Martyr Mafia - Game Over

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't think Jahudo is God.

The only way to be sure, is to start a wagon on Jahudo. If it doesn't get anywhere fast, he may be god. If he runs up a healthy wagon, then he's not god. Aborted wagons is where to look.

I'm willing to vote anybody. I'm wagon-testing for god.

[zwetschenwasser]

That's a GREAT strategy! [/sarcasm]

[DrippingGoofball]

That's a GREAT strategy! [/sarcasm]

What's yours? Let's compare.

[zwetschenwasser]

Lynch mykonian.

[DrippingGoofball]

Lynch mykonian.

I can get aboard.

unvote, vote: mykonian

[zwetschenwasser]

[Jahudo]

I can't believe I'm saying this but I like pacman's analysis. He seems grounded and in the game.

I don't know what to think of DGB anymore. Her strategy makes sense for a cult recruit but when half the town is lurking she could be anything just trying to keep us active. Zwet too, except he's def. agnostic.

@Adel: Have you read all of day 1? What do you think of it and people related to qwints?

Mod: Have you prodded Ting recently? If not, can you prod him please?

[Lord Gurgi]

The Seventeenth Votecount:

Adel: Proof that either there is no God, or ze has a real good sense of humour.

hp [leaves] --- 0 {None}
DrippingGoofball --- 0 {None}
Jahudo --- 1 {hp [leaves]}
Jebus --- 0 {None}
mask man --- 0 {None}
mykonian --- 6 {Jebus, X, zwetschenwasser, Jahudo, DrippingGoofball, SilverPhoenix}
ortolan --- 0 {None}
pacman281292 --- 1 {Zakeri}
populartajo --- 0 {None}
SilverPhoenix --- 0 {None}
Indigo Heron --- 0 {None}
Adel --- 0 {None}
Ting =) --- 0 {None}
Double A --- 0 {None}
X --- 0 {None}
al_kohaulec --- 1 {populartajo}
Zakeri --- 3 {ortolan, Adel, pacman281292}
zwetschenwasser --- 0 {None}

Not Voting --- 6 {mask man, Double A, mykonian, Indigo Heron, al_kohaulec, Ting =)}

Ten votes to lynch. The deadline is on

March 24th

at 4:00 PM PST.

Prodding Ting =)

PS: You want prods, you ask for prods. Mmkay? Thanks. <3

Disclaimer: This is just flavour, anything you think you're getting from it, you're not. There's nothing here to get. Go away.

[Adel]

I don't know what to think of DGB anymore. Her strategy makes sense for a cult recruit but when half the town is lurking she could be anything just trying to keep us active. Zwet too, except he's def. agnostic.

when ever I am scum in a game that DGB my tactic is to keep her alive as long as possible.

@Adel: Have you read all of day 1? What do you think of it and people related to qwints?

nope. I haven't actually read anything prior to when I replaced in.

[Double A]

Can we convert to Buddism?

unvote

(if I had one),

vote: mykonian

Since it's a strategy

[ortolan]

um the fact DGB-cult and Jebus-OBVCULT are on mykonian's wagon is enough reason to pile off it in droves.

Please vote Zakeri and I'll give you candy.

[hp [leaves]]

um the fact DGB-cult and Jebus-OBVCULT are on mykonian's wagon is enough reason to pile off it in droves.

Please vote Zakeri and I'll give you candy.

Actually, them being on the wagon might help

Unvote
Vote mykonian

[Jahudo]

um the fact DGB-cult and Jebus-OBVCULT are on mykonian's wagon is enough reason to pile off it in droves.

Please vote Zakeri and I'll give you candy.

7, now 8, votes and you seem to be the one under pressure.

I still have a concern with your case. Zak voted for pacman and you call it an obvious move. But you also acknowledge that pacman's play was anti-town:

Pacman is too obvious and easy a target (lurking, lacking contributions etc.) and I think Zakeri was taking advantage.

Why would only god do this and not someone who doesn't want to let someone lurk and lack contributions?

