Daniel Anix Presents: The 20th Anniversary of UPick Game

[The Cabal]

First!

We’re a death miller.
This means when we die it says we flip scum, but we’re not

-Bell

[The Cabal]

How have none of my other heads posted yet.
Genuine question
They’re all a bunch of activity freaks.
Maybe we are scum after all.

VOTE: Half Asleep
Omgus.
-Bell.

[The Cabal]

*checks role pm*

Nope. We’re still a death miller.

-Bell.

[The Cabal]

Hi is everyone enjoying themselves so far?!??!!

I predict that Pooky is scum!

~Spiffy

[The Cabal]

don't know why so many people are voting innocent child "not voting"

Quick what color is your alignment

[The Cabal]

blue, but i did have to recheck my role pm for that one

Ok we won’t bite you for few days.

[The Cabal]

Anix is trolling us, and gave us a death miller, smh

-Luke

[The Cabal]

We could scum side.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Really throw them for a loop.
Should’ve open wolfed but I’m contractually obligated to play it straight, esp. because I keep getting miller roles and I keep winning and I keep claiming immediately. It’s clearly a magic spell.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Oh no, one of my heads is doing an angle shoot

[The Cabal]

I guess my other heads forgot to mention that we also work as a traditional miller, just with the death miller on top of it.

blue, but i did have to recheck my role pm for that one

Dannflor

deep wolf

town

- Sakura Hana

[The Cabal]

are you also a game miller meaning you win with the scum team

Yes.

[The Cabal]

Hi by the way Dan.
It’s been a minute. <3
-Bell

[The Cabal]

VOTE:

The CABAL

You are my eternal enemy and I will never ever forgive you for this

[The Cabal]

VOTE: dannflor

Why?

apropos of nothing, I forgot how much I loved this avatar.

[The Cabal]

Greetings. Welcome aboard the Cabal Express. Please keep your arms, legs and tails inside the ride at all times, and remember not to feed the eldritch horrors. Enjoy your stay!

[The Cabal]

How have none of my other heads posted yet.
Genuine question
They’re all a bunch of activity freaks.
Maybe we are scum after all.

VOTE: Half Asleep
Omgus.
-Bell.

I was counting on alla yas to pull my dead weight this morning.

[The Cabal]

dann if you're a jester i am here to help you win

VOTE: Dannflor

Why are you posting outside the hydra???

[The Cabal]

^^

[The Cabal]

quote this if you want to party

but when the party starts, keep in mind that alcohol brings the truth out and weed makes your more paranoid

I'm down to party

-Luke

[The Cabal]

i am not a jester

i townread WePick

These two things cannot be simultaneously true!

[The Cabal]

r we actually doing reads this game cuz I thought this was a meme game

Are you scared we'll catch you if we actually do reads?

~Spiffy

[The Cabal]

Hi Firebringer, are you guys Town?

~Spiffy

[The Cabal]

Well,
I would appreciate it if we could play mafia at least somewhat normally.
Mostly because Mafia is fun to me and I don't want to check the thread and just see memes because I'd get pretty bored.

But to each their own. I know that about half our heads aren't going to be super active. Also, I'll try not to drown the thread.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

to any current or future partiers: you have 24 hours to respond to AniX's DM

We are attending the party.

Is there anything we should know about it?

-Luke

[The Cabal]

r we actually doing reads this game cuz I thought this was a meme game

Are you scared we'll catch you if we actually do reads?

~Spiffy

I'm a cult leader you can't catch me, I will catch YOU

You already have at least 11 followers! This might be a record for you

-Luke

[The Cabal]

I guess there are worse fates.

[The Cabal]

VOTE:

The CABAL

You are my eternal enemy and I will never ever forgive you for this

Good. Your

lies

shall be exposed for all to judge.

Are you scum claiming with the red text or something?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Should I ask less obvious questions

[The Cabal]

You should ask questions that are

important to find

answers to.

Deep.

[The Cabal]

I am asking why you are posting in colors.
Are you just bored?
Or are you mechanically required to do so as, like, a post restriction or something.

[The Cabal]

First!

We’re a death miller.
This means when we die it says we flip scum, but we’re not

-Bell

So… if you were to replace out would it mechanically destroy the game?

I genuinely can not figure out what about our claim would lead you to ask this question.

-Luke

[The Cabal]

quote this if you want to party

but when the party starts, keep in mind that alcohol brings the truth out and weed makes your more paranoid

Is this a one time thing?

-Luke

[The Cabal]

id rather eliminate the cabal because then i can say i killed 11 people in one day.

~firebringer

You'd eliminate BorkJerfkin? What is

wrong

with you.

[The Cabal]

i prefer a hydra elimination actually because 11 players in one slot means there's no meaningfully reading that slot. for me at least. it's a skill issue.

We need to bow out before melo/elo if the game doesn't end first. But, we'd like to catch some scum first.

[The Cabal]

^^

[The Cabal]

i prefer a hydra elimination actually because 11 players in one slot means there's no meaningfully reading that slot. for me at least. it's a skill issue.

We need to bow out before melo/elo if the game doesn't end first. But, we'd like to catch some scum first.

for boring reasons, who said this?

The alchemist.

Spoiler:

[The Cabal]

i prefer a hydra elimination actually because 11 players in one slot means there's no meaningfully reading that slot. for me at least. it's a skill issue.

