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[BlackStar]

Hi

VOTE: Political Clout

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

I like that Political Clout is trying to figure people out right from the start

[BlackStar]

I got an error when I refreshed the page

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

I like that Political Clout is trying to figure people out right from the start

would you feel comfortable calling anyone leaning scum rn? why or why not.

Nah, it's too soon for that. I need people to post more to figure out who sounds genuine and who doesn't

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

I like that Political Clout is trying to figure people out right from the start

would you feel comfortable calling anyone leaning scum rn? why or why not.

Nah, it's too soon for that. I need people to post more to figure out who sounds genuine and who doesn't

I think smiley, yessirre, kayjayqueue, and penguin bringing up the rear are leaning town for me. what about you?

So far I'm slightly leaning town on you and Penguin. Why are those people your town leans?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Random Nurse

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Random Nurse

Can you go more into this when you have a chance?

I thought it was a bit strange that he said wanting wagons is sus. Then he started to defend PC hard as soon as people started voting for them. I don’t like it

[BlackStar]

@Random Nurse

Do you have any reads right now?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Random Nurse

Can you go more into this when you have a chance?

I thought it was a bit strange that he said wanting wagons is sus. Then he started to defend PC hard as soon as people started voting for them. I don’t like it

OK, I'm going to give you a chance to clarify because I wasn't defending PC at all, and it starts to feel like you're mischaracterizing what I'm saying. Go ahead and show me where I "defended PC hard," BlackStar.

This quote chain just feel really defensive to me for some reason

What's making you choose PC, Dave?

PC's vote.

And?

Why so many questions random nurse

Why don't you like me asking questions, yessiree?

[BlackStar]

personal pet peeve but could yall put giant quote walls in a spoiler

ty ty

Sorry how do you do that?

[BlackStar]

I’m happy writing

SmileyDude

off as town for the time being.

I agree

[BlackStar]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

[BlackStar]

Spoiler: quote wall

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet
-SNIP-

Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?

I’m not experienced enough to speak in absolutes here, but it absolutely can be. Prodding readless people this early into D1 is a super LHF way to male yourself look like you’re doing something solvy, which benefits scum

(yes I know the irony of my word choice in the first sentence, but you get the point I’m trying to make lol. Can’t say it absolutely is AI, but it can be)

I'm a little confused. What's the point of saying that something can be alignment indicative but might not be? If you don't feel strongly about it one way or the other then why mention it?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

I didn't see post 136 so I wasn't sure why you were voting for him

[BlackStar]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

I didn't see post 136 so I wasn't sure why you were voting for him

I think 136 just generates more questions than it gives answers for. Why did 136 answer your question or how did it.

Is Hu Tao's assessment accurate? Or did you have a different reason?

Spoiler:

So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

+scum

I agree. If yess is town I could see Brian soft defending as scum here

Edited for clarity

[BlackStar]

Can you say what your reasons are?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: brian skies

The hostility in your posts during that argument felt kind of unnatural and forced. And I agree with Smiley's point about it being weird that you thought PC was blatantly rolefishing and didn't call him out on it until after the argument started. It seems sus

[BlackStar]

Not really interested in limming bs day 1 on his first game back in ages.

Not really interested in limming bs day 1 on his first game back in ages.

good - this is his second game back in ages.

Is that a good reason to let someone go if they might be scum?

[BlackStar]

Sorry, I misread that

[BlackStar]

Not really interested in limming bs day 1 on his first game back in ages.

good - this is his second game back in ages.

VOTE: political clout

it reads exactly how it's typed out

good - as in that's a good point it's a good post it's a good thing

it's his second game back in ages - correcting them and then repeating the sentiment.

That’s how I read it at first but when he said I was wrong I realized that he meant it was Brian’s second game back so it wasn’t a good reason not to vote for him

[BlackStar]

Then again, I feel icky about jumping on the

Brian Skies

wagon, because I could very well see their posts coming from a townie perspective and also I feel icky about most people who already are voting them.

What do you think a better vote is?

I think

Random Nurse

contributed very little and I'm happy with that wagon building up. The posts I read while running his ISO seemed like he really had nothing to say even in the few times when he did post.

VOTE: Random Nurse

I disagree with the premise of this vote. Nurse has been inactive for a while for unknown reasons to the point of a modprod, and we've had zero chance to see them catch up to important thread activities like the Brian wagon, the whole PC v. Brian thing, Titus actually doing stuff, etc. Not really reasonable to go here until he's engaged again

Yeah, I think this is a good point

[BlackStar]

ITT everyone is gaslighting me.

That’s called paranoia lol

[BlackStar]

StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.

I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????

If dave and I are scummates, that was some pretty clumsy distancing from him earlier when he accused me of slipping for no reason

wait slipping on what?

Go read dave's 163 and the posts it references. As a correction, it was actually BlackStar that first suggested it but dave latched onto the idea quite quickly afterward

I never accused you of that

[BlackStar]

you can't convince me this counterwagon isn't a scum one. I just need to find them.

If you think had to pick one person on the other wagon who you think is scum, who would you pick?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: kayjayqueue

What brought this on?

[BlackStar]

these have been the same two wagons since start of game and the progression and silence just feels off to me. you don't usually end up limming the first wagon unless it's a flash wagon.

There was a Random Nurse wagon before the PC one gained momentum. But you’re right that it feels like there hasn’t been that much movement. This game has been kind of slow

[BlackStar]

Conclusion: I don't think Brian's PC read is real. I feel like if they were voting PC for AI behavior specifically, they'd have been more likely to allude to that at some point before their argument, and their interaction with PC before they stated the reason they voted there doesn't feel like it was approached in the manner I'd expect if they harbored a preexisting scumlean/scumread of the slot. This feels like it's a justification made in post in response to PC pressuring them to me.

interesting cause thats how i feel about PC in that whole back and forth between them

i think we just have fundamental differences in what we consider scummy/townie, but

part of my townraed on brian also comes from the last game so theres a bit of meta involved

. Things like being confrontational and assertive early on, being critical of the gamestate as time goes on, etc

Can you post that game?

