Open 909 | A Newbie Game | Game Over

[JacksonVirgo]

Assuming you're being genuine here. I think the only world that really fucks you is if I exactly tracked purple. Which is hilariously what I did. I was tossing up between you and purple and decided purple was better overall.

[JacksonVirgo]

Zach does look bad for jumping on this when he did. If this is green, it's probably him

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM/Flush are likely town. Kay is town. You're dead. I'm dead. Purple is conftown.

It's just zach here

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't blame you for the play, I've fake-claimed many times in my day

[JacksonVirgo]

as town?

Mhm

[JacksonVirgo]

as town?

Mhm

ah ok that makes me feel a bit better

sorry you efforted that massive case for nothing, i hope we still win, you guys deserve it

It was also used to be more clear about my HEM town-read and also sorta clear flush from my suspicions so it's not completely useless

[JacksonVirgo]

Jack what do I do after you die tonight?

Win the game for me

[JacksonVirgo]

Time to play some Factorio

[JacksonVirgo]

Tracker clear on kjq

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM, are you nuts?

[JacksonVirgo]

In what world does tracker not get shot here? It was likely a misplay or they assumed I’d do what I did and spat out a random check on someone.

We were both clears (purple and myself), I can make an extra clear. I die here nmw, doesn’t matter what my reads are.

VOTE: zach

[JacksonVirgo]

Not being confident enough to consider Purple a fn over a doc is also an option as to why this NK happened, which coincidentally only comes from zach imo

[JacksonVirgo]

I think you’re massively discounting Kay as a player in that post as well, do you genuinely feel Kay is the type to slap down a vote immediately in elo just cuz? That feels awfully rude to assume.

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM do you think this night kill comes from anybody that understood the gamestate? I don’t think my personal reads has anything to do with it as a clear is still a clear and can almost be a game decider.

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM do you think this night kill comes from anybody that understood the gamestate? I don’t think my personal reads has anything to do with it as a clear is still a clear and can almost be a game decider.

This goes for anyone actually

[JacksonVirgo]

Chances were I'd check Zach. The prime elim candidate based on EoD2. Why would scum ever want that cleared?

[JacksonVirgo]

I did lie about the KJQ track, I ended up tracking you HEM but thunderdoming her is silly can you please just talk things out with me. I am not okay with either of you out

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think it's reasonable to assume scum killed with no thinking at all. I also don't think scum killed purple because they were okay with who I could theoretically check.

[JacksonVirgo]

thank you

not kidding, i was in a massive crisis over the night. in my head, this is an instaloss if i don't advocate for my own elimination before ELo. being cleared is a massive morale booster.

I figured if I were to be left alive, I should be checking someone who I otherwise would not be checking

[JacksonVirgo]

I think people are smart in general too, and I don't really think the kill was a goof. scum is someone who thought that keeping you here with a cleared slot is more valuable than killing you overnight. this is someone confident they wouldn't be checked, or desperate enough that this was their only play they had.

Scum needs two eliminations to win. There are four towns left alive. Leaving me alive clears half of those. Is that really worth it?

What benefit does keeping me alive bring?

[JacksonVirgo]

The benefit I see are that my reads are so off-base that it's going to benefit the wolves, but chances are that I track the person I scum-read here so I feel that's unreasonable. I don't see anything else

[JacksonVirgo]

Purple is a blank slate almost. I'm a much more active voice. I don't understand it if it wasn't mechanical safety (aka hitting a protected JV will end up losing the game for wolves)

[JacksonVirgo]

Open my eyes on this, please

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not ruling anybody out except you at this point. I just want to talk through the assumptions of the kills because if I'm right, it rules out Flush imo and leaves two elims of zach/kay for the win.

[JacksonVirgo]

Right, if it was zach they'd have to hit me and hope for the best

[JacksonVirgo]

Right, if it was zach they'd have to hit me and hope for the best

Spoiler: animated gif

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

[JacksonVirgo]

You have telegraphed that you will be checking zach last night, so they must be comfortable with a pool of {KJQ, StrangeFlush, HEM}. In this pool, who wins?

This may seem like a dumb question (I will answer yours in a bit), when reading my theory on what scum!ketchup was doing with the claim. What was your thoughts? If you can remember

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you feel that logic was strong? Like my theory that scum!ketchup was doing the god strat I outlined specifically

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm questioning whether Flush's reaction was unnatural

[JacksonVirgo]

Good play undermined by rand... now I feel kinda bad for you

Vote stays where it is tho

I'm still baffled by it but maybe that's my wiki-reading brain being too rigid

Also this convo is fun but where's dann lol

These two posts look bad to me, can you see if you agree? You want Kay while I don't, we can try to balance each other out here.

