Martyr Mafia - Game Over

[SilverPhoenix]

Double A, what is your role?

I think we should get Pacman to claim, as he's not the newbie in this scenario.

Vote: X, HoS zwet

Outright rolefishing? Seriously?

WHY?

[DrippingGoofball]

I think we should get Pacman to claim, as he's not the newbie in this scenario.

I support this plan. The way it's done is by piling votes on pacman, not by asking politely if he wouldn't mind claiming, pretty please.

[zwetschenwasser]

They're lurkers. We need to pressure them.

Unvote; Vote: Pacman

[SilverPhoenix]

They're lurkers. We need to pressure them.

Unvote; Vote: Pacman

And what does knowing their role have to do with that?

Absolutely nothing.

There is

nothing

wrong in pressuring lurkers, but by asking the question, you reveal your true intentions.

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't care about intentions, I just want them to claim.

[Indigo Heron]

Sorry guys, had an issue with posting on this topic (for some reason). It always redirects me back to the forum page, but it's all sorted now.

Anyway... either Jebus or Zakerai is going to be our scapegoat. More than likely one if not both of them are agnostic.

Freudian slip?

FoS: Double A]/b]

zwetschenwasser, your vote seems opportunistic (to me).

[mykonian]

Just look at pacman's total contribution. Only 3 posts so far. But already, there's a pattern that is unusual for him.

That's EXACTLY what I'd expect someone to play God. WIFOM to some degree I know, but that kind of very nervous lurking in plain sight, and trying very hard to escape notice and not rock the boat.

problem is, I could see and culted player do this also. Otherwise, I agree.

um, hi, I haven't posted since Tuesday so I'm obvGod etc.

I could vote for Zakeri (although I don't even remember the post that apparently makes him scummy), or Pacman, because DGB is awesome.

Jebus is acting like stereotypical townie "omgosh zwet, don't claim GoD!!! that is anti-town" which means he's probably scum but only has a 1/7 chance of being the scum playa we actually want to lynch

but still

Vote Jebus

hmm, great??? lets vote for a towny! Because he point out bad play!

I did the same, why not me?

FoS ortolan

and in 277, qwints hops on the bandwagon for this reason...

After the ting-mykonian exchange I expect God to be changing activity levels.

The Jebus wagon is lame, and qwints is obvscum for his first post in 6 days being nothing but a piggyback vote.

wow! sorry for attacking you before, mister agnostic!

How do you tell the difference DGB?
When a response is TOO town,
how town is too town? When the player

clearly

is making an effort to seem town, which jebus was doing.
He wasn't just having a normal townie reaction, he was making that statement for the sole purpose of looking town(which a towns member wouldn't do) and if he is scum, to redirect attention at the God claimer(which wasn't really needed because obv attention will be shifted like that, as it was, because we got scum reactions and later looked back at it.). If he toned the "WTF DUN U CLAIM GAWDZ0R" down to a "dude, wtf?" or something, it wouldn't be like this.

defending orto? maskman is antitown, but not god. after that, he jumps on Jebus.

If god gets bussed everyone who bussed him would lose.

You'd be surprised. I am SURE that that bus'ing happened already. Never mind the calculations; scum is foolish that way.

Whaaa??? You're trying to get us into a major WIFOM. Why?

translated: ****, she is right! I hope she doesn't catch god day 1...

I don't think Blood is helping much.

but he was: hello mister cult!

new scumlist:
almost everybody >_>

No really, I dare everyone to just glance at the last page, I smell rotten fish is so many pockets!

SCUM!

people, what would a roleclaim give us? (hint: nothing).

On this moment, I think zwet and maskman are culted, bloodmoney and Jebus as town, DGB as ???, orto as general scum

I wouldn't expect from town orto a weak vote based on unexplained meta, plus that it was on the biggest bandwagon: Jebus.

unvote vote ortolan

Sorry for being inactive.

[X]

Outright rolefishing? Seriously?

WHY?

Because there is 1 role in 20 that we don't want him to claim, and 1 role in 5 that we do.

And plus, he expressed the idea that agnostics are bad.

I still think Jebus is God over pacman. But a pacman lynch wouldn't be terrible.

I think we should get Pacman to claim, as he's not the newbie in this scenario.