We need to bow out before melo/elo if the game doesn't end first. But, we'd like to catch some scum first.

this is a meme game we're not here to catch bad guys

we're here to have a good time and annoy AniX

That was my plan all the way up until I saw our rolecard. Being a miller is serious business. Being a death miller? I want to end this with NOBODY believing we're scum despite our flip.

Also, Bell is in this hydra.

[The Cabal]

btw, you're seriously claiming death miller? that's not a meme claim?

Bell claimed. Bell. Of course it's not a meme claim. He's even more srsbsns about mafia than I am.

Claiming right away was a group choice we came to while waiting centuries for the game to start.

[The Cabal]

btw, you're seriously claiming death miller? that's not a meme claim?

claims are irrelevant in a fight to the death

I'm not interested in your reindeer games.

[The Cabal]

can you give us more info? what's your win condition?

We're user aligned and we win by banning all the admin aligned players as long as one user aligned player is still standing e.g., not banned.

[The Cabal]

The rationale for being user aligned is that bork is a tech admin who's overriding concern is keeping the site up and running. We're a death miller because despite being as purehearted as the driven Wisconsin snow Bork likes to shovel while designing games, nevertheless his name is in red.

[The Cabal]

Also, bourbon is life.

[The Cabal]

so are you a death miller only in so far as you flip scum when you die? or if you're visited by an investigative, you'll be a positive result as well?

Both

I think Bell or Luke answered this on page 1 or 2.

[The Cabal]

Though I dunno. Maybe we read "miller" to a rolecop. That's how it usually works in non-bastard games.

[The Cabal]

The wording is [approximately, for sake of not quoting the pm] that we we will appear as admin in any circumstance that would reveal our alignment, and that includes in death.

So yes, we are a miller for the sake of both cops and death. That should not affect a rolecop in anyway though

We tried to troll Anix with a "Bork is the superior red mod" role pick, and anix decided to troll us back with this role lol

-Luke

[The Cabal]

Y'know what a Miller who is also a Death Miller but totally isn't scum trust me guys sounds like to me?

Scum.

VOTE: The Cabal

Also the excuse of bork having a red name doesn't hold water here because bork abandoned the hydra before the game even filled.

- Rat

That's silly. you're silly.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

is a death miller even balanced in an 11p

only in a meme game

which anix insists this is not

Pooky,
I’m pretty sure you’re just shit stirring ironically, but I will tunnel you if you shit stir on a slot that it is pointless to shit stir on.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Oh the game thing.

I’d like to play a game where I get to engage in a conversation with another player for like, 40 minutes and then we announce what we think the other player’s alignment is.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Do you think it's time we stopped pretending this might not be a meme game

I wanna play mafia though. :/

-Bell

[The Cabal]

I will tunnel you if you shit stir on a slot that it is pointless to shit stir on

can you say more? how is it pointless to talk about your claim?

Two things.
1. Milers that claim miller are usually actually millers(ascetics it’s a coin toss).
2. Players that claim more information about their role than is strictly necessary are more likely to be town.

I don’t actually know most of you guys, but Pooky’s familiar…ish. With these arguments.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

btw, how many scum in 11 players? 3?

Uhhh.
Hmm. I’d go with 2 and a half. 2 is too little. 3 seems a bit too much.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Do you think it's time we stopped pretending this might not be a meme game

I wanna play mafia though. :/

-Bell

Me too, so I'm not going to use my role that literally brings anix into the game on an alt account that operates under defined parameters until later in the day phase

You don’t feel like you’re playing mafia.

-Bell.

[The Cabal]

I think jjh is probably town

- Sakura Hana

[The Cabal]

I wasnt gonna tryhard this game, but since people are harping on our claim rather than reading our posts and reading us that way, i decided that i will actually try harder

- Sakura Hana

[The Cabal]

hey cabal, was it a unanimous decision to claim death miller upon entrance? what's the structure like?

Well yes, that's literally what one should always do, idk what the second question means, if you mean our death miller part, one of the other heads already paraphrased it. Why is the death miller claim important to your read of our slot?

- Sakura Hana

[The Cabal]

Disclaimer: I've personally never been or seen, or played with, a Death miller before this game, I have no idea whether our role PM will flip fully or not, i dont even know if our role PM will flip on death, all i know is that it will say that our alignment is red on death or on anything that would usually reveal our alignment.
This is literally all I know, let's move on ok?

- Sakura Hana

[The Cabal]

...how unimportant do you think it is? is there anything in your iso yet or in this game that you think i should be paying other attention to?

I've mentioned 2 reads, although they are more personal, I haven't discussed reads yet with other heads because i originally wasnt gonna tryhard this game.

- Sakura Hana

[The Cabal]

what i mean about the structure question: do your heads vote? is there a top dog? is there a main player? is everyone unanimously voting for you to be more active now? what's the structure like?

I'll have a lot of questions like this because i don't think I've ever played with an ELEVEN HEADED HYDRA

What?, No, No, there's no "structure" or anything like that. Everyone's free to participate as much or as little as they want as far as i'm aware. Although if anyone wants to interact specifically with me, they are welcome to, i'm actively reading when i'm not busy.

- Sakura Hana

[The Cabal]

what i mean about the structure question: do your heads vote? is there a top dog? is there a main player? is everyone unanimously voting for you to be more active now? what's the structure like?

