726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

[Tarhalindur]

As for Isacc - forbiddanlight's original role name was Mafia Temptress. If that's not a roleblock or similar I don't know what is.

Right, I remember now. The old "Prostitute" for roleblocker thing...I did forget that. I will forgive you on this now.

However, I disagree with the idea that she is a roleblocker (or at least, all a roleblocker). When Vi died after her he was described as "committed suicide," which reminds me of the flavor for lovers, hence my not thinking roleblocker.

When Vi died, I assumed somebody had the Death Note ability, personally - I've used "suicided" as the Death Note kill method in both games I had it in.

Though, now that I think about it, Mafia Lover-Maker could also fit that role name and does sound like a cool role...

[Tarhalindur]

In other news... I'm torn. As a player, I want forbiddanlight to claim scum partner on the off chance she's telling the truth. As a moderator, I don't, since then, in order to be even remotely consistent about my scumbuddy claim policy, I would have to permaban forbiddanlight from my games. (Also, scumbuddy claims have ALWAYS been modkillable in my games, so it's a safe bet they are modkillable here as well. Not that I would necessarily be adverse to a forbiddanlight modkill.)

But if a role is designed to turn from mafia to town, then it's the fault in the design, not the player... Right?

Such roles are not unprecedented AFAIK, and - more importantly - my "no scumbuddy claims" rule (Rule 2 in my games) is partially in place as a failsafe just in case I create a role that can recruit Mafiosos (see: MS3 Inquisitor) and/or a role that switches alignments after a condition is met.

So, no dice.

Irrelevant now anyways, since she's refused to claim scum partner.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Tarhalindur has been whack-a-moled. Tar's alignment is: Townie.

Vote Count resets.

[MafiaSSK]

Okay then. That's good. We should be able to trust Tar's theories then.

[veerus]

Yes, and lynch the mod.

vote: mm

[MafiaSSK]

Who hammers?

Vote mm

[Tarhalindur]

Who hammers?

Vote mm

Forbiddanlight's replacement, with you being my second choice.

Vote: Machiavellian-Mafia

[Isacc]

Makes sense. Both the mod and FL are likely to be scum (or at least, too dangerous to believe they are town), so I'd say MM lynch with FL hammer seems like a plan.

Vote: Machiavellian-Mafia

[populartajo]

Votecount pluz.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

19th Vote Count

Illumina():
Tarhalindur():
Populartajo():
Isacc():
Natirasha/MM(4): veerus, MafiaSSK, Tarhalindur, Isacc
MafiaSSK():
veerus():
UnofficialRulerofEveryone():
Forbiddanlight():


FoS Count
Illumina():
Tarhalindur():
Populartajo():
Isacc():
Natirasha():
MafiaSSK():
veerus():
UnofficialRulerofEveryone():
Forbiddanlight():

[Isacc]

FL:

Hammer away.

[Isacc]

Oh right, he's being replaced...nvm that xD

[veerus]

FL could just come back and hammer and then she won't need a replacement.

[forbiddanlight]

I could, but you all suck. Die in a fire

Vote Machievellian Mafia

Don't revive me again. EVER. I will kill you. Somehow. seeing as how I'm about to prove I'm not scum

If I live through this, make sure I'm replaced.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

With FL's vote, I have been lynched.

It's twilight! Submit choices to me ASAP.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Machiavellian-Mafia, Jesus Christ(from The Holy Bible), Prinny Vassal, Lynched Day 4

Forbiddanlight, Amante(from Zone of the Enders: Fist of Mars), Prinny Vassal, Died of Jewish Guilt Day 4

Illumina, G-Man(from Half-Life), Neutral Liason, Entered the Vortescence Day 4

Vi has been revived.

It's now Day 5!

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Updated opening post:

In the Woods

MafiaSSK
populartajo
UnofficialRulerOfEveryone
Isacc
Tarhalindur
veerus
Vi, resurrected Day 4

Found Their Way Back

hp [leaves], bender rodriguez(from futurama), the robo-supremacist. Dismantled day one.
Machiavellian-Mafia, Jesus Christ(from The Holy Bible), Prinny Vassal, Lynched Day 4
Forbiddanlight, Amante(from Zone of the Enders: Fist of Mars), Prinny Vassal, Died of Jewish Guilt Day 4

Lost. Permanently.

Zwetzenwhatsit, Lain Iwakura(from Serial Experiments Lain), scihizophrenic townie. Died of Jewish guiltday one.
Illumina, G-Man(from Half-Life), Neutral Liason, Entered the Vortescence Day 4

[Vi]

Tarhalindur, I really do apologize that I keep ruining your Mafia life, but--

What's it like to be mortal?

[veerus]

what the..... is prinny vassal town, mafia or some new faction? Sounds culty to me. Which means that Vi is likely of the same alignment. Do we want to lynch her or go after mafiassk?

[MafiaSSK]

what the..... is prinny vassal town, mafia or some new faction? Sounds culty to me. Which means that Vi is likely of the same alignment. Do we want to lynch her or go after mafiassk?

Prinny Vasal probably isn't town but could be a new mafia or a new faction

[Isacc]

I think I have a theory.

Something that crossed my mind:

Why would a reviver revive the mod and a scum? Not really logical choices, if reviver was town.


I think the answer is actually quite simple, especially when looking at the identical roles of mod-player and FL. Cult recruiter, most likely one of the neutrals, except instead of a recruiter of live players, they resurrect dead ones.

Conclusion: I don't think we should lynch Vi. I think if we lynch Vi, next day another person will be resurrected anyways, and we'll be back in the same boat. I think that we should instead try to find the cult recruiter.