[BlackStar]

Conclusion: I don't think Brian's PC read is real. I feel like if they were voting PC for AI behavior specifically, they'd have been more likely to allude to that at some point before their argument, and their interaction with PC before they stated the reason they voted there doesn't feel like it was approached in the manner I'd expect if they harbored a preexisting scumlean/scumread of the slot. This feels like it's a justification made in post in response to PC pressuring them to me.

interesting cause thats how i feel about PC in that whole back and forth between them

i think we just have fundamental differences in what we consider scummy/townie, but

part of my townraed on brian also comes from the last game so theres a bit of meta involved

. Things like being confrontational and assertive early on, being critical of the gamestate as time goes on, etc

Can you post that game?

viewtopic.php?t=92350

Thanks. I’ll look over it

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Greeting

[BlackStar]

21 hours

James Franco went 127 hours, we can make it!

[BlackStar]

1.10

Sorry for the recent lack of flavor, life events have been happening

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greeting (7) :

Titus / StraightFlush / BlackStar / PenguinPower / Davesaz / SmileyDude1 / yessiree

Political Clout (2) :

Brian Skies / yessiree

Brian Skies (1) :

Political Clout

Random Nurse (1) :

Greeting

StraightFlush (1) :

Hu Tao

Titus (1) :

KayJayQueue

Not Voting (1) :

Random Nurse

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to execute someone, day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-25 13:02:46)

vote history

PenguinPower :

yessiree (8) -> Brian Skies (29) -> Random Nurse (118) -> Political Clout (284) -> KayJayQueue (405) -> Random Nurse (415) -> Greeting (495)

yessiree :

PenguinPower (9) -> Political Clout (82) -> Hu Tao (121) -> Political Clout (316) -> Greeting (547)

Davesaz :

greeting (13) -> Political Clout (76) -> Greeting (523)

BlackStar :

Political Clout (18) -> Unvote(52) -> Random Nurse (90) -> Brian Skies (250) -> Greeting (492)

KayJayQueue :

Brian Skies (22) -> Titus (95) -> Brian Skies (271) -> Titus (540)

Political Clout :

Politicial Clout (26) -> Brian Skies (151)

SmileyDude1 :

Brian Skies (27) -> Unvote (91) -> Davesaz (92) -> Unvote (256) -> Brian Skies (269) -> Greeting (490) -> Unvote (527) -> Greeting (538)

Greeting :

BlackStar (70) -> Unvote (332) -> Random Nurse (335)

Brian Skies :

Political Clout (83)

TItus :

Random Nurse (94) -> Political Clout (285) -> Greeting (422)

StraightFlush :

yessiree (124) -> Brian Skies (216) -> Unvote (400) -> Greeting (491)

Hu Tao :

yessiree (128) -> Brian Skies (419) -> Unvote (420) -> StraightFlush (421)

mod notes

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You have yessiree listed as voting for both Greeting and Political Clout

[BlackStar]

Out of the people on the wagon I'm the most suspicious of Penguin and Davesaz. But Random Nurse's post near the end of the day when they tried to hammer also felt weird to me

[BlackStar]

and they also hopped on literally everyone who had anything resembling a wagon during the course of the phase.

Hi. I'm penguin.

I think I feel least good about Penguin, Titus, yessiree from the wagon. Still feeling iffy of Brian.

Why do you feel good about me?

Out of the people on the wagon I'm the most suspicious of Penguin and Davesaz. But Random Nurse's post near the end of the day when they tried to hammer also felt weird to me

Same questions, but change good to bad.

You flip flip too much and it seems like you just want to see anyone get limmed

VOTE: PenguinPower

[BlackStar]

buddy - you can read my d1 in

any

of my games and I do the same thing regardless of alignment. such a weak reason.

Saying that you do that as any alignment isn't a good reason for me to trust you.

[BlackStar]

i mean - sure. doesn't change the fact that this is your progression and it was a bad end to the day:

the speed of the Greeting wagon makes me think he's probably not scum here

Aight, Greeting can go ahead and claim

VOTE: Greeting

let's just get this over with

would rather not let apathy linger

This does seem like a really quick turnaround

And I'd do it agane!!

Why?

[BlackStar]

I messed up the quoting

[BlackStar]

Good morning... or afternoon. I've been making progress on improving my sleep schedule lately but this was a setback.

Here's a full readlist:
TOWNREAD
StraightFlush
Titus
Brian Skies

TOWNLEAN
KayJayQueue
Hu Tao

NULL
Davesaz

MIXED
Random Nurse
Political Clout
yessiree

SCUMREAD
PenguinPower
BlackStar

You've been saying for a while now that you scum read me, so why haven't you voted for me? What are you waiting for?

[BlackStar]

I still don’t understand why you’ve been saying I’m your top scum read for so long but you didn’t vote for me until I asked you about it

[BlackStar]

If you think I order my readlists by read strength, I don’t.

My bad. Usually when people list someone at the bottom of their list it means that they trust them the least

[BlackStar]

Regardless of order strength - I would assume that when you have someone consistently in your scum bucket for almost all of the game and write a blurb on why they are scummy...you would in fact, find them scummy so his point is a valid one.

Spoiler: quote wall

Current reads, not ordered with in categories since I don't have the braincells for it rn:

TOWN
Smiley
Random Nurse
Greeting
Hu Tao

NULL
PenguinPower
KayJayQueue

MIXED
Political Clout
Titus
davesaz
yessiree

SCUM
Brian Skies
BlackStar

Surprisingly even spread all things considered

Good morning... or afternoon. I've been making progress on improving my sleep schedule lately but this was a setback.