Oh, looking for people who DGB has distanced from sounds just dandy.

Can you explain how that's not a good argument if you also think DGB is scum?

More content from Zak, myk, the lurkers (double a, heron, ting, ???), more conclusions and not summary from mask man, and more reading from Adel please.

[Adel]

I am reading, thank you very much, just not day 1.

[Adel]

I admit that I'm getting bored with mafia -- it is too easy. I am ready to break this game now.

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I have a player specific meta against qwints now: he has a scumtell. He, like many players before they learn better, mentions his scum buddy by name in his first post.
This scumtell is quite common for newer players, and is mostly useful in large games where the odds of a person typing another person's name are lower.

link to him naming his scumpartner with one other player in his first post where he names a name

he is some data:

0: vote: Jebus -- 5
2: Good point Jahudo --2
2: vote: zakeri -- 5
3: vote: zwetschenwasser -- 5
4: ortolan wrote: --1
4: vote Jebus --5
6:

replies to ting =) without mentioning ting

-- 1
7: Jebus and zwet are probably scum -- 2 each
8: EA's tunnel vision is unhelpful. -- 2
8: There are a lot more players in the game than just Zakeri. -- 2
10: Happy birthday Jahudo! -- 2
10: Jebus knows who god actually is -- 2
10: vote: zwet --5
11: Jebus has constantly questioned people's cases for god -- 2
11: vote Jebus -- 5
13:

replies to Jahudo without mentioning Jahudo

--1
[/quote]
I stopped tracking when he claimed Xian recruiter.

question: did anyone else have a birthday on a day that qwint posted on?

Jebus: 5+5+2+2+2+5 -> 21/49

zwet: 5+2+5 -> 12/28 -> 43%
zakeri: 5+2 -> 7/28 -> 25%
Jahudo: 2+2+1 -> 5/28 -> 18%
EA: 2 -> 2/28 -> 7%
ortolan: 1 -> 1/28 -> 4%
ting: 1 -> 1/28 -> 4%
(percentages do not add up to 100 due to rounding)

based on the psychological tell of qwint, these are my estimations of qwint having hidden information about each player. I removed Jebus from the list because we know that he had hidden information about Jebus. I think that the hidden information he had was not the hidden information that he stated though.



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God did not kill Jebus last night. That means that Jebus is not Nietzsche, nor is he a Xian recruit. (God would've killed him just to make sure.) Later in the game anyone who is interested in figuring out who Jebus recruited night 0 can look though his past games and see what other player in this game demonstrated proficiency in his previous games. That will be who he recruited if he is a CR. (probably one of Jahudo, tajo, packman, or Silver)

God also would not kill himself.
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the most important posts in the game:

Vote: Jebus

because he is clearly the Muslim or Jewish cult leader.

Vote: DGB

obvscum

So wait, what should we be voting for as scum?

Where to go. We could try finding the cult leaders, which would leave only agnostics. We also have to get rid of god, as our win condition says, though that may be hard, as he is basically an SK - he only cares about killing his target, and he's got no partners, thus much less chance of making scum slip-ups.

If we kill the cult leaders, this may be a sort of indirect way of killing God - He knows who the cult leaders are, it may help us in the finding of god.

I'm still unsure of what direction we should take.

Vote: Populartajo

, anyway, for making me think too much. (Z didn't really have much to do with it, I just happened to quote him.)

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EA played well in this game. I did a deep meta on him about six months ago, and he has really improved. There is a real chance that zakeri NK'd him in self-defense.

I think that it is much more likely that zakeri is being set up by Jahudo or Jebus.

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1 out of (Jebus,zwet,zakeri,Jahudo) is god. There is a real chance that qwint naming Jebus as unrecruitable was a wifom gambit.. he had nothing to lose at that point.

Frankly, I think we will have to lynch Jebus at some point. My only chance to win as an agnostic is to lynch him today.

unvote, vote: Jebus

I am prime recruitment bait, so this is the only honest day you can count on getting out of me, and my intuition is screaming that qwint tried a gambit... he doubled down by outing Jebus as unrecruitable...

unvote, vote dgb

I'm the Christian cult leader, lynching me doesn't do agnostics any good.

