Mini 763 - Carnival Mafia - Game Over

[Kairyuu]

So you've claimed vanilla essentially? But with a breadcrumb? Scum can do that too ya know. I believe your claim, but it doesn't confirm you, since the possibility exists that you are lying and set up the fakeclaim early on.

OK. So here's what we have thus far:

VP Baltar: Waffle vendor (vanilla)
Nocmen: Popcorn vendor (vanilla?)
Empking: Reporter (tracker)
Kairyuu: Carnival Owner (doublevoter)
Shinnen: No claim yet
WLC: No claim yet
Grimmy: No claim yet

Shinnen or WLC, whichever of you posts next should include a claim.

Also, I'm leaning heavily towards (double)voting Empking right now,because I doubt we would have 2 trackers (or at least, 2 pro-town trackers) in a Mini, bastard-ish or not. Plus, the flavor doesn't fit.

[Kairyuu]

Oh yeah, question for you VP: You expressed the possibility that I was a scum doublevoter, but previous to my claim you had me down as 'likely town.' Has that opinion changed, or were you just expressing the belief that I am not 100% confirmed.

[Empking]

Also, I'm leaning heavily towards (double)voting Empking right now,because I doubt we would have 2 trackers (or at least, 2 pro-town trackers) in a Mini, bastard-ish or not. Plus, the flavor doesn't fit.

Good thing I'm not a tracker nor have I claimed to be a tracker.

FoS: Kair

[VP Baltar]

I would say you're still pretty much town in my eyes, but not 100% confirmed. Unfortunately, I tend to be far more leary of adept players than bumbling ones. You made a good point about a scum double voter throwing the game out of balance though. I know the game is bastardish, but that just seems cruel. I still think WLC or Emp should be the lynch today.

[VP Baltar]

haha, it's pretty funny how Emp thinks everyone who questions him is scum.

[Kairyuu]

@Emp: You claimed a role that determines if someone uses an action at Night. That's almost exactly what a tracker is, except that it doesn't show the target. Plus, you slipped up and said that Shanba, who we know had no powers, used one N2. While this can be argued, because the kill flavor was "left," you then said that he didn't leave his house. Either way, you screwed up your claim, and are very likely scum because of it.

[Empking]

haha, it's pretty funny how Emp thinks everyone who questions him is scum.

Wow, Emp finds people who lie about the role Empking claimed scummy. How terrible.

[Empking]

@Emp: You claimed a role that determines if someone uses an action at Night. That's almost exactly what a tracker is, except that it doesn't show the target.

That's not a good excuse.

Plus, you slipped up and said that Shanba, who we know had no powers, used one N2. While this can be argued, because the kill flavor was "left," you then said that he didn't leave his house. Either way, you screwed up your claim, and are very likely scum because of it.

Wow I mixed up the mod saying "left" in the day post and in my PM. Wow.

[Kairyuu]

@WLC, Shinnen, and Grimmy: Hurry up and claim so we can lynch Empking already.

unvote

and

vote: Empking

. Your opinions on the matter don't really worry me, scum.

[Empking]

K: Why can you buy the vanilla townies have the same flavour meaning that scum that claimed VT would be lynched due to factors outside there control but not town having two investigation roles?

[Kairyuu]

Because vanilla townies usually have similar flavor, in keeping with the fact that they are the same role, whereas town having two of essentially the same investigative roles is highly unlikely, especially given the meta that the "watcher/ tracker" pair is prevalent. If we have another invesitgative role I would expect it to be a watcher or something similar.

[VP Baltar]

Wow I mixed up the mod saying "left" in the day post and in my PM. Wow.

The question really is why did you need to look at your role PM to report on who you investigated. Not to mention, remembering two investigations doesn't seem to be such a taxing thing that anyone should slip up in typing them.

Wow, Emp finds people who lie about the role Empking claimed scummy. How terrible.

You do realize that town people don't know what your role is right? Doubting and lying are two different things, and questioning you is hardly scummy. Fortunately, such passionate OMGUS is in fact scummy.

[Empking]

Wow I mixed up the mod saying "left" in the day post and in my PM. Wow.

The question really is why did you need to look at your role PM to report on who you investigated.

To doublecheck after thinking that left sounded wrong.

Not to mention, remembering two investigations doesn't seem to be such a taxing thing that anyone should slip up in typing them.

