Martyr Mafia - Game Over

[X]

Don't be selective with your quoting, this came right after it:

Now Wifom aside, I believe I've made my point. While it makes sense for cults+god to lurk, we can't take it as a given, but more use it as a dependent tell.

While what you said is related, it doesn't take away from the fact that you said that your play has been equal to your scum-style play. If playing like you are scum is not scummy, well, I don't know what is.

So while I did not quote the context, the context didn't make his statement innocuous.

Lord Gurgi should already know this, but I'll be V/LA up to and including Tuesday, February 17th.

[Jebus]

You're missing the point - I said that I play the same in a scum role as I would in a town role. This is normally a given, is it not?

The point was that a person who lurks isn't necessarily scum, and lurking can't be used as a scumtell on its own.

Read carefully, I guess, or ask for clarification before jumping on something.

I want more posts from Ting, and Zakeri + All the other lurkers.

This^

Though looking at content, we could use a serious boost from just about everyone.

[mask man]

Eveyone for the most part: Posts actively(on not so actively) with info and helping ect.
X, Ting, Zakeri: Post once every once in awhile with large posts.


And then there was the Jebus/Zwet posts for a short amount of time.

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't get mask's last post, especially the last sentence.

[Lord Gurgi]

It seems I need a replacement for Sir Tornado, now.

[ortolan]

What's with Post 425 by SilverPhoenix about "rolefishing". Only one player in the whole game's role can be usefully fished by scum... (Nietzschke)

hmm, great??? lets vote for a towny! Because he point out bad play!

I did the same, why not me?

FoS ortolan

acting like a stereotypical townie does not equal acting townie

On this moment, I think zwet and maskman are culted, bloodmoney and Jebus as town, DGB as ???, orto as general scum

This is stupid. The setup does not accomodate you describing some players as "scummy culted" and some others as otherwise non specified scummy. If you were agnostic you'd be thinking about whether we were cult, recruits or God.

SCUM!

people, what would a roleclaim give us? (hint: nothing).

This is also stupid for aforementioned reasons, and as X points out in the below post.

myk is obvscum but I don't think he'd be so aggressive if he were God so that isn't particularly useful.

The further into this game we play, the more likely God is to be caught - recruits as well as the CL's lose if god dies, so it is indeed a very finely balanced setup, assuming us agnostics play competently enough to pick out recruits/CL's.

Oh yer hehe we're agnostics aren't we

Theory be said, I've never been one to play that way. For example, I try to play the same from one game to another (with the exception of changes in playstyle). Even in a game like this, if I were a CL/recruit/God, I'd probably do the same thing I'm doing now.

I agree, this is exactly how you'd play if you were God

For whoever asked about Jebus' meta, I believe it was DGB and Jebus himself, I dunno I guess he acts in a kind of "innocent" way in general (not an insult). That's why I see him brandishing the holier than thou townie stick I get suspicious.

All in all very happy with my vote on him, he's more likely to be God than the other scum, mykonian.

[SilverPhoenix]

What's with Post 425 by SilverPhoenix about "rolefishing". Only one player in the whole game's role can be usefully fished by scum... (Nietzschke)

Just because the information is "useless" (as your probability analysis suggests), it doesn't give you the right to know it. Knowing roles is good for two people:

God and Nietzsche

. I'm not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are him (

Nietzsche

).

One less agnostic to not worry about is still one less agnostic for God not to kill. Whatever claim pacman would have made, it would still narrow down the list of people that could be Nietzsche (unless he is CL, as God knows them, but not the recruits).

[SilverPhoenix]

The further into this game we play, the more likely God is to be caught - recruits as well as the CL's lose if god dies, so it is indeed a very finely balanced setup, assuming us agnostics play competently enough to pick out recruits/CL's.

Well, only if Nietzsche is still alive. Because no way is God going to get lynched later on. All Nietzsche needs to do is not die long enough to realize who the cults aren't voting for. And at that point, there may not even be any agnostics left.

[Bloodmoney]

I don't get mask's last post, especially the last sentence.

You mentioned a "context tell" committed by X, but ignored the plea to elaborate. Please be kind and answer, lest I think you're pulling shit out your ass.

[ting =)]

@mask.
I have the same number of posts than you. I have a higher word count.

I'm suddenly busier than I expected to be. Post soon-ish.

