Mini 763 - Carnival Mafia - Game Over

[Nocmen]

Unvote

Vote: Nocmen

L-2, let's get rid of this scum.

Reasons? Besides the fact I'm voting you?

Still asking for a response to this.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Unvote

Vote: Nocmen

L-2, let's get rid of this scum.

Reasons? Besides the fact I'm voting you?

Still asking for a response to this.

Your claim was false.

[VP Baltar]

Let's say for posterity's sake you wanted to state your reasons for voting Nocment, DDD. What would they be?

[Grimmy]

I.e. what makes you say he made a fake claim?

I still have no idea what a supposed Popcorn Vendor is supposed to do.
I would like to know, or get a general idea, so it can stop sounding like a fake claim.

Im not saying it IS a fake claim, but I cant make heads or tails of it either.
For now, I believe nocmen though.

Im more suspicious of WLC for that shanba vote though. Ill read more and get back to that one later or next week (im gone for weekends)

Grimmy

[Shinnen_no_Me]

Btw, I'm leaving for vacations, so I won't be much active. However, I'll try to post something useful at least once per day.

Noted. ~SP

[VP Baltar]

Shanba, it was you who made the case on Grimmy I think, do you think he should be today's lynch? WLC? DDD?

[Kairyuu]

@all:I have a few theories about DDD right now. One of them could be very good for us, and the other could be very bad. Either way, lynching him is not the way to go at this moment. Nocmen first.

Also, I have a crapload of homework this weekend, so I'll be less than active until Monday.

[VP Baltar]

I think we are probably thinking along the same lines Kairyuu. I think people need to be a bit more cautious in voting him just because he is being annoying.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@all:I have a few theories about DDD right now. One of them could be very good for us, and the other could be very bad.

Real astute analysis there Kairyuu. This could be good or it could be bad.

But it's all irrelevant because we should listen to the rest of his advice and lynch Nocmen as fast as possible.

[Kairyuu]

@DDD: Stop that! You're making me reconsider everything I say. Bad DDD. Down boy!

[VP Baltar]

DDD, why did you switch your vote to Nocmen from WLC?

[Kairyuu]

V/LA until Monday night

Noted. ~SP

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD, why did you switch your vote to Nocmen from WLC?

Because I was voting WLC for basically similar behavior as I had exhibited and that would've been hypocritical. Granted he was a little more dense about it considering he kept his vote on the person after he realized his mistake, but hardly a lynchable offense. Plus you've been wavering all over the place and Empking and Kairyuu seem so insistent and persuasive in their desire to lynch Nocmen which makes that lynch that much more likely to actually happen. All else being equal, I favor being lazy.

[Nocmen]

DDD, why did you switch your vote to Nocmen from WLC?

Because I was voting WLC for basically similar behavior as I had exhibited and that would've been hypocritical. Granted he was a little more dense about it considering he kept his vote on the person after he realized his mistake, but hardly a lynchable offense. Plus you've been wavering all over the place and Empking and Kairyuu seem so insistent and persuasive in their desire to lynch Nocmen which makes that lynch that much more likely to actually happen. All else being equal, I favor being lazy.

So wait, you voted because other people voted me, and you want to go with a lynch that will likely happen quicker?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD, why did you switch your vote to Nocmen from WLC?

Because I was voting WLC for basically similar behavior as I had exhibited and that would've been hypocritical. Granted he was a little more dense about it considering he kept his vote on the person after he realized his mistake, but hardly a lynchable offense. Plus you've been wavering all over the place and Empking and Kairyuu seem so insistent and persuasive in their desire to lynch Nocmen which makes that lynch that much more likely to actually happen. All else being equal, I favor being lazy.

So wait, you voted because other people voted me, and you want to go with a lynch that will likely happen quicker?

They were very persuasive.

[WeyounsLastClone]

I really don't think DDD is really all that helpful at the moment (but I'm neither with my lack of posting, sorry for that), but lynching him isn't the best option I guess at this point.

