Martyr Mafia - Game Over

[pacman281292]

zOMG I fail I didn't see it...

My case for pacman being Gos is still valid.

My meta question on pacman is still valid. Have you seen or played a game with him where he didn't lurk and avoid scumhunting?

lol

[Jebus]

Jebus, 485 is my explanation for 471.

Re-word 471 for me? I'm not really sure how that was meant.

I can come to:
1) "Now X has a context scumtell on Jebus."
2) "Now there is a context scumtell on X."

And probably more, if I think about it.

[Jebus]

And for Pacman, Zwet, and EA - what do you think of qwints right now?

[Erratus Apathos]

I don't particularly see how DGB is acting scummy. Sticking to a case on someone for decent reasons isn't a scum tell in my book.

"Sticking to a case", you say?

DGB: You're right! I'm the islam cult leader. Lynch me now!

OK

Reverse psychology will backfire on you.

confirm vote: zwetschenwasser

I don't like that pacman is pretending to be clueless.

Good catch. To me, this suggests quite strongly that he may be god. Trust me I have a nose for this. I've been playing this game long enough.

unvote, vote: pacman

I did a re-read, and came up with this partial list:

Players that are NOT god:

Jahudo
Silver Phoenix
zachattack
Jebus
X

Players that may be god:

pacman
ortolan

And I'm seeing, plain as the sun, distancing from Jebus.

unvote, vote: Jebus

Pacman is lurking like mad.

He's god.

Moreover, she's currently "popping in" against Pacman similar to how I'm popping in for Zakeri, but she's voting for Jebus. What case is she sticking to?

Oh, and EA - 490 is nice, sure, but could I get your explicit reasoning why Zakeri is definitely god? Examples/etc? One quote isn't quite good enough for me.

490

is

my explicit reasoning why he's god.

EA's tunnel vision is unhelpful. There are a lot more players in the game than just Zakeri. Would God really have been the first player run up so fast?

If there's too many cultists running him up to plausibly be distancing, then no. Otherwise, it's null. I think the latter is more likely in regards to Zakeri.

And for Pacman, Zwet, and EA - what do you think of qwints right now?

I could see him as town or cult, and I don't see any compelling evidence one way or the other.

[mask man]

After some thought, I'm back to my idea that jebus is not god, but a cult member/leader. Most likely leader.

unvote jebus

[mykonian]

What's with Post 425 by SilverPhoenix about "rolefishing". Only one player in the whole game's role can be usefully fished by scum... (Nietzschke)

hmm, great??? lets vote for a towny! Because he point out bad play!

I did the same, why not me?

FoS ortolan

acting like a stereotypical townie does not equal acting townie

On this moment, I think zwet and maskman are culted, bloodmoney and Jebus as town, DGB as ???, orto as general scum

This is stupid. The setup does not accomodate you describing some players as "scummy culted" and some others as otherwise non specified scummy. If you were agnostic you'd be thinking about whether we were cult, recruits or God.

SCUM!

people, what would a roleclaim give us? (hint: nothing).

This is also stupid for aforementioned reasons, and as X points out in the below post.

myk is obvscum but I don't think he'd be so aggressive if he were God so that isn't particularly useful.

You are quite eager to show that they shouldn't listen to me, because it is stupid, and I'm aggressive scum: you have seen me play as town and as mafia, and this is clearly not how I play as antitown.

unvote vote ortolan

[ting =)]

@EA.
Really? Two seedy players defended zakeri and so zakeri's God? And DGB defending zakeri after 'being much scummier' also makes zakeri god? That's not particularly convincing. Tell me why the zakeri case is better than the other cases currently in the limelight.

(Happy scumday btw.)

@DGB.
I've been wondering - Your case on pac is mainly that he's active lurky and 'epically useless'(no scumhunting, etc), right? (if you feel this is an oversimplification, feel free to tell me the rest)

1. There are a number of other players who'd fit this bill. (e.g. Double A) So - why pacman in particular?
2. Am I to take it that you'd expect God to play this way?

I ask because while I feel pacman would fit a general scum profile, I wouldn't be as convinced as you are based on what we have now.

[zwetschenwasser]

Pacman, you seem godish because you are pretending to be confused and posting almost no content. Ea, DGB has been pushing the Pacman case for a while now, which I find consistent enough to not be scummy. I have no read on quints. And I never said that Jebus has a context scumtell. You're putting words in my mouth. +scumpoints.

[Jebus]

And I never said that Jebus has a context scumtell. You're putting words in my mouth. +scumpoints.

Wait, what?

And respond to my 501 please? What did you mean by your 471?

[mask man]

@DGB.
I've been wondering - Your case on pac is mainly that he's active lurky and 'epically useless'(no scumhunting, etc), right? (if you feel this is an oversimplification, feel free to tell me the rest)

1. There are a number of other players who'd fit this bill. (e.g. Double A) So - why pacman in particular?
2. Am I to take it that you'd expect God to play this way?

^this
I pressure DGB to appear from the sky and answer.

Also @zwet

"Pacman, you seem godish because you are pretending to be confused

and posting almost no content.