[zwetschenwasser]

That blatant Wifom was to make a point - we can't use lurking as a scumtell independently. Don't be selective with your quoting, this came right after it:

Now Wifom aside, I believe I've made my point. While it makes sense for cults+god to lurk, we can't take it as a given, but more use it as a dependent tell.

As you can see, X's case on scum omitted this quote, which Jebus pointed out. X selectively ignored relevant Jebus posts.

[Erratus Apathos]

lurkers should post more

I still think Zakeri is god.

Now if you just want me to post more for no particular reason, I can post "I still think Zakeri is god." every day or so. I don't see the benefit of doing that though.

[ting =)]

Meh. All the new posts are theory posts. I don't really have anything much to add. So I'll just throw a vote.

Unvote. Vote:Erratus Apathos.

You could try saying why. Or actually looking at others and saying why you don't think they're God. Either'd be much better than just popping in to say 'Zak is god' every few days.

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't see the benefit of EA not contributing to the discussion.

[DrippingGoofball]

pacman is God.

My case for pacman being Gos is still valid.

Of course, cultists and CLs aren't keen on this lynch. The Agnostics are going to have to get their act together.

[Erratus Apathos]

Why Zakeri is god:

No, I know that's what you meant. Read that post again. I'm saying I don't see how Jebus would've misinterpreted that post that much, when it's completely obvious it wasn't a Nietzsche-slip. Nevertheless, this is not much of a point, since I don't see accrediting stupidity to someone a scumtell. Jebus and populartajo's opportunistic votes are noted, in that order.

Note that Jebus and PT both explicitly agreed with Blood's reasoning when voting Zakeri, so Blood attacking their votes is just hypocritical. It's like he's trying to scramble out of a botched distancing attempt.

Why are jebus and zakeri God/Nietzsche/whatever again?

Spoken like someone who doesn't even know what the agnostic win condition is.

That's two seedy players who've both defended Zakeri. That suggests they're cult and he's God.

Unvote
Vote: Zakeri

The only thing that's changed since then is DGB being much much scummier than blood or zwet. And she's also defended Zakeri.

[Jahudo]

My case for pacman being Gos is still valid.

My meta question on pacman is still valid. Have you seen or played a game with him where he didn't lurk and avoid scumhunting?

[DrippingGoofball]

My case for pacman being Gos is still valid.

My meta question on pacman is still valid. Have you seen or played a game with him where he didn't lurk and avoid scumhunting?

If I had played a game with any player that was this epically useless, I'd remember. Is there a player that's been here more than 6 months, with whom I haven't played? I wonder...

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't particularly see how DGB is acting scummy. Sticking to a case on someone for decent reasons isn't a scum tell in my book.

[Jebus]

That blatant Wifom was to make a point - we can't use lurking as a scumtell independently. Don't be selective with your quoting, this came right after it:

Now Wifom aside, I believe I've made my point. While it makes sense for cults+god to lurk, we can't take it as a given, but more use it as a dependent tell.

As you can see, X's case on scum omitted this quote, which Jebus pointed out. X selectively ignored relevant Jebus posts.

Oooh, now X has a context scumtell.

Is it me, or do zwet's 471 and 485 (which both refer to the same post) explicitly contradict themselves?

[Jebus]

Oh, and EA - 490 is nice, sure, but could I get your explicit reasoning why Zakeri is definitely god? Examples/etc? One quote isn't quite good enough for me.

[zwetschenwasser]

Jebus, 485 is my explanation for 471.

[qwints]

EA's tunnel vision is unhelpful. There are a lot more players in the game than just Zakeri. Would God really have been the first player run up so fast?

[zwetschenwasser]

Welcome to WIFOMland.

[pacman281292]

He

knows

where he stands? Excuse me; he's actively lurking with his ******* one-liners, he is annoying...
I'm inactive. Yeah, I admit. But zswetchen is worse than inactive. His posts are getting me insane; he votes, then changes his vote 10 minutes later. Then, he keeps parroting and saying useless stuff. He is definitely annoying me.

Show this stuff. I think ZSW has been pretty pro-town. The only 2 charges I've heard levied against him are that his posting style is disenchanting and that he shouldn't have joked about being CL or God.

?
mm... I definitely dislike his posts. He says stuff and doesn't explain, and then he confuses me.

Well; If I forgot asking this, this is the first time I ask this, and if I've done this before, I really want to get an explanation NAOW:
DGB, Please elaborate why do you think I'm god.
There is a Jah quote that really made me lol. Where is it... let me search a bit...