"vote stays where it is" feels like they're not fully in the town mindset of thinking what they did was scummy, I don't know how to word this thought properly.

[JacksonVirgo]

Flush do you have a towngame on this site?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I only really like people really close to me calling me Jack. Jackson or JV's fine though
Thank you

[JacksonVirgo]

Unfortunate, cuz I feel you're really trying to pocket me and felt that way for a while

[JacksonVirgo]

Finally I get to tell Jackson the same BS my parents keep telling me for some reason

You're so good at writing wallposts man, you should be a lawyer!

(ultimately true, nice job JV)

Posts like these (there are more but I'm lazy) I feel have been a consistent thing for you I wanted to check if it was a consistent thing you do as town

[JacksonVirgo]

Flush/Kay

Can you reasonably rule out Zach here from your pov's given the logic HEM and I spoke about?

[JacksonVirgo]

No. My interpretation of the night doesn't rule zach out either, as I've said

Can you elaborate on this?

[JacksonVirgo]

You say you've said it, but I don't remember that

[JacksonVirgo]

I do think it's Flush here (sorry bro)

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think Zach has the freedom to attack anybody except me last night as traditionally (and very clearly I was going to) I would 100% have checked him and that would be game over otherwise.

[JacksonVirgo]

Even if he thought there was a chance for a doc.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can you not apply that same logic to Kay? I find it odd that you'd just brush off HEM's concerns about her pocketing you and just look at me instead.

The logic about the kill? That doesn’t apply to anybody except Zach

[JacksonVirgo]

I really think Kay is town here, I’m probably only comfortable with Flush here. I’ve scumread them throughout the game, I feel like the reasons to tr the others are too strong to doubt outside of elo.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Flush

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m not SRing you because rule 6

[JacksonVirgo]

I really think Kay is town here

i think this day is just really determining if zach can be ruled out, because if we can line up SF and KJQ in any order then we win.

Im genuinely pretty confident Zach is cleared here. I asked kay/flush that question because scum NEEDS zach in the pool. Kays response to them staying as an option is fine, flushs seems off. I can explain later I’m barely keeping my eyes open

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

Sure

[JacksonVirgo]

Jack can you go through again why the most likely option for leaving you alive is that it’s not Zach? I don’t know if I’m fully following this but I want to.

I expressed a strong TR on hem and yourself. I said to Ketchup that my logic cleared flush too and was clear that I was going to be focusing on zach tomorrow. As a tracker that’s a clear threat to zach in particular.

In a zach!scum world, they’d be forced to kill me as otherwise I would win the game for town by tracking him to the kill. He couldn’t risk a doctor existing, it did not matter he would be forced to kill me. He would have no real other options as if I live with a track on him, he’s gone

[JacksonVirgo]

Therefore me not dying here clears Zach

[JacksonVirgo]

took a shower before bed after a long day of work. still, i can see both as possible. and i have not decided on ruling out zach. I'm going to articulate all my points for or against each slot and treat this as ELo where I can bounce off a confirmed town. can we do that JV? i think that's the best way to play this.

Sure can, I’ll work on doing this within the next few days

[JacksonVirgo]

Therefore me not dying here clears Zach

Okay question then, if we lim flush and he’s town, you’re saying you’d then believe it was me? (let’s pretend you’re not dead for this thought experiment even though you probably will be)

Inherently, yeah I would but I don’t think Flush flips town and also I would still scrap all preconceptions and read you and zach as a clean slate as best as possible. ELO gaminggg babyyyyy

[JacksonVirgo]

And there’s 0% possibility that flush is town and Zach just made the wrong decision?

Of course not but I don’t think I want to argue that the scum goofed as an argument to eliminate someone today. I’m deciding between you and flush

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m under the assumption that their rash behaviour was because they felt at risk of elimination themselves. I’m sure they’ll give the game a solid look and not rush into shit

[JacksonVirgo]

Insulting someone’s intelligence as an argument sure is fun huh?

[JacksonVirgo]

You’re not even listening to the argument I’m saying and deciding to insult ME.

Piss off

[JacksonVirgo]

i'm willing to dismiss the doctor idea entirely, as it's really obvious to anyone that Purple was FN

I'm re-reading the thread now as we speak.