Here's a full readlist:
TOWNREAD
StraightFlush
Titus
Brian Skies

TOWNLEAN
KayJayQueue
Hu Tao

NULL
Davesaz

MIXED
Random Nurse
Political Clout
yessiree

SCUMREAD
PenguinPower
BlackStar

BlackStar: This guy keeps setting off alarm bells for me and this is the loudest one. He was not the FIRST to sheep Greeting, but the SECOND person, which is much better optics from a scum POV. He also didn't have any visible progression from sussing one of PC or Brian to being convinced enough about Greeting to turbo them MINUTES after the opportunity showed itself. His TP in general has also felt kinda sparse, like a lot of his interactions are just single posts spread out by about 12 hours to the point that he rarely ends up appearing in the same conversation more than once. Feels like scum trying to spread themselves out and seem more active/solvy than they actually are.

Yeah, that’s why I thought the scum read me the most. It seemed weird to me that it took this long for them to vote for me if they felt so strongly about it

[BlackStar]

Town

Brian Skies
KayJayQueue
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
BlackStar
davesaz
Titus
StraightFlush
Political Clout
Hu Tao

Scum

Anyway, where my head is at. I'm ok with limming any 1 of the bottom 3

Why is BrianSkies so high up?

[BlackStar]

One question at a time buddy

Would be nice if he answered those directed toward him before asking a paragraph’s worth of his own.

I’m also interested in finding out who his top scum read is

[BlackStar]

One question at a time buddy

Would be nice if he answered those directed toward him before asking a paragraph’s worth of his own.

I’m also interested in finding out who his top scum read is

You are now, why else would I be voting for you. Reading my SoD wallpost makes any other reading impossible; if you read back, you’ll notice that my objection yesterday was limited to you thinking it had been that way since D1 based on an ordering system that actually meant nothing.

VOTE: StraightFlush

This whole conversation about me not being your top scum read but actually being your top scum read has been so weird and it feels like you’ve been lying. I don’t know what the motive is, but this doesn’t feel authentic at all

[BlackStar]

Dude this is a bad-faith reading of events and you know it, get the OMGUS out of my face. And you have the fucking gall to whinge about authenticity.

How is this bad faith? You claim to scum read me in multiple posts and have me at the bottom of your list but never put a vote down on me. The moment that I question you about this you finally vote for me but say that I’m not your top scum read. Then when I ask who your top scum read is you change your tune and say that it is me.

The best explanation I can think of is that you’re scum who was testing the waters to see if anyone was interested in wagoning me, but nobody seemed interested. I showed the inconsistency between your reads and your votes and you started panicking

[BlackStar]

The moment that I question you about this you finally vote for me

Does 608-611 mean nothing to you?

Also I assume your nonsense is mainly based on my 614, but the only thing I say there is that I have never SAID you were my top scumread, not that you aren’t it currently. Even in my wallpost where I outline the case against you, I don’t actually say that and that should be worth noting. Your interpretation reads more like scum insecurity about how much you’re being sussed, to the point that you need clarification form me in order to adjust your behavior accordingly.

Can you explain what you meant by the bolded part?

Alright, time for some late-night wagon analysis.

Firstly, based on the lack of a counterwagon or ANY tangible resistance to Greeting's wagon after it formed, there has to be a heavy scum presence on it imo. If we're dealing with a 10-3 setup, two mafia are on that wagon minimum. I'm willing to be pulled off this theory later if the evidence points to it, but that's what I'm proceeding on for now.

Secondly, Smiley being chosen as the NK tells us quite a bit after reading his ISO. I don't really do detailed readings and note-taking for ISOs much but you can really get a good idea of where his head was at because he was so active. Great town player tbh, let's get on with the loose analysis

Titus: As the originator of the Greeting wagon and the one who really only talked about how much they wanted to launch Greeting past a certain point in the phase, the easy thing to do is point the finger at him. However, I think it's unlikely atp because of how they handled their post-VLA thread presence. They were the lowest poster by far and exclusively tunnelled Greeting past a certain point, which is extremely nooby scumplay and not something I'd expect from anyone in this game, not even myself. I think they were more convinced than most of us that PC/Brian was TvT, but remember that MOST OF US WERE WILLING TO BELIEVE THAT PC/BRIAN WAS TVT REGARDLESS. To the point that we turboed them with no CW. So it's hard to blame Titus for their position.

Me: I was the first to sheep Titus. I look sus. If you scumread Titus or me separately, this probably makes us look more sus. However, I maintain that I am town.

BlackStar: This guy keeps setting off alarm bells for me and this is the loudest one.

He was not the FIRST to sheep Greeting, but the SECOND person, which is much better optics from a scum POV. He also didn't have any visible progression from sussing one of PC or Brian to being convinced enough about Greeting to turbo them MINUTES after the opportunity showed itself. His TP in general has also felt kinda sparse, like a lot of his interactions are just single posts spread out by about 12 hours to the point that he rarely ends up appearing in the same conversation more than once. Feels like scum trying to spread themselves out and seem more active/solvy than they actually are.

PenguinPower: Very hard to read for me, I think their thread behavior is broadly deserving of a scumlean because they were active during RVS then fell off slightly, and they also hopped on literally everyone who had anything resembling a wagon during the course of the phase. But their actual behavior within their posts makes them difficult to nail down. Not my first choice for a vote but scum!Penguin would fit kinda neatly into my hypothesis. Would be interested to see others' reads on this slot.

Davesaz: Null slot, not enough content despite no VLA. Some call that scummy in itself but he made vague references to being busy IRL so I'd leave it be for now. His few posted thoughts have been kinda scattered across topics and unclear with their intent (like with his allusions about the AIness of the rolefishing stuff and my alleged "scumslip"), so I can't really know where his headspace is at. True neutral, wouldn't be surprised at scum or town atp

SmileyDude1: He's fucking dead lmao rip

I'll go over the off-wagon stuff briefly but FUCKING HELL IT'S 2AM WHY DID I STAY UP TO WRITE THIS HALF-ASSED SHIT

Brian Skies/KayJayQueue: Lumping them together b/c my thoughts are simple. I think their stance on the Greeting wagon and how they handled it leans towny based on the idea that they smelled a rat and wanted to chase something else. Titus in KJQ's case, PC in Brian's case. Both valid scumreads. However this could also read as distancing depending on how obvious they thought town would find the scumminess of the Greeting wagon. Hence TLs, not TRs.

