Newbie 774 - Spegezzironi: Game Over! TOWN WINS!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Hey

Sensfan

! You were great in Catatonia!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Hey

Sensfan

! You were great in Catatonia!

Huh?[/quote]

I read throught the first pages of the Catatonia game and you were great there! You basically stated that the random stage votes are an essential way to find mafi.

Basically, your theory in a nutshell boils down to "if there is voting there is the means to fins the scum".

[Lamont_Cranston]

So Rusty was that a FoS for Sensfan?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Apparently my syntax is a bitt off for this site, my apologies.

Confirm vote: Sensfan

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote, vote ckool

The dynamics have changed

[Lamont_Cranston]

In this case, a vote is worth a thousand words.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I consider my vote pro-village.

Perpetuum, care to explain your vote for for tree?

[Lamont_Cranston]

A Mafi never really rand votes -- to announce as such is a very convenient cover. The BW is where it needs to be IMO.

[Lamont_Cranston]

It might be random.org or it might be random.org (edited by ckool). I don't just buy into the paste which can be faked so easily. I can run 100 of those in a row with your name at the top.

Besides, I really don't like random voting.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@ Lamont_Cranston:

Do you see any risks with having ckool at L-2 on page two in a newbie game?

Now I'm wondering what the relationship might be between Johoolno & Ckool...

FoS:Johoolno

[Lamont_Cranston]

I've obviously nailed your scum-partner, and now you're just trying to get rid of me. It's not going to work.

Confirm Vote: Johoohno.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Possible numbers were #1-9.
Each number had an equal chance of being picked. (random.org)
Ran the random function 48 independent times, with the following results.

Trial 1
Mean = 4.65
Mode = 4
Median = 4

I then ran the random function 24 independent times.

Trial 2
Mean = 5.13
Mode = 2
Median = 4

I then ran the random function 9 independent times.

Trial 3
Mean = 3.78
Mode = 4
Median = 4

I took the mean of the means, the median of the medians, and mode of the modes.

Mean Mean = 4.52
Median Median = 4
Mode Mode = 4

I then discarded all of that data and decided to

Vote: Johoohno

.

As far as I was concerned,

this

was the joke post.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh, btw it made me LOL

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote, vote ckool

The dynamics have changed

I assumed this was a joke/random vote, but you later say

Besides, I really don't like random voting

Was your vote joke/random or wasn't it? And if it wasn't, why did you vote for him?

My vote was not random.

I consider my vote pro-village.

Perpetuum, care to explain your vote for for tree?

This makes it look even more so that your vote had a purpose or reason. Also how could you interpret Perpetuum's vote anything other than a random one? He voted him for having the best username. Do you honestly think he had a reason other than a random vote?

I asked to find out what his explanation would be

Do you find ckool5000 scummy for using random.org as a basis for a vote? You also said scum don't need to use random voting and should use a bandwagon vote instead. However you yourself joined a bandwagon. By your own reasoning, wouldn't ckool5000 be town for using random voting and

you

be scum for joining a bandwagon?

I consider my vote pro-village

[Lamont_Cranston]

I believe Lailai does need a prod...

Thanks for bringing that up Johoolno.

Please be sure to read the mod announcements at the end of the Vote Count. Important information is contained there. Also, as the rules state, please PM me if you have a question or concern.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Aha, OK sorry for that then, and thanks

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw Rusty, you said you don't like FoS -- why is that?

[Lamont_Cranston]

@ Lamont_Cranston:

Do you see any risks with having ckool at L-2 on page two in a newbie game?

If you have a vote on someone else, a FoS is fine.
If the person you suspect is at L-1, a FoS is fine.
Otherwise, you should be voting them.

I thought it kind of strange he brought up the "risk" at L-2 and not L-1...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ooops and I just noticed this:

Mod Annoucement: lailai is V/LA from 4/18/09 through 4/19/09

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well after all it was random.org that actually picked him though right?

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is the same as I saw him in Catatonia anyway.

Why is Joholnoo questioning Sensfan here??

[Lamont_Cranston]

Sensfan, do you think Johool's attack has anything to do with the fact that your vote was on ckool at all?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Welcome back Sotty. I find it odd you ask me a bunch of questions and then just vote for me without even waiting for the answers. I assume that it is a temporary vote just to get my attention huh?

