Martyr Mafia - Game Over

[Jebus]

Vote: DGB

obvscum

So wait, what should we be voting for as scum?

Where to go. We could try finding the cult leaders, which would leave only agnostics. We also have to get rid of god, as our win condition says, though that may be hard, as he is basically an SK - he only cares about killing his target, and he's got no partners, thus much less chance of making scum slip-ups.

If we kill the cult leaders, this may be a sort of indirect way of killing God - He knows who the cult leaders are, it may help us in the finding of god.

I'm still unsure of what direction we should take.

Vote: Populartajo

, anyway, for making me think too much. (Z didn't really have much to do with it, I just happened to quote him.)

[Jebus]

mask_man enters a room filled with random votes, with his super-hero mask hiding his role from others.
He soon breaks up in laughter, and also feels bad for himself...

"So," he said,
"I thought the Que topic was going to move into a game >_>"

anyway, playing agnostic kinda doesn't seem right,
think, at min there will be 9 agnostics next day(For the sake of not being retarded, I assume the min is 10,

I wouldn't be so fast to use a one-shot kill =P

) and 3 cult members, then 6 cult members and only 6 or 7 agnostics.

I would rather assume that I will be converted then attempt to lynch god.
And while we are still in the proper phase,

!'random' vote MyKonian

[Jebus]

Bolded the above. Am I the only one who caught this and was wondering about it?

[Jebus]

So then, Jebus, are you outing what you suspect to be Nietzche?

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

No, I'm just wondering what that was. I don't see how it can be stretched to that with no middle-ground.

[Jebus]

unvote. vote: zakeri.

I support this.

unvote, vote: zakeri

Even though I don't see how the initial comment by Jebus was necessary, I don't see how he could've interpreted mm's line as a Nietzsche-slip, and even if he did, I don't see why he would openly fish for something like that.

+1

Unvote Vote:Zakeri.

This^

unvote, Vote: Zakeri

[Jebus]

unvote, Vote: Zakeri

Am I the only one who caught this and was wondering about it?

How about you say what you believe?

Sometimes I feel like Jebus doesn't answer my prayers

I is sorry D:

anyway, playing agnostic kinda doesn't seem right,
think, at min there will be 9 agnostics next day(For the sake of not being retarded, I assume the min is 10, I wouldn't be so fast to use a one-shot kill =P) and 3 cult members, then 6 cult members and only 6 or 7 agnostics.

I thought that the "I wouldn't be so fast to use a one-shot kill" line meant that he had a one-shot kill to not be so fast to use. I didn't see it right away, but I can see how it could be easily taken as "If I were Nietzche..."

That was it. Really nothing to say there.

[Jebus]

Jahudo's WIFOM (letting christian out), is far to obvious.

It was a joke because Jebus sounds like Jesus who Jews/Muslims would only worship ironically.

Storytime: My name here was going to be God, for the obvious reasons (seriously, who

wouldn't

want to be God?). Then I ended up with Jebus, which wasn't actually meant as a religious pun, but a spin-off of an odd nickname I gave one of my friends. Not sure how I ended up with it, but whatever

Agnostics do not want to out Nietzche. Therefore I don't think Jebus is agnostic.
I'm also suspicious of maskman for stating that he doesn't feel right playing as an agnostic, which suggests that he is not an agnostic.

You can't actually make any sort of conclusion from this - it's a pure "it might be, but it also might not be" situation.

I didn't call that out searching for Nietzsche, I called it 'cause I though it was... well, weird.

Really, though, I don't think it makes a difference - I'm definitely not the only one who caught it (though I am the only one who brought it up).

Either way, like I said, it doesn't hold much at all. It was just something I saw that I brought up.

Oh, and if I didn't make it clear before, my vote on Zakeri was mostly OMGUS.

[Jebus]

DGB: You're right! I'm the islam cult leader. Lynch me now!

ohai

unvote
Vote: zwetschenwasser

[Jebus]

Indeed this setup is not a normal cult;

tbh(and no jebus, this is no more of a god then the other conspiracy) If I were god, I would feel rather town until all the A's gathered and played like townies.

Not to be picky, but "If I were..." statements almost never fly for me. That, coupled with the fact that your wording is confusing, sort of scares me.

[Jebus]

There are valuable bits of information in these attacks on me, however, and I do think I can make an educated guess on the affiliation of some people.

Care to share?

[Jebus]

There are valuable bits of information in these attacks on me, however, and I do think I can make an educated guess on the affiliation of some people.

PLZ TELL MEZ. I HAZ 2 NO HU TEH OTHER CULT PEEPS R SO I CAN HAZ LYNCHZ0R THEM

1) Your twisting of my words here is, needless to say, very unhelpful.
2) Why would it be a bad idea to ask who someone's suspects are if they say they have suspects? Please explain this to me.

And nothing to say regarding the "If I were..." statement?

[Jebus]

Thank you pop! Care to explain to the world why I'm an obvious agnostic?

Only a retarded cult leader or a retarded God can dare the whole town to lynch him in D1 (policy reasons, antitown behaviour, etc). Or a genious and I dont think you are that good. (Are you an alt of someone?) I buy that making fun of things can be a lifestyle. And meta reasons.

And it's exactly this logic that gets me killed every time. As in, very bad logic, even for this setup.


So I ignore this altogether (as much as I hate it) and assume it's a joke. I thought I unvoted zwet already, but either way,

unvote

[Jebus]

How can God be scum?

We are agnostic. We win if we stay agnostic. Cults lose if God dies. Cults stop us from being agnostic. Cults win if we kill the leaders of the other two cults. Therefore the only way for us agnostics to win is to kill god.

The question scares me.

[Jebus]

I think we can say that someone that has claimed cult till now, can't be god. God would never wifom us that way, as it would make people look at him. He doesn't want to be in the center of the attention

No, we can't.


I'm also not sure why I haven't yet unvoted zwet.

unvote, Vote: myko

[Jebus]

I'm God! Lynch me now!

Are you f***ing serious?