But pacman will know what to do if he's town. Therefore the person who we are likely to get an answer out of is Double A.

[zwetschenwasser]

Aahh. I like how you think.

Unvote; Vote: DoubleA

That seems a little mean, though.

[DrippingGoofball]

That's EXACTLY what I'd expect someone to play God. WIFOM to some degree I know, but that kind of very nervous lurking in plain sight, and trying very hard to escape notice and not rock the boat.

problem is, I could see and culted player do this also. Otherwise, I agree.

What would be the motive for a culted player to act that way?

[zwetschenwasser]

To distract people from god.

[DrippingGoofball]

To distract people from god.

So you're culted, and you're trying to distract people from god?

[DrippingGoofball]

To distract people from god.

So you're culted, and you're trying to distract people from god?

Sorry, my brain wires got crossed.

Why would a culted player distract from god by lurking? What a boatload of WIFOM!

Occam's razor to the rescue, pacman is god.

[zwetschenwasser]

If you lurk, people notice, and you distract them from god. But you're right, it is WIFOM.

[Jahudo]

Occam's razor to the rescue, pacman is god.

Have you read or played another game with pacman in it?

Because there is 1 role in 20 that we don't want him to claim, and 1 role in 5 that we do.

QFT. Claims wouldn't mean anything to me in this game because there's no pro-town PR that should ever ever ever claim.

[ting =)]

People not on the spotlight but maybe should be:

Lurkies:

Sir Tornado.

He only has one post, a random vote.

MOD: prod please?

Indigo Heron.

Has said nearly nothing. His only post with substance pretty much just touched the surface of everything without commiting to a case on anyone. Has not bothered to vote. Might have a computer problem, which might explain his lack of participation.

Double A.

The two times he's voted, he's hopped on the person under the most suspicion. Both times without bothering to explain his vote.

Plus, my vote kinda was a joke, I was just bored. so UNVOTE: ZACHARI until I get a better reason to vote.

I've considered the evidence and have concluded that Jebus has the highest chance of either being god, or his kid (because of his name). So, vote: Jebus

I particularly don't like this post:

Anyway... either

Jebus or Zakerai

is going to be our

scapegoat

. More than likely

one if not both of them are agnostic.

I don't like the implication of 'scapegoat.' Or that he's fine with the fact that he voted two people who he feels are likely agnostics. I'm under sedatives now. I'll decide tomorrow, but I'm leaning more on him being VI than poorly playing scum.

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Other people:

Qwints.

Uber vote hoppy. His vote posts:

Well, this one is easy.

vote: Jebus

Good point Jahudo. Why the vote for DGB zakeri?

vote: zakeri

You claim scum, I vote you.

unvote; vote: zwetschenwasser

This

unvote, vote Jebus

Thorough posts are not scummy.

unvote

He only has two posts that have no vote/unvote in them. Neither of them bother to explain his votes. All his votes are just hopping on easy targets. Three of them on someone's tails. He's not bothering to hunt, just hopping along with his vote.

Erratus Apathos.

Hands up if you can remember his position on anyone. Other than zakeri anyway. Really weak reason for voting zakeri:

That's two seedy players who've both defended Zakeri. That suggests they're cult and he's God. Unvote Vote: Zakeri

The only thing I remember of him before reading back is that he popped in every once in a while to make the occasional short post calling for a zakeri lynch. Other posts: 1 random vote. 1 post that is mostly theory related. One post FOSing people for voting zwet after he claimed CL. One post saying why we shouldn't vote zwet. He's not doing any active scumhunting. He hasn't added anything to his zakeri vote. Active lurker.

Pacman.

Not hunting. Has a random vote, that's it. Hasn't bothered to commit to a case on anyone. Unhelpful and lurky.

Zachattack.

No active scumhunting. 5/13 posts are theory. Has been pretty much complacent with his zakeri vote after he followed jahudo on it. The only thing he added to it was his point about how people seem to be trying to take heat off Zakeri, which I don't buy for reasons I've already said before.

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I'm too tired to read up on the others right now. I was going to read up tajo, jahudo, ortolan, X and zwet because I can't remember their stand on anything. I know tajo hasn't posted in a while. Jahudo posts, but I can't seem to remember his position on anyone other than that he has his vote on zakeri. I can't remember what ortolan did early game, I know that he's pushing for jebus now, but I'm blank on how he reacted to the zakeri-jebus-mask thing early on. I'm relatively blank on X's stands, I'll have to reread him too. Zwet I don't like much, but posts often enough that I know where he stands on things. I have to reread him to decide whether my dislike is because of the way he's playing or because I think he's scum. I'll post again when I find the time to bother reading.

