Mini 736 - The Masonry Game Over!

[Juls]

Vote: Reecer6

for trying to fake being townie.

[Juls]

1. Lynch most liars.
2. We shouldn't be listing things for scum specifically not to do.
2. We shouldn't be listing things for scum specifically to do.
4. We shouldn't be listing things for scum specifically not to do.
5. This is not a newbie game.

This is way worse than what RF tried to do.

vote: alcove

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2nd that.

FOS: Alcove

3rd'd

Man up Nightfall! FoS pfft!

Unvote. Vote: alcove

[Juls]

the already-stated accusations

this

[Juls]

I'm sorry, does this game require only my vote to lynch? That's a new one on me. In fact, I put him at L-4. You seem to be the only one concerned with lynching.

[Juls]

Lighten up? It was a joke.

[Juls]

Really? "Man up" and "Pfft" are phrases that convey seriousness?

[Juls]

PRUFT = Power Role, Unlynchable Family Tracker


Scum!


(to those with no sense of humor, it is a joke)

[Juls]

Unvote: Alcove

Vote: Reecer6

Reecer, I don't know if you don't know how to play or just tipped your hand. I am willing to vote to try and find out.

IGMEOY: Alcove

(not off the hook yet)

[Juls]

That would put him at L-2, not L-1.

[Juls]

RestFermata....why vote Empking now if you have had these suspicions of him? It seems like you were sitting back waiting for someone else to vote so you don't look like you are leading the charge

[Juls]

I am going to have to make a friggin list! Lots of scummy things going on here (I am looking at you alcove, reecer, RF, Empking!)

I have played with Empking before and he has a tendancy to look scummy even when he's not. And based solely on the one game I played with him, he locks on to a player and he won't let go. But he has two contradicting ideas going on about his suspicions of RF. I cannot ignore that.

Unvote.
Vote: Empking

[Juls]

As scummy as reecer is he could just as easily be dumb-town. But I think Empking has been caught in an inconsistent arguement which I find more scummy.

[Juls]

Unvote: Empking, Vote: Reecer

That seems like a reasonable role. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt being so early on day one. If the mason's wanted to take a chance, they could recruit him night one to verify his story. If he is truly revealed as town to the masons that is great, but if he isn't they can push for his lynch on D2. Now that is a slippery slope because it runs the risk of revealing one of our mason's. It is for the masons to decide, just throwing that out there.

[Juls]

That was a BS wagon. We don't need to look any further than there to find scum. His role was legitimate and he should have been giving at least a pause to digest it.

Vote: zwetschenwasser

for being the most obvious in trying to rush the lynch. He was around and had opportunity to pause. Reecer is just an idiot but that doesn't excuse him.

FoS: Reecer

[Juls]

@Caboose: The problem I have with zwets is I believe he saw an opportunity to quick-lynch. The game was in its infancy. A role was claimed that seemed, to me at least, to be a legitimate and reasonable role that would exist in this game. This fact was either lost on zwets or ignored for the sake of a quick lynch. A quicklynch disadvantages town because the opportunity to discuss, communicate, pick up scumtells, etc. is lost. At the

VERY

least it was anti-town to quick lynch. But, I see him as being scum. A normal townie would have gave others the opportunity to think about this new information instead zwets decides FOR the town that it is a bogus role and puts him at L-1. And Reecer, being a complete idiot, hammers. I call BS. zwets is scum!

[Juls]

@skitzer: why do you think zwets does not need to be "looked at"?

[Juls]

I will be happy to lynch Reecer tomorrow on principle alone but today, I think the play is zwets.

[Juls]

My logic is flawed? You thinking the role was BS is irrelevant. If you were town, you wouldn't have put a guy that had just claimed at L-1 without at the very least a discussion. Especially when it could allow a scum to drop the hammer. What you did was selfish and anti-town. Reecer on the other hand is a raving idiot. And from what I can see he is doing this in every game he is in. I am contemplating if he is just some hack trying to spoil all the games. But you my friend, are scummy.

[Juls]

Check your meta? This is the first thing I see when I look at your meta

I'm scum. Lynch me now.

Looks like a sign to me!

[Juls]

In two games with reecer, he is useless....I am just gonna vote him in both and hope others will join me because if he is going to be useless we might as well get rid of him.

