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What the adorable robot said.Show"either he's scum and yay 1 less scum, or he's town and yay 1 less zwetschenwasser. " ~Moratorium
Words to live by.
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What? I have been?Tenchi wrote:Archon (so far) has also acted similarly like sekinj.
Active pre-game and conservative on his comments and posts right now.
Maybe because we're in another game together...
*Makes strange face, laughs maniacly*Wall-E wrote:i feel stupider now
Agreed
I'm still voting for him? It was a random vote. Wow.Tenchi wrote:You know the irony here is? I used the same (or a similar) technique that you were trying to use on me. I didn't mind you fishing for reactions by voting for me.
I place my vote on you and you immediately call me out for OMGUS.
(Kinda unrelated) question: Do you think Wall-E's, Archon's or Ace's reasons for voting for you are sound?
Unvote
Hey Jazz!Jazzmyn wrote:Hello, all
I am replacing AndyTony. I've got the Easter Sunday family thing going on this afternoon, but I will catch up on the game and jump in tonight.
Regards,
Jazz
A note to all;
A lot of stuff will be happening in the near future, so I may not be that active.Now modding Vengeful Mafia
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Archon, your last five points have been totally empty:
1. Self-meta or some empty comment on sekinj, which doesn't really justify you being actively lurking on this thread.
2. More fluff
3. An unvote, which relieves pressure from zwet.
4. Fluff for Jazz
5. And more excuse to lurk.
Just wow.Yes. That same Tenchi.
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kk, finally got around to a read.
Based on their pre-game banter alone?PIP (46) wrote:Zwet-Ace connection noted, but not neccesarily scummy.
Good advice.PIP (46) wrote:Lovers setups are very interesting, in that they take away the buddying-up and connections scumtells by a large amount. Scum will definately behave differently this game, distancing possible but bussing utterly surreal. Keeping an eye on wagons and the reasoning for votes should be a main priority throughout.
Don't like 48 by PIP and agree with Wall-E's response to it, possible PIP-as-scum being nervous about being on a townie bandwagon, even though he was nowhere near lynch.
The whole point of the random voting stage is to get bandwagons going, so one can judge people's reactions to them. I have not yet seen a claim/lynch basedPIP (51) wrote:Correct, but I detest random bandwagons and the RVS in general. I feel what I stated in my above post, that the bandwagon, that seems to be based on nothing in particular, will do little good besides Tenchi claiming a Lover (He could fakeclaim, of course, but we would have little evidence of such to begin with), which I don't believe would be particularly beneficial to the town. I fail to see any benefit that a random wagon gives us in this game, simply because we'll have no way of knowing if Polygamists are fakeclaiming lovers, or if we have legitimate lover claims. It may also put pressure on Techi, but at the moment he has absolutely nothing to defend against, so the pressure will be weak at best. I'd prefer to wait until I see something legitimately scummy to vote, and potentially for a bandwagon to form.solelyon a random voting wagon. However your reaction itself was (mildly) scummy, which now gives us something to work with.
The third random vote in a 7-to-lynch scenario means absolutely nothing.PIP (53) wrote:It was rather obviously part of a joke. I was random-voting, unaware that you had already voted him, and that Wall-E would follow my vote.
Why did you interpret this comment as serious and scummy?Archon (59) wrote:Wait... are you seriously asking that?
unvote, Vote zwet
She's right, you do come across as nervous. It's not so much the "tone" of your post but simply the content (freaking out over a meaningless 3 random votes in a 12-player game).PIP (62) wrote:
Really? I don't see where that interpretation comes from, and I'm pretty good at reading the tone of my posts. I'm a tad confused, but not nervous.sekinj wrote:pie seems a little nervous...
Many people make half-serious comments like this, it's not only zwet.Archon (64) wrote:
No, but it was like... what?PieIsPopcorn wrote:
Explain to me where I lied zwet, and we can discuss it. This accomplishes nothing.zwetschenwasser wrote:Why is Pie still alive?