I agree with you, I don't think it's reasonable to assume scum had doubts that Purple was the FN.

My assumptions about the night kill are:
1. It was a reasonable expectation that I was not going to be tracking the final wolf
2. The wolf felt that zach being cleared was worth keeping me alive

I think that sums all my assumptions up, I'll append to this if I think of another.

Given both assumptions (even in isolation), I feel like Zach is cleared outright. I feel it's incredibly unreasonable to expect scum!zach to not shoot me here, even if they had the lingering threat of a doctor. They couldn't risk that, if I was left alive and was tracking them. They'd be dead if they didn't kill me, therefore the chance of a doctor is meaningless.

I feel it was reasonable to expect I wasn't going to be tracking anybody outside of literally just zach, so that assumption only clears zach. The second assumption lands into my reads, which I know my reads but I am not 100% what people thought my reads were. I feel given a clear on Zach, where does everyone think I was going to be pushing? That's more important than who I actually would

[JacksonVirgo]

Jack

Spoiler: animated gif

[JacksonVirgo]

monkey see monkey do

Flawless, can't argue with this

[JacksonVirgo]

Why wouldn’t you track Flush? Like why would I assume you’d only track Zach?

HEM/Flush are likely town. Kay is town. You're dead. I'm dead. Purple is conftown.

It's just zach here

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait a second. Purple was killed because the last scum is a roleblocker in this setup, isn’t it? Wouldn’t scum just roleblock Jack so he gets no info and kill the other confirmed town? Please correct me if I’m wrong on the roles. Why is this not a possibility? (aside from Jack claiming he checked HEM but he already lied once about his check so who knows)

FN/Tracker is a rolecop game

[JacksonVirgo]

I lied to get HEM off your back, I didn't feel a thunderdome was useful for anybody

[JacksonVirgo]

I was always going to retract that ftr

[JacksonVirgo]

I was not letting the chance of scum!kay getting a free win cuz of that

[JacksonVirgo]

FN/Tracker is a rolecop game

Okay sorry I can usually read English just fine but I’m like insanely sick and just finished working 50 hours in 3 days. Man, I really thought I was onto something. I’ve taken way too much medicine.

You're all good <3

[JacksonVirgo]

I was not letting the chance of scum!kay getting a free win cuz of that

So why track HEM over me if you were already sold on him as town and scum being on the wagon/bus vote? If you’re going to track outside of Zach, why not me or flush since your PoE already eliminated HEM?

It was a consensus check. I am confident in my ability to solve you, HEM keeps coming back up in your head so I wanted to clear that world so we can work on narrowing down the scum in the rest of the game.

[JacksonVirgo]

I didn't feel the use in tracking Zach as I assumed I'd be dead so I wanted to do something that'll help in the off chance I lived. I was right to do that too

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm going to extra clear. I am not bluffing, I tracked HEM. He's clear.

[JacksonVirgo]

it's a coin flip for me, really. i want to determine who gets the most value out of a {KJQ, StraightFlush, HEM} pool, but it really isn't that obvious.

I’d never win in a final 3 with you and flush, no matter my alignment, because I’m absolutely dying in that situation. I find it funny you gave the scenario where *I* lose us the game by voting you. When in reality, I think whoever is in the final day with you and me would know voting me is their best option to win. So yes, we’d lose as town but that burden wouldn’t be on my shoulders.

Jack literally cleared you.m (now that I know he wasn’t roleblocked lol) You’re not even an option unless he was lying about who he tracked. So why are you so worried about getting down to 3? Unless you know Jack is bluffing/lying, you’d have no reason to think you’re in danger on the final day.

It's not about him being an option, he's wondering who would benefit from a { Kay, Flush, HEM } pool as that's the world the wolf killed purple to be in essentially.

[JacksonVirgo]

In a scum!kay world. Zach cleared. She would have to leverage my read on her to kill Flush. And then be in an endgame fighting against HEM. She loses that in most worlds.

Scum!Flush. They'd probably be going to push Kay here. Which Zach/HEM would be okay with, I would not be. Then I'd die and they'd be in a Zach/HEM/Flush world where they probably lose too.

I don't see the benefit of this kill being more for one of the two.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was not letting the chance of scum!kay getting a free win cuz of that

So why track HEM over me if you were already sold on him as town and scum being on the wagon/bus vote? If you’re going to track outside of Zach, why not me or flush since your PoE already eliminated HEM?

