads

[Black]

Ming, Jupiter, Jackson, halfasleep

Don't really want to fade any of these today

[Black]

This feels disingenuous, you know why they’re on who they’re on yes?

What do you mean?

[Black]

Jake is voting you for pretty poor reasons

Kay is actually voting me so nevermind there. I overlooked that

I'm not shading them, I just thought their stances on me (Kay's in particular) would be enough to warrant a vote

[Black]

Still, I find her pot-shots scummy and want to push her for them

This in particular felt weird. If Jake wants to push me then why isn't he?

[Black]

VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

Think I want to go here for now

[Black]

[Black]

fire I want to know where you stand on everyone

[Black]

Kay, you seem to be suspicious of Black, what donyou think of her reaction to my self-voting?

One of the main reasons for my suspicion. But there have been other things she’s said that I don’t vibe with, and I feel like she’s been consistently trying to get sus on me from the very beginning of the game. Now, when this insanity breaks out, she seems to be defending one person and ignoring everything else. It feels like it’s either because she’s scum with Jupiter or scum and knows Jupiter is town and trying to get ahead of a possible mislim by being so defensive of him. It gives her the ability to point back to all the times she defended someone who turns out to be town as a reason to the townread her.

I think that Black has tried to engage with some players in this game, and those players haven't really reciprocated the engagement. While she has made one-offs that I could best describe as shading, I do think some of her lack of deal is that no one seems interested in holding down a convo with her.

Still, I find her pot-shots scummy and want to push her for them.

I'm a little surprised neither of these comments were accompanied by a vote for me

Especially Kay's, who seems to be considering two different scenarios in which I could be scum

This feels disingenuous, you know why they’re on who they’re on yes?

Did you think Kay was voting somewhere else when you wrote this? And did you think Jake's vote on you made more sense than him pushing me? I guess I'm kinda confused why you wrote this

[Black]

Ok just wanted to make sure

[Black]

Kay, you seem to be suspicious of Black, what donyou think of her reaction to my self-voting?

One of the main reasons for my suspicion. But there have been other things she’s said that I don’t vibe with, and I feel like she’s been consistently trying to get sus on me from the very beginning of the game. Now, when this insanity breaks out, she seems to be defending one person and ignoring everything else. It feels like it’s either because she’s scum with Jupiter or scum and knows Jupiter is town and trying to get ahead of a possible mislim by being so defensive of him. It gives her the ability to point back to all the times she defended someone who turns out to be town as a reason to the townread her.

I think that Black has tried to engage with some players in this game, and those players haven't really reciprocated the engagement. While she has made one-offs that I could best describe as shading, I do think some of her lack of deal is that no one seems interested in holding down a convo with her.

Still, I find her pot-shots scummy and want to push her for them.

I'm a little surprised neither of these comments were accompanied by a vote for me

Especially Kay's, who seems to be considering two different scenarios in which I could be scum

Except I am currently voting you. If you’re going to make a comment like this trying to sus me for something, I’d think you’d want to make sure what you were saying is true.

But you’re not the first person in this game to misrepresent something I’ve said/done to fit their narrative of me, so maybe it’s just to be expected.

I just overlooked it. It happens

[Black]

When nearly 1/3 of the posts in this game come from Jupiter and Black combined, I’m going to have more opinions on those two players

This is an odd excuse. If you take way my 9 posts from this morning I have around the same posts as most of the player list

[Black]

Black and Kay, can you both explain why you think I’m town real quick?

Vibes mainly. I am townreading your aggression and it feels like you're trying to solve

[Black]

When nearly 1/3 of the posts in this game come from Jupiter and Black combined, I’m going to have more opinions on those two players

This is an odd excuse. If you take way my 9 posts from this morning I have around the same posts as most of the player list

Yes but more were directed toward me that other players posts (Jackson, ming, Jake, PurpleMango) and I already explained my position on the other 3.

Ok that makes sense

[Black]

I say “and now” in that, not because that’s something that happened after you changed your jupiter read but because I’m only finding out the reason now.

EBWOP

Also Black, did you start townreading me at the same time you shifted on Jupiter? Or when did that happen?

It was after your interaction with Jupiter at some point I can't remember the exact sequence of events

[Black]

@Black. If not Kay or Jake, who are you looking at?

Ming, Jupiter, Jackson, halfasleep

Don't really want to fade any of these today

I would be willing to fade pretty much anyone not in these 4

[Black]

I would rather fade you over purple but I could compromise there if needed

[Black]

I actively do not want Kay or Jake out, you don’t want yourself or jup which are my preferences here. I’m willing to consolidate my vote elsewhere.

Fire and Black are you also willing? Ignoring my suspicions I don’t want this much dissonance D1.

