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I just realised I want to make an alt called Not Voting

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VOTE: snow

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UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao

Boo!

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UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao

i'm very much dissapointed in you Thomith

Trust me I'm disappointed in myself too lol.

Of course it would have been funny if this had actually gone through, but I got cold feet

With that being said, I do want to get some information out of Day 1 that a quick lim probably doesn't get us.

Naerys is probably right that there is a decent chance that the scum might have been hiding on the wagon as it was growing

I mean, a quick day 1 also gives our PRs extremely potent cover, but i totally get where you're coming from

This ^^^

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VOTE: dave
Come on, we can do it this time!

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Geratim hasn't said much but is sheeping wagons.

i can't not sheep if i am just trying to join the longest wagon!

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I still think we should go dave

I could do dave too

Ι don't think that you have accused Dave of anything wrong. Why do you think that Dave's lime is good option?

Personally he feels different than his town games. He feels a bit more nervous here or something.

VOTE: hu toa

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I still think we should go dave

I could do dave too

Ι don't think that you have accused Dave of anything wrong. Why do you think that Dave's lime is good option?

Personally he feels different than his town games. He feels a bit more nervous here or something.

VOTE: hu toa

You were voting Dave, why the change once someone gives reasoning behind the vote on him?

See post 6

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You’re annoying

Yes

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People trying really hard to generation content.

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Yeah, but it isn't useful. It is the ekuivalent of my daughter asking me if I would prefer to be a flower or a tree.

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I think the question was busywork. Firstly the question is just overlying blegh, I don’t agree with Thom but also Oblivion just dipped immediately after wanting a consistent back and forth.

This is a goodnsummation of some of my thoughts. It just pads the game. It doesn't meaningfully help

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The people that unvoted Dave, can I know why?

My last vote was my Random vote from thr start of thr game

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The people that unvoted Dave, can I know why?

My last vote was my Random vote from thr start of thr game

Why am I scum?

Because you made post 247

Don't worry, I'll move it soon

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NAS is a somewhat sus, what little there is. Probably not worth a yeet unless we think being quiet is an actual scumtell for him.

I think being quiet is a towntell for him

They were scum.with me in my.lasy game and were silent then

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It was 2329, check the scum thread. They basically got themselves eliminated early doors when some activity would have let the other scum save them.

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Gera why ignore my question?

I didn't did I?

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Yeah I missed it

ok, glad to have helped

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@Willow why do you think Naerys is scum?

I explained it all already. I'm convinced one of the Mafia spoke against the Snow flashwagon at the beginning. And Naerys is the only one that acknowledged my point when I brought it up, when she tried to dismiss it.

i can't work outwhy you are so sure you have caught scum because of this. like, you have a good chance scum is in your grouping, but because of this i don't buy it.

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Gera why ignore my question?

Pinging to say I think you also missed mine

i didn't?
i went back and checked, and you quoted me in a huge nested post but i didn't see anything directed at me?

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the last 2 pages from Penguin look like they have been told in the scum chat they need to be more active

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Actually I do also remember someone (I think Gera? Might have been dave) say NAS did this before as scum, which added to this a little bit too.

It was me

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2 days remaining. I feel a deadline scramble coming up.

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

any suggestions where the wagon should go instead?

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2 days remaining. I feel a deadline scramble coming up.

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

any suggestions where the wagon should go instead?

Where do

you

think it should go?

No strong opinion, I was just interested who they thought because they clearly thought saving a Vanilla townie was important enough tonsavrifice someone else.

And just claiming VT day 1 in these circumstances doesn't necessarily mean they aren't a good option still.

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I'm not. I'm kinda happy if willow goes if anyone does

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VOTE: notascum

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Sorry for not popping in sooner.
Will look at yesterday wagons at some point to give myself a handle on today

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Checking in.
That is a big hood. I don't think I've ever been in a game with one so large.

Was it any use? Like....I can't see a point of it. I am assuming there is scum in there reporting back (unless scum don't have day talk), so thebhood can't use it to stratergise or anything?

It just seems a pointless waste of mental spaceship?

Was someone really trying to keep it hidden to bait out a private thread investigator?
That seems an epically useless role That I cannotnwork out it's in game use except to confuse a townie.

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Mental spaceship

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Like....I am tempted to just ignore the hood. We have all made The assumption there is scum in there, but i dont think the odds are any better than a Random player in the game so it isn't much use for a scum hunting tactic.

Or am I totally missing something? Some better than me explain it otherwise?

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Like....I am tempted to just ignore the hood. We have all made The assumption there is scum in there, but i dont think the odds are any better than a Random player in the game so it isn't much use for a scum hunting tactic.

Or am I totally missing something? Some better than me explain it otherwise?

I think the odds are much better choosing 1 out of 5 instead of 1 of 8 (if you’re ignoring the hood, 1 of 13 if not)
Unless you’re arguing it’s not guaranteed that scum is in the 5. But everyone with experience so far has said there pretty much has to be (high percentage)
Sure, I highly doubt all scum are contained in the neighborhood so we still have a shot of catching scum outside but I wouldn’t say our odds are “better”.

But also I don’t fall under the “someone better than me” to explain so feel free to ignore.

Assuming there is 1 scum in the hood, that is 1 in 5.
Assuming then 2 scum not in the hood, that is 2 in 10. (Well 9 because I'm not in the hood)

I have no idea what you mean with 1 in 13??

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I'm just going to say right now I hate "towncores/townblocks" in general. Too easy to shield experienced Scum.

unless there is a mechanical reason for it, then this

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I literally brought up the Neighbourhood, then have begun taking steps to solve within the hood today, so to say I'm not focusing on the hood is incorrect.

This is honestly reading like you are concerned that a town core is forming within the hood, and one half of that is suspecting you, so you are trying to break it up.

With two VT going away outside the hood there was no choice but to bring the hood up today.
You ignored the hood before today, again had no choice but look at it.
I don't see how a town-town core can be formed within the hood if noone looks at it. Scum-scum or scum-townie core is much easier.

