MKM II GAME OVER

[Gorrad]

Vote: Tajo

for one freaky avatar. KTHX DGB!

[Gorrad]

I wasn't in the last game, but Rule #13 seems pretty specific. How do you know there's not another thing like Peach being kidnapped?

[Gorrad]

I wasn't in the last game, but Rule #13 seems pretty specific. How do you know there's not another thing like Peach being kidnapped?

because Law would have told us, specially if it gives scum an autowin, dont ya think?

I trust Lawrencelot to create a game that could not be broken by a name claim (Wow, end rhymes FTW). If he says that mass claiming is a bad idea, I trust that it's a bad idea.

[Gorrad]

I wasn't in the last game, but Rule #13 seems pretty specific. How do you know there's not another thing like Peach being kidnapped?

because Law would have told us, specially if it gives scum an autowin, dont ya think?

I trust Lawrencelot to create a game that could not be broken by a name claim (Wow, end rhymes FTW). If he says that mass claiming is a bad idea, I trust that it's a bad idea.

kay this makes sense.
Do you think there is something hidden to prevent nameclaim or you just think its a bad idea?

Something hidden in what sense? Like the Peach thing, or like a safeclaim? Frankly, I have no idea. One way or another, if the mod says not to do it, I'm not going to do it plain and simple.

[Gorrad]

...HA! Lawrencelot pulled a Space Monkey on us! I completely fell for it, too. I thought I was scum.

Mod: NICE one

As much as I hate to say it, Zwet's in the clear this game. Mafia would know that the Army was the uninformed and therefore NOT make that slip. Town that thought they were scum? That's right up their alley.

Unvote, Vote: AceMarksman

FoS: Shinnen_no_Me

[Gorrad]

Read Space Monkey Mafia. That game had precisely what this did: The town was put in the flavor as the baddies, and in their roles were put as baddies that had lost contact with each other. The town took about half the game before realising that they were claiming to try to lynch the wrong group.

I'm surprised I didn't notice it at the start. I assumed I had a traitor-type role, which I'm sure was EXACTLY what Lawrencelot wanted us to think.

[Gorrad]

You...forgot that your role name was a Mario baddy? Pardon me for totally and completely not believing that. Your FAKECLAIM, I may believe. You wouldn't have as much by way of visuals/flavor text to connect it with. But your role? Nuh-uh. Mario baddies have a distinctive and memorable appearance and are known and loved by most of the gaming world. No one would forget.

[Gorrad]

More clarification: the mario game I spend most of my time on is Galaxy, and my role has an older baddie in it which doesn't get much facetime in Galaxy I'm afraid.

A quick glance at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_enemies combined with my own knowledge of Galaxy, means that there are only a handful of roles that fit. I still don't buy it.

[Gorrad]

...The uninformed majority is ALWAYS the town. I never said it wasn't. By definition, it is.

[Gorrad]

I thought I was scum, as my role was a Mario Baddy. I was wrong. I expect most townies to, like me, not have understood at first that they were town due to Bowser's Army traditionally being the bad guys. Therefore I suspect you and Ace, as y'all assumed that every townie knew they were such, despite the fact that the flavor is counter-intuitive.

To clarify why I thought I was scum despite being uninformed, I basically thought I was a traitor-type role. AKA one with a scum win condition who is uninformed.

[Gorrad]

We've heard from you, Shinnen, myself, and Zwet. The former two understood, the latter two did not. Four is not enough to get a good sample.

[Gorrad]

EBWOP: Plus, despite that, the big thing against y'all is that y'all assumed that EVERYONE would understand their allignment when there's such an obvious break between flavor and allignment. It's the kind of thing scum would do: They all know, for sure, which side they're on, so they take that knowledge and mistakenly apply it to all.

[Gorrad]

vote Surye

I didn't have any confusion about which side I'm on and it feels like you're trying too hard to find something scummy so soon into this game.

Im still analysing reactions but this is by far the most I dislike.
How the hell you werent confused about which side when you get "supposedly" a Bowser Army PM?
I think the most logical reactions is a)Gorrad reaction like thinking he was a traitor or b)Acting confused.
This is a good start.

Vote: Shadowknigh.