Don't be suicidal, get replaced. Don't ruin this game please

[Jebus]

I don't do this as well as DGB does. I'm trying to get reactions, not ruin the game. I'm not God, I'm just seeing what people do. Sorry.

This is a

very, very, very BAD

way to go about getting reactions - if you claim God (which is essentially claiming scum), you are pretty much asking to be killed. So play correctly (this means to think BEFORE you hit submit), or leave.

[Jebus]

If it's over, could you link to it? (this is more my curiousity than anything else)

[Jebus]

I'm God! Lynch me now!

Are you f***ing serious?

Don't be suicidal, get replaced. Don't ruin this game please

My first impression here is that Jebus is tired of people claiming scum like it's a joke, which can ruin a game to some extent. Since the first day is so important here I can understand why someone doesn't want to see careless play become an easy mislynch. I can't tell from this quote if Jebus knows anything about zwets alignment, but I don't think that's the case. It looks normal, if frustrated, to me.

Frustrated would be correct.

Will say more when I get a good chunk of time.

[Jebus]

so orton thinks jebus is so town he is scum?
I think he is just being amazingly scummy(Not recently, back around pages 7 to 9 at estimate)
As of late he got it together and made me change my vote.
speaking of,

unvote

Can I get some specifics? What was I doing that was 'amazingly scummy' that made you vote me in the first place?

Unvote; Vote: Jebus

for his reaction to my fake God-claim.

And what about my reaction, zwet, makes you vote me?

Mr. One-line Wonder, I'd like more please.

[Jebus]

I think Zakeri has more votes than Jebus right now, DGB. It's not opportunistic.

Unvote; Vote: Jebus

for his reaction to my fake God-claim.

And what about my reaction, zwet, makes you vote me?

Mr. One-line Wonder, I'd like more please.

[Jebus]

This wagon on me is total bull.

Zwet

- the one line wonder, as I've said before. Try posting comprehensively in more than one sentence, please.

DGB

- By your own logic, it seems that you, too, are bussing. Your stated reason for voting me and your saying the wagon on me is totally bogus just seem weird when put together.

ort

- I'll hold off on this one for right now.

mask man

- Who says I was trying to look town? I really want to see how this setup will pan out, zwet claiming God obviously ruins that. And aside from that, I'm no newb. Excuse the WIFOM here, but it must be said: I wouldn't do something as stupid as you make it out to be.

Semi-offtopic: I like how the number here fits the number of main scum. 3 CL's, and on God. Heh.

[Jebus]

Zwet: Notice all the one liners.

Vote: DGB

obvscum

(Not quite one line, but still minimal. And RV)

I think you're forgetting the fact that Nietzsche can kill God once we figure out who he is, without waiting for the never happening vote.

BTW, I vote DGB because she's been scum in the last several games I've seen her in.

Explain that thought? Why does being scum in one game affect one being scum in this game?

Um...Is that a scum vote going towards an easy lynch w/o justification?

Explain that thought?

Why are jebus and zakeri God/Nietzsche/whatever again?

Unvote; Vote: Zakeri

Why am I stupid again?

(Again, not one line, but very minimal.)

How do you change your thing from Mafia Scum to something else?

What???? YOU are the cult leader scum!

DGB: You're right! I'm the islam cult leader. Lynch me now!

What made you do this? I saw you explained, please do so again (in more than one line).

Wait...What just happened?

I'm not anybody, I was being sarcastic. Please don't kill me!

I enjoy making jokes in threads. It represents my lifestyle.

Unvote; Vote: mask man

Srsly?

(Same as the last two)
And explain please?

Why do we lose? Can't we just kill the last one?

Unvote; Vote Zakeri

Sounds like God to me... and Blood, STFU. You're being a royal jerk. Grow half a pair.

(" ")
And explain that thought?

Thank you pop! Care to explain to the world why I'm an obvious agnostic?

I'm fourteen and I'm a junior in high school, pop. You don't know me. Mehehehe...
And no, I'm not a recruit either. I'm a teapot guy. (Although in real life I'm Catholic)

(" ")

teapot=agnostic.

obvdoofus

(" ")

DGB is trying to lynch me with no good reason. That's why.

FoS: DGB and Double A

Explain that thought?

Bad logic? I don't follow you.

Hopefully he's not as nasty and unfriendly...

poptajo: My meta is posting short, quick things. Although they may seem concise, I personally do not prefer long detailed reads, as I believe that I can come up with my own conclusions and post them in a much more to the point, concise way. I only goof around when I see nothing to be gained by posting serious thoughts. I'm currently in nine games in MafiaScum, I'm modding a theme game in another forum, and have been playing the game on other forums for about six months.

This is the first post you've made longer than one line of text. And it actually has content!

I'm guessing agnostic, as he seems quite harmless... "Guchi gugu. Good baby. Pwetty AIIIGH!!! The #$%$#@ baby bit my $#!@$% finger!"

Explain that thought?

I don't like that pacman is pretending to be clueless.

Explain that thought?

I'm holding off on prying pacman until Zakeri makes a good defense. DGB, you were hating me all this time. Pacman isn't that good a reason to start buddying up.

FoS: DGB and Pacman

Explain that thought?

I'm God! Lynch me now!

Didn't you learn the first time?

I don't do this as well as DGB does. I'm trying to get reactions, not ruin the game. I'm not God, I'm just seeing what people do. Sorry.

DGB did that in another game...

The game is still in progress.

Ooh! Ooh! Pick me!!

Unvote; Vote: Jebus

for his reaction to my fake God-claim.

Hai, what? So yeah, explain that thought?

I think Zakeri has more votes than Jebus right now, DGB. It's not opportunistic.

Explain that thought?

And I'm seeing, plain as the sun, distancing from Jebus.

unvote, vote: Jebus

No opportunism here.

Explain that thought? I'm not sure what you meant by this.

My vote is not bogus. I got a WTF overreaction for my clearly untrue God claim. Jebus is bad.

It wasn't "clearly untrue" back when you apologized for it. So explain that thought?