Have you played with zwet before Archon?Archon wrote:
Wait... are you seriously asking that?zwetschenwasser wrote:Why is Pie still alive?
unvote, Vote zwet
Again, the result of Tenchi's bandwagon has ironically not been a read/claim on him so much as a read on you.PIP (65) wrote:I should have said it more clearly. They won't fakeclaim lovers persay, they'll claim lover pairs. So yeah, they'll claim lovers. However we won't be able to tell, through a random bandwagon, whether or not such a lover claim is legitimate, and it would therefore not be particularly useful to the town.
Another agreement with the perception of PIP.mikek (66) wrote:Pie seems very twitchy. There's no need to flip out when someone gets to three random votes. It's seven to lynch. This was pretty funny:
Does this have serious intent behind it?Tenchi (70 wrote:I'm bored.
Vote: Pie
I believe it's recommended you do lover-claim at some point- not sure whether (later) in day 1 is better or to wait until day 2 though.AM (71) wrote:
The hell we are. What would be the advantage for a mass claim, eh? Everyone has a viable claim partner (including the polygamists), so it would only tell the polygamists who their best kill would be.mikek wrote:
By the way, I'm pretty sure that we're going to massloverclaim before this day is up.
Vote: mikek
How confident are you in semi-clearing PIP like this?Wall-E (73) wrote:Personally I don't see Pie as jumpy, just upset at the speed with which the bandwagon formed on Tenchi. As for me, I tend to err on the side of risky plays, so I like a good early-game wagon, but certainly I know that not everyone is like me and Pie's caution is therefore justified (even if faked to cover jumpiness).
I'd also like to point out that it's possible Pie was bussing his partner to keep the scum off his trail? He seems to be the only one who was concerned with Tenchi's life.
Tenchi's vote on him would suggest otherwise, though, and if they are not partners I don't think Pie is scum. Tenchi wouldn't have pushed the distancing further with his vote.
Unvote: Vote: Tenchi
Hi Tenchi!
What does "respect" mean? If you think he's a good player that's all well and good but do you think his vote on you isTenchi (86) wrote:I respect Wall-E's interpretation of my actions (eventhough I think it is wrong).reasonableorscum-motivated?
This is a fair point.PIP (89) wrote:This is interesting, in that not only does he seem to be defending zwet against a non-existant issue (His one-liners, that is his playstyle BTW), but he also states that "can't afford a policy lynch", when not only did zwet only have one vote, but it was a result of something irrelevant to policy.
Now, mikek could have been referring to mykonian's threat to vote zwet as a result of his one-liners. However, I fail to see how that single vote would lead to a policy lynch.
Please link to previous game where this has taken place.PIP (89) wrote:I despise random bandwagons. Not only are they (obviously) based on no reasoning, but if they go on for too long, they can spiral out of control and result in a lynch for the town. Does it always happen? No. But I've seen in happen, and it really puts the town at a disadvantage. In addition, since they're not based on actual reasons, the reactions that you obtain from them are a lot less valuable than the reactions from bandwagons with legitimate basis.
I agree that it could potentially help the polygamists, but your second point, rather than being another negative is more the pro-town counterpoint. e.g. it's quite beneficial to consider whether to lynch one player if their lover isn't scummy, because we know in this setup either they're both scum or neither are. If one is acting scummily in a fashion they usually do, and the other is pro-town, then we are more likely to be able to write off the former's play as simply being consistent with their meta. I don't see how this discussion could "distract" us at all.PIP (89) wrote:It gives the polygamists information on whether they will be able to push certain lynches. (IE- "Ok, this pair has a scummy player, but the other player has been acting pro-town, so it might not be best to press a case on them. However, this other pair has been scummy, and the other player is not considered particularly pro-town. Let's go for them!) It also leads to some questions (Should we lynch a lover that has acted pretty pro-town just because we find the other lover scummy? Should it be ok if two players seem to be tunnelling on the same target just because they're lovers?) That would protentially distract from actual scumhunting, which only benefits those sinful, dirty, l33t-speak using, Uwe-Boll loving polygamists.
I believe that it gives a good deal of information to the scum, and not too much to the town, and could actually turn out to be a distracting factor.
This is a useless filler post.AM (91) wrote:Connection between Wall-e and pie, while not scummy, has been noted.
94 by mikek is a very good assessment of the pros and cons of lover claiming.
You provide no argument for this. Do you think it's useless even on the verge of a lynch on day 2?AM (95) wrote:Massclaim is not the way to go, your cons heavily outweigh the pros.