Y'see, this is what I have against Ace. He wasn't at all confused by his role, and automatically assumed no one else would be. AND he didn't recognise his role, supposedly, as a Mario baddy. Personally, I find that nigh-impossible unless he has a named villain (I find this unlikely due to the deaths of most of said named villains in MKMI, AKA Bowser, Baby Bowser, and Drybones. There aren't many left).

Also, a thought: There's a warioware item with no Wario. We can probably expect a role from the Warioware games somewhere in this.

[Gorrad]

he didn't recognise his role, supposedly, as a Mario baddy. Personally, I find that nigh-impossible unless he has a named villain

So if he *had* a named bad guy role, for example "Bowser", you'd believe that he didn't recognize it? I don't know if this is just craplogic or straight up being confused about what you meant to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_and_ ... Characters

Cackletta. A villain only found in one game. If he had this role, then I wouldn't expect him to recall it on the fly. Named villains that show up in only one game are mush harder to recall than, say, 'Bullet Bill".

As for the other two, my role PM specifically states that Bowser is dead. I assume the other MKMI deaths carry over as well.

I'm fine with item claims to reduce the pool somewhat. However, as I too cannot purchase items (and therefore do not know what they do), I'm willing to

Unvote: Ace

. I don't think that scum would know that there were roles that had that particular twist.

[Gorrad]

I'm very much in line with Tajo against Orlotan's post right now. Frankly, I have no idea whether or not the scum would know if the town knew that they were town. I'm assuming that they didn't know that the town didn't know that they were town.

I didn't get anything in my PM that said I was town. Just that I was sided with Bowser's Castle. The town PM is also not on the first page. So I didn't think to ask if I was town, because I was pretty sure I wasn't. The only PM I sent to the mod was to ask if I had a fakeclaim. Which, by the way, I didn't. His response to me there also said nothing of my allignment, and the phrasing actually served to reinforce my believe that I was scum. If THEY had asked if they were town, they would have said so following my post. They did not.

[Gorrad]

Who said anything about powerroles not being able to buy items? I was under the impression that we were saying there were roles that, as they could not buy items, were weaker than the average townie.

[Gorrad]

When everyone not in the army is dead.

[Gorrad]

Jesus Christ superstar! What a line of posts.

I'm way good for the making questions for the next person plan. Tajo, make it so!

[Gorrad]

Prices...may not be the best thing with which to test. After all, both teams have four items each. Pricing may well be the same.

[Gorrad]

V/LA from Friday evening until Monday evening. I'll try my best to post when I can.

[Gorrad]

Checking in from sunny San Diego. I have no item descriptions, so I cannot comment on the effectiveness of Tajo's strategy. Orlotan looks scummy as sin, though. WAY different from the Orlotan in Election Mafia. Zwet and Looker are after Tajo not because he's scummy, but because they are both, in my experience with them, not particularly good at this game.

Unvote, Vote: Orlotan

[Gorrad]

Ortolan, in Election Mafia you posted long posts full of specific quotes and reasoning. Reasoning that I did not agree with, but reasoning nonetheless. Here you have, with some exceptions, short posts with very little reasoning.

I'm from Austin. I was visiting San Diego for the weekend, hence my V/LA.

[Gorrad]

Not only do I confirm Ace's statement about not being able to use items (and our PMs saying as such), but I'm also fairly sure that SK's claim is faker than WMDs for other reasons- specifically, that I'm about 80% sure that Goombas are NOT vanilla, or at least not the only vanillas.

Unvote, Vote: Shadow Knight

[Gorrad]

Vote: Sirdanilot

Why are you now in this game? Tell the truth or die.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Sirdanilot

Why are you now in this game? Tell the truth or die.

He prob doesnt know it.

Don't answer for him. He knows it. And he will tell the truth or die.

[Gorrad]

Or hey, how about the fact that Castle folks win when all three non-Castle groups are dead? AKA three anti-town factions. AKA more than one anti-town NK.

Now be quiet, commenting on NKs is scummy. I'd vote for you if I wasn't voting for Sirdanilot. Backing up this is Bleach Mafia with Seraphim as well as Random Mafia 3 with UROE.

[Gorrad]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

The first one had Seraphim-scum lynched, the second had UROE-scum lynched. Both cases started with nightkill commentary, and in both games the scumminess of nightkill-commentary was brought up by yours truely. What does speculation gain? Nothing. What can it lose? An outted doctor.