Whaaa??? You're trying to get us into a major WIFOM. Why?

What was the last ^?

Here's the point: I'm not happy with you.
> You claim Islam Cult Leader.
> You claim God many posts later.
> You slightly change your reasoning to get on a wagon.
> You almost never post more than one line.
> You almost never explain your thinking.

So here's a little something-something for you.
1> Why did you claim the Islam CL?
2> Why didn't you learn the first time? Why did you go on and claim God?
3> Why do you jump on my reaction to your claim now? Why not before?
4> You say you're experienced as a Mafia player. This pretty much negates my feeling of newbiness from you. (Respond however you feel).
5> Your meta - You said that it was short, concise posts (that coincidentally don't have any meat/explanation to them). Can I get a link to another game you've been in (that's been completed)?
6> See the above quotes. Every time I say "Explain that thought?", please do.


*Jebus is getting to the explanation for why the lynch on Jebus is bogus. Next post, likely.*


Current thought - DGB is God. Zwet is Islamic CL.

^Though very likely wrong. I'd still like to hear what people have to say on it, though.

[Jebus]

and by asking these questions you are making yourself even more suspicious. I'm not that unclear, even with one-liners, and you make it seem like I'm actively trying to confuse people with undecipherable logic, which is not true.

For the moment, I merely have time to check to see if you answered - I don't really have time to figure out what answer goes to what question (basically, tl;dr at the moment).

Anyway, since when did asking questions make someone suspicious? I ask because I don't understand. I'm not accusing you of actively confusing people with indecipherable logic, it's just that with your one liners I'm having trouble following your logic, which I'm sure is true for others as well. So while you may not be unclear to yourself, something gets lost in the communication of your thinking.

Something like that.

[Jebus]

My response to zwet's response to me, and some other stuffs.

1> To act crazy

I'm about halfway satisfied with this.

2> Seeing how people went nuts over it, I did it again so I could pay attention to reactions

Why were the reactions the first time not good enough? I still think claiming God was going too far.

3> That's the only reason I'm voting for you, and it came after my God claim.

This doesn't answer my question. You had four posts in between your claim and your vote on me - all of which were unrelated to a possible vote on me. So I ask again, why did you take so long to come to the conclusion my reaction wasn't quite right?

4> You are correct

Fair enough.

5> If you don't believe me, you can go through the trouble of looking for them yourself. I just completed my first MafiaScum game (not other forum game), which was Election, and I was the town cop.

Acceptable.

6> I'll do some.

a)early meta justification for a random vote, mainly a joke

Still, you made it sound like your reasoning, and despite being early on, it didn't sound like a joke to me.

b)that was the thought. The vote was scummy, without good reasons, and opportunistic

'Kay.

c)I was very tired, and I wanted to be a little crazy, so I screwed around by claiming ICL. When I saw that it started some reactions, I did it again (this time to be useful)

Again, what was wrong with the reactions to the first claim?

d)maskman voted me for making a joke, and he said srsly?, so I did it right back at him.

Heh. Not sure I like this one, but 'kay.

e)he was being a jerk to everyone and acting like he owned the world and could just curse at everyone and act nastily. Venting my frustration at him.

But why did you vote Zakeri? That was the question - what's the reasoning behind that vote?

f)someone came up with the possibility of me being a genius that could use reverse-reverse psychology to make me not look like god, and then said that he didn't think I could be so smart, so yeah. I'm not god though, and the post amused me.

Sounds like WIFOM to me. And where'd Double A come into that?

g)DGB was saying that I was scum because I was agnostic. Hello?

(?) - quote this please?

h)g was the DGB reason, and Double A looked a little too noobish to not put some suspicion on him.

Skill level shouldn't affect who you put suspicion on - it's actions.

i)I realized Double A was a noob, and posted that I believed that he probably was an agnostic still getting the feel of the game and learning stuff. The second half was a joke.

Hm. 'Kay.

j)Pacman's actively lurking and I don't like that. I'm suspecting him right now, right after you.

Fair enough.

k)DGB crazily switched to supporting me. First she was calling me obvscum and then she started saying "good catch, buddy! You're right! Pacman is obvscum! Lynch him quick!" Seemed too convenient to me.

I see. Like him, though, I think you're a recruit - someone we don't need to lynch.

l)I've already explained that what I learned from the first time was that I could get some great reactions from claiming God

Same question as before.

m)I already explained why your reaction was strange. I thought you should have noticed I was trying to get reactions and just leave me alone, not ask for me to get replaced. That's a large part of why I'm voting for you.

I ask people who claim scum to replace out because it's no fun when someone claims scum - they're either scum and they've given the town a free scumkill (which is very much against the spirit of the game), or they're town and want to be offed. I'm sort of surprised you weren't lynched for that kill.

o)DGB called my Jebus vote opportunistic towards wherever the town was going. The town wasn't going towards you, it was going towards Zakeri, so DGB's point was flawed.

Not really - as I said, you waited till five~ posts later to vote for me. Opportunistic only because of the timeline - before, you were apologetic, and made no mention of my reaction until five posts later.

p)Sarcasm. DGB was being completely opportunistic, after calling me out on it.

'kay.

q)It is clearly untrue. And don't start talking about me being apologetic, because it was mainly meant to appease you from your overreaction.

Um... 'kay? Either way, this still doesn't answer why you didn't hop on my wagon 'till much later.

I think you could have figured out most of my trains of thought without this rundown, and by asking these questions you are making yourself even more suspicious. I'm not that unclear, even with one-liners, and you make it seem like I'm actively trying to confuse people with undecipherable logic, which is not true.

Again, as I said when I responded before, I wanted clarification - I had a general idea of where you were going, but I wanted to be sure before I called you out on anything. And questioning doesn't make one suspicious - you are unclear with your one liners, I'm not really sure in which direction to take most of your posts, which doesn't help me. I'm not saying this is a scumtell, I'm saying that while you may understand your thinking, someone else might not.

Current thought - DGB is God. Zwet is Islamic CL.

^Though very likely wrong. I'd still like to hear what people have to say on it, though.