It was a consensus check. I am confident in my ability to solve you, HEM keeps coming back up in your head so I wanted to clear that world so we can work on narrowing down the scum in the rest of the game.

But both HEM and Flush wanted to vote me at multiple stages throughout the game, why not clear me instead? Did you see that I came to a reasonable understanding and stopped looking at HEM once I was given enough reason to look elsewhere? You didn’t even have a clear on him at that point, so it’s not like I was forced to listen to you or others. Yes, YOU can solve me but there’s no way you can tell me you thought HEM and flush would just take your word for it….did you?

Didn't think I needed to. If I was alive, I was a protective voice against your push. I value your input, I want us to be on the same page more than everyone else being on the same page about you.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was also checking the world where you were right on HEM and I was off-base like with Snivy

[JacksonVirgo]

Realistically, if I put more thought into it I would have tracked Flush here. I genuinely thought I would be dead

[JacksonVirgo]

Can someone explain exactly how a role cop works? Can you check someone and kill in the same night?

Role cop checks a player to see their role. So they'd see I was a Tracker, or that Purple was a Friendly Neighbour, or Flush was a Rolecop (lol).
They can multitask yeah.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hey so, you guys wanna skip ahead and do StraightFlush right now?

Inherently, I do but I don't want to rush things.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can someone explain exactly how a role cop works? Can you check someone and kill in the same night?

Role cop checks a player to see their role. So they'd see I was a Tracker, or that Purple was a Friendly Neighbour, or Flush was a Rolecop (lol).
They can multitask yeah.

If you tracked the rolecop and they checked one person and killed another, what result would you be given?

I'd see them visit both

[JacksonVirgo]

Jack gets killed at night.

It's been a pleasure playing with you one extra day <3

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM, I hope you know I'm not against flipping Kay today if I feel it's beneficial. I don't want to kill your motivation because of me acting as a brick wall, I just do confidently town-read them so it'd need more than most things.

[JacksonVirgo]

This VC feels important

Spoiler:

VC 1.9

Blame Brett

StraightFlush [3]:

Ydrasse, skitter30, DragonEater70

DragonEater70 [2]:

StraightFlush, ketchup777

skitter30 [2]:

KayJayQueue, JacksonVirgo

KayJayQueue [1]:

zachheus

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

[JacksonVirgo]

I want to put StraightFlush to E-1 for picking up a soft claim on mason and then deciding to escalate it to public awareness without any prompt. That feels like a kiting technique to fish out actual masons. And it's my first actual read of the game because everything else before that post was straight-up junk.

Based

[JacksonVirgo]

jacksonvirgo feels a little off to me tho

ditto. i assume he should be feeling uncomfortable about extending rvs as an experienced town player. so that makes me feel a bit hmm. meanwhile, there's more value to extending rvs as scum because you get to endear yourself to people without being alignment indicative.

Unbased

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: ketchup

For this once I think I’m right on this

As usual, I was not right on this

[JacksonVirgo]

Intent to hammer

[JacksonVirgo]

Fuck all the way off dude.

VOTE: flush

[JacksonVirgo]

How dare you

[JacksonVirgo]

What an asshole

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m based like that

[JacksonVirgo]

Got a bit heated just now, I just don’t appreciate how you feel insulting people is ever the thing to do. You’ve done it repeatedly

[JacksonVirgo]

Admittedly, I got a townread on Kay off that argument. I strongly felt as if there's a real town perspective underneath that and I never felt as if she was scum appealing to me.

I was going to ask you about that tomorrow as I felt it was clear town!kay

[JacksonVirgo]

I tried wagoning flush every day with absolute failure every day except now

[JacksonVirgo]

Jack you’re so lucky that the only way my scumread on halfasleep could be right is if you were also town because day 2 you was making me squint lol

Lmfao, wdym I am beacon of pure and utter towniness. Town radiating from my very pores

[JacksonVirgo]

• ketchup777 PT

>20 pages

Holy. Fucking. Shit

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah I was rolecopped, not much harm was done by ketchups gambit

[JacksonVirgo]

thank god jackson used his tracker im sure some people wouldve been lazy and not

Always

[JacksonVirgo]

1681 Jackson calling me “Actually insane" oh boy, confrontational Jackson is back, he’s so back
It’s giving me similar vibe flashbacks to when Jackson said my POV was 'actually infuriating' (and we were TvT). So maybe he is town and we are TvTing for a third time (:

Gave me a good laugh. Do I want to read all of ur thread now? Ahhhhhh (yes)

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler:

I have two running theories in my mind, it depends on one assumption which is why Ydrasse was killed in particular. It's either my initial assumption which was a low-info kill, and them HEM's which would be an attempted PR-snipe. I personally think it's a strong combination of both.