Unvote, vote ckool

The dynamics have changed

Like?

Like my vote is more useful somewhere else.

In this case, a vote is worth a thousand words.

What do you mean by this post?

He had posted NO content & made a huge deal out of using random.org to choose his post FOR him thus alleviating any responsibility for his vote (supposedly).

I consider my vote pro-village.

Perpetuum, care to explain your vote for for tree?

Why do you consider that? You haven't explain your vote at all and you didn't answer Johoohno's question either.You have stated again that your vote is “pro-village” care to actually explain

why

?

My job is to find scum.

Unvote, vote: Lamont_Cranston

[Lamont_Cranston]

Sotty I think we can work together as village here. My opinion is that your vote is better placed where you had it; i.e. on ckool.

Since I have answered your questions, please put your vote back there.

[Lamont_Cranston]

EBWOP --> Sorry I mean to say "Since I have answered your questions

can you

please pur your vote back there.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote

Vote: Lamont_Cranston

He had posted NO content

AND USED RANDOM.ORG TO "PICK HIS VOTE FOR HIM"

I think both points together are important.

[quote "Rustythepirate"]It's the random voting stage.

Yes and it is so important for gathering information for day2 after we have a lynch and kill on record. So far my read on you is village so I understand your motivation for voting for me.

However I just want to point out that I think the village will benefit from a vote on either ckool or johoolno at this time.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Based on the change of current events I am changing my vote to Johoolno to further investigate this voting dynamic.

Unvote. Vote Johoolno.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm sorry my posts aren't very precise, I am at work right now and making them in between calls.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well Rusty I've noticed that when ckool was at L-1 all of a sudden Johoolno comes out of the blue with all sorts of pressure. There has been a major shift from ckool as of late...

[Lamont_Cranston]

EBWOP Sorry L-2 NOT L-1 which is another strange thing because he got all jumpy about the "risk" when cool was only at L-2 which is perfectly acceptable...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok I am posting this because I would like to at least keep up with my Daily Recommended Allowance of one post and I will state this for the record:

The silence is deafening. The village may be ripping itself apart here. I would normally recommend lynching the lurkers in this situation but since this site is so proactive with their replacements I am not sure what to suggest...

[Lamont_Cranston]

CPE would you please care to explain that vote??

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote, vote CPE

I'm sorry but I don't think Johoolno is scum. I'm practically certain he's village in fact.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, my CPE vote is of course policy lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Before CPE arrived, I became convinced that the two BW choices were both Village. I refuse to participate in the village lynching itself.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well, since I'm new to this site I would like some reinforcement on how policy lynching is not allowed in a newbie game. Otherwise my vote stands with CPE.

The johoolno lynch was to easy. That give me a bad feeeling.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Right I meant the BW. I haven't seen any strong arguments requiring my defense.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The fact that you are at L-2 and two people that aren't voting for you have named you as their greatest suspects doesn't make you want to defend yourself? If you want more reasons, here you go.

Your vote is the only one I consider serious although I don't really see where you should be suspecting me as being Mafi.

You have followed players rather than posting your own unique viewpoints. Examples: voting ckool5000 immediately after SensFan, used SensFan's reasoning for voting for ckool5000 as your own, you strongly attack Johoohno while SensFan does, after players state that those you are voting for are not scummy you unvote/find another player to vote.

This is a total fabrication. I have backed up every vote I've made and it has had nothing to do with following anyone. I place my vote where I feel it will do the most good for the village.

You accuse ckool5000 of lying on page 1 for supposedly faking his random.org results. Scum have no necessity to do this and you had no evidence to back up this claim. Worth noting is that ckool5000 did the random.org thing in Newbie 768 and was a townie.

Yes and the dynamics of the game have changed since then. Remember, this is round 1.

Is there anything worth defending here?

I'm learning just as you are; I'm trying to gather as much information as I can before we head into D2.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The johoolno lynch was to easy. That give me a bad feeeling.

@ Lamon_Cranston:

Was it cpe's vote in post 97 alone that made the bandwagon too easy?

No it was the 24 hours of total silence immediately followed by his vote which was made with total disregard for the village in both your lynching and his own.