Still looking for a response.

He didn't even give me a compliment.

Sorry D:

For the moment, I merely have time to check to see if you answered - I don't really have time to figure out what answer goes to what question (basically, tl;dr at the moment).

Oh, the irony of that statement: "The One-Liner" writing a post too long to read. XD

I know, really xD

yes...

Describe Jebus' meta.

Ortolan: Still waiting on this.

And DGB, this is why I'm holding off on saying something about Ort. Though as of now, I agree his vote is bull.

Lol,
now that everyone has had a chance to die laughing...
Jebus, the only one of your attacks on zwet which have really phased me are numbers 3 and 5.

> You slightly change your reasoning to get on a wagon.
> You almost never explain your thinking.

Go on, please.

Still liking the Jebus wagon

He concoted a huge attack vote post against zwet, which suggests he is sweating at the prospect of being lynched

Though that's not the case - I was pretty unhappy with not being able to completely understand where he was going with his posts.

most of this post is "explain that thought" with little real analysis. Yes zwet comes across as scummy (new), but unfortunately in this game you can't ride by on getting mislynches like that today, because we are only looking for one very specific scum playa. I think you're much more likely to be He than zwet is.

I wasn't really accusing Zwet of being scum, moreso I was asking further before I take it anywhere - I really don't/didn't expect a Zwet wagon, either.

This "bussing God" discussion is stupid. It certainly couldn't be the form of a normal bus- if God dies then they lose automatically. But furthermore the cult

leaders

have no particular reason to dissociate themselves from God- if they get lynched then they've lost anyway so they don't care if God gets caught as a result of their flip. Perhaps their recruits might care more. I am thinking in general the cults would react tentatively towards votes on God and if they looked serious/dangerous then start to jump in by arguing against them.

Agreed. The prospect of CL's bussing God is sorta rediculous :s

pacman:

Has 3 posts. A late random vote, a request for prods (ironic) combined with an FoS of ZSW, and a question of "What do we do?"

I've been busy, and I don't get this game.

Then replace out?

I thought Double A was pretending to know less than he did, with his "what's an FoS" and "I'm confused" posts. But I realized later that my thinking was really stupid, and he is just getting a feel for the game, so I killed my suspicion of him. And I'm definitely not trying to discredit the guy. I'm just pointing out my thoughts on him. If he comes up with good arguments I'll be more than willing to follow and back them up. Pacman, could you put that quote in context? I can't find the post where I said that. Why are you repeating your excuse of "being confused" over and over again? All you have to do is read the first post of the game. You are now more than ever, number 2 on my scum list.

Better explanation on Double A, I'm now satisfied. As for the Pacman quote bit, didn't you just say that you were referring to DGB buddying up with you using the reasoning as Pacman's lurking?

Is your memory faulty, or was that a load of bull when you explained it to me?

Maybe I should post here more.
I will.

Please do.

I don't think Blood is helping much.

Go on.

You don't like my vote, but you don't like my unvote? That makes a lot of sense.

Zomg. All this spinning is making me dizzy.

I don't like your vote because you just hopped on.

This

unvote, vote Jebus

I don't like your unvote because you just hopped off.

Thorough posts are not scummy. unvote

QFT


For Zwet - Just out of curiousity, who is on your scumlist?
For DGB - What was the reasoning behind your "These people are probably not God, and those possibly God?" list?


And for now,

Vote: qwints

- I like where this (to be) wagon is going, and Ting's 363 is a real kicker as well.

[Jebus]

Means "explain that thought further"

[Jebus]

No, I was wondering why those questions phased you.

[Jebus]

I was going to answer your questions until you asked "who's on your scum list?" Don't treat me like an idiot. You are scum. The end.

How the hell am I treating you like an idiot? I'm asking you questions because I don't understand what you're saying. What's so wrong about that?

And can you actually make a case on me with anything but the reaction to your claim?

[Jebus]

Wow, was I gone long...

Anyway, sorry for lurking for a while, but it was because I have this stupid paper do for the Model UN thing they tricked me into joining for.

I've considered the evidence and have concluded that Jebus has the highest chance of either being god, or his kid (because of his name).

So,

vote: Jebus

All I can say is

really

? You vote me because of my

name

?

[Jebus]

Yes! You are ignoring my case, which adds to my case, you didn't even try to understand what my posts meant, all you did was ask to explain when you could have figured out stuff, and call concise posting a case against me.

I could have figured stuff out, but if I did that, I wouldn't necessarily have gotten the right answer. You know what you meant, I don't.

And where did I ignore your case?

[Jebus]

Wait, what?

And answer that please.

[Jebus]

Answer what?

Who is on your scumlist.

[Jebus]

MY SCUMLIST IS JEBUS! THE END! Sheesh!

Really? I expected a list, not one name.

lurking is much more anti-town (agnostic) in this game

lolumwot?

anti-town=agnostic? huh?

[Jebus]

Oh, I see. *Jebus facepalm*

Post I still want a response to. - This goes for everyone, I'm not questioning just zwet here.

[Jebus]

Post I still want a response to. - This goes for everyone, I'm not questioning just zwet here.

How does this go for everyone? You want us all to answer for zwet?

I'll boil it down, there were only really two things I wanted a response to/thoughts on. Other than that:

Zwet - I was hoping for a response to every question I asked you there, which only make sense with the quotes, so I can't be bothered to post them again. (This is the majority of the post linked in the above quote)

Ort -

yes...

Describe Jebus' meta.

I was interested in seeing your response.

DGB - What was the reasoning behind your "These people are probably not God, and those possibly God?" list?

Everyone else:

Current thought - DGB is God. Zwet is Islamic CL.

^Though very likely wrong. I'd still like to hear what people have to say on it, though.

Thoughts on this.

And also, thoughts on the last quote, which was Ting's Post 363.

[Jebus]

EDWOP:

Mod, can we have a votecount?

This^

Random thought: eventually, wouldn't cult become the new pro-town and Nietzsche become the new God?