"

I completely agree with the boldfaced part, but please explain how he clearly pretending. What if I just said something like, Mykan is pretending to want ort lynched, it can be proven no more then pacman can be proven to be making his confusion up.
I also don't agree that this is godish play(CL maybe). *Points to Tings post*


I push a votecount.
Also, I know it is apparently common place in this forum, but I'm not liking how everyone is pushing lurkers, Lurkers get the prod. Lurking in any sense is in my view, and hopefully everyone else's, epically against the spirit of the game and shouldn't be used as a tell. ACTIVE lurking(pacman) is another story. And the issue of real life is just too big for us to have "z0mg so and so isn't posting much, obv lurker because we can clearly tell they have no life!"

Yeah that lurker part was mostly to blow off steam >_>

[Jebus]

VOTECOUNT NEEDED

[Lord Gurgi]

The Eighth "Live by complication, die by a heart attack" Votecount:

"'I hate Valentine's Day"
----The Mod

Bloodmoney --- 1 {SilverPhoenix}
DrippingGoofball --- 1 {Sir Tornado}
Erratus Apathos --- 0 {None}
Jahudo --- 0 {None}
Jebus --- 3 {ortolan, DrippingGoofball, Double A}
mask man --- 0 {None}
mykonian --- 0 {None}
ortolan --- 1 {mykonian}
pacman281292 --- 0 {None}
populartajo --- 0 {None}
qwints --- 2 {Bloodmoney, Jebus}
SilverPhoenix --- 0 {None}
Indigo Heron --- 0 {None}
Sir Tornado --- 1 {Ting =)}
Ting =) --- 0 {None}
Double A --- 2 {zwetschenwasser, X}
X --- 0 {None}
zachattack --- 0 {None}
Zakeri --- 4 {populartajo, Erratus Apathos, Jahudo, zachattack}
zwetschenwasser --- 1 {pacman281292}

Not Voting --- 4 {Indigo Heron, Zakeri, qwints, mask man}

Eleven votes to lynch. The deadline is on February 21st at 4:00 PM PST.

Thumb twiddling contest!

Disclaimer: This is just flavour, anything you think you're getting from it, you're not. There's nothing here to get. Go away.

New Votes since last votecount: 6

OMG SIX VOTES MOD TOO MANY

Sending out global prod, replacements to come.

[Lord Gurgi]

xofelf replaces Sir Tornado. <3

[Double A]

I have a question:

If this is the first day, why is the discussion so deep, and why haven't we all jumped on to one bandwagon and voted for him? (or her)

[Erratus Apathos]

/prodded, will respond later tonight

[mask man]

I have a question:

If this is the first day, why is the discussion so deep, and why haven't we all jumped on to one bandwagon and voted for him? (or her)

Double A, this post makes it look like you support random, short, unclear, bandwagon filled, and huntless Day ones.

Why are you not Scumhunting?

And to answer: read the whole thread over again. We can't afford to not be pwnage D1 this time because the farther into the game we go, the less chance there is of hitting gawd via lynch.

[qwints]

/responding to prod.

Right now, I am fairly certain that Jebus knows who god is. I'm also pretty suspicious of zwet. I'll follow up with my reasoning this weekend.

[mask man]

Some people take the game seriously and won't be the noob described inside your post. I want moar hunt lesh beitchen from you.

[xofelf]

i guess i'm replacing in. I'm going to read over this as much as i can tonight and hopefully post on it too. But if i can't get through everything tonight, i will post tomorrow.

[SilverPhoenix]

I have a question:

If this is the first day, why is the discussion so deep, and why haven't we all jumped on to one bandwagon and voted for him? (or her)

You're being sarcastic, right?....Right?

No?

What you describe is Mafia at its finest (about the deep discussion part, at least). Bandwagons are good if the person reacting to them gives off tells (either town or scum), but random wagons after the random stage are pretty lame. Usually, if the day gets close to deadline, everyone will compromise on someone, and there is where you can get some fine tells.

[Jahudo]

If this is the first day, why is the discussion so deep, and why haven't we all jumped on to one bandwagon and voted for him? (or her)

Today is by far the best chance to win the game as an agnostic.

@Pacman: I hope you don't think I'm giving you a free pass just because I say you're following the town meta I have on you. We need unity here.

I still think Zakeri should not be ignored until he explains himself. It seems like a small tell now but he has gone into lurking since getting put under pressure and that doesn't feel right.

[Bloodmoney]

Got prod; no time to read and post, sorry

Will catch up tonight

[ortolan]

You are quite eager to show that they shouldn't listen to me, because it is stupid, and I'm aggressive scum: you have seen me play as town and as mafia, and this is clearly not how I play as antitown.

unvote vote ortolan

Actually your play in this game matches neither your scum nor town meta as I've seen them, so that's not going to help.

You actually had a very insubstantial case against me, everything above this was just quoting me even though some of it wasn't even in quotation marks.

Anyhow; you've OMGUSed me (even though I wasn't voting for you)- what type of scum do you think I am???

Looking at pacman now to see what's incited the controversy.

[ortolan]

Well yes pacman is entirely useless, a hypocrite and an obvious active lurker. Is it consistent with his meta or what?

[ting =)]

I still haven't seen anything I like from Double A.

Jahudo, who's your second pick behind zakeri?