@ Lamon_Cranston:

What in Sotty7's vote makes you doubt the seriousness in it?

I just didn't see his arguments as very strong, just my opinion.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh CPE's vote on me is a simply retaliatory vote -- I voted him, he voted me in response, pretty simple.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Muzz I shouldn't have to explain to you why CPE got me vote, it should be obvious to anyone who is paying attention.

Excellent righteous indignation. We'll see how righteious you are when I flip village.

Try analyzing the game for yourself instead of asking me to do it for you.

[Lamont_Cranston]

From reading around a lot on the forum, I've observed that following SensFan is often a good idea. Also, there isn't much to go on at this point, and moving the game on would be good, that suggests voting for person with most votes just to get a lynching, any lynching, so that the game progresses, maybe not the best tactics, but if we have to lynch someone to progress th game, and with little solid to go on, well, lets lynch the person it looks like it may be quickest to lynch.

If the above gets me lynched, well that will progress the game too.

Has this post somehow escaped your expert analysis? All I've done from the start of this game is work very hard to get as much evidence as I possibly could to identify scum for tomorrow's analysis and if you or anyone else think that somehow I deserve the lynch instead of someone who posts like the above, then I seriously cannot help you but you really do need help.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh and by the way, I claim:

<--- Vanillager

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, nothing personal CPE after all this is just a game and nothing against you personally; I just believe that in game things should be taken very seriously.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well since you brought it up and unvoted me, I will say I haven't been following anyone even though I do look up to Sensfan. I was more than aware that it appeared I was following him when I made my vote change but my vote change was more important than over-cautiousness due to appearances.

[Lamont_Cranston]

UNVOTE

[Lamont_Cranston]

You forgot to unvote first

[Lamont_Cranston]

@sensfan: and so you support a lynch when I flip villager then?

I will also say that I have noticed that Sensfan has been rather abrasive with people that have inquired about his game behavior. If anyone else has noticed this and would like to vote him, I will join in that. Othwerwise at this point I am open to ideas.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'll appeal to the truth thank you because you will have to deal with it when I flip villager.

Johoolno inquired about your behavior and you were very aggressive with him. You became extremely aggressive with CPE. Its almost like you are trying to place yourself above criticism.

If someone else sees this aggressive behavior as a scum tell then I am willing to explore this possibility. Otherwise I am re-gathering myself and am not sure where to go atm.

[Lamont_Cranston]

But I will say that I don't believe Johoolno is scum.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well I think it should be at least explored as his behavior is kind of knocking around in the back of my head as possibly scummy.

Vote Sensfan

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well don't blame me when I flip village. You can save the blame for yourself on that one I've given my best

[Lamont_Cranston]

Stop fucking telling me what to do -- face it you are going to have to DEAL WITH IT when I flip village -- FACE AND and stop whining!

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is round 1. There almost is never much to go on WITHIN the first round. All I can recommend is setting up a dual BW. It makes it harder for the scum to hide. Since everybody believes I'm mafi I cannot possibly be BOTH of them. So line up your #2 suspect split the votes 50/50 and watch who goes where and when. Being village I can only know for sure that Sensfan, Rusty, Mills & Sotty have hit me pretty hard. So Day2 I would lynch from that list. I don't believe that you Johoolno are scum so thats it

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL wow that is so anti-village but I guess thats just you hey Sens?

[Lamont_Cranston]

And you WILL deal with it regardless.

[Lamont_Cranston]

That is just dumb and its an arrogant anti-village attitude.

I always regret lynching a villager even if they were as dumb as a box of rocks (not so much there tho)

[Lamont_Cranston]

There are such things as "neutral" lynches when its like a certainty for the village to win lynching off of a list but other than that it HURTS the village to lynch a villager. The Mafi advances the village gets weaker. Its just basic gameplay. You just want to hide from the pain & the reality of it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is round 1. There almost is never much to go on WITHIN the first round. All I can recommend is setting up a dual BW. It makes it harder for the scum to hide. Since everybody believes I'm mafi I cannot possibly be BOTH of them. So line up your #2 suspect split the votes 50/50 and watch who goes where and when. Being village I can only know for sure that Sensfan, Rusty, Mills & Sotty have hit me pretty hard. So Day2 I would lynch from that list. I don't believe that you Johoolno are scum so thats it

Oh ya if you like my litle list then for the dual BW to work you have to have one from that list be ur #2 suspect

[Lamont_Cranston]

Its still the truth however and I'm doing my job as village tio state as such emphatically

[Lamont_Cranston]

You should explain all of your votes. In fact, you should explain most of your actions. Not to analyze the game for me, but so that I can make an informed decision about you and your opinions. Explaining stuff is part of what townies do. It's

your

responsibility to convince others that you and your opinions are genuine.