Hu Tao: As horrible as they've been about explaining their scumreads on myself and Dave, I was among the first on the Greeting wagon and Dave followed later. I can't be too surprised. Seems towny because scum!HT would know I'm town and have no reason to scumread and antagonize me after I defended them earlier in the phase. Can't speak to their behavior on Dave, they might just be naturally suspicious of lowposters or think the scumslip thing was sloppy distancing.

PC: My only reasonably strong off-wagon scumread. Smiley's ISO reads to me as someone who would be very dangerous to scum!PC: someone who isn't tunneling him or even actively campaigning against him, but always keeping him in the corner of his eye throughout the phase despite its many shifts. Read for yourself and you might disagree, but I'm not feeling as good about PC now. However his D1 behavior still felt towny to me, so I'll have to reconcile that somehow.

Not voting anywhere until I hear other thoughts, my vote habits will be terrible if I just focus on my own interpretation of the flips.

Oh I forgot about yessiree. Must ISO him. Too tired. Will do later, hopefully.

[BlackStar]

snip

There were certain things I saw in D1 (outlined in post) which I felt could be scummy, and I felt that your behavior around the Greeting wagon was the scummiest of those things. Simple stuff. Anything else, officer?

So you believed that my actions were the scummiest but I wasn’t your top scum read? How does that work? Who WAS your top scum read?

[BlackStar]

And the name calling is uncalled for

[BlackStar]

I’ve been really busy but I’ll try to get caught up later today

[BlackStar]

I'm leaning town on JacksonVirgo so far. He's putting serious effort into trying to understand people and his frustration at StraightFlush dismissing his thoughts felt genuine

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Brian Skies

Okay what i supposed to do?

Your question and your action seem contradictory. Enlighten us as to your intent here.

I have no idea what i did why i did

How much of the game have you read so far?

[BlackStar]

Not really that defensive fmpov

, and you choosing to call it out only makes me more sure I'm onto something with that observation. On the bright side, it probably gives me a reason to townread you even harder

Didn't you call Titus defensive here?

hmmmmmm. Actually, this is an odd response since Titus is one of the main people that it's been said I could be linked to.

Seems strangely defensive to draw that conclusion in this context

[BlackStar]

I'm also fine with a straightflush elim

I’m glad you’ve seen the light

Hmm. What am I not seeing with straightflush?

There are just too many instances where he posts something and then directly contradicts himself later on. He writes them off as mistakes or misunderstandings but it feels like a pattern at this point

[BlackStar]

Straightflush Blackstar +1

I don’t want to misinterpret, what did you mean here?

Scumteam.

StraightFlush is prbably scum, so you got 1/3

[BlackStar]

I've played with Enchant before and they seem like being a force of chaos. It's hard to read them

[BlackStar]

Are you gonna claim, StraightFlush?

[BlackStar]

I feel bad about the StraightFlush lim. I was so sure that he was scum, but I really messed up. Sorry

[BlackStar]

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

[BlackStar]

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

If it’s not something that might out an asset to the town, I’d love to hear the theory. Sometimes 3 heads on a thought are better than 1. Anything could be helpful, even if we end up deciding it’s not correct. It still eliminates a possibility, you know?

Well, JacksonVirgo made multiple posts where he expressed suspicion of Hu Tao. And now he’s been killed. So I can’t help wondering if he was onto something and Hu Tao wanted to shut him up.

That’s pretty flimsy though

[BlackStar]

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

If it’s not something that might out an asset to the town, I’d love to hear the theory. Sometimes 3 heads on a thought are better than 1. Anything could be helpful, even if we end up deciding it’s not correct. It still eliminates a possibility, you know?

Well, JacksonVirgo made multiple posts where he expressed suspicion of Hu Tao. And now he’s been killed. So I can’t help wondering if he was onto something and Hu Tao wanted to shut him up.

That’s pretty flimsy though

Aldo why bring me up and not the person he was actually voting? Sus

I town read Titus. I’m unsure about you

[BlackStar]

Blatant bus

Who was bussing?

I am ill. Vla today.

Get well soon

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[BlackStar]

Blackstar can you tell me why you scumread me?

Since this day started you've been trying to cast doubt on literally everyone but you're not fully committing to it. It seems like you're testing the waters to see who most people suspect the most and then you'll join that side

Titus seems like obv town to me here

I agree

Hmm maybe Titus didn't act one of the nights and why he agreed with this

can i get a claim there, yessiree?

This kinda seems like scum wanting their partner to fake claim

All 3 people who didn't vote yess are sus tbh.

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Random Nurse

Enchant replaces Random Nurse !

[BlackStar]

It doesn't seem like you're paying attention...

[BlackStar]

@Hu Tao

I don’t really like doing associations. It’s easy to accidentally invent connections that aren’t there. I was scum reading you independently.

But looking back through yessiree’s iso, he made a lot of posts about you that look like distancing.

[BlackStar]

Here are some examples

Hmm. I have no gut reads so far

Let's lim Hu Tao

Edit: @Nurse, you were correct to infer that I was eager to get some wagons going, but the rest was stretching it

VOTE: Hu Tao

why so defensive

Spoiler: quote wall

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet
-SNIP-

Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?

I’m not experienced enough to speak in absolutes here, but it absolutely can be. Prodding readless people this early into D1 is a super LHF way to male yourself look like you’re doing something solvy, which benefits scum

what makes you think Hu Tao a LHF? She's deffo not a LHF, she's a more of a wasp nest if i say so myself

I think Hu Tao just living life on fast forward

Town

Brian Skies
KayJayQueue
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
BlackStar
davesaz
Titus
StraightFlush
Political Clout
Hu Tao

Scum

Anyway, where my head is at. I'm ok with limming any 1 of the bottom 3

[BlackStar]

I feel like I'm second-guessing my opinions on everyone nonstop. Right now the only person who I'm confident is town is KayKayQueue. Why does it have to be so hard to read people? lol

[BlackStar]

*KayJayQueue

[BlackStar]

His anger at KJQ didn’t seem fake. And you could’ve waited to see how the replacement acted

[BlackStar]

I agree waiting for the replacement was optimal but whatever. So his results were enchant vanilla and was blocked when targeting Kay or Kay is some kind of ascetic. Correct?