[Gorrad]

I think you're scum. I'm about 90% sure that sirdanilot is, and I can prove it if he doesn't give the right answer. If he does, then I'll vote for you.

Semioldguy, what makes you think that the order is the same? I can't tell from the names which would go with which, considering I know the abilities of neither, but they could have the same effects with a changed order. Either way, the night kill proves that the item idea was bogus.

[Gorrad]

EBWOP: The first line is, of course, directed at Moratorium.

[Gorrad]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

The first one had Seraphim-scum lynched, the second had UROE-scum lynched. Both cases started with nightkill commentary, and in both games the scumminess of nightkill-commentary was brought up by yours truely. What does speculation gain? Nothing. What can it lose? An outted doctor.

[Gorrad]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

The first one had Seraphim-scum lynched, the second had UROE-scum lynched. Both cases started with nightkill commentary, and in both games the scumminess of nightkill-commentary was brought up by yours truely. What does speculation gain? Nothing. What can it lose? An outted doctor.

As I've said before, NK discussion in this game is HELPFUL.

How?

[Gorrad]

Why do we need to know the setup D2? Find scum. Lynch them. Town win. Yay. And qwints' death pretty much screwed up Tajo's plan.

[Gorrad]

I have some theories that can wait until Sirdanilot posts.

[Gorrad]

LYNCH POPTAJO

Find a corner and sit in it.

[Gorrad]

So? What if this were the case:
Mushroom Kingdom possible PM:
mushroom = x, 1-up shroom = y, fireflower = z, star = a

Bowser’s Castle possible PM:
green shell = y, red shell = z, poison shroom = x, bob-omb = a

All letters were assigned arbitrarily. Even if the items were in the same order, there's nothing to say the powers assigned to the items were.

[Gorrad]

No, sorry, I don't abide by some code of MafiaScumdom that only allows me to discuss certain things
at certain times and not other things at other times.

See Gorrad, i'm not the only one!
In Bleach Mafia that you mentioned, I commented on the NK (or lack of) too. Was I scum? No.
You tried pushing a lynch on me commenting on the NK when you in fact were scum.
Watch how you push your vote this game.

You did it, you were town. UROE and Seraphim did it, they were scum. 2/3 is still a trend.

[Gorrad]

Heck if I know. Maybe they're told, maybe they just have really good guesses. I have a theory which I will not say yet.

[Gorrad]

Which I said twenty-seven posts ago.

[Gorrad]

I'm half-engineer. It's very hard for me to let a point die.

[Gorrad]

You do realize that every player in this game that has spoken today has talked about the NK, right? I find it hard to fathom that there are that many scum in one game. Your trend, it fails.

But he started off the conversation. Without him, I daresay it would scarcely have been mentioned.

[Gorrad]

Nor did Random Mafia. Still caught us scum D1.

[Gorrad]

k so reading the game may take a while though, anyone has a summary about what happened this would help my reread a bit otherwise count on about a week or so.

`

Tell us why you're now in the game or die. I am dead serious about this.

[Gorrad]

@Gorrad-
I think a lot of what you have posted so far makes very little sense and uses a lot of craplogic and jumping to unfounded conclusions. Reading your arguments, I can easily see myself falling into a big argument with you and being extremely frustrated. I don't know if this is just your playstyle. Do you have any links to previous (preferably short) games that show a similar penchant for jumping to conclusions with odd reasoning?

Can you quote an example or two of this in this game so I can know what to look for? All of my conclusions have made sense to me so far, so I can't be sure to what you are referring.

[Gorrad]

1. I put faith in it, and HAVE given reasons why it benefits scum and not town. As I said, scum use it as a tool to out potential doctors/RBers.

2. I have no idea what any of the items on either side do, but I imagine if I had one set it wouldn't be all that difficult to pair them with the other. If y'all disagree, I suppose y'all just have a better vantage point than I.

3. I'm failing statistics.

4. Engineers WILL pursue irrelevant minutiae. I wasn't using that as any kind of bad-logic excuse, I was using it to explain why I was pursuing a needless course of conversation.

5. It is NOT unjustified, and if you'll let him respond I'll tell you why.

[Gorrad]

Caf, I always lurk D1. If you feel the urge to see some games, I can link them, including a few where I was lynched for doing so.