I tried to recruit Jebus last night and failed. If he isn't a cult leader, that means he's either a cult recruit or Nietzsche.

[Assuming that I am about to be lynched, I see facilitating a god win as a plus for my role.

he never mentioned the possibility that Jebus was god. That was his false premise.Note how complete his maths are in subsequent posts. He could not be unaware of the possibility that Jebus was god. He had to keep god alive, but he also had to keep himself alive. Naming Jebus as unrecruitable would keep N. from vigging god.

unvote, vote: Jebus

[Adel]

here is DGB in a nutshell: she plays mafia to fuck with people.

She prefers to be scum because then she can really fuck with people. She doesn't care if she wins when she is town. Read 4 or 5 games where she is town and 3 where she is scum. I find her presence in a game to be useful when I am town regardless of her alignment since I am familiar with her past games -- she gets lots of reactions out of people, and sometimes her intuition is good.

[Adel]

the key to this setup is as follows:
1. cult games are rare, and the players in this game are likely to be unfamilar with the defining characteristics of cult games
2. CR and God are likely to try to appear as pro-town as possible.
3. Townies are likely to lurk since they don't know when or if they will get recruited.
4. Players with hidden information (scum) are much more likely to name each other.
5. All of my chief scum suspects named Jebus multiple times.

[mykonian]

after day one, it isn't surprising that Bloodmoney got culted, is it HP? Just see what I'm voted for now, I got way too many votes for such a weak case.

I must say, what Adel posts here, that is great. I believe it. The only thing that is weird, is the activity that was more often around Jebus...

[Adel]

The only thing that is weird, is the activity that was more often around Jebus...

what do you mean by this. Now is not the time for you to type short posts. Use more words. Explain yourself using specifics.

[zwetschenwasser]

Hm... I don't think we're going to get along.

[X]

um the fact DGB-cult and Jebus-OBVCULT are on mykonian's wagon is enough reason to pile off it in droves.

Please vote Zakeri and I'll give you candy.

I take your premises ("DGB-cult and Jebus-OBVCULT") with significant doubt.

I have a player specific meta against qwints now: he has a scumtell. He, like many players before they learn better, mentions his scum buddy by name in his first post.
This scumtell is quite common for newer players, and is mostly useful in large games where the odds of a person typing another person's name are lower.

link to him naming his scumpartner with one other player in his first post where he names a name

That's some good stuff.

1 out of (Jebus,zwet,zakeri,Jahudo) is god.

And you're eliminating mykonian based on...

Adel, you are really tempting me to vote for Jebus yet again. But I still think there's a good chance of mykonian being God. Why isn't he?

And as an aside, ZSW's most recent comment wins.

[Jahudo]

I have a player specific meta against qwints now: he has a scumtell. He, like many players before they learn better, mentions his scum buddy by name in his first post.
This scumtell is quite common for newer players, and is mostly useful in large games where the odds of a person typing another person's name are lower.

link to him naming his scumpartner with one other player in his first post where he names a name

unvote, vote: Jebus

It looks like in that case he labeled one of his buddies as scum but only devotes 1 sentence to that, then has a couple paragraphs where he suspects half the town. If that thinktank guy died would qwints have died? Because I think distancing is different when it involves cults and lovers.

And if Jebus is a CL we don't want to lynch him. I think it's a good bet he is because I still think he was asking god to kill someone he thought was Neitsche.

Why do I get two points for him saying happy birthday? I think as a fluff post that's a null tell.

[zwetschenwasser]

Adel's taking into account any mention of the player in question. Did you read the posts?

[Jahudo]

I don't understand her point distribution.

[X]

Uh, guys...

The deadline is on

March 24th

at 4:00 PM PST.

We need consensus, and soon.

populartajo is lurking bigtime.

Mod, prod mask man, populartajo, and Zakeri.