Stop voting without any justification, please, it's not making you look more town. I also view calls for more activity as a slight scumtell (easy way for scum to feign "helping" the town).Tenchi (98) wrote:ATTENTION TOWN: I have a problem with what's happening.
I don't know if it's just me or this game is moving too slow/cautious, especially discussion wise. The biggest power of town lies in catching scum in their foursome association, and we can't do it with this kind of activity.
What happened to the excitement last during the confirmation stage. I feel like almost everyone went into hiding!
Vote: Zwet
Please, that confirm vote stuff is confusing.AM (104) wrote:
What is your problem? This vote is OMGUSzwetschenwasser wrote:OMGUS ALERT!!!Unvote; Vote: Tenchi
confirm vote: zwet
Mod: tenchi just voted zwet as well, you missed it in the vote count
@ Wall-E's 109, do you think zwet is scum or not? If not why are you voting him? I hate policy lynches, especially of players like zwet.
Agreed.mikek (122) wrote:I do hope you're just trying to coax zwet into being helpful, because such a lynch in this game would be disastrous. We only have two chances to catch scum, remember. Whatever your feeling on zwet's playstyle, lynching him for it just ain't an option.
I believe zwet OMGUS'ed him, and not the other way round? Either way I don't believe zwet has expressed any reasons for voting Tenchi either. It goes both ways, you know.mikek (124) wrote:For what it's worth, I agree that Tenchi wasn't calling Pie suspicious, but I do think his vote against Zwet seemed fairly OMGUS. Voting for someone without stating your reasons is generally unhelpful.
I would very much like an answer to this as well.Tenchi (128) wrote:(Kinda unrelated) question: Do you think Wall-E's, Archon's or Ace's reasons for voting for you are sound?
Please answer, zwet.AM (148) wrote:Oh, wait, is no your answer to 128? If so, then why?
I thought it very clearly meant "hell no". My problem with it was that he didn't actually give anyWall-E (149) wrote:everyone stop feeding the troll so much
zwet stop being intentionally cryptic for attention
HAEL NAU or whatever you said isnotobviously the words, "Hell no." You really expect anyone to understand that? Being cryptic is anti-town in this case.reasonswhy. And as you called him a "troll" rather than scum (which implies you don't actually think he is), I would still like to see a good case against him from you/anyone else.
Tenchi's 152 rings true from what I recall of Archon, I didn't see Archon really do much (obviously this was up to now hypocritical but I'm making up for it now with my first proper post).-
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AceMarksman Mafia Scum
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Having a quote of your show up in an ortolan post feels akin to a freezing knife being stabbed repeatedly into your skull.why are you in all of my games!!!.
anywho, for actual content:
My argument was "your cons in your previous post outweigh the pros IMHO." And this standpoint was for today, and I never supported not claiming at all, just massclaiming. We've got to see our position tomorrow to determine if a massclaim is needed.ortolan wrote:You provide no argument for this. Do you think it's useless even on the verge of a lynch on day 2?Show"either he's scum and yay 1 less scum, or he's town and yay 1 less zwetschenwasser. " ~Moratorium
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My record: W/L/T/A
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Yer I do apologise for the wall of text(s) but it's usually when I haven't been keeping up with a game for an extended period of time (this was really my first post of content in the game at all).Currently modding Mole Mafia: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=20529
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The point was you made kind of a "massclaim sux" statement without extrapolating why. I want to gauge how strongly you feel about claiming; in what circumstances; and why. What about the pros and cons of massclaiming don't you like?AM (154) wrote:My argument was "your cons in your previous post outweigh the pros IMHO." And this standpoint was for today, and I never supported not claiming at all, just massclaiming. We've got to see our position tomorrow to determine if a massclaim is needed.Currently modding Mole Mafia: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=20529
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You are accusing me of activley lurking? I've been busy. Apparently I must tell you my schedule from Friday night.Tenchi wrote:Archon, your last five points have been totally empty:
1. Self-meta or some empty comment on sekinj, which doesn't really justify you being actively lurking on this thread.
2. More fluff
3. An unvote, which relieves pressure from zwet.
4. Fluff for Jazz
5. And more excuse to lurk.
Just wow.