[Jebus]

I see. I've just realized something by re-reading the role PM's.

The further into this game we play, the more likely God is to be caught - recruits as well as the CL's lose if god dies, so it is indeed a very finely balanced setup, assuming us agnostics play competently enough to pick out recruits/CL's.

And Myko the recruit/would-be-recruit, playing as a would-be is a bad idea. Don't do it.

[Jebus]

And Myko the recruit/would-be-recruit, playing as a would-be is a bad idea. Don't do it.

I'm sorry? At least accuse me of bad play, and point out why. I know I'm not the best town, but really, I'm trying. (apart from the obvious inactivity: that was just my fault, no excuses. It should not be part of my play)

I've yet to accuse you of it, I was just saying it was a bad idea, since you seemed to be hinting at playing like that in your last post.

[Jebus]

Theory be said, I've never been one to play that way. For example, I try to play the same from one game to another (with the exception of changes in playstyle). Even in a game like this, if I were a CL/recruit/God, I'd probably do the same thing I'm doing now.

Now Wifom aside, I believe I've made my point. While it makes sense for cults+god to lurk, we can't take it as a given, but more use it as a dependent tell.

[Jebus]

Yes, but the only claims possible would sound like any of the following:

I am God
I am the [religion] Cult Leader
I am a cult recruit of [religion]
I am an agnostic
I am Nietzsche

Hopefully we won't see the last one, and the first two have, sadly, already been said, though should still be unexpected.

Then we have recruit and agnostic, both of which aren't terrible things to claim - lynching a recruit would be a waste of a lynch, we've got bigger fish to fry. As for claiming agnostic, that's the same as claiming vanilla.

Either way, asking for a claim in an open game such as this will not have the results you are looking for, zwet.

[Jebus]

Jebus just singlehandedly massclaimed. lol.

I'm sigging this xD

Is it possible we could get a votecout + global prod? Lots of people seem relatively inactive, and I don't know where we stand on votes D:

[Jebus]

Please explain your Double A vote, besides active lurking. And I do find that Jebus phrase quite incriminating, but pacman's really being worse right now.

Which phrase?

[Jebus]

That blatant Wifom was to make a point - we can't use lurking as a scumtell independently. Don't be selective with your quoting, this came right after it:

Now Wifom aside, I believe I've made my point. While it makes sense for cults+god to lurk, we can't take it as a given, but more use it as a dependent tell.

[Jebus]

Did I just miss something here?

Care to explain what you mean by that, Zwet?

[Jebus]

You're missing the point - I said that I play the same in a scum role as I would in a town role. This is normally a given, is it not?

The point was that a person who lurks isn't necessarily scum, and lurking can't be used as a scumtell on its own.

Read carefully, I guess, or ask for clarification before jumping on something.

I want more posts from Ting, and Zakeri + All the other lurkers.

This^

Though looking at content, we could use a serious boost from just about everyone.

[Jebus]

That blatant Wifom was to make a point - we can't use lurking as a scumtell independently. Don't be selective with your quoting, this came right after it:

Now Wifom aside, I believe I've made my point. While it makes sense for cults+god to lurk, we can't take it as a given, but more use it as a dependent tell.

As you can see, X's case on scum omitted this quote, which Jebus pointed out. X selectively ignored relevant Jebus posts.

Oooh, now X has a context scumtell.

Is it me, or do zwet's 471 and 485 (which both refer to the same post) explicitly contradict themselves?

[Jebus]

Oh, and EA - 490 is nice, sure, but could I get your explicit reasoning why Zakeri is definitely god? Examples/etc? One quote isn't quite good enough for me.

[Jebus]

Jebus, 485 is my explanation for 471.

Re-word 471 for me? I'm not really sure how that was meant.

I can come to:
1) "Now X has a context scumtell on Jebus."
2) "Now there is a context scumtell on X."

And probably more, if I think about it.

[Jebus]

And for Pacman, Zwet, and EA - what do you think of qwints right now?

[Jebus]

And I never said that Jebus has a context scumtell. You're putting words in my mouth. +scumpoints.

Wait, what?

And respond to my 501 please? What did you mean by your 471?

[Jebus]

VOTECOUNT NEEDED

[Jebus]

I don't understand what Jebus is asking, and I'm not letting Pacman off the hook. Not by a long shot.

And I'm not letting you off the hook either.

That blatant Wifom was to make a point - we can't use lurking as a scumtell independently. Don't be selective with your quoting, this came right after it:

Now Wifom aside, I believe I've made my point. While it makes sense for cults+god to lurk, we can't take it as a given, but more use it as a dependent tell.

As you can see, X's case on scum omitted this quote, which Jebus pointed out. X selectively ignored relevant Jebus posts.

Oooh, now X has a context scumtell.

Is it me, or do zwet's 471 and 485 (which both refer to the same post) explicitly contradict themselves?

If the two posts do not contradict each other, what did you mean by your 471?

[Jebus]

Finally free from the hectic schedule that is helping organise Valentine's Day events...

I'll do a re-read, and give a post later on. Meanwhile, if anyone wishes for my opinion, feel free to ask.

What do you think of qwints?

[Jebus]

Jebus, X accused you with a quote, and you pointed out that you had deincriminating quotes in between X's picks, hence the context scumtell. I fail to see what's so hard to understand.

It wasn't hard to understand, I just wanted your meaning of 471 before I jumped in misinformed.

Sarcasm detectors tend to fail a lot on the internetz.

[Jebus]

w00t! I is replace in.

I say day 1 we try to lynch God, it's obviously the best strategy. After day 1, as many have said, it will be near impossible to lynch him, so we'll have to lynch Nitzswhathisname after D1 or D2. I figure by that time, conversion is about our only hope of winning. I don't want to read 20-some odd pages of posts, but I probably will eventually. If we had more than a week to deadline, I would propose running up random bandwagons until we get the reads we need to figure out who God and his followers are. But for now, I'll just

Vote: Double A

Batteries

because he posted above me.

I'll give you an update.

We are looking for god. If god is lynched today, all cult lose, all agnostic + Nietzsche win.