Kast, you're basically asking me to point out games where I did something that I don't see myself doing. It's like asking a professor if he has a history of being an idiot, or an athlete if he's ever sucked before.

[Gorrad]

Oh, I'm sure I've had them before, but I'm not one to remember the specifics of negative events. It would make me all downbeat. Try PYP3. I recall playing exceptionally poorly that game, and I'm sure someone insulted me there too.

[Gorrad]

@Gorrad, why havent you answered Orto accusations?

Which ones, now?

[Gorrad]

Zwets always plays like this.

[Gorrad]

Can we get a few more pressure votes on Sirdan please? That's the whole reason my vote's on him, and I promise it'll make perfect sense why I'm pressuring him once he comes clean.

[Gorrad]

What, away from Zwet? You jest, I hope.

[Gorrad]

I'm Kamek. One of my abilities is to summon vanilla townies from the waiting list, though it costs many coins to do so. That's how I know their flavor. If Sirdan had said he was summoned or brought here by a player then I'd know he was anti-town, as I'm almost positive I'm the only townie with this power.

As it is, what I thought was that maybe either players just wandered in like in the games from offscreen as it were. Sirdan seems to have made up his flavor to fit 'jumping in', when I'm rather positive it's not literal jumping. Therefore, I believe his claim is falsified, and he was brought here by an external, anti-town force.

Confirm Vote: Sirdanilot

[Gorrad]

No, I'm saying I did NOT use the power. Therefore someone else did. I'm the one who can do it for the town, so therefore he was brought here by scum.

[Gorrad]

Moratorium, trust me. I know PRECISELY what I'm doing.

[Gorrad]

I suppose they are at that.

[Gorrad]

Ok, how's this:

How could anyone jump and fall down into a castle? As it's pitch dark, there's obviously no opening to the sky.

[Gorrad]

I believe I'm the only townie with the role because it's called create koopa and unless there's another Magikoopa out there, no one else has the power of creation for them.\

Now that I think a bit more on it, there may be another way...

Let's see if another person jumps in between tonight and tomorrow. It costs so many coins, I think one person being able to do it twice is nigh-unthinkable, and if someone else has the power they wouldn't use it if this plan's in place because it would confirm Sirdan.

The more I think on this, the more I like it.

Unvote, Vote: Zwet

. There's never a bad time for a Zwet lynch.

[Gorrad]

A retractable dome.

Now please explain how my stupid answer makes any less sense than wandering in for this game based on a video game

where plumbers fight turtles with fireballs

.

I have no answer for this.

[Gorrad]

Yes, but not falling into. I suppose the game could be played in the basement or something...

But yeah, I couldn't really not claim after all the pressure.

[Gorrad]

*sigh*

Unvote

[Gorrad]

Wait...I'm stupid. I was thinking 'Hmm, fire could be fireflower! He must be protown!' Now I'm thinking "But wait, Mario would know his own kill MO." There may also be other fire-based killings.

Vote: Zwet

.

[Gorrad]

This is the post where I state suspicion of WLC which he later calls out as OMGUS even though he's voting a claimed power role D2 when there's another bandwagon rolling.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad's last post certainly is funny. At least he's doing the thinking for me. you're voicing you're suspicion of me, but why exactly? It certainly isn't because I'm voting you, right?

Yes I'm suspicious of you for voting me, but it's not "You're voting me OMG I hate you you're scum" it's because of the circumstances. I can't possibly prove that I'd suspect you even if it wasn't me for whom you were voting, but that is the case.

[Gorrad]

I suspect WLC for voting a claimed power role on D2 with another, better wagon underway. That person happens to be me. I can't prove that I suspect him for the abovestated reason rather than OMGUS.

[Gorrad]

You're you? AKA scummy as sin. That AND, keep in mind, our LAST scum also claimed a kind of immunity. One of the Mushroom Kingdom items is a Fireflower. If it kills, you'd know that it kills with fire if you were scum, so you could know how to make the fakeclaim.

There's also a small role-based tidbit I'll share tomorrow.

