@ millar13
millar13 wrote:Now you clearly are not just a plain vanilla townie...that is more than clear from post 121. Clearly you are sitting on some sort of power position (I doubt you pro-town, so the assumption almost concretes scum) otherwise you wouldn't be so frustrated and resorting to using offensive language. Why would someone with no real power feel the need to swear and your such horrible and disgusting I do not know.
millar13, your making accusations, yet your not actually following them up with your reasons for them.
Please do this so I can answer them.....
1. How do you percieve me more than being vanilla townie from post 121?
2. How am I clearly sitting on some sort of power position?
3. You say you doubt me as pro-town, then you say Im "Concrete Scum"... Only scum can be concrete about a players alignment, I'd like to know how you came to this conclusion?
4. There is,however, one part I can answer here, and its your accusation of me being offensive and frustrated.
Yes, I was frustrated because you refused to even say you'd post a case on me after I asked you. Twice.
If I was offensive, which I dont believe I was as I did not directly insult you, then I apologise.
Abusing someone or bringing their family members into a game is not something I ever do.
millar13 wrote:The likelihood is that you actually believed in our back-and-forth confrontations that with the introduction of other players I would come off looking worse, and they would put their votes on me rather than yourself.
What you have to understand, is that a large amount of my case is built upon the fact that people actually see you in the same way as I do...although their views are more valuable as they are very much out-side the box and therefore provide me with a more rational view of things.
Both our posts up to now are under the scrutiny of who's reading them, I can only post what I think.
If someone else thinks your scum, so be it. If someone else thinks Im scum, Ill answer their concerns/thoughts/accusations appropriatly.
Ive bolded a part of your quote above, because I dont understand what you trying to say.
Please re-phrase this or at least clarify it.
millar13 wrote:You start off with post (24) a
clear random vote
, one that would be expected and you are just like every other player who "chooses" to particpate in the RVS. It isn't compulsory and therefore, be not taking part really should not be seen as some sort of
issue
Acute obversation.
millar13 wrote:afatchic and Strangecoug have some sort of RVS conflict, with what is clearly a case of you vote for me, I vote you. However, this if often just playful in the RVS and doesn't actually amount to anything solid. You then for some unknown reason suggest that both of them are scum, and then unvote and
Vote afatchic
(by the time you have voted a second time, you have ended your personal random stage) and so this is just the beginning for you.
Incorrect, It was still in the RVS stage for me. This is my post...
Firestarter wrote:afatchick & Strangercoug are both obv-scum.
Time I got me a wagon together!!
UNVOTE; VOTE: afatchick
I think its very clear by reading this, my post was part of the "playfullness" as you put it.
millar13 wrote:Then me and Strangecoug have some sort of situation, where he suspects me as scum and at the time I didn't quite know what to think. Once again you you jumped on a altercation and made it your business to vote against for the
third time
with no real case.
Again, incorrect.
Below is the quote pyramid...
millar13 wrote:StrangerCoug wrote:millar13 wrote:Battousai wrote:Vote: Millar13
for taking an anti-town policy in order to help his scum play.
FOS:BATTUOSAI
for applying "tactics" in the random voting stage
And the thing wrong with that is?
I've only known scum players to try and make a game serious A.S.A.P
so doing so was a scum tell
Towny doesn't feel akward around the random stage
And below is my post...
Firestarter wrote:
So, by your own admission, your scum...
Thank you..
UNVOTE; VOTE: millar13
I made this post to apply some light pressure on you and see your response, after you stated SC was the first player to try to end the RVS.
My reading of who started getting serious first reads like this..
Battousai >> Post 23
millar13 >> Post 25
Strangercoug. >> Post 28
When you made this statement...
"I've only known scum players to try and make a game serious A.S.A.P"
, and if you believed it to be true, you should have went after Battousai, as it could be argued that it was he who posted the first real serious post of the game, and not Strangercoug. In fact, Strangercoug was spot on when he said that you were guilty of what you accussed SC of, and in my book, even more so since your post came before SC's.
millar13 wrote:Despite this you actually seemed to be able to talk some sense with Post 49:
Firestarter:
"Hehe, Millar13, well done.
You've cracked the game, bravo...
Moreover, you've gone on to establish that a bit of pressure is scummy.
WRONG.
Pressure reveals quite alot, to ascertain who IS scummy under pressure/who IS town under pressure.
To be frank, there was no pressure at all, and your worry at appearing scummy if you had have voted is.. scummy
In the random stage no wagon will ever gather serious steam unless a scumbag does something catastrophic on their part.
So I would ask you to relax, and not get too carried away with yourself right now.
At this time, only scum can be sure of who's who, and with the little information gathered thus far, tonwies have no clue.
But pressure leads to info, and info is good for townies.
Morning tea seems to be done alright, and for this time I shall..
UNVOTE"
Is this meant to be part of your case?
In a previous post to mine, Post 47, you state this...
millar13 wrote:I don't want to vote now...because the "random stage" has stopped, and we are now very much past morning tea and gone into the seriousness of Day 1. Votes should be value not thrown around with no real reason.
