Martyr Mafia - Game Over

[al_kohaulec]

Yay! HAMMAH!

and just in case,

Unvote
Vote: Qwints

Why is everyone backing off of qwints? Claiming Recruit is a smart choice for God or a CL. At best we've won. At worst we didn't get rid of an Agnostic.

QFT, and the fact that it's taken so long for the extra votes to pile up is reason to believe he may be God. I would be really excited if he was God, but I also think we'll be incredibly lucky if that's the case.

I really hope Jebus isn't Nietzsche when we lynch him tomorrow.

I really hope that Jebus isn't cult leader, because then the agnostics will

LOSE

OUTRIGHT

......if qwints is indeed leader.

Well, if Jebus is Nietz, then that does screw agnostics and we have to depend on being recruited. But as it's been pointed out, there are many possibilities for what Jebus could be.




Also, note that if Jebus is the other cult leader, we don't necessarily lose by running a wagon on Jebus tomorrow (just by actually lynching him). God

loses

if a cult wins and Nietz is still alive, so he won't want a cult leader killed off if qwints is a CL.

[zwetschenwasser]

I hope quints is god...

[Lord Gurgi]

The End of Day One Votecount:

Bloodmoney --- 0 {None}
DrippingGoofball --- 2 {al_kohaulec, Erratus Apathos}
Erratus Apathos --- 0 {None}
Jahudo --- 0 {None}
Jebus --- 1 {qwints}
mask man --- 0 {None}
mykonian --- 0 {None}
ortolan --- 0 {None}
pacman281292 --- 0 {None}
populartajo --- 0 {None}
qwints --- 11 {Bloodmoney, Jebus, zwetschenwasser, SilverPhoenix, DrippingGoofball, pacman281292, X, xofelf, ortolan, Jahudo, mykonian}
SilverPhoenix --- 0 {None}
Indigo Heron --- 0 {None}
xofelf --- 1 {Ting =)}
Ting =) --- 0 {None}
Double A --- 0 {None}
X --- 0 {None}
al_kohaulec --- 0 {None}
Zakeri --- 1 {populartajo}
zwetschenwasser --- 0 {None}

Not Voting --- 4 {Zakeri, mask man, Double A, Indigo Heron}

Eleven votes to lynch.

Zzzzz-- Eh? What? Who? Oh, yes, right, well... Breaking News! Yes, it seems that the group has ganged up on a small man who first claimed to be religious, then the leader of a religion. They've started to berate him with salami. He cries out to the heavens for salvation....



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Thunder rumbles.



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Then a particularly well placed salami log smashes his ear, rupturing his ear drum, causing fluids to drain into his system. This leads to shock, his heart begins to beat erratically because of the electrical imbalance, and he dies of a heart attack brought on by salami-induced trauma.

When he died they seemed to suddenly realise he was wearing a robe and a crucifix and carrying the bible the entire time. They hit themselves with salami upside the head.

qwints, the Christian Cult Leader, is dead. The mob is now shuffling about and pushes his corpse into a ravine.

Disclaimer: This is just flavour, anything you think you're getting from it, you're not. There's nothing here to get. Go away.

V/LA noted for Popular Tajo and Ting =)

Prods going out for some inactives.

[Lord Gurgi]

I'm giving a deadline for Wednesday at 4 PM for the night.

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PLACE WITHHELD

. The group seems to have calmed down after the tragedy with the leader of the Christian religion last night. It seems that the Vatican has been destroyed by raiders from the Islamic and Jewish faiths. Most of Ireland has been destroyed in the riots, and evangelical Americans are in uproar. It seems that Christianity has been completely destroyed in any organised form. In other news, the first Jewish President of the United States Aliyah Fein was elected yesterday with a wide margin. It seems that there was some opposition to his election, can you believe those putzes? Anyway, the GDP has soared. It seems that in Saudi Arab-- Krzzzzzzzzzzz... Krzaaczzzzzhhhzzz...

--Someone has been struck by lightning! The bolt took down our feed, and we are now investigating the death...

...It seems that Erratus Apathos has been struck by lightning, and died instantly. No religious items have been found on his person, so it is assumed that he was an Agnostic. The group seems frazzled, let's watch as the situation develops.

[mask man]

Sure sucks ass to be the christian recruit.

So I had some problems with Troj32 blah blah, I couldn't post or PM or anything, Google was gay, but I could still read. Gave up though and tried telling someone to tell Gurgi to replace me, but I'm back now I guess. I'll be able to re read later.

[X]

Welcome back, mask man. Looking forward to your analysis.