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-zwetschenwasser (5): AceMarksman, caf19, Moratorium, populartajo, Gorrad
-populartajo (2): zwetschenwasser, ortolan
-Moratorium (1): Empking
-Looker (1): Kast
-Gorrad (1): WeyounsLastClone

Not voting (6): killa seven, ZEEnon, Riceballtail, Looker, sirdanilot, semioldguy

With 16 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Gorrad]

You're you? AKA scummy as sin. That AND, keep in mind, our LAST scum also claimed a kind of immunity. One of the Mushroom Kingdom items is a Fireflower. If it kills, you'd know that it kills with fire if you were scum, so you could know how to make the fakeclaim.

There's also a small role-based tidbit I'll share tomorrow.

Nice scumclaim.

/facepalm

[Gorrad]

I will say PRECISELY why I don't believe he's town tomorrow. If that means we lynch him then and off, say, Looker or Ortolan today, so be it. Saying why I don't believe him now costs the town much more than one possibly exposed scum.

[Gorrad]

Theory time:

I think qwints died because a nightkill attempt was redirected. It's something that caf19 mentioned a while back.

More specifically, I think it's possible that qwints himself put the nightkill order in, and it was reflected back at him by whoever he chose to kill. That would seem to make more sense than a redirection in that qwints wasn't exactly a huge case of suspicion during day 1, so if he wasn't the one that put the kill order in, it's probable that he would have had to have been chosen by the "redirector" as it were, and there wasn't much incentive to pick him that I can see.

1) How is this relevant to what we're talking about?

2) How does it help town?

3) Do you realize that if this IS the case, you've just stopped scum from ever targetting that person again?

[Gorrad]

EBWOP: Also, I'm going to restate (or clarify, if I haven't said it yet) that while I cannot buy or use items, I can both give and recieve them.

[Gorrad]

Dude, I got no clue. I'm guessing it's a mechanics thing: If I couldn't, then someone could send me something and confirm part of my role by either getting a message saying I'm unable to get it or (if it was just auto-deleted) if there's an ability that lets you see someone's items it could be confirmed that way.

[Gorrad]

Simulposted. Yeah, maybe letters too. I'm guessing that's a night-talk thing.

Actually, since they're all-allignment, can someone tell me exactly what the letter and 10-coin block do/how much they cost? Just so I stay somewhat in the loop.

[Gorrad]

Tajo's so town it's not even funny. His list (with possible exception of WLC and Moratorium moved to the lower list) is pretty bloody close to mine.

Moratorium, what part of multiple scumgroups don't you get? You can easily be scum without being Zwet's partner.

[Gorrad]

It doesn't matter. I'm not going to push for your lynch today. In fact, I'd be rather upset if you WERE lynched. When I vote you, Ortolan, I give you my word that it will come with reasons sufficient for even you.

[Gorrad]

1) Actually, I disagree. I've found that active townies are significantly more likely to be mistaken for scum, as they are prominant in people's minds. This is why common theory says that scum lurk: to go below the radar. Active townies are very on the radar, and therefore more likely to be thought scum.

2) I would be upset to see him lynched because, while I do think him scum, he actually posts, contributes significantly, analyses, etc. If he's town, his lynch would be a significantly bigger loss than that of Zwet.

[Gorrad]

due to the request my win con is that I win when there is only mushroom kingdom left.
If you have any other pertinent questions ask and I will answer to the best of my abilities.

Now i've got quite a bit of reading to do!

Protown!

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-zwetschenwasser (5): AceMarksman, caf19, Moratorium, Gorrad, Empking
-populartajo (3): zwetschenwasser, ortolan, Riceballtail
-ThAdmiral (2): Kast, populartajo
-Gorrad (1): WeyounsLastClone
-caf19 (1): sirdanilot

Not voting (4): killa seven, ZEEnon, ThAdmiral, semioldguy, millar13

With 16 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Gorrad]

whoops - i mean I win when there is NO mushroom kingdom left.

Unvote, Vote: ThAdmiral

[Gorrad]

2) I would be upset to see him lynched because, while I do think him scum, he actually posts, contributes significantly, analyses, etc. If he's town, his lynch would be a significantly bigger loss than that of Zwet.

1. Please post who you are talking to, or quote the post you are referring or link to it. A simple '@ person' takes only several milliseconds to type and is full of goody conveniency.
Anyway, even though I don't know what you're talking about here, activity shouldn't be a good reason not to lynch someone if you think he's scummy. That is just anti town.

That was at Ortolan. And if I personally have a strong preference to lynching scummy non-contributors it scummy contributors, I fail to see why you should care.