[Tarhalindur]

Thoughts:

- I concur with Prinnies being survivor-cult. (Dammit, I was planning on using a variant of that role in a future game.)
- Illumina was neutral, he removed himself from the game yesterday, and the flavor appears to be linked to his own role. I strongly believe his role was a Survivor of the same type that I used in Mind Screw Mafia 1 (might be a Hitman instead); at any rate, I'm almost certain he removed himself from the game. That means there's a missing Mafia kill to account for.
- I blocked MafiaSSK D4, in the belief that he was likely the last Mafioso. Given that there's probably no Mafia kill yesterday, I believe I was right.
- We know the exact identity of each possible Mafioso and each possible neutral. Consider the following information:

- A player was revived on each of D2, D3, and D4. This means, barring something odd like Rapid Actions, that I have never roleblocked the Prinny maker (and I'd be astounded if there was an unroleblockable Cult (anything Cult-like is already risky in a Mini).
- There is a missing kill D4. There may be a missing kill D1, but there is a possible alternative: looking over my ability wording again, the kill effect may be a replacement effect instead of a bonus effect (in other words, the mod notes could be that I can kill or roleblock, depending on ability type, but not both) - the Kinetic "kill" could have been due to hp [leaves]. Alternately, it could have been something built into either his role or Nat's role. There are no other missing kills that I can see.
- I roleblocked hp [leaves] D1, Isacc D2, veerus D3, and MafiaSSK D4.
- Vi is all-but-confirmed Prinny Vassal, given that all other revived players have had that role.
- Prinny maker probably comes from a Disgaea game (I admire Nat's taste). If somebody has rolebased that a player comes from Disgaea, now's the time to speak up.

Conclusions:
- MafiaSSK is, in keeping with his player name, Mafia, and made the Mafia kill D4. Given that Kinetic, when he was posting as a player, was revealed as Mafia Godfather, I strongly suspect that MafiaSSK is the last Mafioso (at least on the player list...)
- Populartajo is probably the Prinny maker (I'm investigated Town; Vi is confirmed non-Cult Leader; veerus, Isacc, and MafiaSSK have been roleblocked by me and survived, and thus aren't the Cult Leader; UROE is inactive, so the only way he can recruit is if the recruiting is forced), and probably a Cult Leader.
- I'm getting really, really paranoid about the possibility that Kinetic has the invisible/Lain ability (given how much Nat has tried to subvert my comments this game, fitting a different version of Lain in this game sounds like something he'd do) and is still in the game (either as a Mafia Godfather or as a Cult Leader). I'm probably using my roleblock on him today (especially since Kinetic might be Number 6, and Number 6, as a Cylon, might be viggable).

Question is: Do we kill MafiaSSK or poptajo today?

Second question is: Could mass ability claim be worth it? We're approaching the point where I should be able to break the setup in half.

[Tarhalindur]

EBWOP Prinnies being reviver-cult.

Vi, got anything to say about that?

[Tarhalindur]

Tarhalindur, I really do apologize that I keep ruining your Mafia life, but--

What's it like to be mortal?

"But I don't want to go among mad people," said Alice.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "we're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad."
"How do you know that I'm mad?" asked Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

I understand. I understand everything.

*insert mad scientist laughter here*

Now, I do think you're scum (off topic posts? Two words: Mafia 87), but you're not a Cult Leader so I still have time for a little tea or crumpets before I shove you into the noose in a couple of game days.

Where is the avatar from? (I think I know the answer all too well, but I'm double checking. Especially given the Nixon avatar you had earlier.)

[Tarhalindur]

[quote="mysterious numbers (hai Count of Monte Cristo)]4-2-2[/quote]

Hmm.

Alive, Day 2:

4 - Town, fairly clearly. (presumably Tarhalindur, Isacc, veerus, UROE)
2 - Mafia (forbiddanlight, MafiaSSK)
2 - Neutral (poptajo, Vi?)
1 - Not a Faction (Illumina*)

Dead, Day 2:
2 - Town (Natirasha**, zwetschenwasser)
1? - Mafia? (Kinetic?)
1 - Neutral (hp [leaves])

* - Count of Monte Cristo has always provided a list of factions. I've only made one neutral with a triggered win condition that counted as a member of a faction (Star Child, Mind Screw 1 - Babylon 5 Soul Hunter doesnt count due to the anti-factions), while all others that didn't have to kill off all other factions (Mind Screw 3 Haruhi, all Mind Screw 3 Jesters, Ocarina of Time Past-Ganondorf - all didn't have to be killed off for other factions to win) have explicitly said they don't count as a faction.

Now, the standard wording of the Count of Monte Cristo ability:

The Day of Sagittarius:

"Until further notice, each Vote Count will contain a list of the number of factions and the number of surviving players in each of those factions."

If Illumina had the "are not counted as a faction" clause in his win con, the mysterious numbers make sense as a Count result: Illumina wasn't a faction (and hence not counted) and Vi was an SK-miller (can you confirm this, Vi?).

Hell, this theory would also explain why Nat screwed up on the original Count result (4-2-

3

) in the first place - he forgot that Illumina wasn't a member of a faction (as per win condition) and included him in the count of the neutrals.

I probably should have caught on to this earlier.

** - Natirasha wasn't Prinny at the point of the original Count, since he was revived at end of Day 2.

Now, I just had another, probably insane thought... what if Kinetic's role was such that two players (Kinetic, MafiaSSK) had the same role, but only one counted towards the Mafia win condition? When the first one died off, the second would become the only real player...

Doesn't affect the play today at all, but it's an interesting idea to speculate on.