I

wanted

to bring up the hood yesterday, knowing it likely meant we would sort within the hood yesterday?
When it was decided to keep the hood hidden yesterday to see if someone TMI'd it, why would it make sense to push someone in the hood, forcing the hood to be revealed, when it was discussed that the hood should be left to Day 2, to try and either catch a TMI, or verify a PT Cop - both of these being Titus' suggestions.

who decided this?
i think we all are thinking there is a scum in the hood, and they would have warned their partners about its existence and this would never have happened.
is there another reason someone would have wanted it postponed for a day??

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{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao, Naerys}
{KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
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{PenguinPower}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Thomith}
{Gypyx}

P5.

your read list barely changes. you not got tunneled on gypyx?

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I'm just going to say right now I hate "towncores/townblocks" in general. Too easy to shield experienced Scum.

unless there is a mechanical reason for it, then this

Why?

Could you also explain how 2 people who strongly town read each other is "easy for scum to hide behind"?

because one may not be town and have bamboozled the other. i think it is in the interest of scum to form "town blocks" and cruise through the game

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hmm, not sure what to do with that info except watch titus a little more than normal.
it just seems a cackhanded plan that would never work so why did Titus suggest it?

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i dont think i am on board with you Gypyx in you just lining up a bunch of Hood members and running through them. i don't think that is optimal strategy for the rest of us to trust you so much

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I'm just going to say right now I hate "towncores/townblocks" in general. Too easy to shield experienced Scum.

unless there is a mechanical reason for it, then this

Why?

Could you also explain how 2 people who strongly town read each other is "easy for scum to hide behind"?

because one may not be town and have bamboozled the other. i think it is in the interest of scum to form "town blocks" and cruise through the game

Gypyx has been so obviously been trying to solve the game here and in the hood, that I doubt I'm wrong on this, but I see your point.

if you can see someone else's point then i think i've made it well enough

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i dont think i am on board with you Gypyx in you just lining up a bunch of Hood members and running through them. i don't think that is optimal strategy for the rest of us to trust you so much

i think you're misundersteanding me, i'm not saying that we run through snow / ranger / titus without discussion, this is more of me preassuming that they'll flip scum and how to work on that

you are obviously not forced to trust me but i hope you'll come around to it eventually since that's a read i'm pretty confident in

oh, it very much read like that was what you wanted to happen and we should all just go along with it.

i was not liking that at all.

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{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao}
{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx, Random Nurse}
{Naerys}
{Thomith}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
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Loosely, from the new content; reminder I still need to read pages 6 - current.

So my posts since you've been in the game.put me as most likely scum??
Why?

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Day 1, Titus and snow were voting Dave-slot at certain points (moreso than Thom/Gypyx) and today they aren’t. I’m wondering if they changed their mind or if they’re also just waiting.

I don't like Dave, but I also don't like self-proclaimed Thomith-Gypyx townblock.

This, again

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VOTE: Hu Tao

That seems from out of nowhere. I checked your history and couldn't see where it came from?

Explain?

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your read list barely changes. you not got tunneled on gypyx?

Being tunneled is an accusation often levied against me despite my very philosophy embodying the opposite. Generally, I hold a skeptical eye towards those doing so, as their callout usually carries an agenda; "X is tunneled" is oft synonymous with "X's reads are not to be trusted", and thus 'tunneled' is a charged term inherently carrying a negative connotation that detracts from the value of my contributions.

In this case, I've good reasons from the neighborhood to hold suspicion of Gypyx and Thomith, yet nothing is set in stone. I've already experienced doubts after engaging with Gypyx, as Gypyx's responses to me felt plausibly town. My reads are fluid and subject to change at a moment's notice. Notably, I've gained greater suspicion of you from this comment.

Hmm, I can't really disagree much with stuff you are pulling from thr Hood hat:(

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Ranger, I think Snow is very likely scum. Can't follow that. Nor do I follow your gypyx/Thom reada

Why are you not voting there then?

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It feels like a.lot of bad faith voting going on at the moment.

I just can't work out who

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Sites back, yay!

I cannot deal with Ranger. Endless.posts of read lists give me nothing to work with.


Do they normally post like this??

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Thoughts on geraintm at the moment?

*sips tea*

He's a pretty cool guy

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It feels like a.lot of bad faith voting going on at the moment.

I just can't work out who

This has an air of "don't look at me I'm Towning," and it irks my gut.

Sorry.
I still.cant work it into but glad now I didn't jump on the Ranger wagon

Mh main problem ks everyone seems determined to eliminate in the hood today, but from an odds perspective it just doesn't seem to have a higher probability of hitting scum than either a) shooting outside the good, b) aiming at someone who has been scummy.

I just can't understand why people have such a hard on for it , I honestly don't.

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Gypyx not understanding people's concerns with the Hood 1st policy is annoying and odd. A couple of us have brought it up and they are just refusing to see our point of view.

RE: Ranger - i don't have a reason to doubt the claim. Maybe others do, but not me. Oblivion is worried that they will get a free pass till later in the game, which is true, but it would then give us a really obvious elimination later on which is a huge plus to me.

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I could vote this. I don't really want anyone in the hood atm

Do you just mean currently or like D2 in general?

I don't think any are scum right now

You don't think there are any scum jn the hood?

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I have the sneaking suspicion that should Ranger flip Town I'll be the convenient scapegoat.

Getting that in early are you?

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VOTE: gypyx
I've disliked them for long enough and they just are rubbing me up the wrong way

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I hate broken quotes
Gypyx is the one focused on limming in the hood, nurse

I am almost positive there are scum in the hood.

Same, but it shouldn't be driving the elimination today

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Of course i'm defensive cause i've got it fucking figured out and like people won't listen

Your overfindence is overwhelming to me. I have zero idea how you can be so sure

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I think gypyx is the most town of any of them. I'm kinda suspicious of people saying we HAVE to vote in the hood today

we HAVE to vote in the hood today

Bashes head against wall dot gif

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ok, a little catching up to do.

start here

VOTE: Snow

this vote, combined with them jumping on late yesterday raises concerns. if there was a bus then this is where i think it was, following up with trying to direct day 3 so obviously.

post 1412 is almost like they have set up snow for a while to take the fall today. lycan has also been setting snow up.

(i kinda want to flip snow because it gives so much info about people)

Snow's entry is very defensive.

FWIW this is where I think I am right now:

Lycanfire
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this is so weird, these 3 are locked in a weird death spiral with each other. strongly think there is at least 1 scum in there. just doesn't make sense otherwise, feels like someone has been caught and scum is lashing out in the group

It will only kill Naerys today.

why?

