Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

veerus · Post Post #800 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:50 am

Abstract Actuary wrote:Ok, looking at it. I'm fine trading away our bishop for their knight. Right now our top priority is safety. We achieve that mainly between development and repositioning our king. Be3 doesn't help us develop, whereas g3 does. I don't like our bishop on e2 as it suffocates our already vulnerable queen so I want to develop it to its right. g3 protects the pawn and moves to develop the f bishop.

Move: g3

Pretty much agrees with what I said. Since sirdanilot is undecided gives me more comfort that he and his scumpartner don't want this move played and all the more reason for me to

move: g3

Indigo Heron · Post Post #801 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:20 pm

My VAIO has run into several unexpected problems for a laptop of its stature (PC shuts down without warning!), so I am on indefinite V/LA (probably a week) while it is in the repair shop.

However, I do like my development of g3...so...

move: g3

Goatrevolt · Post Post #802 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:52 pm

Move g3

Definitely better than Be2, Be3, Qe3.

sirdanilot · Post Post #803 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:12 am

I just don't see the merit of g3?

Max · Post Post #804 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:24 am

Is that "lynch"?

Awesome Pants · Post Post #805 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:38 am

Max wrote:Is that "lynch"?

Yes.

Awesome Pants · Post Post #806 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:40 am

Night Actions in ASAP.

Awesome Pants · Post Post #807 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:30 am

Abstract Actuary · Post Post #808 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:26 am

We have to move the Queen. e3, e2 and b3 are the only safe squares. At this point I can see some merit for each of them and at the same time none stand out as great moves. After Qe3 or Qe2 a knight move discover attacks the c2 pawn, while opening up the e-file for an attack on our queen/king. I'm not seeing anything particularly devastating, but it isn't good for us. For this reason, I'm leaning towards Qb3, despite it suffocating our queen.

Here are the boards.

veerus · Post Post #809 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:28 pm

I like Qb3. It puts pressure on the b4 pawn and allows us to later play c3 to clear up some of the cluster on that side of the board. Plus it also gives us the option to play Bf3 which develops the white squared bishop while prompting another chance at an exchange.

Oh, and,

vote: sirdanilot

. My money's on him not really being useful in this day's discussion except to claim who's scum.. i.e. pretty much to continue what he's been doing most of the game.

Indigo Heron · Post Post #810 (ISO) » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:50 am

@AA and veerus: Perhaps it would be best if you actually sat down and thought about the implications of Qb3. I see Qb3, for all its short-term gains, does us little benefit in the future. Qe3 may put us on the backfoot for a while, but eventually, Qe3 will prevail.

Abstract Actuary · Post Post #811 (ISO) » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:56 am

At this point I still favor Qb3. Our queen has less mobility, but it also adds pressure, defends our c pawn and is less vulnerable than on the open e-file.

sirdanilot · Post Post #812 (ISO) » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:26 am

Why do we need to move the queen?

I love how veerus hasn't even bothered to read my defense against him. oh wait why would scum do that. veerus, if you want to enter the mafia phase, do it good or just don't do it.

veerus · Post Post #813 (ISO) » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:35 pm

I don't see any gains.. it's a passive move that doesn't accomplish anything except to lock our queen in with our own pawns and, theoretically, put it on a collision course with a possible pin in the e-file in a couple moves. In fact, as long as the king isn't castled, I'd like for the queen to stay away from the e-file.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #814 (ISO) » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:42 pm

Qe2 looks to be the worst option.

As for Qe3 and Qb3, I need to look through each variation, but Qb3 looks better to me at first glance.

Abstract Actuary · Post Post #815 (ISO) » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:39 am

sirdanilot wrote:Why do we need to move the queen?

They are threatening Nf2 or Nxg3.

sirdanilot · Post Post #816 (ISO) » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:19 am

? the g3 square is protected. So is f2. I can see it threatening Nxd2 though. Why don't we move the Bd2 somewhere instead.

wow I should have replaced out of this game... but oh well I am here now so I'll just try to do what I can. I am not replacing out, that would be lame.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #817 (ISO) » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:34 pm

sirdanilot wrote:? the g3 square is protected. So is f2. I can see it threatening Nxd2 though. Why don't we move the Bd2 somewhere instead

The reason we need to move our queen is because of the "discovered" attack on the queen from black's bishop when they move the knight. For example, if black moves Nxg3, then they are attacking the rook with their knight and also attacking the queen with their bishop at the same time. We'd have to move the queen so we don't lose it to the bishop, but we would end up losing our rook for free to the knight in return.

sirdanilot · Post Post #818 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:34 am

Ah ok now I get it.

Qe3 is better. Unlike what veerus-scum is trying to indoctrinate into our brains, Qb3 is clearly not the best option. It does not put any pressure on any pawn; a simple ...a5 will suffice to lock the queen up. Qe2 puts the queen too far back, meaning Qe3 will get my vote.

move: Qe3

Abstract Actuary · Post Post #819 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:28 am

Move: Qb3

Max · Post Post #820 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:40 am

If we move to E3 they'll probably move to g5, followed by us a bishop to C3 then they move their knight to C5 (if they're following optimal strategy), then we'll move bishop to d3. It gives us a bishop and a knight at most, overall a disappointing plan.

veerus · Post Post #821 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:20 am

sirdanilot wrote:Ah ok now I get it.

Qe3 is better. Unlike what veerus-scum is trying to indoctrinate into our brains, Qb3 is clearly not the best option. It does not put any pressure on any pawn; a simple ...a5 will suffice to lock the queen up. Qe2 puts the queen too far back, meaning Qe3 will get my vote.

move: Qe3

Says the guy who didn't even realize we needed to move the queen in the first place.

move: Qb3

It's really the only option that makes any sense in this position.

Awesome Pants · Post Post #822 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:08 am

Vote Count
Moves

Qb3 (2)-veerus,Abstract Actuary
Qe3 (1)-sirdanilot

People

sirdanilot (1)-veerus

sirdanilot · Post Post #823 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:24 pm

Max wrote:If we move to E3 they'll probably move to g5, followed by us a bishop to C3 then they move their knight to C5 (if they're following optimal strategy), then we'll move bishop to d3. It gives us a bishop and a knight at most, overall a disappointing plan.

Then prove to me how Qb3 is less disappointing.

Yes veerus, I did not realize that we had to move the queen. That is simply because of lack of chess experience and temporal inability to find out the logic why we need to move it. However, the fact that I am now trying to put my thoughts out there, despite my ignorance of chess, should have put me on your townie list a long, long time ago, because this is not the first time I've tried to do this.
Never have I pretended to know more about chess than anyone here.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #824 (ISO) » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:14 am

Checking in to see if I was replaced or not... the first post is unclear.