Slightly disappointed that qwints was at least roleclaiming the truth. Anyway, I'm not liking Jebus, Zakeri, or pacman right now.

Status on populartajo & ting?

*gets to writing the REAL post she promised*

Where did this go?

[mask man]

Fast look at numbers,

1. Bloodmoney
2. DrippingGoofball
3. Jahudo
4. Jebus
5. mask man
6. mykonian
7. ortolan
8. pacman281292
9. populartajo
10. SilverPhoenix
11. Indigo Heron
12. xofelf Sir Tornado
13. Ting =)
14. Double A
15. X
16. al_kohaulec zachattack
17. Zakeri
18. zwetschenwasser


Dust and Ashes:


1. qwints, the Christian Cult Leader, died Day One
2. Erratus Apathos, an Agnostic, died [ur;=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 89#1514089]Night One[/url]

Also note, try "url" instead of "ur" mod.


So worst case:

1 gawd
1 jew leader
2 jew recruits
1 islam leader
2 islam recruits
1 christian recruit (haha!)

7 out of 18 people not willing to lynch gawd.

I wanna take a look at people related to (or better yet, distancing from) qwints later.

[mask man]

Status on populartajo & ting?

Right, what is that supposed to mean? Assuming you refer to what the Mod keeps mentioning.

[X]

What I meant was that it's been a while since either posted...how much longer are they going to be V/LA?

[mask man]

I assume V/LA is like. vacation or something?

[Jebus]

V/LA = Vacation/Limited Access

Will post later...

[populartajo]

Prodded. Kinda got bored with this game but with qwints result things could get interesting. The obv play is to look for qwints and people related to him.

[Jahudo]

It's possible god would vote qwints to distance from him.

It's possible that qwints distanced from god or his recruit, but that might be more likely closer to the deadline when he looked like the solid lynch candidate and his words wouldn't be trusted by people who think he's scum.

He probably wouldn't want to bus someone too hard during the middle of the day or if the wagon was growing pretty big or had the potential to grow. I think it's possible he could have distanced from god or his recruit early in the day though.

Taking a look at qwints's PbPA there are a few key points:

0. random votes Jebus
2. jumps on Zakeri's wagon
3. jumps on zwetschenwasser's wagon (as a joke proly)
4. jumps on Jebus' wagon using someone else's reasons
5. unvotes without really explaining
7. says "Jebus and zwet are probably scum"
8. minor suspicion on EA, WIFOM on Zakeri's wagon (which he was on and didn't explain why he left)
9. more Jebus and zwet suspicion
10. more Jebus and zwet suspicion. Zwet vote
11. more Jebus suspicion. Jebus vote
15. Bloodmoney suspicion
16. DGB suspicion (unreasoned?)
18. Jebus suspicion
19. Jebus suspicion
21. Jebus suspicion

Okay, so Jebus is one big pile of WIFOM right now. Zwets too but not as much. Qwints could be hoping that we will discredit the Jebus case because a cult leader wanted us to lynch Jebus, or he could be hoping that we credit the Jebus lynch because we think he's distancing from god.

What's also interesting is that Jebus and Zwet seemed interchangeable to Qwints in terms of who he should suspect. But he abandons Zwet near the end and the WIFOM is lessened a bit.

The Zakeri vote and then subsequent WIFOM is also interesting. Zakeri called qwints "opportunistic" for his vote. Qwints switched to another target like he did other times without saying what that does to his suspicion on the previous vote. But how did he come to this conclusion after voting for Zakeri:

There are a lot more players in the game than just Zakeri. Would God really have been the first player run up so fast?

Granted, the wagon was early and Zakeri STILL hasn't fully defended against it, but this quote is probably the only instance where qwints says he doesn't suspect someone.

This is enough to make me want to continue pressuring Zakeri to contribute to this game and explain what reactions he was looking for and what reactions he got way back when he switched from a serious wagon to a joke one.

Vote: Zakeri

[ting =)]

Status on populartajo & ting?

I'm around now.

Sure sucks ass to be the christian recruit.

If we believe qwints, he had none. He targetted Jebus and failed.

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Jahudo seems to have looked at which people qwints was looking at already. I'll go look up which people didn't want qwints dead later. I can't picture God as bussing one of his CLs, considering that they're his ticket to unlynchability.

[ting =)]

I can't picture God as bussing one of his CLs,

Clarification, since I just realized the vagueness of that statement: I can't see God as either starting the wagon, or pushing it. I could picture God hopping on it.