If not the hood, an option can be to look at Naerys-geraintm (both did not vote scum!Dave, but voted town!NAS) and also at Wisp-Naerys conflict dating back to D1 (Wisp looks more town due to his vote into Ranger on D2).
Penguin voted scum!Ranger, so some details on why he is scum might be helpful.

you do know day 1 i will just vote the biggest thread?
yesterday i had no strong view on who was scum or not, certainly i had nothing to indicate Ranger was scum, hence my not voting.

If I was scum why would I swing the momentum back to execute Ranger when it seemed that momentum may have begun picking up elsewhere?

what momentum elsewhere? it was clear Ranger was going yesterday from early on, there was at least 1 scum on their wagon if not both.

It is considering a Mass Claim at this point. We have had 2 nights of actions, it wonders if a third benefits us over forcing claims.

It would like to do this in a Popcorn styling.

i think i am in favour of this, feels like some good claims will trap scum with nowhere else to go. ranger already got done with a bad claim so i dont think scum are good at coming up with good claims between them

We will see. It is most amused you believe you get to dictate today.

Snow is off the table.

I'm not stating I get to dictate the day. In fact I said I'm willing to go outside the hood because I may be tunnelled, I'm just voting my biggest scumread right now.

your snap vote post 1 today certainly gave the mpression you wanted to

i think though VOTE: naerys. the way they jumped off Ranger straight after the claim and gave the impression they did not want to go in thehood. also things like this

Any further thoughts on this yet?

Not fond of the way Titus and gera switched to dave tbh
also kinda dont like Penguin´s position on Wisp, but also i dont like Wisp himself and the way he "suspects" me

On the other side i think dave could be town, he doesnt really feel different from his previous towny games. So i think looking into those, who think dave could be scum is warranted

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Also like

to add onto that massclaim aversion, scum are very obviously afraid of who could be a PR

let's not make their work easier

My thinking was like the last game I played, scum got trapped by the mass claim, their options got narrowed down and the game ended quickly.

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Also like

to add onto that massclaim aversion, scum are very obviously afraid of who could be a PR

let's not make their work easier

My thinking was like the last game I played, scum got trapped by the mass claim, their options got narrowed down and the game ended quickly.

I kinda doubt this the game where that happens

it would also probably be more appropriate to do it Day 4 as like, we are a day late when compared to the mini you're mentionning

I'll bow down to more experienced players on this

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Re: mass claim.

i thought it was a good idea. but if others think it is bad then shut it down.

or if it goes ahead and someone doesn't want to come forward with their role then that is fine too

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I have never considered 5.
I assume 3, with 4 or 2+something after than

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Hmmmm...
Gypyx: Snow is scum. His D1 Dave vote had no chance to trigger Dave's lime and was "distancing".
Snow: this is plainly wrong. I did try to lim Dave and prevent NAS' lime. But for Gypyx' hammer Dave's lime was not impossible. Also, Gypyx' hammer was very similar to Dave' vote into NAS (and Dave's vote put NAS at E-1).
Gypyx: I was busy...
There is smth that I dislike here. Especially if Gypyx keeps saying "Snow scum" and "I am the leader of the town".

i note your vote is on thomith and not gypyx?

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VOTE: Psyche

i dont get this

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I am starting to think a Snow flip will provide a lot of information. They've been prodded and poked at by a ton of people.

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I have much less confidence than you in their flip and how I have got to this stage.

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Sounds like a deal.
VOTE: Snow

this seems the sort of post that someone makes and people flip out and they escape the attention.

VOTE: snow

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I do think Gypyx would be the optimal lim today, and if Gypyx is Scum then Thomith is toast.

Gypyx is town, so it would be a waste of an execution.

Should have time later today after work to catch up on everything.

I dislike this post

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VOTE: gypyx

I think this is more likely to help usbfind scum

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Mod created a neighbourhood of 5, had two of them know each other were town and so the pair of them could go shoot in the rest of the hood with a 1 in 3 chance of getting scum?

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Mod created a neighbourhood of 5, had two of them know each other were town and so the pair of them could go shoot in the rest of the hood with a 1 in 3 chance of getting scum?

So I'm assuming you believe me/gypyx are scum together?

I tend to beleive claims until proven otherwise.
Your.claim won't stand up in game for long if false and you both won't be allowed to live till the end so I think I am OK with you staying alive for now.

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i'll let gera explain

As soon as thr hood was broken to us all, I think we all thought there would be at least 1 scum in the hood. Would just be weird for the game setup to not have 1 scum in there.

Then, we have a pair of townies who can slice through the rest of the hood and catch 1 and maybe 2 scum. That was my thinking. I'm just trying to work out the catch

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i'll let gera explain

As soon as thr hood was broken to us all, I think we all thought there would be at least 1 scum in the hood. Would just be weird for the game setup to not have 1 scum in there.

Then, we have a pair of townies who can slice through the rest of the hood and catch 1 and maybe 2 scum. That was my thinking. I'm just trying to work out the catch

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woah! dave was ranger! i get to see what he's like as scum.

He be dead

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but why is it

scummy

? he doesn't have your pov.

Because when Gypyx flips town, I 100% die next, since I will be confirmed at that point.

Random Nurse is actively working to remove two people who are sure of each other being town from the game, which is benefits scum.

WHO CARES if you die as Town?

Town doesn't GAF about self-preservation, and Informed Town Neighbors is a big pile of nothing when it comes to Town power.

this just in Masons is a useless role

Town-Informed Neighbors.

But now you're clarifying that your role PM says "Mason," Gypyx?

Masons are a group of people who mutually know they're town and have a PT together

Me and Thomith are a group of people who mutually know they're town and have a PT together

the word isn't there but i'm calling it that

You have a private thread with each other?

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I feel we're not experiencing enough of Naerys, Kay, Gera, and Lycan this game.

I thought I was actually being more active in this game than normal.

I was happy to vote within the Snow / gypyx pair because it really felt like flipping one of them would give us a ton of info about the dynamics between a bunch of players. No one has really stood out to me as scummy (I didn't see what everyone else saw in ranger) and so I have been voting with snow and gypyx, but then the mason thing came up and so thaglt isn't likely to happen now and I am back to being confused again

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woah! dave was ranger! i get to see what he's like as scum.