It is when the mod says "left" just before you check the mod PM where one of the options was "left"

Wow, Emp finds people who lie about the role Empking claimed scummy. How terrible.

You do realize that town people don't know what your role is right? Doubting and lying are two different things, and questioning you is hardly scummy. Fortunately, such passionate OMGUS is in fact scummy.

Good thing he lied about it then, isn't it?

[SilverPhoenix]

The Twelfth Votecount

Kairyuu ~ 1

(Grimmy)

Grimmy ~ 1
Nocmen ~ 0
Empking ~ 2

(WeyounsLastClone, Kairyuu)

Shinnen_no_Me ~ 0
VP Baltar ~ 1

(Empking)

WeyounsLastClone ~ 1

(VP Baltar)

Not Voting ~

(Shinnen_no_Me, Nocmen)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[Kairyuu]

And there it is. Grimmy has one vote, and all of the other votes are accounted for. I have proven myself to be a doublevoter. I'm just gonna leave the vote there until the claims are done, at which point I will vote Emp.

[VP Baltar]

Yep, confirmed. WLC and Shinnen claim now.

[Empking]

And there it is. Grimmy has one vote, and all of the other votes are accounted for. I have proven myself to be a doublevoter. I'm just gonna leave the vote there until the claims are done, at which point I will vote Emp.

So you

want

to reduce the amount of info the town has?

[Kairyuu]

@Emp: Do 3 votes make a lynch? I'm just declaring that it will be there, so that the next person to vote knows that they will be the hammer.

[Empking]

@Emp: Do 3 votes make a lynch? I'm just declaring that it will be there, so that the next person to vote knows that they will be the hammer.

No but it means we only get three players instead of four.

[Nocmen]

I'm feeling better with Kairyuu's role and his claim. A scum double voter, IMO, is way too powerful, and I'm feeling a bit confident about his towniness.
Emp's...bothers me a bit. His slip with Shanba's ability, I mean, it's not hard to think about stuff like that.
I see no problem with voting Emp right now, but I really want to hear the other claims before we take him out.

[Kairyuu]

@Emp: Do 3 votes make a lynch? I'm just declaring that it will be there, so that the next person to vote knows that they will be the hammer.

No but it means we only get three players instead of four.

So? What does that change?

@all: Given the interactions centering upon Emp, here's my hypothesis. If Emp flips scum (likely), then Shinnen and WLC are confirmed town beyond a doubt, which leaves Grimmy to be our last remaining scum.

If he is town, then all of that goes out the window of course, and WLC and Grimmy are practically confirmed to be the last two.

[Empking]

@Emp: Do 3 votes make a lynch? I'm just declaring that it will be there, so that the next person to vote knows that they will be the hammer.

No but it means we only get three players instead of four.

So? What does that change?
.

The amount of information we get.

How would WLC be confirmed town?

[WeyounsLastClone]

I'm running the gun show at the carnival. Being the grizzled war veteran, I've had enough of fighting in wars, and joined the carnival. Now because lots of my money went to booze and women I need the Puppeteers gone so I can still make money.
The role associated is the one-shot vig.

Using your vig night 1 is just too dangerous in my opinion. Night 2 I was at a loss if I should use it, and if so, on who. Sure I suspected VP the most, but I still wasn't sure enough, because he also had some things that deep down make me think he could be town.

@VP. How would you prove you're town? Surely you don't mean that bread crumb of yours is proving you're town?

@Kairyuu. What I find strange about your double vote is that you can spread it over two different persons. You just have a vote you can use through pm's that you can switch at any time, and use any number of times during a day? Is there a cost/restriction involved?

[VP Baltar]

Well, Weyouns I can't prove anything having no powers. A breadcrumb is really the best I can do. However, I would ask you if you don't think that was a strange thing to say at the time?

If I was scum I would have had to have the foresight to breadcrumb, be one of the first to question my partner Chief and bus her. Also, I was against Nocmen's lynch for most of the game.

Also, your claims sounds kind of sketchy. A grizzled war veteran in 1829 Germany? So you fought in the war of German Unification? Seems a bit farcical to me. That being said, it could seemingly balance having a Jester.

[Kairyuu]

@WLC:

What I find strange about your double vote is that you can spread it over two different persons. You just have a vote you can use through pm's that you can switch at any time, and use any number of times during a day?

That's pretty much it. I'm a slightly modified version of a double voter.

Is there a cost/restriction involved?

Nope.