In my post, I clearly state that I thought the RVS stage was done, "
Morning tea seems to be done alright
"
Your post previous referred to such. I removed the vote on you because we were moving to the serious part of the game.
The only difference being, you did not participate in the RVS.
millar13 wrote:Then in Post 73 you vote for a
4th time
although this time it is very much for reason outside the came, or for reasons of "bollox-ology" what ever that words is actually meant to mean I do not know.
Only two posts later you have then unvoted me, and put me on MAJOR FOS. Making you undecisive but also seeming as the fact that pacman didn't actually seem to back you reason, as the reason why you felt you need to back off yourself.
Ok, Ive given the reason for this at least twice, once more shouldn't hurt...
my interaction with Sajin before voting/unvoting you are as follows.
Sajin wrote:I do agree on the amount of scumminess of millar13. A townie would not fear nearly as much about the RV stage as I have posted before. I would possibly be willing to push this to a soft claim, but before that I want posts by those who have not posted.
Slight FOS:
Rage
Pacman
Issac
Dubya
Now granted its Easter, thus the slight fos. I understand if you have not posted much as of yet. But come tuesday, I would like opinions from these people before this goes ANY farther.
agreed firestarter?
Firestarter wrote:I would prefer full participation from all, but since its a holiday period, grace is fairly granted.
At this point, I made an agreement NOT to let anything go further...
But with your posts, Posts 70 & 72, you were talking nonsensically. 2 broken fingers accounting for mistakes, and then this...
millar13 wrote:Basically if I make typing errors or, use the wrong word don't take it too mean something that it doesn't. Half full rather than half empty.
After the scumminess you portrayed, and the nonsense you posted afterwards, I placed my vote on you.
millar13 wrote:You state you were too quick to place the vote, when funnily enough this was the 2nd time you had already voted me. If it had been the first time it might have actually have made some sense, but second time is sort of suspicious.
I retracted the vote because I agreed with Sajin I would not go any further.
And... Why would an agreement at the first time of voting you, in the RVS, be any different to the 2nd time?
And why was it suspicious?
millar13 wrote:It wasn't until page 5 however, that any real strong feeling to actually vote for you came into frutition
Then at Post 103, you vote for the
fifth time
the 3rd time you have had a vote on me and seem to back it up with the fact that more people haved posted, even if it is only one post and therefore not really enough too:
I stated I would place my vote on you, what would you have thought if I didn't?
Like the agreement I had with Sajin, I also kept my word about placing the vote back on you. I posted this...
Firestarter wrote:I retracted after I granted grace for the other players to post, and I assure you millar, my vote WILL be going back on you unless someone else is scummier/you become more pro-town.
The fact of the matter, and the main reason you are being voted by me is because no-one else is scummier than you right now, and has not been since I first stated I would be voting you.
millar13 wrote:Allow this post to actually occur. All that really happend was Rage, Korlash and Sejin surfaced for the first time (some more than others) but you didn't really take in what they said as you had already decided you were going to place your vote back on me either way.
3 players account for 25% of the players in the game. Since 6 players were already posting, those 3 brought it up to 9 players or 75% of the players in this game. I took into account what they said, but you remain top of my scum list.
millar13 wrote:Isaac made some good points, not all great or perfect, but some good points none the less and you didn't even challenge what he said but gave a week response of:
Firestarter wrote:We just found millar13's scumbuddy...
That post is convincing to anyone, and is pretty feeble at attempting what ever it was that psot was meant to accomplish.
This has been addressed in my previous post.
What is "convincing" about it, and what am I attempting to do?
millar13 wrote:Then Battousai voted for you...and in many ways what was said in the start of Post 111 was exactly what you had done, as you have taken yourself from small tells and null tells to something much more open and readable. It was in many ways this post, that did enough to convince me that you were worth voting for. That is all I have against you at the moment.
Battousai's One-liner on me in 111 has been addressed in my Post 113.
Firestarter wrote:I am not saying I think your 100% scum, but you 60/40 at the moment in my mind.
Covering yourself much?
millar13 wrote:Why I didn't give you a case straight away...simple. Because I was in the middle of writing it but also because I wanted to see your initial reaction. You are clearly someone who believes they should be in control.
Sorry, Im not buying this.
These are your posts after I requested your case on me...
millar13 wrote:You want my case....haven't you read anything I have posted earlier.
Haven't you read Battousai's post or Isaac's post.
The case is a collective case, and one that has grown since the start of the game. Nothing has changed, nothing knew has come to light. And you don't have the power to demand anything from me. If you don't know why you are seen as scum now, then I doubt you ever will.
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millar13 wrote:I'm not refusing, I am just inidicating that you case is long-running. It hasn't stopped and it still continues. If you clearly believe that a strong case doesn't already exist against you then you are clearly deluded. Your own posts are very much a key part of this case. You in many ways have proven to be your own worst enemy.
I do not see anything in either post to suggest you were preparing a case, or otherwise.
Your case is full of accusations without any reasoning.
Alot of it stems from the RVS, and you give wrong information about when it ended and by whome, which messes up alot of what you say here.
There are alot of questions I'd like you to answer stemming from the above.
Alot of your posts are confusing.