He be dead

Why are you still voting Gypyx?

Laziness

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all of gera's votes are bad
but he's definitely playing differently from that game where he was scum
i want to think he's just learning that coasting is not the mosting

All of then?
I vote day 1 to get it over with as quickly as possible.

Day 2 I don't see what everyone else sees in ranger, but I'm notnprivy to the super secret town block thing going on.

Day 3 I believe I either voted with the super secret townie block, or voted against them because there was a super secret townie block that was just behaving weird as anything.

I don't know how you can say all my votes are bad?

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i'll look later and see if i can see any reaeson to vote between psyche and lycan. i am assuming psyche will go through though, as half the super secret townies are still off the wagon

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Have you played with scum!Titus? Giving up a teammate like Ranger d2 doesn't happen. Also why 3 scum lol.

i have played with scum Titus, she is deep lurker as scum

And you're

not

lurking?

i am and i freely admit that

can you freely explain why you choose to lurk?

its worked out really well for them. i had them as my top scum at one point and voted there but their absence really helped keep them out of people's eye

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looking at psyche.
i think this was my last interaction with them,

all of gera's votes are bad
but he's definitely playing differently from that game where he was scum
i want to think he's just learning that coasting is not the mosting

All of then?
I vote day 1 to get it over with as quickly as possible.

Day 2 I don't see what everyone else sees in ranger, but I'm notnprivy to the super secret town block thing going on.

Day 3 I believe I either voted with the super secret townie block, or voted against them because there was a super secret townie block that was just behaving weird as anything.

I don't know how you can say all my votes are bad?

they didn't respond to it. you cant sit there and say someone's votes are all bad and not reply when they respond.

their last 20 posts or so....i get nothing from it. it is all snippy little fights with mutliple people, and then glad there is at least a competing wagon against them. like, they just tried to get something going with anyone to maybe not get themselves pushed through today. it just doesn't look very towny at all.

Lycan

in my 1479 i pinpointed Lycan as being part of the weird Thomith/Snow/Lycan triangle that was going on, this was before i knew about the Gypyx/Thom thing. lycan jumping along those two to push Snow is maybe odd?

reding their posts, they latched onto Psyche early on and havent let up. no flailing around, just happy that they are going.

overall, VOTE: Psyche seems the much better bet to be scum.

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yeah i hate that you do that day 1 thing but i understand that as NAI for you
even beyond that though all of your votes have probably always been on town, and also not super well motivated
not knowing about ranger's neighbor posts is some kind of excuse, sure, but there are other scum in this game and your votes haven't help find them

but hmmm actually the naerys vote

could

turn out to be prescient good luck out there

Sorry I missed this.
I'll reread later

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2% phone battery this is all you're getting right now

VOTE: geraintm

Looks low effort, can't seem to read my iso and says I jumped on Psyche early. Tries to group me with snow and thomith today has just been trying to start shit. Despite all this he's voting Psyche for not answering a question.

Slots always scum because it had an agenda.

You voted Psyche in like your post 83, you've revoted them a bunch of times. 30 posts or so from you when you haven't changed your view point at all is you being on them early.

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2% phone battery this is all you're getting right now

VOTE: geraintm

Looks low effort, can't seem to read my iso and says I jumped on Psyche early. Tries to group me with snow and thomith today has just been trying to start shit. Despite all this he's voting Psyche for not answering a question.

Slots always scum because it had an agenda.

My post 1479 was an age ago in the game, and at the time before the gypyx/Thom stuff came out it was fair to focus on how there was a weird grouping of people all circling around each other.
Did you bring up that at the time??

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da fuk gypyx
we need to consolidate asap

Psyche is just being town right now methinks

and i just don't like how oblivion has faded into the background while getting away with it because of towny-looking playstyle

if you are town, then it feels like scum have been letting you lead the elimination today and hoping to passively get a death through that won't have their fingerprints on

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A number of points:
1. We have a pair of scums or a pair of towns Thomith-Gypyx.
2. They seem to stop scumreading people once the latter stop conflicting with them. Weird. But this can be their desire to protect each other.
3. So, what to do? One approach is to "test" and lim one of them. May be not worth it.
4. The other is that lim one of Thomith-Gypyx later after we milim towns (query is how many tries we give them). If so, another query is how many power we give them in directing a lime (since they will be responsible for a mislim/s).
5. In the scenario where Thomith-Gypyx are town, I would probably focus on Naerys.

they surely know they wont be allowed to survive too long and will be pushed out by us before it gets too close to the end.

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yeah i hate that you do that day 1 thing but i understand that as NAI for you
even beyond that though all of your votes have probably always been on town, and also not super well motivated
not knowing about ranger's neighbor posts is some kind of excuse, sure, but there are other scum in this game and your votes haven't help find them

but hmmm actually the naerys vote

could

turn out to be prescient good luck out there

Sorry I missed this.
I'll reread later

ok, ignoring the bit about my interaction with you that you did reply to (i brought it up because i needed to remind mysel what i thought about you previously)
(not looking at every posst)

2205- defeatist post
2201 - wants now to sheep Gypys.thom

2194 - snips at me for my read on lycan being poor and how i will look bad after they flip (though there would be 5 other people on the same wagon, wont they all look equally bad?)

2188 - zero content interaction with Kay and Naerys

219 - defeatist post
2175 - very deafeatist post

2170 - snippy

2168 - snippy

2156 - frustrated post

2148 - very defeatist post

so i stand by my view that your last series of posts are snippy. you just have the vibe of someone who has relaced in to a scum slot and cannot change the narrative. coupled with scum going down yesterday i wouldnt blame you.


i note in your 2194 you don't actually bother to dispute my read on you

[geraintm]

kinda weird to me how many players can't appreciate how townlocked gypyx/thom should be rn

at very worst the hypothetical that they are a team should only be taken seriously if we get to lylo or something with neither another scumlim nor one of their deaths

It would be stupid of scum to tie themselves together like that so yeah i think gypyx and thom are town

It is certainly my assumption until proved otherwise.