[ortolan]

1 gawd
1 jew leader
2 jew recruits
1 islam leader
2 islam recruits
1 christian recruit (haha!)

no christian recruit. I highly doubt qwints was lying about being unsuccessful in recruiting night one, but even if he was the "christian" part is defunct- the recruit would have lost their win condition and is "praying" for recruitment. Also, the fact God didn't night-kill Jebus last night (i.e. because he already knows he's not Nietzsche despite qwints tipping him off) means he's pretty much guaranteed to be a cult leader. I'm pretty awesome for latching onto his scumminess earlier, aren't I. This is good as it indicates very low chances of lynching a cult leader if we attack someone else.

Also, Jahudo, I already explained why cult leaders busing God (not the other way round, though) makes no sense. If the cult leader ever dies they've lost anyway, plus if they get God lynched by busing them they've lost. So no, they have no reason to bus God.

I might have a look at Jebus' posts to see if he went out of his way to defend anyone in common with qwints.

[Zakeri]

This is enough to make me want to continue pressuring Zakeri to contribute to this game and explain what reactions he was looking for and what reactions he got way back when he switched from a serious wagon to a joke one.

In all honesty, I was surprised I wasn't lynched day one. I didn't have a good reason for switching to my joke vote other than to show that I believed my vote on Jebus was no longer needed. Reaction fishing is just the reason I use for when I do something stupid because otherwise I'd get voted off the island for doing something stupid. That said, I do not have the intention of letting reactions go to waste.

I still have to catch up in my reading, but I will respond soon with my analysis. Likely Sunday.

[al_kohaulec]

A christian recruit is still possible if qwints was lying. I'm doubtful of it, but it should still be noted because that's potentially one more player who does not want to lynch God.

[mask man]

A christian recruit is still possible if qwints was lying. I'm doubtful of it, but it should still be noted because that's potentially one more player who does not want to lynch God.

The game is unwinnable for that player, if they exist.

[mykonian]

A christian recruit is still possible if qwints was lying. I'm doubtful of it, but it should still be noted because that's potentially one more player who does not want to lynch God.

The game is unwinnable for that player, if they exist.

till they get recruited.

[al_kohaulec]

A christian recruit is still possible if qwints was lying. I'm doubtful of it, but it should still be noted because that's potentially one more player who does not want to lynch God.

The game is unwinnable for that player, if they exist.

till they get recruited.

QFT

Think of him as an agnostic after God has killed Nitz. Both players would be in the same boat. The cultist can still be recruited if his leader has died.

[Jahudo]

Also, the fact God didn't night-kill Jebus last night (i.e. because he already knows he's not Nietzsche despite qwints tipping him off) means he's pretty much guaranteed to be a cult leader.

That makes sense.

I already explained why cult leaders busing God (not the other way round, though) makes no sense. If the cult leader ever dies they've lost anyway, plus if they get God lynched by busing them they've lost. So no, they have no reason to bus God.

True. I think there might be some safe distancing but we need to determine at what point qwints wagon became serious and then inevitable as a lynch. Same goes for the people qwints voted.

7 people didn't vote for qwints: (Zakeri, mask man, Double A, Indigo Heron, Ting =), populartajo, al_kohaulec)

6 of those people were completely ignored by qwints: (mask man, Double A, Indigo Heron, Ting =), populartajo, al_kohaulec)

2 of those people completely ignored qwints: (Double A, populartajo)

al_kohaulec "HAMMAH'ed" qwints but really the hammer had already happened. He didn't show any sign of suspecting qwints before that post and in fact said he didn't understand the wagon in post 680. His late fake-hammer could be an attempt to look town after the damage was already done. It is the best example of possible distancing I see here.

Out of Double A, tajo and alcoholic I think alcoholic looks like a very possible God.

[ting =)]

on the qwints wagon:

bloodmoney

- mentioned others more than he did qwints, although he did call qwints the best lynch and did make several posts pushing for a qwints lynch. Not a hopper.

jebus

- hopped on the qwints wagon at the very end of his post 23, which was his zwet response post. He doesn't mention qwints at all after this until his 47th post, which was just:

And for Pacman, Zwet, and EA - what do you think of qwints right now?

He makes similar posts on his 51st and 53rd posts.
Qwints again on his 59th post:

Qwints does have a case on him. I'll repost this once I get a good chunk of time.

He never does.

In fact, he's never made an independent case on qwints. I wouldn't call him hopping on the wagon since he was one of the first on it, but he never drove the wagon, just rode on it.

zwet

:
This was zwet on

Feb 18

:

I don't see the case on quintz

or ortolan. Jebus is God, Bloodmoney is Islam, and Pacman is Christian. See?