If you think someone needs a vote, you need to provide facts to back that up. But more importantly, you need to explain

why

those facts lead you to a vote. And that's the part that you've been lacking in mostly. I'm out of time right now, but I'll go through some specific examples for you later.

I explained every vote and my actions in general. You have chosen note to follow along with my explanations. If the village lynches me it will be their responsibility to figure out why.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Because I will flip village.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I looked at the reasons you provided, and picked out the ones that I found most unsatisfactory.

Unvote, vote ckool

The dynamics have changed

Which dynamics? How have they changed? How does that change lead to your Ckool vote?

I am hunting scum my votes (in round 1) provide

pressure

towards that end. It doesn't make sense to come out and say so

while

I'm doing it.

Before CPE arrived, I became convinced that the two BW choices were both Village. I refuse to participate in the village lynching itself.

The johoolno lynch was to easy. That give me a bad feeeling.

How does an easy bandwagon imply that the target is townie?

The general rule is that silence = village on the BW.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I agree on the suggestion of SensFan aggression, especially having been the target of it...

VOTE: SensFan

What is scummy about aggression?

If it is true in this case it would be to discourage further questioning. I have noticed he has had to explain practically nothing of his voting behavior (and maybe because of his aggression).

This is round 1. There almost is never much to go on WITHIN the first round. All I can recommend is setting up a dual BW. It makes it harder for the scum to hide. Since everybody believes I'm mafi I cannot possibly be BOTH of them. So line up your #2 suspect split the votes 50/50 and watch who goes where and when. Being village I can only know for sure that Sensfan, Rusty, Mills & Sotty have hit me pretty hard. So Day2 I would lynch from that list. I don't believe that you Johoolno are scum so thats it

What makes you think your play today has been so perfect that townies wouldn't be on your wagon?

It is 100% fact that townies ARE on that list. But I would be willing to bet there is at least one Mafi as well

Unvote

for now.

I didn't like how quick Johoohno was willing to offer up the hammer. I also think I need to read back though the thread seeing as a lot of stuff had popped up since I was last here. LC is looking really bad, but I'm not 100% ready to lynch.[/quote]

Nice and thank you.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Before CPE arrived, I became convinced that the two BW choices were both Village. I refuse to participate in the village lynching itself.

The johoolno lynch was to easy. That give me a bad feeeling.

How does an easy bandwagon imply that the target is townie?

The general rule is that silence = village on the BW.

[/quote]

[Lamont_Cranston]

Correct thats what we ALL do in round 1 (if we're honerst about it). I probed for reactions not only for him but from everyone else as well...

[Lamont_Cranston]

My logic for voting him was alos 100% correct and I am not understanding why this is such a big deal for you. If somebody uses an "artificial" means for making their vote AND announces it as such they are providing a cover for the future where they can say they were NOT responsible for that vote. So I decided to hit hard on that and see what popped up.

Here you are...

[Lamont_Cranston]

You may have noticed that I ceased voting for you some time ago, haven't mentioned your name since & publicly stated the dynamics hand changed.

But here you are adding your name to a village BW...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh ya, IM TOWN -- deal with it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Right but when I flip village you won't say that anymore.

[Lamont_Cranston]

You may have noticed that I ceased voting for you some time ago, haven't mentioned your name since & publicly stated the dynamics hand changed.

But here you are adding your name to a village BW...

So people are only allowed to suspect those that suspect them?