Why is Jake town? Sorry if you have a post about it somewhere I don't have time to look atm

[Black]

Ok if you could explain this read later with some examples I would appreciate it

[Black]

I’ve noticed that even when I give logical explanations for my actions as town, I still get pushed and my reasoning is ignored. Last time this happened, the person continuing to push me was scum. I’m going to keep that in mind going forward because it’s tiring to defend myself nonstop only to realize at the end of the game it’s just scum trying to keep me as an option. I don’t feel like I’ve left anything unanswered. I thoroughly explained myself and if that’s not good enough for you, I’m going to assume you have ulterior motives for tunneling on me.

i think it's a little disingenuous to lump being disagreed with and being ignored as the same thing. your logic might make sense to you but that doesn't mean it does to me that's why we're talking.
i'd also like you to consider how being more concerned with defending yourself than anything else might look. you only have one vote (mine) on you i don't understand why you're this indignant about it.

I’ve noticed that even when I give logical explanations for my actions as town, I still get pushed and my reasoning is ignored. Last time this happened, the person continuing to push me was scum. I’m going to keep that in mind going forward because it’s tiring to defend myself nonstop only to realize at the end of the game it’s just scum trying to keep me as an option. I don’t feel like I’ve left anything unanswered. I thoroughly explained myself and if that’s not good enough for you, I’m going to assume you have ulterior motives for tunneling on me.

scum are also capable of coming up with logical explanations for their actions

having a logical explanation for one's actions unfortunately does not make one town

it's still useful to provide them because the more content you have to engage with, the more there is to try to read off of, but yeah

this game is hard and town by definition don't know people's alignments, so while it can be frustrating, i don't think people still suspecting you after thoroughly explaining yourself makes them scum

I agree with both of these posts

[Black]

Jackson if your preference is to vote Jupiter or Bkack, you know I’m already voting black. Why feel the need to compromise with her if you want her out? She doesn’t run the game, you don’t need her permission to vote for her. And you don’t need her blessing to vote someone else.

Do you think Jackson doing this says anything about his alignment?

[Black]

Defending oneself is not alignment indicative. I think there are certain personality types that feel the need to defend themselves against all pushes

[Black]

Jackson if your preference is to vote Jupiter or Bkack, you know I’m already voting black. Why feel the need to compromise with her if you want her out? She doesn’t run the game, you don’t need her permission to vote for her. And you don’t need her blessing to vote someone else.

Do you think Jackson doing this says anything about his alignment?

I think it says something about the state of the game after the Jupiter blow up. I don’t feel the need to go further into it though because it would derail the conversation.

What conversation?

[Black]

I actively do not want Kay or Jake out, you don’t want yourself or jup which are my preferences here. I’m willing to consolidate my vote elsewhere.

Fire and Black are you also willing? Ignoring my suspicions I don’t want this much dissonance D1.

Jackson if your preference is to vote Jupiter or Bkack, you know I’m already voting black. Why feel the need to compromise with her if you want her out? She doesn’t run the game, you don’t need her permission to vote for her. And you don’t need her blessing to vote someone else.

I don’t need her vote, I’m gathering my options.

But for the meantime this flip is the best

VOTE: Black

Interesting progression

[Black]

I don't really think the scumreads on me make a lot of sense, but whatever. This game hasn't been very enjoyable so I wouldn't mind not playing it anymore

[Black]

Sick of you shading people like you’ve been doing this entire time

I shade people when I'm town. You're voting for me because you're mad at me

[Black]

I don't really think the scumreads on me make a lot of sense, but whatever. This game hasn't been very enjoyable so I wouldn't mind not playing it anymore

are we really back here again?

I'm not going to give up or quit. I'm just being honest

[Black]

Sick of you shading people like you’ve been doing this entire time

I shade people when I'm town. You're voting for me because you're mad at me

Nah, I’m voting you because you’re scummy, and I happen to also be mad at you.

Cool

[Black]

I don't really think the scumreads on me make a lot of sense, but whatever. This game hasn't been very enjoyable so I wouldn't mind not playing it anymore

As someone once said about me:

I think Black feels a little

too

casual about being pushed. Like the kind of casual that scum try to imitate when they don't want to seem bothered by a push.

So you agree this is scummy behavior?

[Black]

I don't really think the scumreads on me make a lot of sense, but whatever. This game hasn't been very enjoyable so I wouldn't mind not playing it anymore

As someone once said about me:

I think Black feels a little

too

casual about being pushed. Like the kind of casual that scum try to imitate when they don't want to seem bothered by a push.

So you agree this is scummy behavior?

I’m saying it’s hypocritical from you specifically.

You do realize our reactions were very different right? I don't think I'm being hypocritical at all

[Black]

I don't really think the scumreads on me make a lot of sense, but whatever. This game hasn't been very enjoyable so I wouldn't mind not playing it anymore

As someone once said about me:

I think Black feels a little

too

casual about being pushed. Like the kind of casual that scum try to imitate when they don't want to seem bothered by a push.

So you agree this is scummy behavior?

I’m saying it’s hypocritical from you specifically.

You do realize our reactions were very different right? I don't think I'm being hypocritical at all

Yes, my reaction was casual during the first 2 days of the game when I still assumed it was rvs and had no reason to think a vote on me was something I needed to really worry about especially with no explanation/accusation.

You got voted after 28 pages and plenty on content and you basically say you don’t care and wouldn’t mind not being in the game. Your reaction was definitely worse.