I'll have a lot of questions like this because i don't think I've ever played with an ELEVEN HEADED HYDRA

We are full anarchy

[The Cabal]

i prefer a hydra elimination actually because 11 players in one slot means there's no meaningfully reading that slot. for me at least. it's a skill issue.

We need to bow out before melo/elo if the game doesn't end first. But, we'd like to catch some scum first.

i don't consent to this :v

Y'know what a Miller who is also a Death Miller but totally isn't scum trust me guys sounds like to me?

Scum.

VOTE: The Cabal

Also the excuse of bork having a red name doesn't hold water here because bork abandoned the hydra before the game even filled.

- Rat

im kinda surprised that this is an even remotely popular take. guess i shouldnt be. i wouldn't have agreed to claim death miller as scum and immediately make the game all about us, i actually wanted to play.

[The Cabal]

what i mean about the structure question: do your heads vote? is there a top dog? is there a main player? is everyone unanimously voting for you to be more active now? what's the structure like?

I'll have a lot of questions like this because i don't think I've ever played with an ELEVEN HEADED HYDRA

we're extremely serious and actively corralling every single person to cowrite every post

do u really think it's even possible to control 11 people in a form that could be described as a strategy. i don't

[The Cabal]

sure why not

VOTE: itf

anyway call me when we're ready to play mafia rather than footsies.

[The Cabal]

I need food Bell

who's scum

HEM? Maybe.

[The Cabal]

To be clear it’s not omgus(it’s always omgus).
I’m just skeptical of someone trying to figure out how to interact with an 11 person hydra. It just reads like busy work to me.

I also find their reasoning genuinely fallacious and their opinion that they’ll get to read a scum role pm sample as an advantage extremely silly.
I also, don’t think too scummy to be scum applies here because their idea that claiming a death miller out of nowhere is scummy isn’t good thinking. Because they certainly aren’t reading us from any other perspective or reason that I can see.

It’s RVS but their deal is weird.
-Bell

[The Cabal]

They did not. They’ve barely posted in the discord.
But I don’t really think they would’ve said no to what is commonly thought to be the objectively correct play.
-Bell

[The Cabal]

The logistics:

Discord chat.
1. Hey guys we’re a death miller.
2. That’s hilarious.
3. We should obviously claim right away right?
Spiffeh, I, and Lukewarm think we should claim. Nobody objects.
4. We ask a bunch of questions to figure out what death miller means, some of which have already been asked of us again.
5. End.

-Bell
Pedit: yes, I do say so.

[The Cabal]

Actually, it makes perfect sense to say, if I was here and we were given this role, we wouldn’t have claimed it as scum because it draws attention to us.
Something scum don’t like to do.
It’s more work and people are lazy by nature.

And, as already mentioned, statistically, miller claims are usually true.

[The Cabal]

You could just read us based off our play. But if you’re not reading town us for how we’re behaving already, I’m not sure that day 1 posts are going to help much until we’re deeper in the game.

-Bell.

[The Cabal]

i prefer a hydra elimination actually because 11 players in one slot means there's no meaningfully reading that slot. for me at least. it's a skill issue.

We need to bow out before melo/elo if the game doesn't end first. But, we'd like to catch some scum first.

i don't consent to this :v

Y'know what a Miller who is also a Death Miller but totally isn't scum trust me guys sounds like to me?

Scum.

VOTE: The Cabal

Also the excuse of bork having a red name doesn't hold water here because bork abandoned the hydra before the game even filled.

- Rat

im kinda surprised that this is an even remotely popular take. guess i shouldnt be. i wouldn't have agreed to claim death miller as scum and immediately make the game all about us, i actually wanted to play.

DID you agree to the claim?

-Rat

I witnessed and didn't bother to participate in what was a very brief conversation about it because the fact you should claim death miller when you are a death miller is really obvious.

Picture of a raccoon.

[The Cabal]

I do think we have an exceptionally good chance of getting shot.
But I do like the idea of them letting us live and making them regret it. But I actually don’t need to say that, when I’m alone I just feel kind of stupid saying that because I can easily get owned by the scum team. But in a hydra like this, it doesn’t seem quite as silly to say it.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Statistically, Mafia players are usually Town.

- Rat

You appear to be under the misconception that an idiot made the statistic and didn’t control for that.

[The Cabal]

Also, don’t ask me to source it. I completely forgot where it came from.

Bell.

[The Cabal]

The logistics:

Discord chat.
1. Hey guys we’re a death miller.
2. That’s hilarious.
3. We should obviously claim right away right?
Spiffeh, I, and Lukewarm think we should claim. Nobody objects.
4. We ask a bunch of questions to figure out what death miller means, some of which have already been asked of us again.
5. End.

-Bell
Pedit: yes, I do say so.

It is very important that specifically Luke answers this question:

Do you investigate as User or Admin prior to your death?

Luke's not around atm, I think. And I already answered that.

[The Cabal]

I’d tease you, but I know I’m kind of an outlier when it comes to mafia play. Most people just come up with opinions based on what flavor of tea and cheese they ate that day and that’s fine, at least as a rat your gut probably works better than the rest of us.

-Bell

@rat.

[The Cabal]

I would like to once again stress that this is a wacky bastard upick and my threats of bringing an anix controlled slot into the game are not unfounded

I mean, I took you seriously.
I’m just not like, going to pressure you to explain because I don’t see much of an advantage in it. Sounds fun, looking forward to that when you do that.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

I think HEM is town for post like this and this. I don’t think this is how scum approaches our role.