Yeah

[BlackStar]

I wanted to wait for her to show up, but I guess I might as well do it now. I roleblocked Titus last night.

VOTE: Titus

I think you should claim

[BlackStar]

I wanted to wait for her to show up, but I guess I might as well do it now. I roleblocked Titus last night.

VOTE: Titus

I think you should claim

What you did other nights

N1- Davesaz
N2- yessiree
N3- Enchant
N4- Titus

[BlackStar]

I tried to target people who most people seemed suspicious of

[BlackStar]

Now that I think about it, everyone should claim. It'll be easy to figure out who is lying. I think I know who Titus' partner is

[BlackStar]

I tried to target people who most people seemed suspicious of

If you roleblocked Enchant the night Penguin checked me, why didn’t his go through? Is the implication that both town and scum have roleblockers?

That’s the conclusion that I’ve come to

[BlackStar]

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

If it’s not something that might out an asset to the town, I’d love to hear the theory. Sometimes 3 heads on a thought are better than 1. Anything could be helpful, even if we end up deciding it’s not correct. It still eliminates a possibility, you know?

Well, JacksonVirgo made multiple posts where he expressed suspicion of Hu Tao. And now he’s been killed. So I can’t help wondering if he was onto something and Hu Tao wanted to shut him up.

That’s pretty flimsy though

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

If it’s not something that might out an asset to the town, I’d love to hear the theory. Sometimes 3 heads on a thought are better than 1. Anything could be helpful, even if we end up deciding it’s not correct. It still eliminates a possibility, you know?

Well, JacksonVirgo made multiple posts where he expressed suspicion of Hu Tao. And now he’s been killed. So I can’t help wondering if he was onto something and Hu Tao wanted to shut him up.

That’s pretty flimsy though

Aldo why bring me up and not the person he was actually voting? Sus

I town read Titus. I’m unsure about you

VOTE: Hu Tao

Why would you roleblock your townread and not me your scumread?

I already said that I used my ability on people who were widely scum read. I scum read you but nobody else did so it didn’t make sense to use it on you. If everyone scum reads someone, there’s probably a high chance that that person is scum

[BlackStar]

I responded to this post by Hu Tao right before I claimed. If I was going to make a fake claim, don’t you think I would include a night action on Penguin?

I agree waiting for the replacement was optimal but whatever. So his results were enchant vanilla and was blocked when targeting Kay or Kay is some kind of ascetic. Correct?

Yeah

[BlackStar]

Titus is confirmed scum from my point of view unless you want me to believe that the scum team just didn’t kill anyone last night

[BlackStar]

Hu Tao defending Titus so hard makes me think that she’s probably her partner.

Enchant was cleared by the cop and KJQ was roleblocked by the mafia roleblocker so the second scum has to be either Hu Tao and Brian Skies. Brian Skies hasn’t really done anything that seems anti-town, so I’m pretty sure it’s Hu Tao

[BlackStar]

Right, my mistake. Still, I’ve been town reading you for a long time and I don’t think it’s likely that you’re partnered with Titus

[BlackStar]

I tried to target people who most people seemed suspicious of

Who exactly was suspicious of Enchant?

Day 3 ended really fast so I was going off of who people were suspicious of on Day 2.

I started a wagon on Random Nurse pretty early on and was wary of them. And I remember that before StraightFlush died he said that he was suspicious of Random Nurse for rushing in and trying to hammer the first wagon when he’d been inactive for so long.

HEY, you forgot SOMEONE.

Oh yeah! You tried to hammer but epically failed as yessiree got the buzzer-beater shot. Not sure how to feel about that if you were as absent from the thread as you say you were. I’ll jot you down as mixed

Then he was pissed at Enchant and thought that their lack of interest in getting caught up wasn’t pro town.

Unbelievable.

VOTE: Emchant

Replacing semi-dead weight with fully dead weight does not, in fact, improve the gamestate. Who knew?

Brian also made this post

From my experience, replacements who avoid reading the game tend to be scum.

There was enough uncertainty around Enchant that I thought it couldn’t hurt to block them and see if anything happened.

[BlackStar]

I guess I should just follow my gut 100% the next time I'm a PR instead of trying to figure out who the town would want me to target the most. I can see how this looks confusing

[BlackStar]

I’m never going to learn all this lingo lol my belief is that they purposely did not kill anyone last night.

Why would they do that? A kill last night would've brought the numbers to 3 town and 2 mafia. If they got another mis-elim today, then the game would be over. Not killing doesn't make any sense

[BlackStar]

Because you can claim to have role blocked Titus, your partner. She flips scum and everyone trusts you until the end and you win at 3.

Hu Tao was the only person who was suspicious of me so that doesn't seem like it would be necessary if I was scum. And again, why would I not include Penguin in my night actions if I was fake claiming? People would've been much more likely to believe me if I said that I did

[BlackStar]

Because you can claim to have role blocked Titus, your partner. She flips scum and everyone trusts you until the end and you win at 3.

Hu Tao was the only person who was suspicious of me so that doesn't seem like it would be necessary if I was scum. And again, why would I not include Penguin in my night actions if I was fake claiming? People would've been much more likely to believe me if I said that I did

To avoid a counterclaim if there did happen to be a town role blocker.

If there was a counter claim, it would just come down to who everyone believed more. There wouldn't be any reason not to say that you blocked him

[BlackStar]

I suppose the mass claim isn't too important today since no-elim is always an option.

If I try to block Titus again she'll just have her partner kill someone instead. We have a chance to get rid of one of the mafia today, so we should do it.

[BlackStar]

Who do you guess is her partner if you had to choose?

I already said that it's either Hu Tao or Brian Skies. But probably Hu Tao.

[BlackStar]

I'm a rolestopper. I stopped Kay last night, so she's clear.