God is a serial killer that has verbal protection from three Cult Leaders and all their recruits. Cults win when the other two cults have been destroyed. Cults lose and are disbanded when their leader is killed.

Nietzsche, as agnostics, is someone we DO NOT want gone. Nietzsche wins when God is dead.

So hello Mr. Cult

What do you think of qwints right now? And ortolan as well?

[Jebus]

Suddenly I want to lynch Jebus.

unvote, vote: Jebus

Why?

[Jebus]

Suddenly I want to lynch Jebus.

unvote, vote: Jebus

Did God tell you to?

No, but there's a reason why he's active in this game, but not in others. Maybe I'm wrong about God lurking. Maybe he feels important, haha. And there's a reason why there's a constant low-grade level suspicion of Jebus. I'm starting to smell distancing.

The reason is because when I fall behind, I can't really say much without getting in the way, so I choose to stay out of the way.

Opposed to this game, however, where I'm caught up and come on to see two more posts rather than twelve more pages, I've not got time to go through pages and pages of game every day.

The biggest fear for me, in mafia, in fact, is the D1 burst where 20 pages go by in 12 hours.

And zwet seems to be going crazy. Yikes.

[Jebus]

It's pointless to vote DGB. She's already the prime nightkill target.

Why would God want to kill DGB?
Why would Nietzsche want to use his/her only kill on DGB?

[Jebus]

I'm pretty sure this refers to all your crazy posts earlier in this day.

Means unless you've got something to contribute/question, don't post. Being the person with the largest number of posts in a topic is something to be proud of normally, but in this case, a vast majority of your posts are simply one liners, and as I said, one liners may be nice on the eyes in the short term, but they hardly explain anything most of the time. Quotes/post numbers are necessary to know what you're referring to when you post. In a game where jumping to conclusions isn't a good idea, you can't expect people to assume you were referring to a certain post.

Aka, volume of content in posts needs to increase.

[Jebus]

Means unless you've got something to contribute/question, don't post.

I feel that we're giving some lurkers a free pass this way. There's a bunch of people who could be scum but we wouldn't know because they only have a few posts that are mostly fluff.

There's a line that can be drawn on how far someone can use that logic as a pass to lurk, though. For instance, pacman previously was well over that.

Qwints and ortolan are two other names that come to mind currently, as well.

[Jebus]

I don't see the case on quintz or ortolan. Jebus is God, Bloodmoney is Islam, and Pacman is Christian. See?

There wasn't much of a case on ortolan - I just brought him up. I plan on making one when I get time next.

Qwints does have a case on him. I'll repost this once I get a good chunk of time.

And I'd like you to restate your case on me as God. I can't find anything that was ever solid, I'd really like to have a "This is what we've got against you" rather than a "go find this, we've got something against you that we can't really back up due to laziness/inability to actually get hard evidence".

I can see the case on Pacman though - lurking and general indifference.

I don't, however, see the case on Bloodmoney. And again, please post/repost this one.

[Jebus]

Examples of where this seems scummy as opposed to just spazzing out at everyone, cursing at the world and seems too jumpy to be a normal guy?

[Jebus]

Many of my one-liners have meaning, pacman, more meaning than you might care to admit.

But it's choppy, and as I said, can be a task for me to decode without jumping to conclusions preemptively.

[Jebus]

YAYZOWR!

Your posts like this are seriously starting to piss me off. Please stop.

[Jebus]

zwet is obvcult and trying to be a distraction. Ignore him, he's no use to us.

zwet is scum, doubtlessly, but we can't conclude he's cult. Eg, what if he's god trying to seem cult?

Again, wifom to prove we can't be so jumpy to these conclusions.

[Jebus]

Jebus has constantly questioned people's cases for god whenever someone casts suspicion instead of refuting them. This indicates he's afraid of giving away too much information when adding on to these cases. Furthermore, he is too confident in his opinion of various players. I think he knows the cult leaders as well as god and is thus God.

Therefore,

unvote, vote Jebus

Questioning strengthens cases - if a case can withstand general question, it holds moderate weight to say the least.

And it's not like I've only been shooting down cases, I've also been building some up.

[Jebus]

Well shit.

Deadline is in two days, and up until then, I'm not gonna be able to do very much.

And where'd Zakeri go?

[Jebus]

V/LA = Vacation/Limited Access

Will post later...

[Jebus]

That's because that game grew ridiculously fast, and I ended up not having as much time on the weekend where I expected time as I thought. Shame too, it looked like fun.

Either way, avoiding talking about other ongoing games now, I'm a bit limited access right now, haven't had much time to read more than a page at a time, though I'll post a few cases I've got for you later today.

In response to that question, Qwints accusation and God's night choice, I'm not a Cult Leader. I'll have to read up on EA to see why God may have chosen him for the kill, but I'm pretty sure he didn't kill me because I'd probably turn up as lynch bait today if I wasn't dead, since he knows I'm not a CL. Actually, I am just a regular agnostic.

I can see very well why Qwints would say that I was failed to be recruited by him without actually knowing whether or not he was lieing about it. First, it would definitely make me lynchbait if I wasn't killed, giving God two potential agnostic kills, and making Nietzche closer scum (once agnostics disappear, cults become the new pro-town, and are against Nietzche). Also, it gives god a possible target to shoot at for later on, if not lynched earlier.

So right now, I want to hear a ton more from Zakeri, ortolan, and a few others I can't pull off the top of my head right now.

It would also be nice if DGB posted some real content, too.


Also, 18 alive. No christians, probably, Three Islam/Jewish, one god, one Nietzche, and 10 agnostics.

11 anti-god, 6 pro-god, and 1 god. Tomorrow, assuming no failures in recruits and one god-kill and one lynch of agnostic (worst case), there'll be 8 pro-god, 7 anti-god, and one god. Meaning today (and hopefully tomorrow) will be our last chance for killing god, maybe.

[Jebus]

Getting around to posting legit things here, but couldn't help but catch this:

So grow a pair and tell the truth.