[geraintm]

i can't bother atm to check if it's a total misrep but even if it weren't, nothing in gera's pbpa identifies scummy behaviors. rationale for scumreading me is still extremely leaky, particularly for someone now doubling down on it.

I was trying to respond to your 2194, where you said much of my post was bad but also that you had replied to my question.

So I took that on board and went back and reread your posts and tried to explain jn greater detail why when comparing the two options (that were on the table at the time) you came off worse.
You ignored the 1st time what I said about you (apart from the question) and this second time you have just hand waved what I said away again as none of it is scummy. Well, sorry, to me it doesn't look good.

[geraintm]

So, Naerys was trying to save Dave-Ranger, at the same time refusing to answer legit questions.
Lycan and Pshyche gave crucial votes into Ranger and should not be considered today.
VOTE: Naerys

there seems a bunch of sense going into this vote.

VOTE: snow

not great

2.08

Votecount 2.08

Ranger (4): Hu Tao, Random Nurse, Thomith, Gypyx
Naerys (3): Ranger, Titus, PenguinPower
Titus (1): Naerys
Thomith (1): Snow2697

Not Voting (4): Oblivion, geraintm, KayJayQueue, Lycanfire

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-06 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here. Also POST 1000 IS MINE!!!

and here i am the counter wagon
with ranger leading it
DO YOU STILL THINK WE ARE ALIGNED?

this is both making sense and also what i would expect a competent scum to do.

Naerys' arguments make about as much sense as Ranger's did. It notes they popped in only to defend themselves and are now scrambling to find alternative targets.

Naerys needs to be the elimination for today. Bottom line.

more sense

I know this won’t do me much good but I really think this is town!Naerys. So much of her frustration feels genuine and I’d be just as annoyed if I just got pushed out for being wrong (and I might be next, it seems). Maybe it’s because I’ve sort of been in the same boat as her much of the game, or at least adjacent, but I feel like I get where she’s coming from. She was wrong, but she wasn’t the only person who was wrong and it seems weird to not be considering anyone that was on the wagon to be bussing.

one day Kay will take a possition

will continue to catch up now

[geraintm]

2.15

Votecount 2.15

Ranger (3): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion
Hu Tao (3): Ranger, Naerys, PenguinPower
Snow2697 (2): Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue, Hu Tao
Thomith (1): Snow2697

Not Voting (2): geraintm, Lycanfire

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-07 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

Ranger's claim is so many levels of BS.

Does no one except it remember when Ranger bragged about how surprised it woupd be about her claim and then claimed the least surprising most obvious bait claim in the world that didn't match that tone at all?

What is going to happen is that Ranger will live today if you let her, live tomorrow on promise of shooting someone but you will never get that shot. Either they will claim to be roleblocked or shoot a townie and then if you go "okay time to sort ranger" it is MELO and you won't have space to do it.

Now is the time to murder this suspicious player with a suspicious claim. Town does not need a N3 Vig or a N4 Jailkeeper, and more likely it is a scum fake claim.

We should not be running up other players to claim to feed the scum more info on our roles.

Murder Ranger with it, they will flip scum.

would have to be some pretty vigorous bussing! i don't believe it at this point

i like this post

Why gera and snow arent suspected when they werent up for ranger lim either is the question

i had no reason to scum read Ranger. a lot of it was coming from Hood stuff that i was not privy too, i was not going to vote them

[geraintm]

VOTE: naerys
Bye

?!

[geraintm]

i started off my read through, but then realised there were like 8 more pages so i was rushing and then i came to that vote.
so all wasted

[geraintm]

popping in quickly.
will look at the votes tomorrow.

no objetion to the mass claim. i was up for it when it was first mooted.

[geraintm]

VT

now geraintm claims

Vt. Sorry was asleep

[geraintm]

Oh, I thought I bad been holding this up fornhours

[geraintm]

Do I get to pick next?

Lycan?

[geraintm]

all this talk of setup seems a distraction, it doesn't change that we have to find scum or am i missing something?

[geraintm]

it's actually really useful for weighing possibilities like gypyx/thomith being in a team with ranger

From the claims just doesn't seem viable? Town has basically nothing to respond to a United scum team. Or am I misunderstanding?

[geraintm]

it's actually really useful for weighing possibilities like gypyx/thomith being in a team with ranger

Really feels like you are wasting time

[geraintm]

1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

NotAScum (EXECUTED): Thomith, Titus, PenguinPower,

Naerys

, geraintm, Random Nurse,

davesaz

, Gypyx
davesaz (4):

Hu Tao

,

Snow2697

, Little Will o' Wisp,

NotAScum

Little Will o' Wisp (1): KayJayQueue
PenguinPower (1):

JacksonVirgo

Not Voting (1): Oblivion

With 15 players alive, it took 8 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

2.FINAL

Votecount 2.FINAL

Ranger (EXECUTED): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion, PenguinPower, Lycanfire, Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue,

Hu Tao

Gypyx (2): geraintm,

Naerys

Hu Tao (1):

Ranger

Thomith (1):

Snow2697

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

3.FINAL

Votecount 3.FINAL

Naerys (EXECUTED):

Snow2697

, Lycanfire, Oblivion, Psyche,

Naerys

, Random Nurse
Oblivion (2): Gypyx, KayJayQueue
Psyche (2): Titus, geraintm

Not Voting (1): Thomith

With 11 players alive, it took 6 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

Well, the 4 uncoloured players on the NAerys wagon are a half decent place to start.

Lycanfire - voted for ranger D1 and D2
Oblivion - not voting Day 1, then on Ranger Day 2
Psyche - on NotaScum day 1, then Ranger day 2
Random Nurse - on notascum day 1, then ranger day 2

some quick thoughts back .

VOTE: Naerys

I'll take the bait.

VOTE: Naerys

Naerys being utterly silent while other people go under a microscope only to reappear again when they come back under pressure is not a townie mentality. It still worries about Jay but Naerys is in its mind the one who tried to save Ranger.

these followed the Snow vote on Naerys and look bad

Oblivion's posting tone throughout the game is off. just negative and downbeat most of the time

Lycan was against the massclaim for a while before coming around - was this due to chat in the scrum thread?

im not doing this justice as i am half watching the rugby

[geraintm]

Is it just the three of you left in three Hood?

[geraintm]

If they are traitor and you are scum, awesome for them.
If they are traitor and you are town, just a joke.