I'm glad we agree they were different reactions

[Black]

Halfasleep would you like to join the Jake wagon? I would be fine going for Kay but I would feel worse about it

[Black]

I'm glad we agree they were different reactions

It’s funny that you think you’re making some great point here, you’re not. My point was you saying that to me originally was unnecessary because I had no reason to not be casual at that time. Now you’re doing what you accused me of doing, but you actually should be defending yourself instead of being casual which is what you claimed was a bad move on my part/AI. If it’s not AI, then you’re just a hypocrite. If it is AI, then you messed up.

My initial point was that you were reacting in the kind of casual way that I would expect from scum. I didn't react the same way as you so I reject your claim that I'm being a hypocrite

I think it's pretty clear you don't like me and that's very apparent in the way you are talking to me

[Black]

I think it's pretty clear you don't like me and that's very apparent in the way you are talking to me

That’s an interesting thing for you to say.

I'm sensing hostility from you and I'm not sure why. If I'm wrong I apologize but there's a bite when you're talking to me that makes me think you just dislike me

[Black]

This game is so cursed, even more than the other micro where scum did nuthin

[Black]

This game is wild

[Black]

The way Black in particular had treated Kay and to a small degree even myself was even worse.
Having cliques and siding with particular people slightly more just happens, maliciously targeting other people should not. Jupiter at the time had insulted Jake and told Kay to disrespectfully “shut the fuck up” twice which is not okay even if he was having a rough time irl. Kay called what he was doing immature, and I stood up against what was happening. Put simply, Black decided to victim blame and call out Kay for being rude (for lack of remembering the exact wording) and me for egging him on.

That is unacceptable behaviour. Period

I disagree with this completely. I don't think I was rude to Kay at all. I asked her if she could stop with the personal insults. "Maliciously targeting" is a wild interpretation of me asking her to stop calling people names

As far as Jupiter goes, he made the "please shut the fuck up" comment less than 60 seconds after I asked Kay to stop. I didn't even see his comments when I asked and by the time I did see it I was tired of the bickering and I just wanted to move on

This interpretation of how I treated Kay (and you apparently?) is so off base

[Black]

Well played town! You guys rocked

Thank you for modding <3

[Black]

Kay didn’t personally insult them at all, she didn’t call anybody names. She said what Jupiter was doing was immature, which it was. You didn’t comment on a single thing Jupiter had done. You focused on the people not taking his shit. That’s not a good look

I don't think Jupiter crossed a line until he told her to stfu so I didn't feel the need to comment on anything he said before that

Regardless, there's a big difference between "not a good look" and "maliciously targeting"

It's perfectly fine if you both dislike me. I couldn't care less. Let's agree that the three of us can't get along and move on

[Black]

I am not responsible for "unacceptable behavior" like you are accusing me of

Take it up with the mod team if you feel so pressed about it. I will no longer be engaging with you

[Black]

It’s weird to conflate “justifiably upset at how one was treated” with “dislike”. Feels like you’re trying to excuse and invalidate the situation by saying it’s just a matter of dislike. That wouldn’t be a correct characterization. And it wouldn’t be the first time.

I know you’re not going to respond and that’s fine, I just wanted to add my opinion because I do think it’s important that I don’t just ignore the situation. I feel like it’s being brushed over in an attempt to invalidate those involved and I’m not okay with that.

I don't mind responding to you if you want to talk about it

I think I'm conflating those two things because I didn't think the way I treated you was all that rude. I asked you to stop calling people names but I didn't personally attack you or do anything malicious to you whatsoever. So I just assumed there was an extra layer involved for you to feel so personally attacked by me

Apologizes if that assumption is incorrect and you actually felt hurt by me asking you to stop calling people names

I'm definitely not trying to invalidate you, but I think some of the accusations presented against me were inaccurate so I felt the need to defend myself

[Black]

I think the issue is that you’re still saying that I was calling people names. Do you really believe I was doing that? I don’t appreciate being so mischaracterized, because I refute that I was insulting anyone at any point in this game

No, I haven't thought that since you clarified shorty after I asked you. I'm not accusing you of doing that anymore, I'm just talking about the instance where I did think you were doing that

Now I believe another reason for your assessment of dislike is that I requested that you not be in the newbie game that was in queues directly after this happened. I hope you can see that that happened so quickly after what happened in this game that I was feeling too raw about the situation to feel like I could fully enjoy that game without being able to resolve what happened in this game as it was still ongoing. I don’t know if it’s possible or reasonable but you can even ask any other mod for any other game I’ve signed up for, you were not someone I requested to not join those games. It was just that newbie game and I was doing it for my own peace of mind

I understand now why you may not have wanted to play with me in that game. I didn't really get it at the time because I didn't realize I upset you so much. You have every right to blacklist people you don't want to play with, I was just really confused why you didn't want to play with me

I believe what you are seeing as dislike is a combination of much more complex feelings surrounding this game in general. Which is why I didn’t appreciate that classification as it felt dismissive

That's fair. My assumption was incorrect and I apologize. If we cross paths in the future I'll try my best to make you feel welcome and at home here