- Magical Girl

[The Cabal]

Also trust me, I don’t need all these hydra heads to come up with better things to fakeclaim than heckin’ death miller in a meme game. Because if we are lying about being a death miller, than surely we would have much cooler role to base our fakeclaim on, right?

- Magical Girl

[The Cabal]

If we are scum, have bork flavor, and not a death miller, why would we claim death miller in the first place? Just a miller claim would've sufficed.

- Magical Girl

[The Cabal]

The rationale for being user aligned is that bork is a tech admin who's overriding concern is keeping the site up and running. We're a death miller because despite being as purehearted as the driven Wisconsin snow Bork likes to shovel while designing games, nevertheless his name is in red.

I don't believe this claim. Bork is by all means still an

admin

, so this leads towards bastard flavor.

You do know that you signed up for a bastard game?

[The Cabal]

Just as Bork is the superior red mod, bourbon is the superior whiskey.

[The Cabal]

I was obsessively checking for PMs to the hydra account. And sharing them with all my hydra peeps. We're clearly the superior hydra.

[The Cabal]

Also the excuse of bork having a red name doesn't hold water here because bork abandoned the hydra before the game even filled.

It was not because bork is in the hydra, it is because we submitted bork as our uPick choice.

so i'm struggling to see why we'd like to keep you alive when you could just literally be scum and we won't find out until the game ends

I don't think that you keep us alive because of the claim, but it does seem silly to kill us because of the claim. I think you just sort us independently of the claim, and if we die (voted out or otherwise), dont get complacent about how many scum are likely still alive in the game.

Spoiler: @humaneatingmonkey on structure

hey cabal, was it a unanimous decision to claim death miller upon entrance? what's the structure like?

what i mean about the structure question: do your heads vote? is there a top dog? is there a main player? is everyone unanimously voting for you to be more active now? what's the structure like?

I'll have a lot of questions like this because i don't think I've ever played with an ELEVEN HEADED HYDRA

Yes it was unanimous. Bell is the first person who read our roll pm, and mentioned it in the discord that we were a miller. Ffery chimed in to specify that it was a death miller. Spiff was the first person who said that we definitely have to claim that right away, and followed by basically everyone saying yeah, that is the correct way to play a miller (And GiF chiming in that he thought that she was memeing about it being a death miller).

In general, the discord has been pretty chill, and we are just doing our thing, so no discussion on bell in particular being more active. That is just bell posting as much as bell wants.

We did wait for all 11 people to chime in on whether we should drink or smoke via skygazer's ability though (which was also unanimous lol). At 9 votes for drink, I said that it was "pretty unanimous", but ffery said we should wait for everyone to chime in for the sake of team work.

-Luke

[The Cabal]

The logistics:

Discord chat.
1. Hey guys we’re a death miller.
2. That’s hilarious.
3. We should obviously claim right away right?
Spiffeh, I, and Lukewarm think we should claim. Nobody objects.
4. We ask a bunch of questions to figure out what death miller means, some of which have already been asked of us again.
5. End.

-Bell
Pedit: yes, I do say so.

It is very important that specifically Luke answers this question:

Do you investigate as User or Admin prior to your death?

I already answered this. We show up as Admin in any circumstance which reveals our alignment.

[The Cabal]

can we get crossfaded at the party, asking for a friend

i would recommend sticking to drinking unless you want to get paranoid

not sure if anything is stopping you from going again and picking smoke after anix processes the partying i guess

We were not given the choice a second time, despite purposefully quoting your party post again.

[The Cabal]

-Luke for both of the above

[The Cabal]

I am leaning town on hem and jjh so far

-Luke

Oh no.

[The Cabal]

I am leaning town on hem and jjh so far

-Luke

I don’t know this person.
-Bell

[The Cabal]

Forst.
Well that was productive

Nobody died. Hmm.
@ everyone that voted ITF, why were you guys confident they were scum?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

I already answered this. We show up as Admin in any circumstance which reveals our alignment.

lmao this includes our own n1 results, that really aren't that investigative.

We used an Oracle-like ability last night. When we use this, Anix tells us something true about the gamestate. We don't ask a question, we just get a true tidbit guaranteed to be accurate when we receive it if not before or after. It can be useful, or not. Sound like it’s a random fact about the gamestate at that time.

Unless our ability was messed with.

But I don't think it was messed with last night.

We got the tidbit shortly after we pmed him that we'd use the oracle-ish ability. NOT at the end of the night, for whatever that's worth.

In our oracle results we learned that besides ourselves (lol)

there is one admin aligned player still left

.

I'm very curious how this game is lolbalanced, since ITF's flip looks like the scumkill could be gated for the whole team, not just ITF. In thinking about the game overnight, I had a feeling that one scum player can post in the PT at night, and the other can post in it during the day. Making it a lot harder to coordinate and plan.



Short day, but I don't really get partner feels from others' posting. Maybe the 2nd scum is in Klick/zefiend. Maybe I should be getting some partner feels that I didn’t.

[The Cabal]

I refuse to believe my D1 scum read is correct.

-Bell.

[The Cabal]

I'm not sure this is a good idea, but it's probably worth discussing.

If someone was responsible for it only taking five votes to elim yesterday, should they claim that today?

If not, I suppose we should treat E-2 like E-1 going forward.