Pair grown, and truth be told, I'm an agnostic.

As for why I'm not dead and why qwints wanted me dead:
>I'm lynchbait for today if I wasn't killed at night (since I've been 'ratted' by qwints as a failed recruit, I could easily be placed as god).
>I'm one more person that didn't seem cult to qwints, so he ratted me so God could kill anyone at night and get me this morning. Of course, God wouldn't know this, since Cults and God can't communicate out of this topic.

Also, after playing Hearts once or twice a while ago, I thought of this: for cults protecting God, we've got the benefit of fear - if one recruit is sacrificed to save god, it upsets the balance of cults, giving the opposite cult a benefit. Meaning sacrifices to save god won't happen unless it's do-or-die time. This noted in the switch from Zakeri to qwints, though I don't necessarily see Zakeri as God.

Then some unavoidable WIFOM, etc.

My general thought right now is mykonian, though I need to re-read on myko to confirm. But for the sake of having my vote out there,

Vote: mykonian

[Jebus]

I'm here and gathering quotes, I'm just not exactly sure why everyone, especially Bloodmoney, has ignored my claim.

[Jebus]

Firstly, it's not a lie.
Second, why would nobody say so then?

[Jebus]

Good luck xotelf.

In other news, Jahudo is not God.

Why not?

[Jebus]

I'm still here, and still looking through...

[Jebus]

It's practically undeniable to me that Jebus is a cult leader based on what happened during phase change, and how Quints reacted towards him not being recruited. I don't think he's either God or a Cult leader because God didn't hit him, and I think he's a Cult Leader because Quintz wouldn't venge-out God just because he was being lynched.

Re-phrase the entire paragraph for me, please.


And it's seriously obvious who's scum right now. So my request to you scumbags, stop getting in the way.

[Jebus]

Double A is definitely agnostic.

Highly against the thought that Double A is agnostic based on his play. Very indecisive at best, imo.

[Jebus]

No, I actually agree with that.

unvote, Vote: Mykonian

[Jebus]

There's so much wifom in this it's ridiculous. Off the top of my head, I could name some definite scum:

DGB
X
ortolan
zwet
hp [leaves]
packman
SP

And that's only off the top of my head. I'm willing to wager all of these are cult, if not god.

And due to large amounts of wifom that at the moment are driving me crazy, I've got nothing to say.

[Jebus]

Voting for cult leaderish people is a culttell

Can you say WIFOM?

This is why it's so damn difficult to find anything through this mess. Cults have it easy, imo :/

[Jebus]

mykonian is not god, mykonian has too many votes to be god.

This can become circular waaaaaay too fast.

[Jebus]

Well, shit.

If that was lynched, God has just won. I just hope you've miscounted, Juhado.

Yeah, I'm Friedrich :/

Sorry, I just got caught up again

[Jebus]

Where is Jebus in all of this? We still have a deadline 3 days from now.

At the World Baseball Classic. I got a chance to go, so I went. It was quite awesome, especially Ichiro in the tenth inning :3

Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Team Japan.

Anyways, I'm here and will be a bit scattered on activity for the next few days.

If Jebus is Nietzsche he either has to kill today or tonight.

If he kills today...
1) We have a chance to kill God.
2) We know Jebus isn't God or CL, which helps us make a more informed lynch.

If he uses his kill tonight...
1) We have a chance to kill God.
2) Jebus has 1 less person to choose from in his NK decision.

I think Jebus should use his day kill because if it fails to find God then we rely on town judgment.

Also back to lynching mykonian,

Vote: Mykonian

Killing today is pretty darn risky. We've got plenty of cult, almost half of us. If I miss, the judgement doesn't go to the town, it goes partly to the cult as well.

If I hit cult, there's one more town. If I hit agnostic, there's one more cult. And by the off chance I hit God, we win.

I'd much prefer to kill tonight. I've got a decent idea of who is God, though I've not specifically pegged it. If we lynch one of my list tonight, I've got one less person to worry about when I choose to kill.

Either way, if I don't hit god with the lynch today, or the kill tonight, I'm pretty much dead :/

Also, to all you cult that want me to kill right now, that'd be a no - if I kill now, I confirm to God that I'm indeed Friedrich Nietzsche, which is something I

really

don't want to do.

@ ort, zak and jebus: what did y'all learn about each other in mini 705?

Why did Jebus choose to protect ortolan on night 2 and 3?

I actually told EA to randomize it, as I was allowed to do. I didn't actually choose ortolan.


Here's the wagon on me: Adel, DrippingGoofball, SilverPhoenix, populartajo, Double A, hp [leaves], X, Juhado, ortolan

Adel is likely agnostic.
DG is very cult.
SP is very cult.
Poptajo is moderately cult.
Double A is extremely wtf.
hp[leaves] is moderately cult.
X is moderately cult.
Juhado is one of my God choices.
ortolan is cultish, though I can see him being agnostic too.


Oh, and before I forget, here's my Godlist, in order of godliness to townishness.

God End

mask man
mykonian
Juhado
Zwetchenwasser
DrippingGoofball
SilverPheonix
X
hp[leaves]
Zakeri
pacman
populartajo
ortolan
Adel

Agnostic End

And the ???'s, Indigo Heron, Ting =3, Double A, al kohaulec

Well, shit.

If

that was lynched, God has just won. I just hope you've miscounted, Juhado.

Yeah, I'm Friedrich :/

Sorry, I just got caught up again

Why claim something that would make you lose if you're not 100% sure that you have already lost?

Because I'm banking on most of you not believing it, though being cautious, if you want the honest truth. How else was I to get out of being lynched, anyway? Lynching Nietzsche is the worst possible agnostic move at the moment.

Also, more unvotes for fear of quicklynch, which I thought was the reality there :/

I did think that was lynch, by the way :/

Sorry, I just got caught up again

What do you mean?
Did you read page 50?
What pages were you reading?
Did you notice the vote count at all on page 50?
Why didn't you check with the vote count on page 50 to make sure I was not lying or mistaken?

