Open 139 (Lovers Mafia) - Over! before 781

[ZazieR]

/here

[ZazieR]

Vote Plum

OMGUS!

[ZazieR]

I think, out of five runs, Town has won four, and in the one where scum won scum lurking contributed.

I won the only lover game as scum with the last 5 games? Woot

And Plum, there actually was OMGUS.


Agreed with your plan.

[ZazieR]

(1) Plum - ZazieR
(1) orangepenguin - Crazy
(1) Crazy - orangepenguin

Not Voting - kirroha, Chief, Plum

Plum, did you change your vote in the end because you realised you like me too much ?

Mod

Plum's voting me

Thank you. Fixed.

[ZazieR]

Anyways, as for the present, I am 102% sure that Plum may or may not be scum. It could go either way.

???

[ZazieR]

Anyways, as for the present, I am 102% sure that Plum may or may not be scum. It could go either way.

???

There are no errors in my post. There is a hint of humor though.

Questioning humor = scum?

Questioning = Interrogating = Cop.


Cop + scum = Role Cop? Zaz, are you the scum role cop?

No, I'm the Spanish Exposition
(Although I have no idea what that is >.<)
(And no, I don't want to know what it is.)

[ZazieR]

Where's Plum actually

Also, when the hope's lost, we'll follow the Sens-way:

Vote Crazy

[ZazieR]

Where's Plum actually

Also, when the hope's lost, we'll follow the Sens-way:

Vote Crazy

Ooh, I'm at L-1. Scum can go ahead and hammer me, btw. Especially in a setup where the town wins if they find just one scum.

[ZazieR]

Where's Plum actually

Also, when the hope's lost, we'll follow the Sens-way:

Vote Crazy

Plum is here and humbly begs pardon. Busy times. In other news, I'm not unhappy about the recent turn of events. Crazy is correct about the effects of him being at L-1 and Sens' tactics do have their benefits (what I was talking about re multiple directions taken Day 1). I'm wondering at Zazie's emoticon - what do you mean to say with that knit forehead?

It's not a knit >.<
It's raising his eyebrow...

And I'm using that emoticon to show that I'm suspicious of his last post.

[ZazieR]

Yup! Good for us then! Anyway, the mafia could have easily hammered crazy, so I had to unvote.

Which is a bad thing, because?

[ZazieR]

EBWOP
Also, the only three players who weren't voting Crazy all had posted after my vote, so why are you scared, Chief?

[ZazieR]

Why? Was I not correct? If a stupid scum hammers me, we lynch the stupid scum tomorrow and win

Exactly. And that's why it's suspicious. If you believe that the scum would hammer you, why would you post:
'Scum hammer me, so that the town can lynch you towmorrow '

It makes no sense for any townie to say that.

Also, by posting this, it makes every player scared of hammering you in case you're town, because it would make that player suspicious as it's now assumed that scum will hammer.


These two reasons make your post suspicious.

[ZazieR]

Crazy

First some questions before I respond:
-If someone would hammer you now, would you think that player is scum or would you think he/she is town? Why?
-Do you think Chief's unvote is justified regarding her reason? Why?
-Do you agree with me that the way you wrote your first post regarding my vote, gives a kind of defence as players will be afraid to hammer you? Why?

[ZazieR]

Also, the Sens-way is following two things. I've followed the first, what do you think of the second (lynching random)?
(question to everybody)

Please include why.

[ZazieR]

Crazy (post 60)

Scum, for sure. Since when is hammering someone on Page 3 not obvscum?

Well, newbie games have disproven this statement
But anyway, both you and Chief agreed with this, so I don't see why both of you were so cautious.

I often see people get paranoid when people are at L-1 for no particular reason. I don't have any problem with Chief's reaction.

She knows we only have to lynch one scum. She was afraid that scum would hammer you. If scum would hammer you, we could lynch the scum tomorrow and we would win. And comparing her reaction to those I've seen from players after Sens had put someone at L-1, it seems she did not get paranoid.