[The Cabal]

Pooky, that probably means that if the warn thing is the factional scumkill, due to the quickhammer scum probably did not warn someone during day 1

i wasnt specific

i get random posts from the scum PT at night and there weren't any posts made in the scum pt n1 so i assume theres only one scum and whoever they are maybe they just didnt care about the game and didnt even submit a nightkill lol

cuz usually scum submit nightkills in their PT and when i asked anix if scum kill in their PT he didnt answer me

Since ITF couldn't post in the scum PT during the day, I'm assuming that the other scum can't post at night, like the abilities are interlocking opposites. One warns and kills during the day, the other at night.

[The Cabal]

@Skygazer, Dann, Pooky, HEM, WePick

Did anything come from drinking for any of you guys?

-Luke

[The Cabal]

I have a pet theory about drinking, but need more data.

-Luke

[The Cabal]

i chose smoke and it says you don't have an ability

This data is nice for my pet theory. Thank.

-Luke

[The Cabal]

We chose drink.

[The Cabal]

I wondered if your drink made our oracle thingy unblockable, hence getting a result immediately, not at the end of the night.

GiF recently used an oracle ability in his game design and it also resolved instantly so maybe not.

[The Cabal]

What jjh said.

Neither miller, nor scum, should get that result, so there is something going on

-Luke

[The Cabal]

No, we picked drink. No lies.

[The Cabal]

Skygazer, did you get multiple pms through your ability?

Specifically, did you you also get one that said that you don't have an ability? (HEM's result)

[The Cabal]

VOTE: cabal

lol,
And
Lmao.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

bastard game is bastard. More news at the top of the hour.

[The Cabal]

my action resolves in real time so im assuming night actions didnt affect anything

i got all of my results before night ended

Did you get one that said that you dont have an ability?

[The Cabal]

lol ok its just cabal

Does it seem like we just lost a partner to you?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Use context to inform your play along with your role.

We’re not playing like scum because we aren’t.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Okay so now we've gone round the circle, we have determined you got a guilty result on a claimed miller

i got an inno on a miller which would never happen unless they picked smoke and lied and said they drank

We picked drink and we have zero reason to lie about that.

-Bell.

[The Cabal]

i learned:
selfvoting does not impact dann's ability
cabal and i share a wincon
[redacted] about pooky
[redacted] about HEM

I refuse to believe you’re scum for this post. It’s too stupid.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Skygazer, I think that what has happened is that we picked drink, and that resulted in you getting this PM:

also apparently the quoting only works once

Because we also got a pm stating that for skygazer, additional quotes dont activate the power again.

Which, I thought was odd, because it specified you by name, despite the first one seeming to be intentionally vague. But thinking about it, it seemed like that was a direct response to:

quote this if you want to party

but when the party starts, keep in mind that alcohol brings the truth out and weed makes your more paranoid

Is this a one time thing?

-Luke

And now, HEM is saying that he got the result that you don't have an ability, which seems to be in direct response to this post (but lying, because he chose smoke):

quote this if you want to party

but when the party starts, keep in mind that alcohol brings the truth out and weed makes your more paranoid

is this serious

[The Cabal]

I want to see if I can reverse engineer, from whose pov each of your results are coming from, because that would mean that it could be a guilty on who asked the question.

[The Cabal]

Oh, your posts after I started writing that makes my pet theory not seem to work quite as well anymore.

[The Cabal]

Skygazer, I think that what has happened is that we picked drink, and that resulted in you getting this PM:

also apparently the quoting only works once

Because we also got a pm stating that for skygazer, additional quotes dont activate the power again.

Which, I thought was odd, because it specified you by name, despite the first one seeming to be intentionally vague. But thinking about it, it seemed like that was a direct response to:

quote this if you want to party

but when the party starts, keep in mind that alcohol brings the truth out and weed makes your more paranoid

Is this a one time thing?

-Luke

And now, HEM is saying that he got the result that you don't have an ability, which seems to be in direct response to this post (but lying, because he chose smoke):

quote this if you want to party

but when the party starts, keep in mind that alcohol brings the truth out and weed makes your more paranoid

is this serious

I want to see if I can reverse engineer, from whose pov each of your results are coming from, because that would mean that it could be a guilty on who asked the question.

Oh, your posts after I started writing that makes my pet theory not seem to work quite as well anymore.

-Luke

[The Cabal]

i learned:
selfvoting does not impact dann's ability
cabal and i share a wincon
[redacted] about pooky
[redacted] about HEM

I refuse to believe you’re scum for this post. It’s too stupid.

-Bell

sorry u got caught in such a silly way

We didn’t get caught. Your thinking cap is broken.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

I guess the logical explanation here is that since we have a user wincon that's what happened?
This game is confusing.

- Sakura Hana

[The Cabal]

what other facts were learned about me pls

Just give us time to dismantle it. Get your hand off the trigger

The idea that I have to kill you because you’re scum that received the true result and then shared it is too stupid to be real and beneath me.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

@Dann, does self voting impact your ability?

[The Cabal]

for the record skygazer, hem said he chose smoke.

[The Cabal]

i mean maybe rat is right and it's literally just the difference between "alignment" and "wincon" tripping me up

Due to the way our role PM is worded, this might be correct. Discussing with the other heads right now

-Sakura Hana

[The Cabal]

Get your hand off the trigger.
I will be pissed if I had to go to work and find us dead when I get back.