It's clear BlackStar thought there was a role blocker and tried to fake guilty Titus thinking she was the role blocker, so she's very likely town

Wait. I messed up LOL

I rolestopped Titus last night. So she's the clear one

This is a pretty desperate attempt to save your partner. You can't even keep your story straight

[BlackStar]

I'm a rolestopper. I stopped Kay last night, so she's clear.

It's clear BlackStar thought there was a role blocker and tried to fake guilty Titus thinking she was the role blocker, so she's very likely town

Wait. I messed up LOL

I rolestopped Titus last night. So she's the clear one

This is a pretty desperate attempt to save your partner. You can't even keep your story straight

It may have worked on penguin but not here bucko

What worked on penguin?

My role is confirmed, yours is not.

It's confirmed that someone blocked Penguin. It's not confirmed that you're town

[BlackStar]

It's not confirmed Penguin was blocked, just that he didn't get a result.

Isn't that the same thing?

[BlackStar]

I'm a rolestopper. I stopped Kay last night, so she's clear.

It's clear BlackStar thought there was a role blocker and tried to fake guilty Titus thinking she was the role blocker, so she's very likely town

Wait. I messed up LOL

I rolestopped Titus last night. So she's the clear one

This is a pretty desperate attempt to save your partner. You can't even keep your story straight

It may have worked on penguin but not here bucko

What worked on penguin?

My role is confirmed, yours is not.

It's confirmed that someone blocked Penguin. It's not confirmed that you're town

This is a slip btw

I don't see how it could be

[BlackStar]

Hu Tao has been saying all this time that there aren't 2 people with blocking abilities and she claimed VT before. Now that things are turning against Titus she completely changes her story and claims night actions that make both her and Titus look good. It couldn't be more obvious that she's lying

[BlackStar]

Like she couldn't even remember who she supposedly rolestopped lol. Come on

[BlackStar]

You must have a different definition of slip than me

[BlackStar]

And I like how you keep trying to sweep you mistake about who you "rolestopped" under the rug

[BlackStar]

My role IS confirmed. You can't say my claim is fake.

Your mistake was not claiming you roleblocked penguin.

Your claim is fake because you claim to be town. You and I both know that you're not. I believe that you used your ability and that's why Penguin got no result on Kay. That's the only thing you've told the truth about

[BlackStar]

Why did you wait until now to claim to be a rolestopper?

[BlackStar]

Why did you wait until now to claim to be a rolestopper?

I had to think of a good fake claim sorry

Thanks for admitting it Now do us all a favor and bus Titus or self vote.

[BlackStar]

Penguins action n3 was confirmed blocked. He said so.

You were saying earlier that he wasn’t blocked. You called it a slip when I said that

[BlackStar]

I wanted to wait for her to show up, but I guess I might as well do it now. I roleblocked Titus last night.

VOTE: Titus

I think you should claim

Are there any modifiers to your role?

Nope

[BlackStar]

Good luck figuring that out tomorrow between Brian and Kay. They both just fence sit.

Seeing caught scum flail like this is kind of sad. Now everyone is scum because they aren’t rushing to agree with you?

[BlackStar]

I also noticed that Titus hasn’t posted at all in ages

[BlackStar]

Reminder. The "roleblocker" said this about me. But did not roleblock me last night. And instead "roleblocked" his town read titus

Blackstar can you tell me why you scumread me?

Since this day started you've been trying to cast doubt on literally everyone but you're not fully committing to it. It seems like you're testing the waters to see who most people suspect the most and then you'll join that side

Titus seems like obv town to me here

I agree

Hmm maybe Titus didn't act one of the nights and why he agreed with this

can i get a claim there, yessiree?

This kinda seems like scum wanting their partner to fake claim

All 3 people who didn't vote yess are sus tbh.

Well that’s just a blatant misrep. You went for older posts instead of a more recent one

I feel like I'm second-guessing my opinions on everyone nonstop. Right now the only person who I'm confident is town is KayKayQueue. Why does it have to be so hard to read people? lol

[BlackStar]

Also wait I just realized something. Since my role is confirmed is rolestopper above role blocker in action resolution? If so, that means if we want to live in fantasy land that Blackstar is a role blocker and targeted Titus, and I targeted Titus, my action would go first. Which means his role block would be stopped. And I would be the reason for the no kill last night.

Which would confirm me as town correct? Since my role is already confirmed by penguin.

I just saw this post. If Hu Tao was a Town Rolestopper who used their ability on Titus, she would’ve come this conclusion as soon as Day 4 started. The fact that it took multiple real life days for her to say this should tell you that she’s a Mafia rolestopper or roleblocker.

[BlackStar]

*Day 5

[BlackStar]

VOTE: blackstar

Who is going to be the first to vote scum

Don’t worry, I’m already doing that

[BlackStar]

Yes. I tried to bait whoever scum was into thinking I was VT so they would be caught. Because I only knew that I stopped the kill, not who did the kill. So I tried to make them think someone would guilty them. Which forced them to claim

If that was the case, why wouldn’t you claim rolestopper and say that you protected Titus as soon as someone claimed roleblocker? It just looks like you didn’t realize that a rolestopper would have superseded a roleblocker’s actions until now

[BlackStar]

Also wait I just realized something. Since my role is confirmed is rolestopper above role blocker in action resolution? If so, that means if we want to live in fantasy land that Blackstar is a role blocker and targeted Titus, and I targeted Titus, my action would go first. Which means his role block would be stopped. And I would be the reason for the no kill last night.

Which would confirm me as town correct? Since my role is already confirmed by penguin.

In fact you straight up say here that you didn’t realize it until this moment. You’re contradicting your own story about planning things out all along

[BlackStar]

Idk

It's analog of Doctor. If possible i also would try to get you killed without claiming in her place.


I think it's more reason to TRUST Hu Tao, because she actually doesn't want to eat bullet, which protective realistically wouldn't want to do.


Meh. I am hammering BlackJack ofc.