Friday;
Play practice from 6-9 PM
Sleep till 10:00 AM next morning
Saturday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to dentist, 11:00
go to Play practice, 1:00
Come home and prep/serve dinner to friends, 5:00
Have a sleepover. Rest of night
Sunday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to other freind's house, 1:00
Attend another play. 5:45
Is this enough to tell you I'm not lurking?
FOS technifor lies.
I'M BUSY, TECHNI. Apparently you can't understand that.Now modding Vengeful Mafia
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I "accused" you of actively lurking onArchon wrote: You are accusing me of activley lurking?I've been busy. Apparently I must tell you my schedule from Friday night.
Friday;
Play practice from 6-9 PM
Sleep till 10:00 AM next morning
Saturday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to dentist, 11:00
go to Play practice, 1:00
Come home and prep/serve dinner to friends, 5:00
Have a sleepover. Rest of night
Sunday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to other freind's house, 1:00
Attend another play. 5:45
Is this enough to tell you I'm not lurking?
FOS technifor lies.
I'M BUSY, TECHNI. Apparently you can't understand that.Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:39 am, PST. Whatever side of the planet you are on, you should have posted that on Sunday or Monday.
This makes me wonder why you use your Friday activities to defend your Saturday/Sunday actions.
Also, instead of typing out your schedule, you could have used that time to read the game, which isn't that long actually.Yes. That same Tenchi.
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The intentions behind this has been discussed/requested on page 6.ortolan wrote:
Does this have serious intent behind it?Tenchi (70 wrote:I'm bored.
Vote: Pie
I think he's a good player and I thought his vote on me was reasonable.
What does "respect" mean? If you think he's a good player that's all well and good but do you think his vote on you isTenchi (86) wrote:I respect Wall-E's interpretation of my actions (eventhough I think it is wrong).reasonableorscum-motivated?
I have addressed the concerns on the vote on page 6. My call for activity is some wakeup call on what this game has degenerated to, and I believe that the only way we can make the most out of the mid/late-game claims is if we all be active.
Stop voting without any justification, please, it's not making you look more town. I also view calls for more activity as a slight scumtell (easy way for scum to feign "helping" the town).Tenchi (98) wrote:ATTENTION TOWN: I have a problem with what's happening.
I don't know if it's just me or this game is moving too slow/cautious, especially discussion wise. The biggest power of town lies in catching scum in their foursome association, and we can't do it with this kind of activity.
What happened to the excitement last during the confirmation stage. I feel like almost everyone went into hiding!
Vote: Zwet
Even if we claim later, but then we don't even have a clue on what the other players opinions on each other, then we have not much to go on.Yes. That same Tenchi.
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This is also to emphasize that, compared to regular games, that activity is much more critical to this game since we are basing our lynches (generally) on associations.Tenchi wrote: I have addressed the concerns on the vote on page 6. My call for activity is some wakeup call on what this game has degenerated to, and I believe that the only way we can make the most out of the mid/late-game claims is if we all be active.
Even if we claim later, but then we don't even have a clue on what the other players opinions on each other, then we have not much to go on.Yes. That same Tenchi.
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I'm asking for replacement! Sorry, I just have too much going on with looking for a new job, looking for a new apartment and moving. I think it's best to replace out of a game that has only just started.Show-sekinj
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EBWOP:Tenchi wrote:Archon wrote: You are accusing me of activley lurking?I've been busy. Apparently I must tell you my schedule from Friday night.
Friday;
Play practice from 6-9 PM
Sleep till 10:00 AM next morning
Saturday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to dentist, 11:00
go to Play practice, 1:00
Come home and prep/serve dinner to friends, 5:00
Have a sleepover. Rest of night
Sunday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to other freind's house, 1:00
Attend another play. 5:45
Is this enough to tell you I'm not lurking?
FOS technifor lies.
I'M BUSY, TECHNI. Apparently you can't understand that.I "accused" you of actively lurking onMon Apr 13, 2009 12:39 am, PST. Whatever side of the planet you are on, you should have posted that on Sunday or Monday.
This makes me wonder why you use your Friday activities to defend your Saturday/Sunday actions.
Also, instead of typing out your schedule, you could have used that time to read the game, which isn't that long actually.Yes. That same Tenchi.
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