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Alianna She/HerDeath by 1000 PagetopsShe/Her
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- Location: Land of the Freeze
Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.I townread Alianna.
Post #1000s Collected: 25
On hiatus from playing mafia.-
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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- Joined: April 28, 2011
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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am open to reconsidering you gera if you can give me reads in a way that convinces me that you have themYou can't step in the same river twice.-
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Enchant Survivor
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VOTE: kayWizard-Mercenary
You need replacement/players ASAP? PM me! I almost always accept.-
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Enchant Survivor
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I will be honest with ya
I have no fucking clue where mafia sits.
Obviously we don't think that Thomith is mafia so mafia DID vote someone right?
Just who...Wizard-Mercenary
You need replacement/players ASAP? PM me! I almost always accept.-
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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dislike that oblivion's reads haven't progressed since dissuaded from scumreading gypyxYou can't step in the same river twice.-
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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lf said he had a kay towncase
did he share it?You can't step in the same river twice.-
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Oblivion It/ItsGoonIt/Its
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What part of checked out do you not understand? It doesn't agree with you on Gypyx and Thomith. If those two are scum, there is at most one more scum and it isn't looking for those. Its reads were already done with Gypyx and Thomith as town as an assumption. Why would it change?In post 3205, Psyche wrote: dislike that oblivion's reads haven't progressed since dissuaded from scumreading gypyxThis is the law, written in the stars and seeds: in the end, all things must fail. They are old as the stars.But not older.
And you, who have your human heart again, know all their secrets still.
This is the truth you will use to break them, to rend chains apart and set their prisoners free:no one else has ever loved this way before.-
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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i guess i don't "understand" why you checked out instead of working to either improve, continually evaluate, or convince others of your readsYou can't step in the same river twice.-
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Oblivion It/ItsGoonIt/Its
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A lack of motivation.In post 3208, Psyche wrote: i guess i don't "understand" why you checked out instead of working to either improve, continually evaluate, or convince others of your readsThis is the law, written in the stars and seeds: in the end, all things must fail. They are old as the stars.But not older.
And you, who have your human heart again, know all their secrets still.
This is the truth you will use to break them, to rend chains apart and set their prisoners free:no one else has ever loved this way before.-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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Ranger was 100% dead at this post count. Posts like this read like admitting to not having feelings during the game that you have to scramble to fake.In post 3199, geraintm wrote:This would have been a great point for me to decide Hu Toa was scum and push that wagon along and get momentum going, but I didn't.
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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I slept for a long ass time
She's pretty obvious town from interactions with Dave and Ranger. I'll go find the ones that stood out.-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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He went from not knowing why kay voted you yesterday to voting you himself in OMGUS.In post 3201, Psyche wrote: you think lf is scum?-
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KayJayQueue She/HerMafia ScumShe/Her
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I feel pretty powerless at this point, I’m not really sure what I can do to help people see that I’m town. Are there any questions I can answer or a case against me I can defend? I don’t want to be mislimmed but I don’t have a strong case to push gera and I refuse to push Lycan because if someone is going to be limmed, I think it hurts town more to lose him since I think he has a better grasp of the game state than I do. I think it’s a mistake to vote me out instead of someone in the {Gera, enchant, oblivion, RN, psyche} group but I don’t know what I can do to move the momentum in a different direction.-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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I think this is a kneejerk reaction to your playstyle, Kay. It would be easy to play scum and actively try to towntell all game. You have strong opinions, but they're islands in the ocean of your posts. People like conviction, and admitting you don't know where to go in the game frustrates people even irrationally as rather than empathize they will react negatively toward you for not being more town.
For what it's worth I feel like you've been an open book this game. If you are scum, your play here is great and nobody will let you sheep as much
While I work on my post maybe you could link a recent towngame? We've all seen your recent scumgame.
How do you feel about Geraint accusing his wagon and being okay with Gypyx and Oblivion starting a new wagon? Do you feel like he should have interfered based off that game you were scum together?-
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KayJayQueue She/HerMafia ScumShe/Her
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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My read on Kay:
1) Where would Ranger put her teammates? Kay was nearly unmovable from "P14" onward. She only ever dipped at page 27, where she made a single post about the kill being upsetting. I read this as Ranger trying to pocket someone that was vocal about Dave, and dropping Kay the one slot that Ranger did was to make Kay thinkshe was actually being sorted. Ranger could have easily blank TRed Kay if they were partners and wouldn't need to fake it. I think Kay was very townie throughout D2.