If all town, no harm?

[geraintm]

back to thoughts.

Random Nurse looks good with the push on ranger day 2. like, i don't see why they would have started there and then kept it there without moving off when the slot gave the oppotunity to when Ranger really started pushing back. this just seems an easy slot to clear and i don't think i will spend much more time worrying about them until it gets much later in the game

[geraintm]

psyche

so, i did go over them yesterday, and i did make a mistake about their not answering a post i made at them.

their last 20 posts or so....i get nothing from it. it is all snippy little fights with mutliple people, and then glad there is at least a competing wagon against them. like, they just tried to get something going with anyone to maybe not get themselves pushed through today. it just doesn't look very towny at all.

that was what i wrote then, and after that we had some more back and forth. i expanded on my thoughts in 2228 and i think they kinda left me alone. i think we became a bit more in sync with our views on the game as the day went on.

i think Oblivion and Lycan look worse, Random Nurse looks fine, Psyche not as bad. But i think the odds of hitting scum among those 2 (+1) are pretty good and i'll write more on Oblivion and Lycan tomorrow and see what has occured in case either of them has done stuff that i should have remembered that was especially townie.

[geraintm]

Enchant, are you actually a Traitor?

If Enchant flips Traitor then the other two must be flipped.

does this mean you want ot eliminate Enchant?

it's actually really useful for weighing possibilities like gypyx/thomith being in a team with ranger

This take is awful?

what am i missing?
how is it so awful?

Our game is 10 vt, vengeful, ~~~neighbour~~~, triple scum neighbour?

This has an overly optimistic view of neighbours being protown and in this setup there's a great chance of pocketing the vengeful neighbour and using it against town. Even with that optimism the setup seems busted to me. It relies on fog of war to stop scum from freely killing whoever they heck they want.

so, if the game is 12 vs 3, i think it means scum can afford to lose 1 player in the first 5 days to get into the Mis Elim and win situation.
Is that considerd fair and realistic? with the pair of known townies and the vengeful townie, is it likely that 3 scum can last that long?

11 vs 4, i think they get to the Mis Elim and win on day 5 with losing only 1 scum.

sorry, just trying to do my homework and understand the game better

Why is random nurse fine

to me, their push on ranger on day 2 just doesn't feel like something scum would do. if they are scum, then this is the sort of thing that beats me in a game and i hold my hands up to it.

still feel reasonably convinced that the solve is best narrowed to

geraintm
KayJayQueue
Enchant

am convinced by the towncase for all the others, maybe most controversially lycanfire and oblivion

and i'm probably still inclined to take kayjayqueue out of this pool, but i can't say i have strong reasons for it
what i want to look for atm are any details that could convince me that this poe is wrong
if not, i'll focus on presenting why it's probably right

i'm still never quiet sure what your case on me is, apart from my posts don't meet your standards.
i've never claimed to be a good player, and i am doing the best i can with what i've got. i normally rely on scum being boxed in as the game goes on (which is why i liked the idea of a massclaim when it was first proposed) but this game, where we don't seem to be getting any info from night actions at all is really hard for me.

is maybe harsh to put it this way, but none of gera's votes or posts have meaningfully advanced the game and all of his votes have been away from scum

how do you expect me to push the game on? i felt day 2 i was trying to be more active than i normally am, and then the two townies came forward and they became the leaders of what direction town should be heading in. i cna't push if i don't have anything to push with?

i thinkk a big difference is that you're not a busybody in the same way
but we'll see if it's a big difference

do you just hate the way i play? is that the main issue between us?

This game is depressing.

Gut is telling me it's Thomith/Gypyx but no one really wants to listen.

so you don't want Enchant?

Snow liked Titus

Can't see geraint's opinion on Titus. Doesn't have one it seems.

i just looked, i had barely any interactions with them

Argueing with town leaders frustrating.

I guess i just jump for counter, hehe haha.

VOTE: Gera

oh....

Argueing with town leaders frustrating.

I guess i just jump for counter, hehe haha.

VOTE: Gera

UNVOTE:

unsettling

oh?

I wasn't a fan of how geraint randomly came into the thread yesterday and declared there was this important decision to make between Psyche and myself, and hinted twice that Psyche was imminently getting eliminated. Basic facts about Psyche v me were wrong. Lazyscum may have detected that the thread's intensity went up, and a lot of it is because we hit a slow patch and I went aggro to advance the game.

this my post 2189?
that was me popping into thread quickly, being aware stuff was going on and saying i would be back later - it was nearly 24 hours before i was able to post and when i posted i think the two wagons were pretty close but the Two Townies were split or not voiting or something and i thought they would agree on which way to go

KAy's post 2760 seems opportunistic waiting

I need to go and look at Enchant, because i cannot fathom their play today at all.

[geraintm]

set up spec isn't my bag at all. im still trying to work out if we are playing vs 3 or 4 and so if the showdown with gypyx & thom needs to happen sooner rather than later. i think they need to be tested at some point - i don't especially want to get into the end game vs them.

my gut says they are town, i've been assuming they are town, but i don't think we lose too much in killing one at some point.

they have to recognise that the rest of us have to doubt them and cannot give them a free pass the rest of the game.

I think they are not killed because they are threat for town, not mafia.

im not sure what this means - threat to town? you think they are straight up scum??

[geraintm]

think gera comes out of this exchange looking the scummiest again...

Low key thought the same.

Random Nurse I think is potentially town due to how he is voting.
Oblivion seems to be suspicious of us in a way that it feels like it is genuinely trying to solve us.
Gera kind of hopped on once the pressure was on us (I don't remember if gera has expressed doubt of the claim before today)

Mod created a neighbourhood of 5, had two of them know each other were town and so the pair of them could go shoot in the rest of the hood with a 1 in 3 chance of getting scum?

So I'm assuming you believe me/gypyx are scum together?

I tend to beleive claims until proven otherwise.
Your.claim won't stand up in game for long if false and you both won't be allowed to live till the end so I think I am OK with you staying alive for now.

I haven't doubted your claim, I am pretty sure I have said I trust it, but I said right at the start that I thought you two wouldn't be allowed to both stay alive right until the end of the game.