Unvote. Vote: Reecer6

[Juls]

Because I am in two games with him and he is really annoying me. He is a guy that tries to spoil games IMO.

[Juls]

Unvote. Vote: swets

I am not in as bad of a mood as I was yesterday so I am going to back off my lynch on sight mentality about Reecer...but I have to say, I am getting scummy feeling about RestFermata right now...your posts sure do seem like buddying to me....I can't put a tangible finger on it right now but I've got my eye on you.

[Juls]

EBWOP

Unvote. Vote zwets

mis-spelling.

[Juls]

Oh sweet zwets...nice try. I STILL find you suspicious for your L-1 vote. RF is giving off a scummy vibe but I am not voting for someone just on a hunch. However, you my dear are scummy.

[Juls]

See post 210 and 222 for why I voted you...that's the point, nothing has changed so there is no reason to repeat it.

[Juls]

That's your defense?

[Juls]

Did you read 210 and 222?

[Juls]

I already explained why Juls points don't take into account my true thoughts on our lynchee

You do realize how ridiculous this statement is in the game of mafia? Why in the world would I just cave on my suspicions of you because you "truly" (lies) felt it. You have not answered my concerns at all with saying you thought he was suspicious therefore you put him at L-1 or you did it for pressure. Not giving time for discussion was antitown and suspicious.

[Juls]

My vote on zwets stands. And now more than ever. If we believe Reecer and believe that zwets is scum then Reecer just brought in a scum to the mason group. I therefore think we should get rid of zwets post-haste.

Reecer how could you pick zwets of all people if you are telling the truth?

[Juls]

Juls, what kind of question is that? What makes me a bad candidate for a recruit?

A whisper from the past says...

Did you read 210 and 222?

[Juls]

Even if reecer did respond, and zwets is telling the truth, that does not mean that zwets is not scum.

[Juls]

Vote Zwets

I have found no reason to change my mind.

[Juls]

I would be completely happy with a speed lynch today because he should have been yesterday's lynch. Everyone was annoyed by Reecer and wasted a day.

[Juls]

My vote has been on zwets for quiet a while. My opinion of him has remained unchanged. I am not pushing for the lynch...I said I wouldn't mind it being a quick lynch if the lynchee is zwets. I think he is scum, what exactly should I be doing differently? It takes more than my vote to lynch.

[Juls]

Happy Birthday Jahudo.

[Juls]

Oh..well now that you have cleared it up...

Unvote

Vote: zwets

[Juls]

In all seriousness guys, this vote is a real no brainer. Let's think about it for a moment:

1) Puts Empking at L-1 AFTER his claim instead of allowing for discussion. We were not near a deadline so a rush lynch was unnecessary.
2) He was recruited into a masonry on N1 by Reecer. But during D2 he puts the hammer on him. This is so blatantly stupid and scummy I can't believe that THIS day is still going. Why is it blatant and scummy? Pretend you are zwets for one second...you have been recruited to a masonry that is in its purest form on N1 (i.e. no scum are in it). Why would you think that your mason recruiter is scum?
So there are two scenarios
a) it was a town masonry
b) it was a cult

No matter which way you slice it, it would not be advantageous to zwets to hammer unless he was scum!!!

If it was a town masonry, he has a confirmed town partner.
If it is a cult, his win condition would be with the cult.

I rest my case. My vote will NOT move from zwets until he is lynched. Won't you join me?

[Juls]

LOL...how convienant.

[Juls]

EBWOP...convenient* (butchered that one...)

[Juls]

Oh look..those two people happen to be voting for you. Do you find alcove and restfermata scummy as well?

[Juls]

Regardless...please explain why you would think that lynching Reecer would be a good idea. Why did you think he could be scum? If he was a cultist you would inherit the cultist win condition. There was no reason for you to believe him to be scum.

[Juls]

If someone can give me a logical reason why zwets would hammer Reecer (his mason recruiter) then I will remove my vote (Zwets need not apply). Until then, it is going to stay on zwets.

[Juls]

I am still waiting for someone to take me up on my offer in post 424.

If someone can give me a logical reason why zwets would hammer Reecer (his mason recruiter) then I will remove my vote (Zwets need not apply). Until then, it is going to stay on zwets.

It is one thing to extend the day for conversation and it is another to extend the day just to follow the mafiascum rulebook for looking townie. I hope those who are following the latter mentality think about if this is really productive or not?