[Gorrad]

due to the request my win con is that I win when there is only mushroom kingdom left.
If you have any other pertinent questions ask and I will answer to the best of my abilities.

Now i've got quite a bit of reading to do!

Protown!

Gorrad, what does this mean?

I assumed he, like me, thought he was scum at first. My reasoning was that scum would claim BC off the bat, sure that BC was town, but confused BC would fakeclaim MK. Then he paraphrased his 'actual' win condition, one that is NOT, in fact, the town win condition, and I voted him. At this point I'd peg him as Warioware or DK.

[Gorrad]

...Wait, did you just say what I think you said? You're next, Empking.

[Gorrad]

Please define what you mean by reverse space monkey.

[Gorrad]

Ah. How is that reverse from regular Space Monkey?

[Gorrad]

Huh...I see what you mean. Kinda doubt it, though. Then both groups would have to be uninformed. Warioware and DK? Maybe.

[Gorrad]

Somehow, I doubt anyone KNOWS that their vote is negative. If they did, they wouldn't be voting for him.

[Gorrad]

Ortolan is town. I can 100% confirm this. So he believes me and knows I'm not just scum fronting, he has four coins, no items, and his rolename starts with an R. I'm also responsible for the death of WLC, sent in another kill on Millar, and inspected Tajo last night (also four coins, no items), in addition to protecting myself from all NKs.

To explain my earlier stance on Zwet, /I/ kill with fire. It's one of my many abilities which I can choose from, and I think it's scummy that he has protection from a town kill.

To put it simply: I'm Kamek, the most powerful role in the game, and I just set us up the bomb.

[Gorrad]

Because he was scummy as sin.

And deal with it! I can't use items, that's the big trade-off.

[Gorrad]

Oh! I forgot a

Vote: Millar

. The whole DK thing...

And yeah, I LIKE Lawrencelot games : D.

[Gorrad]

@Gorrad-
Gorrad's claimed role sounds extremely powerful, and it is hard to believe that *just* losing your ability to buy/use items is sufficient to balance that out (I guess it is possible that items are just that powerful...but I doubt that). IGMEOY.

Being able to investigate people to find how many coins/items they have sounds ideal for a coin stealing/item stealing team.

It also shows rolename and allignment. And, though I will likely die tonight, I have no regrets. I knocked WLC out, making y'all not waste a mislynch on him later, and have confirmed Ortolan (which, by the way, is why I said I would be upset if he was lynched yesterday- because I was planning on investigating him).

[Gorrad]

I think gorrad may be independent third party.

So tell me, which of the third parties kills with fire?

[Gorrad]

Which is which of DK crew, MK, or Warioware?

[Gorrad]

@gorrad: IIRC, wario can use fire. Or, you could be making your kill flavor up.

Wario, in no games I recall, uses fire. He burps, has flatulence, bites, bodyslams, etc. And if I didn't kill with fire, why in the nine rings would I have been trying to stop a zwet lynch? And don't you DARE say it's me WIFOMing. I'd rather be lynched as scum than do a gambit that allows zwet to not be killed.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Riceballtail

Hey Riceball, what do you think about the game? You've lurked so hard, I can barely tell.

[Gorrad]

V/LA until Sunday.

[Gorrad]

Oh! One last thing: I protected Ortolan last night.

[Gorrad]

I have no idea why my kill didn't go through. I'm going to fullclaim my role, as I'm now out of coins. I started with six coins, every one of my abilities is two-shot.

Four coin, fire based nightkill
Two coin basic doc against one NK
Three coin self-protect against multiple NKs
Three coin cost eight-coin creator
Ten coin cost townie creator (brings one from the jump-in list. Will NOT list flavor, as it would give scum a safeclaim flavor)
Two coin cost rolename/alignment/items/coins finder
Three coin cost busdriver

My vote counts double, and has since D1. You'll find the VCs support that.

I used ability four twice N1, giving me the 16 coins used N2 and N3.

My best guess as to why I haven't been killed is that scum were relying on Kast's reaction: that my role is SO unbelievable that I could be lynched for it. As to why I claimed early, I a) wanted to see if I could counter Sirdan and b) I knew already that I was going to self-protect and kill/investigate when I claimed my townie-generating powers, so I knew I would last the night. For the following nights, I was actually relying on what I said above: that my role would be crazy enough that scum would try and lynch me instead.