2) Kay is a non-Ranger voter, but for the first half of D2 might as well had been a voter. She was laser focused on Ranger and reminding Ranger that she was in contention.
3) Kay didn't make an effort to save Ranger, and is making no effort right now to cash in on how she was pushing Ranger D2.
Interactions:
From my point of view this is an interesting comment:In post 332, davesaz wrote:How hard did you look at the vote reasons? Are they any more or less valid than typical for d1?
Also how does the comment relate to the unvote?
Votecount 1.10
(3):Little Will o' Wisp, PenguinPower,Gypyxdavesaz
(3):Naerys,Little Will o' Wisp, TitusThomith
(2):davesaz, Snow2697Hu Tao
(2):Hu Tao, geraintmNotAScum
PenguinPower (1):JacksonVirgo
(1): KayJayQueueNotAScum
Titus (1):Naerys
Not Voting (2): Random Nurse, Oblivion
Kay's trajectory would have had her vote willow. She didn't oblige until the end of day, making different votes in this time. I feel like dave was trying to manipulate her here.
In post 1005, KayJayQueue wrote: Ranger, I’ve been waiting patiently for you to catch up. You had been reading page by page originally. Are you caught up? Where exactly are you on reads/do you have an updated reads list? There’s been a lot of talk about how we’re on the wrong path as a town but that argument is feeling cyclical at the moment. I can’t figure out if your latest reads (especially on Naerys) are based on the game as a whole, recent events, or the beginning of the game.In post 1098, KayJayQueue wrote: Ranger can you please give explanations for these reads more than just names in a list? I feel like you think we should understand why they were moving up and down relative to the page number…it wasn’t as helpful as I think you believe it was. At least not for me.In post 1120, KayJayQueue wrote:
I’m not 100% positive if you are at E-1 or E-2 but once we get a vote count my intent is to either put you at E-1 or hammer, whichever it is. I think we’d all appreciate a claim at this point. I won’t hammer without a claim but I can’t guarantee any one else won’t either.In post 1082, Ranger wrote: I'll say before bed; you all reallyhaveslacked.
I'm usually not topping the post charts; despite replacing in half a week ago, I'm already the third-highest poster and climbing.In post 1130, Ranger wrote:
I’m busy until tomorrow, so I can’t address how terrible the votes on me are.In post 1120, KayJayQueue wrote:
I’m not 100% positive if you are at E-1 or E-2 but once we get a vote count my intent is to either put you at E-1 or hammer, whichever it is. I think we’d all appreciate a claim at this point. I won’t hammer without a claim but I can’t guarantee any one else won’t either.In post 1082, Ranger wrote:I'll say before bed; you all reallyhaveslacked.
I'm usually not topping the post charts; despite replacing in half a week ago, I'm already the third-highest poster and climbing.
I feel given the site downtime and how horrendous the votes on me are, I’m owed a chance to respond to them and for the wagon to be given a chance to dissipate without the need for a claim.
If you or others disagree, then sure, I can claim, yet you are being foolish for not critically examining how awful the vote pileon is and why itshouldn’tmerit forcing me to claim.In post 1137, KayJayQueue wrote: I don’t think anyone should be discrediting every person that’s voting you just because you say it’s wrong. Obviously we don’t have a way of knowing what is and isn’t “correct” unless someone has extra info. You saying votes are not for valid reasons seems like an unfair assessment of the effort we are putting into solving.
I do find it slightly odd that there hasn’t been any kind of real counter wagon. That might be my only hesitation currently.
Ranger makes another post reply to this 30 minutes later. This seems like an attempt at manipulation, not a one and done SvS interaction:In post 1141, Ranger wrote:
Of course not.In post 1137, KayJayQueue wrote:I don’t think anyone should be discrediting every person that’s voting you just because you say it’s wrong.
They should be discrediting the votes by looking at the reasons for the votes and seeinghow terrible they are.
Late, bbl.