This was zwet on

Feb 19

!!! Can you say wishy-washiness please the town? Unvote;

Vote: quints

Wow. One day to go from not seeing a case to being willing to vote. Hopped on the wagon.

silverphoenix

:
One of the few on the qwints wagon who made a semblance of a case. He wasn't one of the stronger pushers, but he doesn't read like he hopped on the wagon.

dgb

:Only two posts mention qwints, and neither of them is a case on qwints.

unvote, vote: qwints

WIFOM I know, but who would recruit qwints? He's only useful getting himself lynched for non-contribution.

vote: qwints

Hop.

pacman:

Hop.

mm... well, there is no time, going on nolynch would just give cult leaders extra time to recruit, so I will unvote, vote: qwints.

X:

This post struck out:

Why is everyone backing off of qwints? Claiming Recruit is a smart choice for God or a CL. At best we've won. At worst we didn't get rid of an Agnostic.

Unvote: Double A. Vote: qwints.

This came after a number of unvotes on qwints. X wasn't dettered. Not hop.

xofelf

: Hop.

Looking at how much time is left and knowing everything i have to do this weekend, i highly doubt i'm going to be able to get another post in before deadline. And a no-lynch would be really bad, i see this as my only alternative really, as much as i hate jumping on wagons. Vote quints

ortolan:

His vote post was clearly a hop:

The first case is a fine outcome. The second is bad for every one of us (agnostics) who doesn't get recruited tonight. However I can't argue with the logic, claiming cult membership would be a logical move for a reasonably intelligent cult leader or God. Fuckit.

Unvote
Vote: qwints

Out of all the people who just hopped though, he clearly tried to push the case - but not till after qwints' CL claim. Obviously, agnostics have a lot of reason to want to kill a CL, but I could see him as a rival CL. The fact that his vote was last minute (L-1, and less than 24 hours from lynch) also makes me think he could be God who realized there was no way to save his CL already. Of course; with deadline approaching, I could also see a possibility of agnostic who just didn't want a no lynch, but I don't think so.

Jahudo:

Easily one of the stronger pushers for the qwints wagon. I don't like that he hopped off after qwints claimed recruit though.

Mykonian:

Hop.

I think I support lurking-qwints-scum theory. unvote vote qwints

I also don't like how he unvoted when qwints claimed recruit.

Short version: People who were on the qwints wagon that I like - Jahudo, X, SP, Blood. The rest seem like they just hopped on.

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Off the qwints wagon:

al:

He made no case on qwints, or anything, at all, but -

Yay! HAMMAH!

and just in case,
Unvote
Vote: Qwints

I don't like this because:

1. He yayed for the hammer of someone he never mentioned suspicion of.
2. He wanted to be the hammer.

Don't like.

zakeri:

Only mention of qwints is:

Qwints: Opportunistic

Maskman:

No qwints mention.

Indigo:

He had qwints pegged as an active lurker and voted him - but only when asked by Jebus about qwints. He never mentions qwints at all before that. I don't like how he unvoted qwints after qwints claimed recruit.

Tajo:

No qwints mention.

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I think god won't be among the qwints pushers. He'll be among the hoppers. I'm not sure about the people who don't mention qwints. I have a feeling god would have said something about qwints, and that qwints would have mentioned God at least at some point. I have no basis for this, I just feel God would say something in the event that one of his CLs gets strung up and lynched. Anyway, I'll decide which person to cast my vote to tomorrow after I get some sleep.

[populartajo]

Yay! HAMMAH!

and just in case,

Unvote
Vote: Qwints

Why is everyone backing off of qwints? Claiming Recruit is a smart choice for God or a CL. At best we've won. At worst we didn't get rid of an Agnostic.

QFT, and the fact that it's taken so long for the extra votes to pile up is reason to believe he may be God. I would be really excited if he was God, but I also think we'll be incredibly lucky if that's the case.

I really hope Jebus isn't Nietzsche when we lynch him tomorrow.

I really hope that Jebus isn't cult leader, because then the agnostics will

LOSE

OUTRIGHT

......if qwints is indeed leader.

Well, if Jebus is Nietz, then that does screw agnostics and we have to depend on being recruited. But as it's been pointed out, there are many possibilities for what Jebus could be.




Also, note that if Jebus is the other cult leader, we don't necessarily lose by running a wagon on Jebus tomorrow (just by actually lynching him). God

loses

if a cult wins and Nietz is still alive, so he won't want a cult leader killed off if qwints is a CL.

Actually Jahudo is right. Al has big probs of being god just reading alone this post. Notice the number of the word "god" in this post.

Vote: Al_kohaulec.