I can, to my knowledge, recieve letters. Whether I can read them, I do not know.

[Gorrad]

No flavor for using coins to cast spells was given.

I didn't sit on the coins, and I don't buy them. I create the coins, and I get them at the start of the next day. I used them as soon as I could, and as I used all six off the bat I couldn't do anything else N1.

I didn't know what the letter did, so I didn't ask about it.

The flavor behind the double vote is that without Bowser, I'm the closest thing we have to a leader. Also, rereading, it's worth noting that it says my vote number is inchangable.

[Gorrad]

Every ability is night-use only.

If I was given coins right now, I could demonstrate tonight.

I didn't create a gauranteed townie because by doing the double kill/double investigate, I would effectively get rid of four possible lynches as opposed to one.

Wow, you're right. I was told that I had two coins left at the start of D3, I didn't think to check the math behind that. Maybe I got an extra coin somehow.

[Gorrad]

I believe Gorrad's claim right now.

The flavor behind the double vote is that without Bowser, I'm the closest thing we have to a leader. Also, rereading, it's worth noting that it says my vote number is inchangable.

Your vote number cannot be changed?

Correct. It stays at two.

[Gorrad]

-millar13 (7): ortolan, Moratorium, Empking, AceMarksman, sirdanilot, Gorrad

Caf meant to hammer, so I'd include Caf too.

Townie lynch. Reason states that at least one of the above is scum. It ain't me, Ortolan, or Moratorium. Now, what I'd like to bring up is this:

(VC when visible was reached))-ThAdmiral (9): Kast, populartajo, AceMarksman, Riceballtail, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad, Empking, caf19, sirdanilot

Notice anything about the last three? Looks to me like at least one of them was scum hopping on when the wagon was inevitable. For the SK lynch, Empking was the hammer, and he's made nothing but short, worthless posts all game.

Unvote, Vote: Empking

Mod edit
Visible Votecount

-Empking (1): Gorrad
-Gorrad (1): Kast
-Kast (1): Empking
-AceMarksman (1): Riceballtail

Not voting (6): killa seven, ZEEnon, caf19, ortolan, AceMarksman, sirdanilot

With 10 alive it takes 6 real votes to lynch.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad: Your main point against me is that I hammered scum?

You hopped on late to two scum lynch wagons, were present on the town lynch wagon, and have done next to nothing by way of posts all game.

[Gorrad]

I mean try writing a single paragraph.

[Gorrad]

Kast, with my role (though now nigh-useless due to no coins), I'll almost certainly die tonight, which will be a burden off your back.

One thing for later days: Just because Ace is WAY not MK does not make him cleared of other allignments. I do side with Kast in that it wasn't a bus.

For all we know, Millar could have been protected last night, or me blocked. It's worth noting that my kill of Millar was first of the actions I sent in. It's possible someone RB'd me, thinking they'd stop the vanilla creation, and instead just blocked my first action.

Would two kindly souls care to lynch Empking with us?

[Gorrad]

ZEEnon, read my posts. I'm out of coins, I can't do jack any more, let alone create a townie.

[Gorrad]

I send in night choices. When day starts, I recieve my coin total, what my vote's worth (even though it's static), and all results I may have gotten from night actions.

As I have not, to my knowledge, been traded any coins or items, I would not know. However, if that one mysterious one I recieved was traded to me at night, I was never informed that it was, and it just showed up in my total.

[Gorrad]

Crappy posts, being on all three bandwagons (late on the bandwagons of the scum).

[Gorrad]

It's L-2, you have time.

[Gorrad]

Hey empking, did you know that 1/5 of your posts contain a vote and/or unvote?

Also, of your 61 posts only two contain more than two sentences, whereas Kast has 42 of 47 with more than two sentences, most of which are huge blocks of text. You can NOT say you're contributing more.

[Gorrad]

Wow! That post suddenly and drastically makes me find Empking significantly less suspicious!

[Gorrad]

killa seven, Riceballtail and zEEnon, all so anti-town - at least one scum here

caf19, AceMarksman and sirdanilot all need a re-read, in that order.

How am i antitown?

cause you post short posts

Yes.

[Gorrad]

Sir: All my posts today have been scumhunting.

I'm putting this in my sig.