At this point, I find VP Baltar quite suspicious. I feel he's a bit grasping at straws, and he tries to have other people decide who to lynch (which clears him if the lynch might turn wrong).

I'll reread the thread more thoroughly tomorrow or the day after, and hope to have a bit more explanation. For now,

unvote. Vote VP Baltar.

[VP Baltar]

At this point, I find VP Baltar quite suspicious. I feel he's a bit grasping at straws, and he tries to have other people decide who to lynch (which clears him if the lynch might turn wrong).

Would love to hear this explained a bit more.

Everyone should ignore DDD right now, imo.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Everyone should ignore DDD right now, imo.

So are you claiming cop, vig, or scum with this one?

[Shinnen_no_Me]

I'll be waiting for that post, Kairyuu, as I really need something that makes me take away this idea of lynching DDD...

WLC, I'd also want to know what do you mean with that (the accusation on VPB).

[VP Baltar]

So are you claiming cop, vig, or scum with this one?

I'm not claiming anything, and you shouldn't be rolefishing. I have an idea of what you are in this game, and everyone should ignore your really bad play. You don't come off to me as a dullard, so I think it's intentional bad play on your part and that is everyone should be ignoring you right now and focusing on finding scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

So are you claiming cop, vig, or scum with this one?

I'm not claiming anything, and you shouldn't be rolefishing.

I'm just trying to understand, no normal townie should ever flat out tell the town to ignore someone, bad idea. However, for various reasons all of the three roles listed would/could have reason for saying that and if my rolefishing can get you to admit to being scum, all the better for the town.

I have an idea of what you are in this game,

I don't think you do, I think that you think that you know, when in reality, you really don't.

and everyone should ignore your really bad play. You don't come off to me as a dullard, so I think it's intentional bad play on your part

Why thank you, "You don't come off to me as a dullard" is the nicest thing anyone has said to me all day. Then again, I have yet to talk to anyone so far today.

and that is everyone should be ignoring you right now and focusing on finding scum.

I agree with part of this. We should be focused on finding scum (Lynch Nocmen!), but ignoring anyone is a poor idea.

[VP Baltar]

The reason I think people should be ignoring you right now DDD is that your play is atrocious. I also think your play has shifted quite drastically from day 1 to a much more anti-town position.

Additionally, you've yet to specifically state why you think Nocmen should be the lynch today. This is another reason for people to disregard your positions at this time. If you want him lynched, then please specifically outline what about his role claim you think is lynch worthy.

[Empking]

A lot of players are acting quite scummy but I think the major Nocmen thing is too major to ignore.

[Shanba]

Shanba, it was you who made the case on Grimmy I think, do you think he should be today's lynch? WLC? DDD?

I am satisfied that I should be voting him. That's not quite the same thing, though I do think he is a very good lynch in this case.

Nocmen is also a good lynch. He and Skye made similar slips. Nocmen looks far more town generally than skye, though.

Empking, which players are scting scummy?

WLC, you DO NOT get to disappear right now. You get to explain in detail what you thought was scummy in my post.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

The reason I think people should be ignoring you right now DDD is that your play is atrocious. I also think your play has shifted quite drastically from day 1 to a much more anti-town position.

If you're telling me that you've already got the perfect read on me that's well and good (I don't believe it, but I'll allow you to harbor such delusions). However, it's a touch baffling that you claim to speak for the rest of this town on the matter, when it in fact appears that others are quite confused or have multiple possible reads. Why are you proposing that these other players stop seeking the truth and simply adopt your own version of it? If you don't have inside information then such behavior is quite anti-town as no topic of discussion or inquisition should be ruled out of bounds by a single individual.

Additionally, you've yet to specifically state why you think Nocmen should be the lynch today. This is another reason for people to disregard your positions at this time. If you want him lynched, then please specifically outline what about his role claim you think is lynch worthy.

Because Nocmen claimed a mechanic to his role that he has no idea how it works and so far doesn't appear to work at all. Either he's intentionally withholding information or lying about his role, both actions are highly anti-town.