No I was just noting for the record that I didn't push for his lynch; I voted for him briefly and moved on. I just wanted to make it clear that I haven't suspected him of anything for some time but that it was strange that all of a sudden he was joining this BW.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No. I know what I did and why. I didn't find anything to suggest that you or Johoolno were scum after initial concern towards that end. I left off voting for both of you because of that.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I never unvoted that was a misquote of someone else. Please restore:

Confirm Vote: Sensfan

[Lamont_Cranston]

And towards that end, the village will be better served with 2 BW choices rather than one. No matter what you believe concerning me I CANNOT be BOTH Mafi so voting for a second choice will be very helpful.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I like your line of questioning. I had my doubts at first but I believe now that you are village.

I am hunting scum my votes (in round 1) provide

pressure

towards that end. It doesn't make sense to come out and say so

while

I'm doing it.

Fair enough. But it does make sense to come out and explain now. So: who did you intend to pressure with your vote? What made you think your vote would pressure them? How did you expect them to react? What have their reactions told you?

Of course my initial pressure was on ckool himself; secondarily on everyone else. Votes always provide responses and thus evidence for finding mafi. Reactions take innumerable forms and of course the best hope is some sort of Mafi tell or Village tell. I have found ckool not be exhibiting Mafi behavior. If he has fooled me he has earned it and I will not agree to lynch him until there is some susbstantial change in the current evidence. At first I thought that Johoolno and he were our two Mafi's for his overt and out of place opposition, but I have later come to think that Johoolno is Village as well.

The general rule is that silence = village on the BW.

I've never heard of this "general rule". How does "silence = village" work, exactly? Can you show a reference that shows it is indeed a "general" rule.

Sure, it is a standard rule in Werewolf where I normally play. There are various strategy guides available and rule states that if it is all quiet on a lynch it is probably a villager that is being lynched.

And towards that end, the village will be better served with 2 BW choices rather than one. No matter what you believe concerning me I CANNOT be BOTH Mafi so voting for a second choice will be very helpful.

How will a second bandwagon help anyone but yourself?

It helps the village which also helps me because I am a villager whether I am lynched or not. The village is helped because if you have two good candidates for Mafi it will give excellent evidence based on the behavior of each player. The chances go up that you ACTUALLY have a Mafi in your sights -- so you focus on TWO people to lynch instead of one and this way its much harder for the Mafi to hide and you get the maximum evidential benefit even if you DO sadly lynch a villager.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm talking from relative inexperience here...

But two bandwagons means you're seeing two people under pressure and so getting lots of desperate responses from two people, not one. Basically more information should come.

True and even better you get to see how EVERYONE ELSE behaves which is your major benefit

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think I've had enough of talking with Sens for the moment. I do find him to be quite anti-village and am beginning to suspect that in this case it means more than just his "regular" behavior but its only my opinion and I'm waiting for input from others.

[Lamont_Cranston]

But two bandwagons means you're seeing two people under pressure and so getting lots of desperate responses from two people, not one. Basically more information should come.

Pressure isn't an infinite resource. You only have so much of it, and it tends to spread wherever it can. Both in physics and mafia. Two bandwagons means you'll see two people under less pressure than the target of a single bandwagon. It might lead to more information, I guess. But I seriously doubt it'll lead to more

accurate

information.

I've seen it used multiple times and it is quite powerful if set up correctly and its definitely better than only focusing on one lynch as far as gathering mafi intel/

It helps the village which also helps me because I am a villager whether I am lynched or not. The village is helped because if you have two good candidates for Mafi it will give excellent evidence based on the behavior of each player. The chances go up that you ACTUALLY have a Mafi in your sights -- so you focus on TWO people to lynch instead of one and this way its much harder for the Mafi to hide and you get the maximum evidential benefit even if you DO sadly lynch a villager.

How is it harder to hide for the mafia if we focus on two people? What evidence would we gain that we wouldn't gain from a single bandwagon?

Watching which player goes where and combining that with the lynch info & night kill info PLUS the info gathered from each of the lynchees, it just gives way more info to the village for identifying mafi.

As for chances, it's not just having at least one mafia in your sight that becomes more likely. It also becomes more likely that you'll have at least one townie sight. Don't you think that a double bandwagon will make it easier for mafia to manipulate townies into lynching the wrong person?

If so it will be documented and identifiable

I think I've had enough of talking with Sens for the moment. I do find him to be quite anti-village and am beginning to suspect that in this case it means more than just his "regular" behavior[...]

