Mini 708 - Cheat Mafia (GAME OVER)
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iLord Mafia Scum
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sirdanilot Mafia Scum
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You implied the miller (nat) is scum, nat says 'so that makes me scum [sarcasm]' gw says 'he didn't attack you for it' nat 'he implied i am scum' gw 'oh I didn't see an actual miller can't have scumbuddies' dgb 'oh so you believe the miller claim'
GW doesn't understand you and you don't understand gw.
Nat may be slightly overdefending on the trading with xtoxm part, and is majorly underdefending on the playstyle part. wondering why-
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DrippingGoofball Mafia Piñata
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What does Occam's razor dictate?sirdanilot wrote:Nat may be slightly overdefending on the trading with xtoxm part, and is majorly underdefending on the playstyle part. wondering whyParaphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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malthusis Mafia Scum
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My thoughts exactly.malthusis wrote:Occham's Razor dictates that the simplest idea must be true. This means that instead of having all sorts of assumptions, you use the simplest truth (ie. Nat is scum).
SirD seems to disagree.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Master Ruck Goon
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For now, just here to say hi.
I've read through everything so far, though I'm likely to do a better re-read later. British time zone means I'm gonna go sleep soon so I'll give my opinions tomorrow.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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sirdanilot Mafia Scum
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NOTE: For some reason I have trouble posting. A post I made a while ago just magically disappeared, and when I just tried to click the 'post reply' button I got redirected to the index (which is why I'm now using the quick reply box). If you see me disappear in the near future, at least you know why.
Hi replacements! Could you please make sure to pay attention to Natirasha's play while you are rereading? Thank you!-
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Master Ruck Goon
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SirD, your post dissapeared as you made it between the site down times and everything made in that gap is deleted. I had a PM in my box at that time and that's gone now as well.
Anyhow, I've gone through D1 in detail (I'll do D2 later. Going out soon) and to your dismay, sird, I don't find anything particularly scummy about nat. I know she's a good player and I'm not ruling out that her play is a very good scum ruse, but I'm more inclined to believe she's town and that she's a miller.
You, on the other hand, while not being obviously scummy, have tended to push some matters above and beyond the call of duty when it wasn't called for. It's not enough for a vote, but here's looking at you.
I'll make another post when I've gone through D2.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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sirdanilot Mafia Scum
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Not sure what you mean here. Also what are you thoughts of claiming miller day 1. Do you think it is a good strategy?You, on the other hand, while not being obviously scummy, have tended to push some matters above and beyond the call of duty when it wasn't called for. It's not enough for a vote, but here's looking at you.-
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Why is the miller still alive?Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
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sirdanilot Mafia Scum
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Let's hope they are on board with today's programme.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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I'm all read up but I have questions about the trading/cheating mechanics so I don't know what to make of the recent talk about answer #7, etc.
Firstly: I don't like miller claim's at the start of day 1, I don't think it's in the same league as claiming PGO, and the only thing it does is make me pay more attention to the behavior of that person (which in itself makes me wonder why scum would put themselves in the spotlight immediately).
Secondly: Based on the game's actions so far I think Sirdan looks scummier than Nat. Here's some PbPa:
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Other things I want to bring up:
Re: Nat's Day 1 hammer: Given the sequence of events I can understand not knowing it was a hammer. It doesn't look like a tell since the vote count was incorrect.
Re: GW's Day 2 hammer: I would think that town and scum in Ani's situation would act the same way; ie: picking at anything and hoping it would stick. It doesn't look out of character so was that the final straw that forced the hammer?
Re: DGB's 284: I don't know what to make of the idea that people start out with 2 answers as standard. I would think that an Armix-town would only give a confirmed correct answer to someone he thought was town, so I agree that the other #7 is probably fake.
@Nat's 289:StrangerCoug is not in the game so why did he trade? How do you not know who you cheated off of last night? And please explain which numbers you traded/cheated each time so we can follow this fake #7.
@Malt's 289:Would an explanation (partial or full) help the town here? How much to catch scum?
@Sirdan's 298:Would an explanation (partial or full) help the town here? How much to catch scum?
And I have a few suspicions after Sirdanilot but they are not strong enough for a vote:
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iLord Mafia Scum
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What I mean by this is that I find, to some extent, your arguments against ani to be reasoned, but you push too far and argue beyond what is needed. You make your point very clearly that you don't allow newbies to make that kind of mistake, but you push it so far it gets old and strange as to why you would push it so much.sirdanilot wrote:
Not sure what you mean here. Also what are you thoughts of claiming miller day 1. Do you think it is a good strategy?You, on the other hand, while not being obviously scummy, have tended to push some matters above and beyond the call of duty when it wasn't called for. It's not enough for a vote, but here's looking at you.
As for claiming miller D1, I endorse it. I've been playing mafia on another board where I was scum and scanned so I had to claim miller. I argued too much and it got me lynched, but one of the townies had a big go at me before my death asking why I didn't role claim D1 and save all of this trouble. If Nat is truly the miller, which I believe, then waiting for any kind of cop scan on him before claiming will bring suspicion to everyone instantly by saying that the claim seems too convenient. Sure Nat may have said something that makes him suspicious, but so does everyone at one point so I believe his claim and that he's town.
Besides, at the point we're at it's too dangerous to risk lynching him as, if he is a miller, then we've lost one more town and we're that bit closer to losing. Right now we're better off looking for more scum.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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A few things.
1. To sird, I will have a seperate post talking to you. However, after that *last* game, I no longer respond/believe in PBPAs except from the most highest tiered players, which I am unsure you are yet.
2. If I am miller/PGO/bad townie role, I claim D1 on principle. Especially after Vollkan showed that it can easily break setups when done correctly.
3. DGB--you and I are really similar players, aren't we?
4. If one of those answers is wrong, I do not know. Like I said, having all but two questions, they start to get muddled.
5. I meant animorpherv1, not StrangerCoug. Their avatars have a similar composition and coloring, sorry for that inconvienance. Also, on further review, it seems I did...not...cheat...last night..?Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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A) Oh wow, that's such a scum tell. I bolded a light FoS. Sorry scumteam. Should I claim now?Jahudo wrote:Secondly: Based on the game's actions so far I think Sirdan looks scummier than Nat. Here's some PbPa:
B) I have, look:
A) Oh come on, I posted my case on animorpher earlier. Point invalid.
B) Huh? How did I misread this? Isn't this exactly what I meant? That DH claimed miller?
Oh come on are we going through this all again? Read my discussions with Dattebayo on why I thought he was scummy. Okay, I was wrong. Does this make me scum? No. Since I happen to be town, I don't know the alignments of the players. That's the point of the game, really.
I didn't think of that his role implied he had most answers wrong. Anyway, he did have two right answers so how would that have cleared him?
A) I know this via PMs. I think I may actually reveal the PMs at some point. I am sure that they will be quite persuasive.
Vote: Sirdanilot
B)
this is what he said. He didn't say anything about which day he was talking about.Additionally, I am not setting any alerts. Anyone who wants to cheat off me can.
C) Sure let Nat defend this.
D) Sure let Nat defend this.
Until Nat defends himself, I feel that my points are valid. Burden of proof is with him to disprove my points now.
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