Personally, if I believe 100% that someone is scum then I’ll do whatever it takes to get them limmed. Getting rid of one of the scum team is worth it no matter what

[BlackStar]

She did though

She claimed VT. Then she changed her mind when things were looking bad for Titus and claimed to be a role stopper. If she was actually a town rolestopper there wouldn’t have been any reason to claim VT after I made my claim

[BlackStar]

Besides you also didn't claim instantly.

I wanted Titus to post before I confronted her but decided there was no point in waiting

[BlackStar]

Lets recap Hu Tao’s actions from today

- Claims VT
- Changes her mind days later and claims to be rolestopper. She can’t remember who she stopped on Day 3 and has to change her claim
- She “realizes” days later that if she was a town rolestopper then her night action would have saved Titus
- She claims that she knew this all along even though she made a post that directly contradicts this

It should be abundantly clear at this point that she’s just making things up as she goes along. I caught her partner and she’s been running scared ever since. I can’t believe you guys are about to kill your third PR of the game instead of just listening to me. This is crazy

[BlackStar]

Kay, I think they are just hoping that since you're new that you'll vote Titus today. I know you're probably scumreading Titus based on activity, but that's not how to read her. You need to read her posts and see if they make sense to you. Like why she's doing what she did

Strange appeal.

It's especially strange because Hu Tao was saying that she thinks Kay or Brian Skies could be scum but in this post she's acting as if she knows Kay is town

[BlackStar]

as an unbiased spectator I thought blackstar was objectively very scummy and hu tao was objectively very towny

i basically think the way blackstar has conducted himself this whole phase screams scum and his posting is loaded with classic scum tells

As a biased player, i also get the added benefit of knowing Blackstar is scum, so there’s that

anyway it’s 4 am ill explain everything tomorrow and solve the game blah blah

I'm interested in seeing this "solve". Your slot has already been caught so I'm curious to see how you'll try to spin this

[BlackStar]

Kay, I think they are just hoping that since you're new that you'll vote Titus today. I know you're probably scumreading Titus based on activity, but that's not how to read her. You need to read her posts and see if they make sense to you. Like why she's doing what she did

Strange appeal.

It's especially strange because Hu Tao was saying that she thinks Kay or Brian Skies could be scum but in this post she's acting as if she knows Kay is town

I was actually saying that to see what Brian would do. I've obviously been townreading Kay since like day 1

So your partner gets one vote closer to being eliminated and you suddenly regain a town read on the person you need to vote in your favor? Got it

[BlackStar]

I think the best way to put it is to try to imagine what type of emotion or mental state town!Black Star would be likely to have in this position

Does the blustery and confident “Haha you’re caught and obvious scum how quaint haha” tone fit with that?

What is the proper way to respond to someone who’ve blocked from carrying out a night kill? And why do you believe that you’re the final authority on how every town player acts?

[BlackStar]

I think the best way to put it is to try to imagine what type of emotion or mental state town!Black Star would be likely to have in this position

Does the blustery and confident “Haha you’re caught and obvious scum how quaint haha” tone fit with that?

What is the proper way to respond to someone who’ve blocked from carrying out a night kill? And why do you believe that you’re the final authority on how every town player acts?

also I don’t know why you are asking me sorting-esque questions if you have me as caught scum

Like obviously if that’s true I am just lying

It’s not a sorting question. I’m pointing out that your post doesn’t make sense

[BlackStar]

Black Star what is your rationale for why Hu Tao counter claimed you again

She didn’t counter claim. I claimed roleblocker and she claimed rolestopper. After I made my claim, Penguin’s lack of result on Kay was still unexplained. Hu Tao knew that it would be easy to decrease my credibility by pointing out that I didn’t claim a night action on Penguin.

Mentioning that wasn’t enough to completely turn the town against me so she finally had no choice but to admit that she blocked Penguin and hope that people would believe that he was town aligned over me. She claimed rolestopper instead of roleblocker because it would allow her to claim to have protected you. It was a move that could save the entire scum team

[BlackStar]

Actually she said that she rolestopped Kay. My bad. Still, the same logic applies

[BlackStar]

Funniest part is Blackstar claims that he roleblocked you, but he hard TR your slot yesterday

The funniest part is you repeating this lie even though I already debunked it

I feel like I'm second-guessing my opinions on everyone nonstop. Right now the only person who I'm confident is town is KayKayQueue. Why does it have to be so hard to read people? lol

[BlackStar]

Unless you can think of an ultra strong PR. And even in that case Scum can't multitask. And because of this, Blackstar had to be the one to do the kill because of the claim. So if there was a scum goon it was likely BlackStar not Enchant. I just think mechanically he's town.

So it’s either Brian or Titus. If you townread me and thought Enchant was town due to vanilla result, and you think you have cleared Titus, wouldn’t you have immediately said the scum team was BlackStar/Brian?

Exactly

[BlackStar]

Everyone might as well just trust their instincts and place their votes now. I’ve done all I can to show that Titus and Hu Tao are guilty. I really don't know what else I can say to make it clear. This should be an open-and-shut case. Please make the right call

[BlackStar]

Everyone might as well just trust their instincts and place their votes now. I’ve done all I can to show that Titus and Hu Tao are guilty. I really don't know what else I can say to make it clear. This should be an open-and-shut case. Please make the right call

I feel like as town you’d be fighting harder knowing that if we mislim you, we just lose.

I've been fighting all this time and nobody is listening. Idk what else to do

[BlackStar]

Just tell us your partner

I'm actually single at the moment

I'd ask who your partner is but it's clear that you're with Titus/Dannflor

[BlackStar]

I just feel so tired of repeating myself at this point. The two of you couldn't be more obviously scum but the town is shooting the messenger for some reason. It's beyond frustrating

[BlackStar]

Just tell us your partner

I think it's Brian. Like 95% sure

Posts like this are exactly what Dannflor said town would never do if they thought they'd caught scum. Yet I'm 100% positive he's gonna act like he sees no problem when Hu Tao does it

[BlackStar]

I just feel so tired of repeating myself at this point. The two of you couldn't be more obviously scum but the town is shooting the messenger for some reason. It's beyond frustrating

I’ve been very openly trying to sort everything out, but I’m not getting anywhere.