[Juls]

For Jahudo

I knew he was a mason recruiter, but not if he was town or not.

Give me a serious reason why you doubted his alignment? It was N1 when you were recruited. I assume that there was Reecer and 0 to 1 other people in the masonry with you. I don't think the mod would give mafia the position of recruiter. Maybe an initial mason, but not the recruiter. Explain the logic that led you to believe that Reecer was scum. Did he say something in private chat?

Reecer was being wishy washy and dodgy. He seemed like scum to me, and I could definitely believe that Darox would put a scum mason recruiter in a game like this. It's not like the recruiter would turn his recruits into scum.

He revealed his role with a misunderstanding of his win condition...then he said he was town. Did you think that he was going to be that blatantly scummy or that he was a cultist? If he was a cultist, your win condition would be the cultist. It still doesn't explain why you would hammer your mason partner.

It seemed consistent with his playstyle throughout the game, but then he just went insane...

This is regarding a question of why he unvoted. This reason makes NOOOO sense at all. This is the unvote in question:

I don't think reecer cares if he's lynched, which is a protown thing to me.

Unvote

Guess what? Reecer made NO more posts between your unvote in 357 and your hammer in 359. Are we really having this discussion? Someone please vote for him and lynch him....it doesn't get anymore scummy. So you are saying that he went "insane" between post 357 and 359 whilst not posting at all? So fail.

Throughout the game he seemed nonchalant and didn't seem to care about the town at all. At first I took it as a town-tell, as in general townies don't care if they're lynched, but he infuriated me by actively trying to get lynched, which seemed like a ploy to get me into a WIFOM situation. Hence, I thought he was scum.

Not a ploy...Reecer is a bad player. He is a bad player in all his games. I pointed this out earlier in thread. Please just vote yourself. I see there is a game you want to join in the queue...think how much fun you will have! Die scum.

[Juls]

I REALLY don't like that zwets is still pretending like we should just believe he is town despite not providing answers to valid questions regarding his actions.

[Juls]

oh that reminds me...

Confirm vote: zwets

[Juls]

And considering you have posted nothing of substance since you have joined the game and have made two scummy votes it reminded me I needed to confirm my vote on you.

[Juls]

Definition:

nothing of substance

 [nuhth-ing uhv suhb-stuhns]
-phrase
1. Of or relating to posts in the game of mafia scum by zwetschenwasser
2. The contents of reasoning provided by zwetschenwasser when issueing votes.
3. zwetschenwasser

[Juls]

Discussion IS useless. I feel like people have extended the day just for the sake of extending the day. There is certainly no discussion going on. We should lynch zwets so that we can move on and find the next scum on D4!

[Juls]

@Max: Who do you find suspicious and why?

@Jahudo: Who do you find suspicious and why?

@zwetschenwasser: Who do you find suspicious and why?

@Caboose: Who do you find suspicious and why?

@RestFermata: Who do you find suspicious and why?

[Juls]

Can we go ahead and get this lynch over with? The game is pretty much stalled otherwise.

[Juls]

Go for it.

[Juls]

I have made a clear and full case against you....it is a case which you have not given me sufficient reason to doubt it. Therefore, I want you dead...yesterday matter of factly.

[Juls]

Really??? I'm not going aprecrazy??? Seriously???

[Juls]

It was a joke...he is in a game with my husband that I read. He called somebody else apecrazy in that game too. So I just used their response to respond to him.

[Juls]

Awwww....I was recruited for my hatred of zwets....but died instead.

I had tunnelvision but FFS, zwets you gotta play better as town...you were so friggin scummy!!!!! I had suspicions of alcove and he was who I was going for the next day...wouldn't have mattered though. The way he jumped on and off zwets bandwagon was very very scummy. I didn't want to mention it though because I wanted zwets lynched.

I really just couldn't get into this game. It was too quiet. My guess is because everyone except me (and Max) could talk in the masonry's and I was bored.

[Juls]

But can you not see that lynching a mason recruiter was a bad move? I would have respected you more if you had just said "I screwed up" instead of defending it to the death.

[Juls]

I don't know...townie is a pretty cool friggin role!

[Juls]

Yes, I am a scum's dream as town

[Juls]

Vote: zwets

obvscum.