[Gorrad]

Emp, please post more than one-word responses... if you only say "Liar", I can't exactly work out what you are referring to or why you believe he's lying. It doesn't help your case.

Still more of the same from killa and Zee, we're coming to a bit of an impasse here...

You think I only post onre word responses?

You did here:

@Empking-
-Post an example of me calling you scummy for posting a new point.

-Please try to be consistent. I pointed out that your post failed to address the post it was responding to. You answered that you were making a new point. If you are making a new point instead of addressing the old point, then you are not addressing that old point.

-I have pointed out the examples but here again for your convenience:

I posted a series of thoughts about you. Instead of addressing them, you called me a liar without any elaboration. On further clarification, it turns out you don't understand the meaning of the word implicit and so thought that I was lying. In either event, you attempted to avoid answering my points by calling me a liar (the straw man).

Liar

and that's the bit I was referring to in my post.

You think people should never ever respond to a point with one word?

Yup.

[Gorrad]

I'm not liking how empking is responding, but that's just my say in this right now.

I'll turn this around: Does ANYONE here like how Empking is responding?

[Gorrad]

If it helps any, the townies I summon (which I assume to be vanilla) are NOT Goombas.

[Gorrad]

I would be DELIGHTED to if I wasn't already preoccupied with killing Empking.

[Gorrad]

The point of wagoning to a claim is to see if we like the claim or not. I don't like Emp's claim.

[Gorrad]

Unneeded. Tomorrow, I'd be for it.

[Gorrad]

Three days to deadline and Emp at L-1. Can we get a lynch here please?

[Gorrad]

What would you rather I use my vote for?
On a person that I don't know is town? Sounds like a good idea to me. Hint: Not.

I support this statement, though not necessarily the person saying it.

[Gorrad]

Yup! I was the Narrator. I got to write all the flavor, and when I died no roles were revealed. I got lynched D1. Don't outguess the mod.

[Gorrad]

TBH, I was more of a burden on the town. It was a fun role for the two pieces I did write, though! : D

[Gorrad]

I got coins from Ortolan yesterday, and used those to use my second self-protect.

[Gorrad]

Mod: Is it possible in this game for a player to have a negative vote?

Mod: yes, that was also in the rules

[Gorrad]

Mod: Is it possible in this game for a player to have a negative vote?

Mod: yes, that was also in the rules

Bah! Reading's for squares.

And Ortolan should claim last, as I can confirm his role.

[Gorrad]

Yeah how about no. Like it or not, man, it's still a democracy, not a dictatorship.

[Gorrad]

I wasn't being entirely serious there However I still think there is merit in going with the claims one by one. zEEnon claim and nominate the next person pleasey

Good to hear, and seconded.

[Gorrad]

K7, this is mafia. I'm an Eagle Scout who prides himself in being trustworthy, and I'm called a liar at least once in most games I'm in, and I don't really care. Lying is part of the game.

[Gorrad]

I believe Caf, as no sane scum would ever kill Zwet.

[Gorrad]

Why do you feel the urge to claim for someone? AND there's no 'spike' badguy in Mario.

Vote: Riceballtail

[Gorrad]

There are nine alive. I think we're looking at, at the absolute most, two of each scumgroup, with a minimum of one of each group. 3 to 6 scum.

Thoughts on claims:
Ace: Almost certainly fakeclaiming, as it's already been shown by zwet and Kast that the scum MO is fire, not jumping.

Caf: Assured town. Scum killing Zwet is unthinkable.

Kast: Likely town, thanks to his 'aha!' moment at the day start.

K7: Dry Bones died last game. Scum for sure.

Ort: Confirmed town.

RBT: Bad fakeclaim. 90% certain 3rd party.

ZEE: Role seems to be pretty freakin' confirmed.

Scumlist is K7, RBT, Ace. If those are dead, then Kast.

Unvote, Vote: K7

[Gorrad]

Ah, I forgot Sirdan hasn't claimed. Above list may be amended with his claim.

[Gorrad]

I don't think I hammered. Kast and I both have double votes, but that should leave room for one more person.

[Gorrad]

Sorry, dude. Didn't look back enough to see if I was hammering, I guess.

For scum out there: I am now 100% out of self-protects. By killing me, you confirm Ortolan completely. Do your worst.

[Gorrad]

Bah! Go Bowser!