I'll share something I learned in my previous game: if you're truly suspicious of Sens, you should still be trying to convince us that you're right. Not wanting to argue with Sens himself is one thing. But if you drop the case completely we can only assume your suspicions were unfounded.

I have and am waiting for now.

[...] but its only my opinion and I'm waiting for input from others.

Saying you want input from others on your suspicions is generally a bad idea. At best, it makes you look uncertain, making it hard for you to push your case. But people might also wonder if you have no suspicions of your own (e.g., because you're scum) and want tag along with others.

I'm waiting for opinions from others sorry.

It's even worse when it comes from someone who's suggesting we start a second bandwagon while he's at L-1. You come off as someone who's opportunisticly looking for the most likely bandwagon in hopes of saving himself.

Sorry but a dual BW is way better for the village because the more info the village has the easier it is to nab mafi. I'm only passing on info to try to help which is about all I can do right now besides letting everyone know that its a mistake to lynch me bc I'm village.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Thanks for sharing Sens call me a newb if you want but YOU'RE the one advocating the lynching of a villager NOT ME. So don't tell me how I'M the newb.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh but I forgot you don't care about lynching villagers its just the way to do things for you.

Confirm Vote: Sensfan

[Lamont_Cranston]

Its called DADV -- Dead Air, Dead Villager. That's the principle anyway.

If you can't see how a dual bandwagon provides more info for the village, I'm sorry I can't help you.

Sensfan's attitude is expressly and blatanly anti-village, it pisses me off and sorry if you don't like it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No you don't get the point here. I HAVE explained it and not me but CPE too. You just refuse to understand for whatever reason...

What is the problem with your game analysis!? Why can't you see simple posts that are clear as day?

See post below for a great example of Sensfan's anti-village attitutde...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vote: L_C

I now support a lynch.

@sensfan: and so you support a lynch when I flip villager then?

I will also say that I have noticed that Sensfan has been rather abrasive with people that have inquired about his game behavior. If anyone else has noticed this and would like to vote him, I will join in that. Othwerwise at this point I am open to ideas.

I'll appeal to the truth thank you because you will have to deal with it when I flip villager.

Johoolno inquired about your behavior and you were very aggressive with him. You became extremely aggressive with CPE. Its almost like you are trying to place yourself above criticism.

If someone else sees this aggressive behavior as a scum tell then I am willing to explore this possibility. Otherwise I am re-gathering myself and am not sure where to go atm.

Well don't blame me when I flip village.

Stop fucking appealing to emotion. It is HURTING your case, since its a completely invalid, illogical, and unfounded argument.

No, I won't have to deal with SHIT ALL.

In fact, I will say right now, that even IF you flip Villager, I won't regret supporting your lynch.

LOL wow that is so anti-village but I guess thats just you hey Sens?

No, its not.

You're playing on emotion, you're not playing logically, and its a lynch. I never EVER regret being on a wagon.

There are such things as "neutral" lynches when its like a certainty for the village to win lynching off of a list but other than that it HURTS the village to lynch a villager. The Mafi advances the village gets weaker. Its just basic gameplay. You just want to hide from the pain & the reality of it.

This attitude is almost a policy lynch for me anyway.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont_Cranston: So much has been brought up against you and I don't intend to repeat it all here. If you think you are answering questions and everyone else doesn't think you are, you seriously need to reconsider whether you are answering these questions effectively. You don't explain many of your actions and when asked about it your explanations often are poor and inadequate. You are not helping the town, and saying that you are doesn't make it true. Very likely to be scum in my opinion.

In the beginning I didn't for stated reasons. Basically there are several people that are just using me as a posting ping-pong ball. My case as village has been clearly stated.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh and goodbye crewl world. Sorry village I tried my best, gl. There is penty of evidence that is for sure

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'll appeal to the truth thank you because you will have to deal with it when I flip villager.

LOL I haunted Sens from the grave!

Thanks Santos for avenging my death!

[Lamont_Cranston]

3) Sorry L_C, but you're wrong; dead wrong. Nothing I said or did D1 had anything to do with Scum, you were just a very easy lynch.

Precisely my point and you paid with your life and the game.