Either you’re scum or something went wrong.
I want to spend time figuring out which it is.
There is an angle for you here but I want to explore it.
But I have to look up medication side effects for a patient.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

My pet theory is dead

-Luke

[The Cabal]

Cabal, if you acted at night, would it have prevented ITF from daykilling someone?

I would not think so.

-Luke

[The Cabal]

@Dann, does self voting impact your ability?

[The Cabal]

Did your role pm lead you to believe that it would?

pedit: or that

[The Cabal]

Get your hand off the trigger.
I will be pissed if I had to go to work and find us dead when I get back.

Either you’re scum or something went wrong.
I want to spend time figuring out which it is.
There is an angle for you here but I want to explore it.
But I have to look up medication side effects for a patient.

-Bell

lol its one vote

Humor my idiosyncrasies. It stresses me out.

-Bell.

[The Cabal]

What ever the answer is, its weird.

Because, yeah, our pm says any circumstance that would reveal our "alignment" would appear admin, and not "win con"

But then we were told that our flip would show the admin win con, so lying about the win con is in play for the flip portion. So if you were to have asked me in advance, I would have said that a win con reveal would say we have the admin win con.

[The Cabal]

jjh, you have a role that is very funny to me

-luke

[The Cabal]

Going through our pms, we didn't receive any info about Skygazer's role during the night.

We did receive an answer to a question Luke asked about the drink vs smoke thing just before nightfall. He asked if quoting skygazer again would trigger another drink/smoke choice. The answer was no, but the formal way the answer was written *might* indicate this wasn't just an answer to the question, but is "information about skygazer's role".

[The Cabal]

^^

[The Cabal]

It might just be a coincidence that our reveal looked like it was an answer to my question.

I was just trying to come up with why the second PM was worded the way that it was, and that was the best answer I could come up with. But learning a fact about skygazer could also work

-Luke

[The Cabal]

Cabal, if you acted at night, would it have prevented ITF from daykilling someone?

I have no idea! But, from what's in ITF's rolecard and our role PM, there's nothing that explicitly suggests such a thing.

[The Cabal]

^^

I'm getting sloppy about signing my posts :/

[The Cabal]

some ppl should quote me and ask if i'm town

Are you user-aligned?

[The Cabal]

^^ sigh

[The Cabal]

Where is my child

Here I am!

Do you have a vote that counts toward elims?

[The Cabal]

It's a well documented fact I have no life. What I should have asked is if your vote would count if we weren't on evens.

[The Cabal]

it's not a question of whether your being able to vote changes the # of votes needed to elim.

It's if 6 votes are required and you vote on an otherwise 5 player wagon, does the player get elimmed?

(ignoring the 5 votes instead of 6 on ITF yesterday)

[The Cabal]

I wanna play mafia but I also want to AI chatbot with Teen Anix.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

If I give you a bag of gushers will you give me the low down on what adult Anix is up to?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

it's not a question of whether your being able to vote changes the # of votes needed to elim.

It's if 6 votes are required and you vote on an otherwise 5 player wagon, does the player get elimmed?

(ignoring the 5 votes instead of 6 on ITF yesterday)

11 heads on a hydra and not one of them can figure out how voting works in a Mafia game. The state of this site heh heh heh

I see you ignored my followup post.

[The Cabal]

How about rootbear and cookies?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Jesus Christ I'm here okay? I actually wanted to play this game for realz srs business and I managed to miss an entire Day lol. I did read Day One but I'm just getting a prodge in right now before I can properly start engaging. Oh and I'm claiming God, lim-proof death-proof and omnipotent and omniscient. So basically a troll bystander. K thx catching up now.

We must test this immediately.
-Bell

[The Cabal]

If you’re omnipotent can you kill all of us?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Dang you miss one Day here and you don't even get to RVS-post

Obvious joke about my role is not so obvious, I guess

Anyone ever tell you, you seem uncomfortable?

-Bell.

[The Cabal]

VOTE: Delinquent Anix


RE: E-2 for Zefiend. I have no comment at this time on this player. Not much to say yet.

I am more curious about HEM atm, but that’s just how I am.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

For future referece, there is no reason to vote anix unless you want anix to vote you. He has no alignment

The existence of the slot does block me from being limmed because he'd go in my place, so if there is ever desire to eliminate me, I will send him away

do you know if he has a real vote?

Yes, I have explained that he does have a real vote

This is what we've been hoping to prove.

[The Cabal]

^^ :/

[The Cabal]

why do you want to prove it

Because it's provable with little investment.

[The Cabal]

also

[The Cabal]

For future referece, there is no reason to vote anix unless you want anix to vote you. He has no alignment

The existence of the slot does block me from being limmed because he'd go in my place, so if there is ever desire to eliminate me, I will send him away

Any way they could be scum or is the wording airtight?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

That's not my concern. I just want to kick the puppet's tires, so to speak. Bell's a lot more cagey than I am.

[The Cabal]

Basically, the main impacts of AniX being in the thread are:
-If you vote me or generally suggest that I should be voted, then AniX will vote you.
-If you vote me out, AniX will be voted out instead
-I can permanently send anix away, and would do so if I was going to be voted out because while eliminating me is bad, spending 2 phases eliminating me is worse
-Things that target me will be kinda fucky in a way I don't want to explain

Disclaimer: Since AniX has been shown to have voted outside of the parameters given, it is not inconceivable to me that AniX might take the opportunity to lolhammer

Yeah I wasn't seeing how Delinquent Anix voting us fit the impacts you outline, and then I got to your disclaimer.