I didn't notice the vote count on page 50 until just now after I re-read to make sure. It wouldn't have mattered anyway, I'd have been forced to claim. My backup was to claim I was a Cult Leader and recruited an un-recruitable Adel and Mask Man, and to check mask man to prove it, since he's up there on my godlist. I was pretty sure that would have failed though :/

I also could have kept up with the agnostic claim, but I'm sure everyone would have called bullshit on that.

Then I could have claimed recruit, which was probably the way to go, but I would've been bounced by a CL and marked for God. In that sense, I've got a feeling God will wait for confirmation before killing me - he didn't kill me last night, did he? And in that case, he'd kill his top Nietzsche suspect.


To Adel: Clicky, clue please?

[Jebus]

Also,

Vote: Deadline Extension

[Jebus]

I'll at least wait for Gurgi to respond to my request before I make any sort of move.

Also, again I stand by the lynch first, and my kill second. Note, it's still possible to lynch God tomorrow, agnostics will still be one more than cult in number, assuming one kill at night. It's not as last-chance as you're making it out to be.

[Jebus]

And guys, so it doesn't turn out a quicklynch, support the deadline extension plox? D:

Also, so you don't get hasty now, note:

I'll at least wait for Gurgi to respond to my request before I make any sort of move.

[Jebus]

I'm not trying to stall, I'm trying to avoid being hasty - haste makes waste, or so I'm told. We've got three days, and hopefully an extension. No need to push it all to right now :/

[Jebus]

Here's what I think. We lynch alvinz(who replaced Mask Man) today (

unvote, Vote: Alvinz/Mask Man

), I kill either mykonian or Juhado tonight.

Anyone (other than you culties) have a problem with that?

[Jebus]

SHOOT NOW OR I WILL HAMMER ONCE SOMEONE ELSE VOTES FOR YOU

unless Jebus proves us he is Nietzsche (or else), he will die.

if you don't kill today, you will be lynched and will never get to use your kill.

Insist one more time that you are going to wait until night to make your kill and someone needs to hammer you.

ATTN Jebus: Kill now. If you post in this thread once more and haven't made your kill, you are obvGod.

Lurking can save you no more.

ATTN Jebus: Kill now. If you post in this thread once more and haven't made your kill, you are obvGod.

Lurking can save you no more.

QFT. I'll lynch you too.

The people have spoken.

Plus, I don't think that Alvinz or mask man are worth the kill. Someone, please put Jebus at L-2.

Fine. Who should I kill then? Kill coming later (in 5 or so hours), whether or not I get the following opinions.

I'd like to hear this (who I should kill) from:
Zwet
Juhado
X
hp[leaves]
Adel
ortolan

Anyone else feel free, but I'll likely not pay attention.

[Jebus]

I didn't write down the post numbers or anything like that, and I don't have time to go back and find any. Sorry :/

[Jebus]

I didn't write down the post numbers or anything like that, and I don't have time to go back and find any. Sorry :/

It's at the top of this page and that's the link to it.

Basically: Why do you find these people god-like all of a sudden?

I've had my suspicions growing for a while now, there's a lot more than a sudden epiphany. Again, I don't have time to go back and grab anything.

For now, suggest who you think I should kill. I'm going to kill in an hour or two.

[Jebus]

I'm going to kill Juhado, any objections?

[Jebus]

Also, Adel, what's the keyword for your cryptogram? I'm interested to know.

[Jebus]

I've sent the kill to Gurgi, wait for him to get on to post it :/

Also, Adel, link me to what you used to code/decode that cryptogram. I'm interested to see this, since even with that key word, every decent decoder I know doesn't decode your cryptogram to that message :/

[Jebus]

Also, I suggest we kill mykonian for the lynch. No sense in killing a confirmed Nietzsche :/

unvote, Vote: Mykonian

[Jebus]

I've sent the kill to Gurgi, wait for him to get on to post it :/

Also, Adel, link me to what you used to code/decode that cryptogram. I'm interested to see this, since even with that key word, every decent decoder I know doesn't decode your cryptogram to that message :/

lol, that would be the most important question, http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/javascrypt.html

Alright, thanks

Also, what do you mean by the first paragraph of text in the decrypted text?

[Jebus]

(Also, unvote so our cultie friends don't drop the hammer)

[Jebus]

No, unvote for the moment. L-2 should be good enough for you.

Like I said, death scene comes when Kaiser Gurgi gets here, I've got no control over when/how fast death scene comes :/

[Jebus]

Oh, and I'm noting that Gurgi told me that Nietzsche can kill in the topic, so

Kill: Juhado

in case Gurgi checks here before his PM box.

[Jebus]

Well, I screwed that one up pretty badly. Sowwie, Juhado D:

My general vibe from almost all of your posts was that you seemed to be trying to seem agnostic as opposed to being agnostic and trying to look for God. I'd back this up, but I don't have time to grab quotes right now, or in the near future. Summary, I had you pegged as a God (70%) or agnostic (25%), with a five percent possibility of cult. I failed :/

[Jebus]

Crap... oh well...

Guess we'll all just get recruited by one of the cults and we'll kill each other off.

Hey, that sounds JUST LIKE REAL LIFE!!

unvote: Jebus

since he's God's kid and not God.

Right?

This post really bothers me.

[Jebus]

I'm going to have to go with Adel on this one.

unvote, Vote: Zwet

Also, I've found a click. (refer back to this after game over)

[Jebus]

If I was God, I'd make it my goal to act cultish to be ignored.

[Jebus]

Adel is was either one hell of a cult player, or culted last night.

My vote is waiting, I've got to see a few things first.

[Jebus]

Reporting in.

I'm gonna be busy till as late as Wednesday, but I've got something to say in the meantime:

16 are alive. There are 6 cult and 1 god out there. I'm Nietzsche. Agnostics are still the majority by a bit, and this may continue for a little.

So here it is - we seriously need to regroup.
To everybody:

Of every current player, which two do you think is or could be God?

Personal for me was already posted, but to repost it - either

Alvinz or Mykonian