[geraintm]

VOTE: dave
Come on, we can do it this time!

btw gera could you explain what the associated text means with that post? my read on you depends on it

i think it was referring back to this

UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao

Boo!

where we had run up someone to near elimination and i was hoping we could do it this time, save having a 26 page day 1 and instead have a 5 page day 1

[geraintm]

Why is random nurse fine

to me, their push on ranger on day 2 just doesn't feel like something scum would do. if they are scum, then this is the sort of thing that beats me in a game and i hold my hands up to it.

Hey can you show me what push they made? I'm having trouble finding it.

2.FINAL

Votecount 2.FINAL

Ranger (EXECUTED): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion, PenguinPower, Lycanfire, Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue, Hu Tao
Gypyx (2): geraintm, Naerys
Hu Tao (1): Ranger
Thomith (1): Snow2697

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

I looked at the vote, and they had the oldest vote on them. I find it hard to believe if they were scum they wouldn't have found an opportunity at some point to get off the wagon and somewhere safer

[geraintm]

If you look at his posts they is doing very little to push Ranger, especially after replacement.

How do you feel about how they interacted with the only flipped scum?

I'll look tomorrow

[geraintm]

If you look at his posts they is doing very little to push Ranger, especially after replacement.

How do you feel about how they interacted with the only flipped scum?

I'll look tomorrow

VOTE: Naerys
can u just vote me out i dont wanna read Rangers posts anymore

Can you just vote ranger

I suspect there's a very specific reason why you want us to vote Ranger?

If Ranger turns out to be Town I'll be coming for you.

VOTE: Ranger

so, that was their vote.

I have the sneaking suspicion that should Ranger flip Town I'll be the convenient scapegoat.

they later posted this after the claim from Ranger
so yeah, there wasn't much of a push at all.
but i stand by thinking they are town with that vote on ranger. if they were both scum, i would have expected their vote to come off (even just as a response to the claim with an UNVOTE: saying they are going to reevaluate everything) but they made no effort to.

[geraintm]

I think for me to get anywhere on KJQ I'd have to read a scumgame of hers. I don't feel like there's anything concrete about her play here.

Still rereading the game.

She was scum with me in their last game.

They feel less confident than then now is about all I've got on them, but they are really hard for me to get a handle on.

[geraintm]

I felt similarly as demotivated as oblivion yesterday when Gypyx-Thomith took over the game.

they have thrown the whole game for me. i got into a fight with them, then they claimed and i felt bad for not having been clued up into what i was meant to know. then i felt later i got push back on that i don't want to let them live right into the end game so there is that too.

now psyche is scum reading me because of stuff that i havent done but someone else has so i have zero way of interacting with that except to go Nu huh! and i am never going to be able to out post them to win an argument with them so that leaves me cold too.

i've basically got 3 players i don't want to go near today, which leaves 5.
oblivion, kay, enchant, lycan and psyche.

[geraintm]

viewtopic.php?p=14163175&f=2&t=92440&us ... #p14163175

this is where in my iso i start digging into gera. 2702 goes into the most depth.
gist is that he makes a lot of noise about sorting, a lot of complaining about others' approaches/heuristics, saying this or that is useless, unsubstantial, fluff --
but does little real sorting on his own and producing wallposts that only look substantial if you're not paying attention
all this makes all the talk look pretty hollow and performative in retrospect. i used the word "busybody" when you and i were discussing this earlier.

maybe most striking gap is in his positioning around ranger on D2
he never gets around to expressing even one read on the slot or on others' reads on the slot.
the closest he gets is expressed dissatisfaction with the idea of limming inside the game's neighborhood.
his excuse D3 was that he was always null about ranger (and everyone?), but we don't even see any effort to clarify his read on ranger that day.
mostly just drifting and drifting -- but performed as if not that.

lots of slots have drifted this game and avoided active work to clarify nullreads but gera's has signs of disingenuousness to it

but im like this every game? i havent and never have generated reads on people when i have nothing to go on. i recognised ages ago that i am not great at this game, i kept getting into end games and being the mis vote that lost games for town.
i worked out that there are much better players than me in every game i am in and i need to follow much more what they are doing. i don't jump the gun until i see enough info and facts that come through the game.

it is just infuriating that in this game, there is no info coming through. set up appears to have town having zero night actions! i don't think ive ever been in a game like that before! i kinda assume that town after like 3 days of half decent play can trap scum through claims. scum just end up nowhere to go. why i wanted a massclaim early on.

so yeah you are right, i never get round to expressing a read in this game. but i don't have anything to do that with. i said early on that i thought killing in the hood a second time was bad maths,that is about as far as i have gone.

i normally hope to just keep being as townie as i can as the game goes on and hope that at some point scum kill me.

[geraintm]

(also the shift from "i'm voting for the top wagon no matter what" to "woah there partner i don't have a specific read on this slot but we should be looking off-neighborhood" still gives me whiplash, i'm typing this to remind myself of that for later)

Longest wagon is day 1 to get it over with as quickly as possible. I don't don't after

[geraintm]

Pretty strong word choice

t is just infuriating that in this game, there is no info coming through. set up appears to have town having zero night actions!

To be consumed with fury?

Mhsmith got me on faking anger before as scum.

More opinions please.

What is wrong with the word infuriating?
.it is much easier to catch scum if you know...we can actually catch them. I still think the 1st scum was caught through luck, and if we hadn't then we would be sitting here with no agency to the game at all.

[geraintm]

I would rather no kill day 1 than anything.
I think the only people who control day 1 are scum, and town is pushed into awkward positions running up people and getting claims. I have in thr past been killed day 1 because I refused to claim.

So I now just vote longest wagon in the hope of it ending as quickly as possible with as little collateral damage as we can.

Then....then night happens and town can (usually) start hunting from a non blind position.

[geraintm]

ok. was d2 a non blind position?

Going into any game, you would expect town to have some night results to play with

[geraintm]

ok. was d2 a non blind position?

Going into any game, you would expect town to have some night results to play with

[geraintm]

Geraintm, thoughts on joining a Lycan wagon?

I'm out today, when I have time I will look at my pool and see who looks worst

[geraintm]

sorry been ot of the day.

find three of the people i have sus are voting me, strongly suspect some town are being manipulated into my elimination

VOTE: lycan as a place holder till later because someone who has been pushing me is scum

[geraintm]

Like....I am tempted to just ignore the hood. We have all made The assumption there is scum in there, but i dont think the odds are any better than a Random player in the game so it isn't much use for a scum hunting tactic.