I'm glad we voted there, now. It's good to know he can impact the game in ways not delineated to you.

[The Cabal]

so zefiend is not actually god?

Any other gamethoughts?

[The Cabal]

Dang you miss one Day here and you don't even get to RVS-post

Obvious joke about my role is not so obvious, I guess

Anyone ever tell you, you seem uncomfortable?

-Bell.

It's my first game back on this site in years. Last time I came back I also had a hard time adjusting to terminology, meta, memes, etc. I'll probably never fully fit in, because I never stay around long enough. But scratching the old Mafia itch is something I can't completely get away from.

Okay. Any thoughts currently?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

sure I'll claim

if I *don't* get voted then the next night all night actions return a 0, this means they don't perform their primary function

if I *don't* get targeted with night actions, then the next day all day actions return a 0, this means they don't perform their primary function

I can choose one person each night to be exempt from this effect for that night and following day cycle

I assume I got targeted by a night action last night because otherwise I don't think jjh's day action would've worked and I chose someone else to be exempt

I wonder if our oracle-light would count as targeting you. I wouldn't have thought so, since it's gamestate info.

[The Cabal]

At least when I accidentally slip, it isn't posting my scum PT posts in GD.

Today is probably a good day for massclaim. We will be not participating if massclaim happens, because I said so.

This is not a joke, btw. I genuinely believe we’re at a point where massclaim will put us in or at autowin, I’m about 70% sure HEM is scum pending claims, and we 100% will not be claiming our role.

At this time I think we still have some room not to mass claim.

Can we just have human eating monkey full claim instead?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

unvote:

So votes on Delinquent Anix count for whatever that's worth.

[The Cabal]

i think dann, sky probably town. pooky and halfasleep town but less so because ITF is super bussable. jjh probably town too. zefiend questionable after rescinding plausible claim but folding when challenged. i'd vote there if i'm not scared of that ending the day phase immediately. I'm still waiting on klick.

What do you think of WePick? How do you feel about their claiming to have something they feel is incriminating on you? Does that make sense to you?

[The Cabal]

Are we certain that scum can’t multi-task?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

I got it now

Complaining is always the answer

What did you learn?

[The Cabal]

^^

[The Cabal]

Does anyone really scumread me here? I'll claim if people want to eliminate me but there's a negative incentive to claim right now.

They think there's a 70% chance you're scum and have demonstrated a basic understanding of common statistical errors, but they still probably made that statistic up

Still, yeah I don't ignore someone who has a tentative scum read with interpretable results.
I also think that it's better if you claim since they have the initiative than that they give you more information to work with, albeit, you did just give a small amount of information in this regard. I still think you should take this seriously.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

i dont scum read you HEM dw

Do you have a better lead?
I want them to claim since I think the suspicion, if not accurate, is probably, at least, valid.

There’s something that bothers me in that The Rat hasn’t directly asked them to claim.

There’s something that bothers me in that Hem is only kind of side engaging in it and has reduced activity after a possible guilty. Albeit might be life stuff.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

1. Asides.

A. How are wepick communicating? Are you guys using an app like discord or are you talking in a thread on this site? I’d like multiple of you to answer this question.

B. Assuming Pooky’s ability works, it could arguably outright clear them. As it seems unlikely they wouldn’t have made any posts in the scum Pt.

I get the feeling based on stargazer’s info that the mod likes to use loop holes or rules lawyer. So it’s possible Pooky’s abilities are useless, but it’s something to weigh.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Do you have a better lead?

zefiend

Why are they a better lead than a player that used an ability and thinks they have a 70% chance of being scum?

This isn’t really like you. I’m used to your general aggression, but usually you explain yourself more.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Nono, I’m the scum. Haven’t you been paying attention?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Well, not that I needed more evidence. But that’s a townie post that is.

I was more along the paranoid lines of like an executioner. Or something. Or some bastard element.

Or that you suddenly got better at mafia than me, which is unforgivable.
-Bell

[The Cabal]

Which posts have they made that are scummy?
I don’t disagree that they look sort of shifty.

But I’m more interested in HEM because it seems generally, to have a better chance.

-Bell.

[The Cabal]

I drank obviously. Still no response.

Is there a reason the 70% value is being given or...?

I liked jj's activity day One, it's since fallen off. Is everyone really just waiting around for sky's stuff to happen?

And for Klick to show up or be replaced.

And for someone to blink in the WePick/HEM staredown.

[The Cabal]

VOTE: HEM

-Bell

[The Cabal]

I request that HEM give a full claim.
Or they die
Either or and

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Almost exclusively?

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Well, all aboard the HEM train. Need to force him to claim then. I find it more likely that we pick is town than that HEM is. So they claim first and we pick should reveal nothing until that full claim occurs.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

i will not full claim until it's absolutely necessary. make it absolutely necessary and then we talk, but by then i should warn people that there's a negative incentive in doing that.

There’s one scum left. Any negative incentive needs to be weighed against the fact that we’re at an advantage.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Assuming Anix did not lie to us, which he totally could’ve. Bastard games man, what can ya do.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

i don't trust like that. get dann or sky to agree and then we talk.

I don’t care. I want this.
Full claim please.

Thank you.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

baby, you're just one in eleven heads and a slot in ten players. i can wait.