Ranger's ego rubs Kay the wrong way:In post 1147, Ranger wrote:
Clearly not. My assessment of the amount of solving being done is accurate as I’ve done more effort to solve the game in five days than any player has the entire game.In post 1137, KayJayQueue wrote:You saying votes are not for valid reasons seems like an unfair assessment of the effort we are putting into solving.
And I can state that as objective fact.
The accuracy of my solve is up for debate.
That I have done it and far more than nearly any other slot isn’t; it’s an objectively true fact.
In post 1149, Ranger wrote:
To be more explicit;In post 1148, Ranger wrote:
Perhaps consider the contradiction behind the bolded.In post 1137, KayJayQueue wrote:You saying votes are not for valid reasons seems likean unfair assessment of the effort we are putting into solving.
I do find it slightly odd thatthere hasn’t been any kind of real counter wagon. That might be my only hesitation currently.
You cannot seriously claim there’s been solving while also ignoring there’s no counterwagon, half the game isn’t voting, andno critical analysis of the votes given has been provided.
Have you looked at the reason for Random Nurse's revote of me?
How about Oblivion?
How about Titus?
Did you look at those reasons for voting and think, "this is valid, this seems to track, I have no disagreements with this"?
I’m willing to bet you didn’t.
So if you didn’t have that thought...
...Where's the alleged effort into solving?In post 1151, Ranger wrote:
No. That’s critical thinking.In post 1144, KayJayQueue wrote:
Is that accurate? If the scum team includes Ranger and she’s pretty likely to be limmed, wouldn’t a motivated team be aiding in this somehow? Unless I’ve overlooked some posts, I can always go back and reread but it currently seems like everyone is at least content with the Ranger vote. That is slightly worrying to me. Does anyone else have an opinion on lack of counter? Is this just paranoia?In post 1140, Oblivion wrote: It is almost as if the scum team got an injection of motivation with a replacement player.
I know who the scum are killing once I flip town.
Ranger does not oblige the disengage and continues to bother Kay:In post 1153, KayJayQueue wrote: I feel like I should disengage with this for awhile while I reread the last few pages. You’re making me feel like I’m an idiot and maybe it’s lack of sleep but I’m feeling a bit out of my depth right now. I feel like I’m defending myself for trying to play the game. I think I was even the most vocal about letting you catch up on your reads too. I was very eager for your input especially since Dave didn’t really give me a ton to go off of. I guess I’m just not used to a play style like yours and I’ll have to adjust to it.
In post 1156, Ranger wrote:
What a coincidence, so am I!In post 1153, KayJayQueue wrote: I feel like I’m defending myself for trying to play the game.
My argument in part is that the wagon on me, with no counterwagon, isdeliberately designed to prevent players from playing the game.
It warps the game around me and makes the game entirely about me.
I didn’t sign up for that, nor did I cause it. My efforts have consistently been todissuadethat gamestate, as there’s never anything good to come from focusing entirely on one player.
My question to you iswhy have my efforts failed?
Why is the game entirely still about me?
I certainly would prefer it otherwise!
So why do I remain the sole focus of playersdespitemy efforts?
It’s almost like me remaining the focus is beneficial to scum.
I know which alignment that implies for me.In post 1157, Ranger wrote:
Perhaps you could look at the input I gave, then?In post 1153, KayJayQueue wrote:I was very eager for your input especially since Dave didn’t really give me a ton to go off of. I guess I’m just not used to a play style like yours and I’ll have to adjust to it.
I gave page by page changes in my reads.
Did any stick out to you? Did you evenlookat them?
I gave a basic summary of my reads after I got to my replace-in spot. Did you read my rundown of each slot?
I work best by letting players engage with my content, and elaborating on it when they do.
So why is the engagement so low?
People wanted contributions from my slot.I gave them. So why are they pretending I haven’t?
From there on Oblivion goes aggro on Ranger. I try to separate them. I tell Ranger there's good reasons to suspect them, they claim and promise more content the next day and never return.In post 1158, Ranger wrote:
I explain the changes when engaged on them.In post 1098, KayJayQueue wrote:Ranger can you please give explanations for these reads more than just names in a list?
As for explaining the reads, you apparently need a read yourself.