Low Info Kill

In the world where Ydrasse was a low info kill, it would mean that the scum would be okay with the outcome Snivy's flip would have, considering HEM and myself were the primary pushback against a

scum flip

and the primary pusher (Kay, and to a lesser degree ketchup) had not been shot it means that they feel the game benefits to keep those people alive or that the scum simply cannot kill them (because they

are

them).

Hard pushing against a scum flip looks bad in all worlds, meaning the scum must have felt comfortable not killing those who would otherwise be extremely hard to eliminate when they themselves (HEM/JV) would be at a more severe risk. So from that line of thinking, that removes both HEM and myself from the scum pool. I called this out twice in the moment but Flush's actions also doesn't make sense with this assumption either, as they were town-reading both me and HEM going into today so the only way they're scum is if they thought the remaining town would just happen to take the push over which doesn't make sense if this kill was made for the reason to segment jv/hem further.

Guess who made this exact solve?

Spoiler:

this would leave my pool in jackson/hem, maybe flush.

Attempted PR Snipe

If the kill was made as an attempted PR snipe, which upon thinking further about HEM's thoughts I feel that this almost certainly has to do with it as otherwise I feel one of Kay/Ketchup would have been shot as it wouldn't affect the game too much with the mindset of keeping the game in the state that it's in. I feel the remaining scum making this kill in particular forces the remaining scum to have been thinking, at least a little bit substantially. Their focus being on finding PR is a strong hook as I believe one player has been playing, speaking and acting in a way that is almost entirely built upon finding the PRs. Guess who?

Ketchup's PR Hunting Mentality

I believe Ketchup's behaviour surrounding Flush in particular is the strongest thing that made me realise that they're the wolf this game. I believe with the logic that scum did kill to try and snipe the PR, the game-state benefitted them substantially I feel they felt they had the wiggle room to push a bit riskier socially to find who the PRs actually are. Their behaviour is weird surrounding Flush and pushing him to claim, I feel that they've already either deduced or even checked them if it's the rolecop world that Flush was not a PR and thus was not interested in pushing them because it simply

did not benefit

them to do so. They want to spread their wings out and get as much information as they can.

Anybody should be able to attest that they've been incredibly PR focused the entire game, which if that's just because I was the one that's always trying to shut down that conversation or call him out on it but it's been a repeated issue with him. I feel the reluctance on voting out Flush is obvious, Kay even called that out specifically and I believe it's because of this. I feel like his behaviour and his words don't line up properly. He makes it try to seem like he's okay with the wagon, he put Flush/Zach as his pool but he is also acting completely contradictory as it's very clear he actively

does not want flush

Spoiler:

hellooooo?

You backed off so now he won’t claim. Who would you rather vote?

maybe zach or I might come back to flush tomorrow i just wanted to see some stuff from zach and purple today before we blasted flush

i just think there are better places to lim, today at least

Who would you prefer to vote out right now?

Zach or Flush, but will check over Jackson and hem again at some point.

Shortly after this in his ISO, he had this awful progression showcasing his mentality of actively rejecting the idea of pushing flush even though he is very much in his solve and has not claimed (with Kay and I both being pretty headstrong about wanting to resolve that slot through a claim). His behaviour once again insinuates that he only wants to appear like he wants to push him (or wants to have him as a backup elim later when the information gathering phase is over and he wants to solidify an actual wagon)

Spoiler:

ik i messed up I’m back on flush nowwww

who would join me on a zach wagon?

Try it and find out!

VOTE: zach

There's also the behaviour around Flush's wagon earlier in the day where he felt reluctant to push Flush but even at that he clearly didn't have the mindset of finding scum. It was to get the claim and then jump off.

that's literally what these posts insinuate is his mindset here

Spoiler:

Not sure what to think but I won't be hammering. I have to go back and read things but I'm busy for the night sorry

yeah let’s not hammer until flush claims unless they outright refuse

Ketchup, how strong is your purple read?

strong enough to keep flush at E-1

Spoiler: Other PR hunting behaviour

Is it not sketchy of you to ask why I said that, trying to hunt our PRs?

jackson better turn up with a redcheck

yeah lets not massclaim, i thought hypoclaim could be ok but i dont know if its worth the risk

Obfuscating the real reason for killing Ydrasse

Spoiler: Reference Posts

NKA is me assuming Ydrasse was a low-info kill because the scum liked the position they assumed D2 would start with. Which I would assume is exactly what is happening

I’ll comment on it then.