We have only 2 lynches this game. If we lynch town, we severely cut down our chances of winning. No amount of kickstarting discussion can really justify that.

I disagree. Scum loses when one scum gets lynched. When a random lynch is started on scum, the other will disagree and try to get somebody else lynched. So a random lynch gives information as we can disclose some pairings. Use Plum's plan day 2, and we'll have lots of possible pairings eliminated.

[ZazieR]

Plum (post 61)

At this point, hammering isn't a good idea, and if people are scared of hammering at this stage, well, good. As Crazy said, a hammer vote is scummy at this point in the game - at later stages, once we've had substantial discussion of suspicion, a well-reasoned hammer vote is not scummy.

In my game, the discussion of day 1, lead to the loss of the town. The rest of why I disagree with this, can be found in my post aimed at Crazy.

Where the heck is OP?

Unvote; Vote: orangepenguin

Lurker vote? Why?

[ZazieR]

Chief (post 69)

Yeah, I did get kinda paranoid when Crazy was at L-1, because we don't really have proof against him, do we?

Open 102 and Open 109(a) show 'paranoid' reactions. ^^This, to me, is not paranoid.

It was pretty obvious that the scum would hammer him, but it was sort of a WIFOM, and a risk to take, none the less.

Um, no. Every non-Crazy voter had posted after my vote.
Besides, if it's that obvious to you that scum would hammer, then why would it be WIFOM?

I was afraid we risk getting an innocent townie lynched and since the fact that scum would probably be the one who hammers Crazy, it sort of posed a WIFOM for us, so we won't be very sure that the one who hammered is scum.

First of all, what is it? Is it

obvious

that the scum would hammer, or

probably

?
Secondly, why would a townie hammer after Crazy's comment of being put at L-1? Heck, why would anyone hammer him after that?
And last, why would either Plum or kirroha change their vote after having shown no interest of voting Crazy after my vote?

ZazieR, you seem a little eager to vote crazy off. You're questioning my decision to unvote, and I feel you're trying to threaten me into voting for Crazy again. This seems a little suspicious, because we don't have concrete evidence, like Kirroha said, we're still sort of in the RVS...

FoS: ZazieR

Of course I'm questioning your unvote. Why shouldn't I?
Can you also state why you get the impression I'm threatening you into voting Crazy?

[ZazieR]

Crazy (post 72)

True, you didn't say that scum would hammer you. However, you did make it sound that the scum would be more likely to hammer you than a townie. Which would mean that nobody wants to hammer you now. At a point like this, this is very useful for scum to say. So I agree with post 71. Well, the first part. Not sure about the second part.

[ZazieR]

OP's last post is definitly not useful...
Just posting something that was first discussed, but isn't useful now as nobody is at L-1. Scum staying in the background?

Also, OP, why did you assume that lover team?

[ZazieR]

This game is moving way too slowly.

Whack the Penguin!

Unvote Vote orangepenguin

[ZazieR]

Look, Pengy is already carrying the hammer, while those who are voting him are bringing him to his end. This is a hint! Pengy wants to be hammered

[ZazieR]

Crazy

And I don't particularly think I was cautious... unless you mean about making a note that I was at L-1... but there I was afraid that someone would accidentally hammer me, not conciously hammer me.

I have no troubles when someone points out that he's at L-1. I do have troubles when someone plays cautious by adding that scum could hammer, but that that would result into a town win. I've discussed this already in previous posts.

So you're saying that you'd approve of a random lynch right now? Really?

I indeed think that a random lynch today is the way to go. I've already explained why. Wasn't this obvious enough?

[ZazieR]

Plum

My point is that without solid discussion today a random lynch is nowhere near optimal play. The more productive our discussions Day 1 are, the more we make people take stances and defend those stances and argue suspicions and vote their suspects today, the better a time we'll have pinpointing the scum Day 2, assuming we need a Day 2 (I might be wrong, but I seem to recall no Lovers setup got scum lynched Day 1. I game for trying it, though ). I want to use the plan I suggested Day 1.