The others either don't stick out or I like. Or I forgot to mention them in the paragraph up there.

[SilverPhoenix]

Outright rolefishing? Seriously?

WHY?

Because there is 1 role in 20 that we don't want him to claim, and 1 role in 5 that we do.

And plus, he expressed the idea that agnostics are bad.

Just because the information is "useless" (as your probability analysis suggests), it doesn't give you the right to know it. Knowing roles is good for two people: God and Nietzsche. I'm not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are him.

I don't care about

intentions

, I just

want

them to claim.

@bolded


Once again, I must ask: why does knowing pacman's role do the town any good at all ever? If that was the end goal (i.e. he was brought to L-1), then what would his incentive be in telling the truth? Probably pretty high (especially if actually is protown). But by telling him your true intention now, if he's scum, it only gives him an easier time in lying. There is nothing good that would come out of a pacman claim.

[SilverPhoenix]

EDWOP:

Mod, can we have a votecount?

[Jebus]

EDWOP:

Mod, can we have a votecount?

This^

Random thought: eventually, wouldn't cult become the new pro-town and Nietzsche become the new God?

[mykonian]

EDWOP:

Mod, can we have a votecount?

This^

Random thought: eventually, wouldn't cult become the new pro-town and Nietzsche become the new God?

it is not exactly the same. Think about it: one cult knows itself, and therefor they only have to look at less players (kind of mason like), and they have some kind of "investigation". So no, it is not fair

I just hope that someone is the best one shot vig and beats the odds. It's a good thing he only really has to worry about one person: God. That is the only one that can kill him first. When being at L-1, he can always make the last desperate shot, and nothing can stop him then.

[mykonian]

That's EXACTLY what I'd expect someone to play God. WIFOM to some degree I know, but that kind of very nervous lurking in plain sight, and trying very hard to escape notice and not rock the boat.

problem is, I could see and culted player do this also. Otherwise, I agree.

What would be the motive for a culted player to act that way?

not to get lynched. Cult cares little about god: the chance that god dies is small. The chance that one of the other two cults win is twice the chance that the cult wins it themselves. In any case, it is most likely that cult wins.

[Jebus]

I see. I've just realized something by re-reading the role PM's.

The further into this game we play, the more likely God is to be caught - recruits as well as the CL's lose if god dies, so it is indeed a very finely balanced setup, assuming us agnostics play competently enough to pick out recruits/CL's.

And Myko the recruit/would-be-recruit, playing as a would-be is a bad idea. Don't do it.

[DrippingGoofball]

The further into this game we play, the more likely God is to be caught - recruits as well as the CL's lose if god dies, so it is indeed a very finely balanced setup, assuming us agnostics play competently enough to pick out recruits/CL's.

That means that there are a lot of players unwilling to lynch pacman-God already.

[mykonian]

The further into this game we play, the more likely God is to be caught - recruits as well as the CL's lose if god dies, so it is indeed a very finely balanced setup, assuming us agnostics play competently enough to pick out recruits/CL's.

no, I'm sorry, that won't work. It is more then likely that in three rounds
agnostics can only win by a great shot. Plus that cult making such a united voting block that doesn't want to lynch god, and agnostics are looking everywhere. We can't lynch at the speed cult recruits.

And Myko the recruit/would-be-recruit, playing as a would-be is a bad idea. Don't do it.

I'm sorry? At least accuse me of bad play, and point out why. I know I'm not the best town, but really, I'm trying. (apart from the obvious inactivity: that was just my fault, no excuses. It should not be part of my play)

[Jebus]

And Myko the recruit/would-be-recruit, playing as a would-be is a bad idea. Don't do it.

I'm sorry? At least accuse me of bad play, and point out why. I know I'm not the best town, but really, I'm trying. (apart from the obvious inactivity: that was just my fault, no excuses. It should not be part of my play)

I've yet to accuse you of it, I was just saying it was a bad idea, since you seemed to be hinting at playing like that in your last post.