This is an interesting theory. I think it’s possible scum thought that since Ydrasse is an experienced player, her lying low could have suggested a PR (I hate this like of analysis yet other people seem to like it sooo…). Also they feared shooting me/KJQ in case we were protected. trying to work out which scumteam (A, B or C) it comes from I suppose

NKA is me assuming Ydrasse was a low-info kill because the scum liked the position they assumed D2 would start with. Which I would assume is exactly what is happening

I’ll comment on it then.

This is an interesting theory. I think it’s possible scum thought that since Ydrasse is an experienced player, her lying low could have suggested a PR (I hate this like of analysis yet other people seem to like it sooo…). Also they feared shooting me/KJQ in case we were protected. trying to work out which scumteam (A, B or C) it comes from I suppose

If scum were killing just based on experience, why wasn't HEM or myself shot? We were all on a similar enough wavelength, why shoot the person easiest to actually eliminate. Chances are it wasn't because of a PR-read because to shoot Ydrasse, I would assume they would have to be pretty confident and it just was wrong so idk. My mind is going straight to low-info shot because nobody was really focusing them at all to any reasonable degree.

I think neither Purple nor Zach makes that kill. I don't think Kay does either. HEM doesn't make that kill, nor do I (I'd have killed Kay here). The remainder is you/flush

Ydrasse had the combo of r xperience and lying low. You and hem have not lied low (good, stay active! you are doing well and are on the money!).
In my first game, thomith‘s mini normal, I read mafia PT and outworlder pushed for the Delta kill because he was confident Delta was PR, yet he was wrong there. It’s possible a similar thing happened here.

I hadn’t really thought about who I would NK but to do a beacon of honesty I’ll think about it here now, assuming I didn’t know which of the 9 setups it was which is obviously not going to be true but anyway).

I would probably avoid killing kay. If I were a protective, kay is who I would protect. I might go for you, jackson, to shake things up and I don’t think you would be protected.

This is a pretty nonsensical analysis of what has happened and it feels like they're trying to push the conversation AWAY from talking about the reason Ydrasse was shot. Experience/Lying Low is the reason he believes ydrasse was shot when a scum flip happened, meaning an optimal kill for positioning is NECESSARY. He tries backing this up with an example immediately which makes me feel this was calculated. This entire post feels calculated, and also extremely out of touch of the gamestate so I feel this is an attempt to hide the fact that the kill was made for a specific reason (which I had spoken about above). The first quote of this quote tree also links to his pr-hunting mindset I called out earlier.

The fact it feels calculated but this post exists is insane

ah yeah i didn't even think about NKA

Unnatural Fixation on his (future) Scum Game + Regular Inconsistencies

I've argued this when I was pushing him day one, but I feel he is unnaturally and overly fixated on making statements for his future scum games or what a scum mindset would have. I feel this is his attempt at distancing himself from his own scum mindset as "why would scum talk about scum this much" or something along those lines.

Spoiler:

wolves are in {jackson, zachson, flush, hem}. I just need to get one of you out of this poollll

Replace Jack with purple and that’s where I’m at.

replace? why not just add purple in. do you really 100% think it’s not jackson?

I think you and Jackson are both in a place where I wouldn’t vote you until it was 3 people left and I’d need some sort of come-to-jesus moment.

brb organising my night kills to get to that ElO

There's been a few layers of inconsistencies they've had. Most notably when they said I was cleared through interaction from skitter but happened to just randomly ignore that later, even when I asked a question to gauge that in particular (too lazy to find the quotes) but here's another inconsistency

Spoiler: Inconsistency 1

Ydrasse was going to be in my pool for today though so I need to reevaluate

Mine too honestly so the kill is kinda odd. I feel like scum knows you and I are probably cleared and we’d be pushing those off the wagon. Unless they were sure (incorrectly) ydra had a PR, killing her was a bad idea because if scum didn’t vote their partner, the pool is small. She was the only vote on snivy that we could really see as sus.

i think it was probs a mix of PR hunting and fearing they hit a protect

ah yeah i didn't even think about NKA

Inconsistencies, PR hunting and obfuscation? how am I going to get out of this one

It was super fun to write honestly

[JacksonVirgo]

You caught a tracker soft that was so good even I didn’t know I said it

[JacksonVirgo]

Especially slurs