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Outside of interactions Kay is difficult to read. She goes through periods of uncertainty and "goes with the flow". She's been trigger happy with her vote, but I haven't noticed an agenda with this (unless people think Kay and Psyche are aligned - which I think we should all agree should not be a good pairing). Her reads come from gut feelings and takes time to articulate why. This was frustrating for me to read as otherwise she's been very active and posting in real time with people, which should be great. I think we would all hate to lose to scum!Kay here but we shouldn't let our pride direct us to a bad elimination when we otherwise should have a winning POE. If we can agree on town!Kay here, we're less likely to fumble any potential MELO.
I'm back to the theory that the most likely scenario is the right one for this game. I was distracted by the idea of a fourth mafiaso yesterday, but I think we had the game there. From these interactions especially with Ranger I would be very surprised if they were aligned. Ranger was fighting for her life, and Kay was making the thread (along with Oblivion) all about Ranger's ego and how they were mistreating the people voting her. Which she was, because I told her that too.-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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tl;dr Kay is town. Just because you can't read her as a player doesn't make her not town. She's town because she does town things, doesn't have an agenda other than pushing what the town wants at the time, and is town through d2 play. Consolidate elsewhere.-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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Sorry that that took so long but I slept for a long time (am technically on 'vacation' starting today so I did way too much work yesterday in preparation). My phone was blowing up.-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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Do you still scumread Kay despite her interactions with Ranger, Oblivion? Why do you suspect her?-
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KayJayQueue She/HerMafia ScumShe/Her
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I think it makes sense to accuse those(as in, at least one) voting you of being scum in a situation where I feel like we mostly all believe there are two confirmed town so options are limited. Honestly, I think of the 3 players voting me currently, it’d be crazy not to think at least one of Oblivion/Enchant is scum since I trust Gypyx as town. I don’t fully understand her reasoning for voting for me yet but I don’t think the wagon on me is pure. However, I don’t think Gypyx is the issue.In post 3214, Lycanfire wrote: How do you feel about Geraint accusing his wagon and being okay with Gypyx and Oblivion starting a new wagon? Do you feel like he should have interfered based off that game you were scum together?
As it relates to gera, I don’t see a reason for him to interfere with a counter wagon if it’s going to save him. Unless he strongly townreads me, why would he stick his neck out for me if his head is on the chopping block? I’d do the same, in fact, I started getting votes and reacted defensively by voting the biggest wagon at the time which was gera. I don’t think this is indicative of scum in gera’s case because I literally did the same thing.
I feel like him and I don’t necessarily scumread each other but because of the game we played together, I don’t think we’re too fond of each other or each other’s playstyle. We really did not enjoy our previous game together whatsoever but I don’t want to let that influence how I read him in this game. I think the other issue is that because we were scum together, we don’t actually know how to read each other as town. He’s in my lim pool but not my preference. I voted for him because if it’s between him or me, I know I’m town so I’m obviously saving myself if I can. I don’t know what gera is but I know there’s a 1 in 5 chance (based off my own reads) that he’s scum so why would I roll over and die instead of vote him? I think his situation probably boils down to the same thing IF he’s town which is why I’m using myself as an example for similar behavior.-
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Oblivion It/ItsGoonIt/Its
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Honestly it doesnt know. Should it just hammer Gera with 11 hours left? It doesn't really know what to do or if it cares anymore.In post 3219, Lycanfire wrote: Do you still scumread Kay despite her interactions with Ranger, Oblivion? Why do you suspect her?This is the law, written in the stars and seeds: in the end, all things must fail. They are old as the stars.But not older.
And you, who have your human heart again, know all their secrets still.
This is the truth you will use to break them, to rend chains apart and set their prisoners free:no one else has ever loved this way before.-
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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This is a similar point to you TR'ing me for my snow push in tinkletonIn post 3195, Psyche wrote: gypyx a bit frustrating here. i need more help than "i don't think scum!gera makes this sort of stuff" if im going to see why he's townWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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that's a pretty good towncase on kay
i guess that leaves me at Psyche / Oblivion as the scumteam?White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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Oblivion It/ItsGoonIt/Its
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You know it could have hammered by now right?This is the law, written in the stars and seeds: in the end, all things must fail. They are old as the stars.But not older.
And you, who have your human heart again, know all their secrets still.
This is the truth you will use to break them, to rend chains apart and set their prisoners free:no one else has ever loved this way before.
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