Bby you make me feel so smol. We’re breaking up.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

baby, you're just one in eleven heads and a slot in ten players. i can wait.

A vote is a vote regardless of number of heads.

Of the heads that are active in our discord at the moment, we all endorse this vote. That would be Bell, LLD and me.

I don't expect the other heads to put on the brakes.

[The Cabal]

I guess WePick's vague "70% chance HEM is scum" thing reads to me like a pocket read they hope becomes more clear mechanically, i kinda think they'd be more upfront if they had something like a soft guilty

which is not to diminish WePick's read, but I don't particularly have an opinion on HEM and I have a selfish interest in MY pocket read being correct

as far as Zefiend, their awkwardness could be attributable to this being their first game back on this site in years, I don't deny that

but i think they kinda overreact to suspicion while trying to maintain a jokey demeanor in [posst]471[/post]. that cross of being genuinely annoyed by someone taking your RVS post as suspicious while still trying to be like "lol idc im jsut being silly" is the type of contradiction that comes from scum a lot. you'll see townies drop the playful tone and just get annoyed, or stay playful and not seem annoyed at all, but scum ends up doing both a lot of the time

also idk what they are saying in 548. it's hard to figure out what position they actually have and it reads appeasey. like yes they don't mind mass claim but also they don't want to claim but yes they realize that's suspicious but maybe someone smart can figure out how to work around it. idgi

This is all a fair explanation. I'm trying to show intent on scum hunting and understanding the game but 1) it's bastard, 2) I legitimately missed a whole Day, 3) I reply to Cabal and get nothing in return (either strategically or because of having 11 heads)

I feel like HEM's done less than everyone to that end except Klick at this point so no problem going there. But if somehow Klick's role overpowers a prod then there is some serious bastardry going on.

I didn't hate your response, hence no followup from me.

I remembers a newbie game I modded that scum-you played a 2-3 years ago. Your play here looks more open and less agenda'd.

[The Cabal]

that's not an insult, just an illustration of how it feels like a bit of a nothing-observation to me

Nobody else had said it

Eh.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Sorry, have not been around, but my overall takes so far is :

I think that Skygazer, Halfasleep, JJH, and Dann are all town.

I think that the HEM stuff should be sorted, so our vote being on HEM is a-okay with me.

-Luke

[The Cabal]

This is my first post this game and I endorse the above.

[The Cabal]

Huh, so this is what it feels like to have THAT Avatar next to my words.

[The Cabal]

im gonna be honest iwth you all.

i lost all attention to this game as soon as little anix showed up

can i get a reason to care again

~fire

The sooner we win the sooner you can leave I suppose!

-Bell

[The Cabal]

VOTE: zefiend

100% confidence this time.

~Jingle

Neat

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Delinquent Anix is, indeed, extremely cool.

They’re dead after all and their corpse has reached ambient temperatures.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

In honor of delinquent Anix, I suggest we unceremonious bury his body in a ditch somewhere and go get icecream.
It’s what he’d have wanted.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

We also have been getting our oracle-like results in the middle of the night, not immediately before daybreak. I kinda assumed it was due to the game design having a vintage quality to it.

Anyway, our oracleish results were that of the 4 players who at least partially claimed on Day 2, one was lying.

The 4 were skygazer, zefiend, dannflor and jjh. We assume it's zefiend who lied, due to the "rvs" god claim or whatever that was that he later retracted.

[The Cabal]

That's E-1.

[The Cabal]

^^

[The Cabal]

intent to hammer.

I'm old school -- how about getting a claim this time?

[The Cabal]

I take myself entirely too seriously to swift hammer based off of a probable winning move just because there’s room for error.

We did it your way last day phase. Can we hear zefiend out and get their takes before murdering them?
We can still murder them afterward.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

I would like to concern troll for a minute, I’m very worried that this town doesn’t know what delayed gratification is. I would like you all to learn to enjoy the pain of waiting at the dmv like the rest of us.

I know, it’s a bastard game and I’m probably wrong and being annoying but gosh dangit. Well, not wrong. All is well with the world since it’s actually a rule of the universe that my first scum read of day 1 is always town.

I should have gotten a minor in accounting.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Won’t lie, it just feels like the mod is constantly giving us technically correct information to troll us. I love that. But also, I hate being taken for a ride.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

On the other hand, I barely know jingle but I don’t think they’re the type to fuck up here unless that 100% is real. Or they’re intentionally making a misinterpretation of their abilities as scum.

It fits my Gosh tell theory. Since I think one of the heads wrote gosh unironically.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Misinterpretation/unwillingness to critically examine their ambiguities in their role.

And no this isn’t me being informed. I do think, largely, it’s probably just a legit guilty. Because I don’t really think Rat’s play is scummy. Tho, I know some heads disagree. It’s possible it’s proactive scum play though, I shall happily admit.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Because I don’t really think Rat’s play is scummy.

I want zefiend to claim mostly to hold everyone accountable, including us. With unexpected hammers day 1 and day 2 I think we've missed some accountability we could have had with E-0 votes.

[The Cabal]

sigh

[The Cabal]

Halfasleep is letting their superhammer go to their head.

Fingers crossed

-Luke

[The Cabal]

Who did you redirect wepick to?

[The Cabal]

So are you a redirector (you changed wepick's ability)

or

a deflector (you changed an ability that targeted wepick)