You said that you think the scum team is either Me and Titus or Hu Tao and Titus. If that's the case, then the logical move is for you to vote for Titus/Dannflor and try to figure things out after that

[BlackStar]

I will wait for Hu Tao before voting.

Why?

[BlackStar]

If you want to vote for someone then just do it

[BlackStar]

When you try to force not partner interactions

The scum team has already pretty much won. You don't have to keep gloating about it

[BlackStar]

If Hu Tao is town, then she will probably be night-killed. So why not give her another chance to say what she needs to.

If Hu Tao is scum, it doesn't really matter what she wants to say because the game will end.

I am currently moving forward with the hopes Hu Tao is town. So I am giving her the chance to say what she needs to.

She isn't town and she's just gonna keep saying "black + brian = scum" over and over so you might as well just vote

[BlackStar]

See what I'm talking about?

[BlackStar]

Pretty sure there are three votes on BlackStar.

Nope. Everyone unvoted and then Dann re-voted.

[BlackStar]

I still don't get why ya'll aren't voting for Dann

[BlackStar]

When you try to force not partner interactions

Is there any way, literally any way, you could believe there was a no kill and your clear on Titus isn’t a clear? Just wondering. I think I know the answer though.

Let me triple check that I targeted Titus

What I mean is if you targeted Titus but they didn’t kill anyone, it doesn’t matter who you targeted they wouldn’t actually be cleared if there wasn’t a kill ordered. Right?

Yeah unless they no killed. But doubt. Star wouldn't have claimed if they did

Unless that was the plan, like I said. You just threw a wrench in it by claiming to role stop on Titus. If you had never done that and had role stopped me instead (pretend you could’ve) I feel like we’d all be voting Titus right now. (Dann)

Again, you should listen to your gut read about Titus/Dannflor and vote there if you're this concerned about it

[BlackStar]

Welp, the town lost. GG scum. You guys deserved that win

[BlackStar]

Dunn never voted.

What the fuck is gg

Yeah he did

[BlackStar]

Is the game over? What is happening?

I had 3 votes on me and then you unvoted. Now Dann is doing some weird scum theater with Hu Tao

[BlackStar]

you can drop it blackstar

I should be saying that to you

[BlackStar]

What does this mean?

[BlackStar]

Gg

Why say this when the game was not over. Even if it was hammer it would only be gg if the game was ending and that would only happen if BlackStar was town so why say that. You know I’ve been on the fence about this so why do that and make me second guess everything???

She's been gloating for the past few pages

This is character Hu Tao from game Genshin Impact

Oh, I never played it

[BlackStar]

Gg

Why say this when the game was not over. Even if it was hammer it would only be gg if the game was ending and that would only happen if BlackStar was town so why say that. You know I’ve been on the fence about this so why do that and make me second guess everything???

How do you know if the game is over or not?

Because if we vote out BlackStar and he is scum, game continues. If the game ends it’s because BlackStar is town. Is that not right?

That's correct.

[BlackStar]

Seriously, what are you even trying to do?

[BlackStar]

Can the town please just vote for Dann or Hu Tao now?

[BlackStar]

Seriously, what are you even trying to do?

Didn't even get the p5 reference smh

It's been 6 years since I played it

[BlackStar]

The day isn't over though. Unless I'm really bad at math (very possible), that wasn't a hammer

[BlackStar]

That was only 3 votes

[BlackStar]

Oh, I thought that Enchant wasn't voting me

[BlackStar]

Because I didn't

[BlackStar]

The scum team really did a great job in this game though. I couldn't do anything against you guys

[BlackStar]

So you are scum roleblocker?

We both know that's your role

[BlackStar]

Playing as VT is way more fun than being a PR. Hopefully I don't have to do it again any time soon

[BlackStar]

You might as well drop character at this point

[BlackStar]

Imagine if we were both town and scum is like Dann enchant. I'd die LMFAO

That would suck so much lol

[BlackStar]

GG everyone.

I almost tanked the entire game, but I’m glad we were still able to win in the end

[BlackStar]

Yeah so, a few points i would like to receive for feedback

- Obviously, the 3 goons, it definetly seemed like people were not expecting it, was it more of a failure on my part to not predict players would be used to the mafia having at least 1 PR, or was it something about the setup being too townsided for a 3 goons team, ironically giving them the win?

- Did anyone ever find use in the votes tracker associated to the votecounts? Should i do it again?

- And once again, Gypyx with failing to do flavor, i'd like any tips people have with that cause there's definetly something wrong with how i'm organized (ok and maybe going to the hospital in the middle of modding this game wasn't helping)

I thought it was really town sided, but I guess people not expecting 3 goons kind of balanced things out

[BlackStar]

personally i think it's Good Actually if setups fuck with assumptions like that

mechanical assumptions like that are townplay crutches and towns should be punished for overly relying on them over dayplay

I agree with this

Please kill me before elo from now on!

You mentioned earlier that you felt like people often kept you around until the end of the game because they thought you were likely to screw up. To me you just seemed like someone who was more willing to listen to other people’s opinions than some other players, so I thought you would at least be willing to hear me out. I don’t think that’s a bad quality at all

[BlackStar]

Also, sorry to everyone for being so annoying on my last day lol

[BlackStar]

I thought this was interaction was interesting because you guys didn’t realize that you’d kind of solved the game

My biggest issue right now pertains to the yessiree wagon. If Hu Tao and Titus are both town, then Kay and Enchant are the only potential bussers there.

I made the case against yessiree the day StraightFlush was voted out and immediately voted him again the next day phase. I don’t see how I’d be a potential busser in this case.

[BlackStar]

tbf i was also running into the issue of not really believing it could be either brian or kjq based on play

sorry about the incorrect mechanical advice kjq

It’s okay but I trust your assumptions more than my own uninformed guessing ability anyway. Even if this was a fluke, I’d still trust your over me if I can confirm you’re town lol

If you think someone might be wrong, don't be afraid to let them know why