Or am I totally missing something? Some better than me explain it otherwise?

I think the odds are much better choosing 1 out of 5 instead of 1 of 8 (if you’re ignoring the hood, 1 of 13 if not)
Unless you’re arguing it’s not guaranteed that scum is in the 5. But everyone with experience so far has said there pretty much has to be (high percentage)
Sure, I highly doubt all scum are contained in the neighborhood so we still have a shot of catching scum outside but I wouldn’t say our odds are “better”.

But also I don’t fall under the “someone better than me” to explain so feel free to ignore.

Assuming there is 1 scum in the hood, that is 1 in 5.
Assuming then 2 scum not in the hood, that is 2 in 10. (Well 9 because I'm not in the hood)

I have no idea what you mean with 1 in 13??

How did he know this early d2

Because every game I play has 3 scum in it, and I will ebelieve that unless proved otherwise.

[geraintm]

I think this is the elimination we should have had yesterday.

Why? What on earth have I done yesterday or today that makes me scum?

[geraintm]

ok, a little catching up to do.

start here

VOTE: Snow

this vote, combined with them jumping on late yesterday raises concerns. if there was a bus then this is where i think it was, following up with trying to direct day 3 so obviously.

post 1412 is almost like they have set up snow for a while to take the fall today. lycan has also been setting snow up.

(i kinda want to flip snow because it gives so much info about people)

Snow's entry is very defensive.

FWIW this is where I think I am right now:

Lycanfire
Snow2697

[/b]

this is so weird, these 3 are locked in a weird death spiral with each other. strongly think there is at least 1 scum in there. just doesn't make sense otherwise, feels like someone has been caught and scum is lashing out in the group

It will only kill Naerys today.

why?

If not the hood, an option can be to look at Naerys-geraintm (both did not vote scum!Dave, but voted town!NAS) and also at Wisp-Naerys conflict dating back to D1 (Wisp looks more town due to his vote into Ranger on D2).
Penguin voted scum!Ranger, so some details on why he is scum might be helpful.

you do know day 1 i will just vote the biggest thread?
yesterday i had no strong view on who was scum or not, certainly i had nothing to indicate Ranger was scum, hence my not voting.

If I was scum why would I swing the momentum back to execute Ranger when it seemed that momentum may have begun picking up elsewhere?

what momentum elsewhere? it was clear Ranger was going yesterday from early on, there was at least 1 scum on their wagon if not both.

It is considering a Mass Claim at this point. We have had 2 nights of actions, it wonders if a third benefits us over forcing claims.

It would like to do this in a Popcorn styling.

i think i am in favour of this, feels like some good claims will trap scum with nowhere else to go. ranger already got done with a bad claim so i dont think scum are good at coming up with good claims between them

We will see. It is most amused you believe you get to dictate today.

Snow is off the table.

I'm not stating I get to dictate the day. In fact I said I'm willing to go outside the hood because I may be tunnelled, I'm just voting my biggest scumread right now.

your snap vote post 1 today certainly gave the mpression you wanted to

i think though VOTE: naerys. the way they jumped off Ranger straight after the claim and gave the impression they did not want to go in thehood. also things like this

Any further thoughts on this yet?

Not fond of the way Titus and gera switched to dave tbh
also kinda dont like Penguin´s position on Wisp, but also i dont like Wisp himself and the way he "suspects" me

On the other side i think dave could be town, he doesnt really feel different from his previous towny games. So i think looking into those, who think dave could be scum is warranted

this post is poo

Like why? This is no different to Psyche jusylt wanting to run me up because my posting style and competence doesn't match up with what they expect

[geraintm]

can we change topics?
why do you think geraintm is scum?
i'll assume it's not because my case on him is so good

non-ranger voter. no charisma. checks the box of teammate that didn't save ranger when ranger wanted to live. attitude seems fakeable, poe is way too large. went contrarian on our asses yesterday in the same vein as random nurse. didn't like how he made you v me yesterday a binary foregone conclusion. I think ranger could have tried to fake sort him better, but she obviously didn't care because they were partners. he also randomly shifted multiple spots for no reason at all in her tierlists.

If I was partnered with ranger, wouldn't I have been more active in trying to save them? I would have done something to Tey and keep them around rather than dithering. I'm obvious as scum because I panic and vote quickly and often to further my aims, but yoy are saying I did none of that and so I'm scum?

[geraintm]

rn's paranoid style seems cleanly town to me

i had some more concrete examples somewhere, but they are mostly just wild thoughts that i keep feeling like a scum wincon would suppress

Nurse doesn't know any better, so hurls paranoid thoughts around everywhere.

I don't know better, so I stay stum and you dislike it. Next game with you I'll throw out names much quicker with little to back it up and you'll like me much mkre

[geraintm]

2.17

Votecount 2.17

Ranger (E-2): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion, PenguinPower, Lycanfire
Snow2697 (2): Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue, Hu Tao
Gypyx (2): geraintm, Naerys
Hu Tao (1): Ranger
Thomith (1): Snow2697

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-07 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

It took me until the 17th vote count to place a vote day 2. I believe ranger had been the leading wagon that entire time, and people have me down as partnered with them?
Like....I'm not great at this but give me some credit in that I would have done something to generate a wagon away from my partner? It just doesn't compute to me. I often go on votes as definitive actions you can mark as players choices, but yoy can look at non votes too

[geraintm]

2.15

Votecount 2.15

Ranger (3): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion
Hu Tao (3): Ranger, Naerys, PenguinPower
Snow2697 (2): Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue, Hu Tao
Thomith (1): Snow2697

Not Voting (2): geraintm, Lycanfire

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-07 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

This would have been a great point for me to decide Hu Toa was scum and push that wagon along and get momentum going, but I didn't.

[geraintm]

btw gera props for snowing me ! You really got me good there

about the only thing i did well then.

i hated this game, i felt like i had no agency as scum, everything just sorta flowed and town only needed to pay attention to the voting to get there. once we got behind, we couldnt come back.

rolling scum with Kay though was just !! and a cosmic joke