By the way, there are two sorts of random you may speak of in this game:

1) Everyone agrees that a dice roll will be made and everyone else will vote that player to be lynched.

or

2) Someone is content to push any bandwagon that gets a few votes to L-1 or to a lynch.

The dice roll is not optimal. 'Random' 2 is less problematic, but I believe that demanding more concrete reasons for suspicions and votes is the way to go.

Well, actually, the Sens-way has resulted in discussion. The only discussion it hasn't taken care of is your vote against OP and the posts responding to it. But tell me, is 'lurking' a concrete reason for suspicions and/or votes?
And if you want to use your plan day 1, then why haven't you said who you think OP's partner is?
As for the above methods of random lynching, 1 is bad, 2 is good.

I'd again like to disagree with your belief that Day 1 discussion is not optimal. When any lynch is started on scum, the other will disagree - not just a random lynch; and continued scumhunting is the best way to sniff around for scum, increasing the chances that bandwagons will form on scum. Furthermore, a given random bandwagon-to-lynch Day 1 has a 2/6 chance of finding scum; it does not, however, do much to eliminate possible pairings if we get to Day 2, because all we would know, assuming minimal discussion, is that there were four players willing to lynch a Townie, and that does not eliminate any pairings.

But first, a wagon have to get started against a scum, before the other scum can disagree. With the Sens-way, this is more likely to happen. And I'm not going to explain it any further as it would only ruin the information we can get from it.
Also, if you got the impression that I was saying that discussion day 1 is bad, I was not. I'm saying that the discussion in my previous game, that was based upon scumhunting day 1, lead to the loss of the town.

[ZazieR]

Crazy

Though I too think that having no discussion is ridiculous,

a random die roll cannot be influenced by scum

, but a random wagon can be.

Well, actually, it can.

Who do you think is scum, OP? I was somewhat leaning towards you, but pretty much I'm suspicious of most people here.

ORLY? Then why haven't you stated any suspicions against OP? And who else do you think is suspicious (with reasons)?

[ZazieR]

Pengy

60% of my posts have been relevant, IMO, out of 10 total posts, which is pretty good. I mean, I still thought it was the random stage, so really, the 4 OT posts aren't a big deal.

Well, I don't agree. You switched your vote against Crazy (which you thought had a valid reason) for a vote against Plum due to her OMGUS (that's the impression I get from that post). And when you started to post after Plum's vote, you didn't bring anything new up. You even brought something up which wasn't useful anymore as nobody was at L-1 at that time.

Also, what triggered your gut feeling against Plum?

[ZazieR]

Kirroha

You won't take Pengy home, as Pengy will take you home with him to add you to his collection


But anyway, what's your opinion of OP?

[ZazieR]

I have no troubles when someone points out that he's at L-1. I do have troubles when someone plays cautious by adding that scum could hammer, but that that would result into a town win. I've discussed this already in

previous

posts.

Previous post

My point is that there's nothing wrong with stating that you're at L-1. However, I see no reason whatsoever for posting this with it if you're a townie:

Scum can go ahead and hammer me, btw. Especially in a setup where the town wins if they find just one scum.

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VOTE COUNT

(3) orangepenguin - Crazy, Plum, ZazieR

(1) Chief - kirroha
(1) Plum - orangepenguin

Not Voting - Chief

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

[ZazieR]

Chief

You've got nothing to say regarding my response to post 69?

[ZazieR]

Uhm, you weren't thinking about a townie hammering when you wrote this:

Scum can go ahead and hammer me, btw. Especially in a setup where the town wins if they find just one scum.

LAL?

Unvote Vote Crazy

[ZazieR]

Also, when will you state your reasons for thinking that OP is suspicious, and what about stating your other suspicions with reasons?

[ZazieR]

Will post tomorrow, I can't focus right now...

[ZazieR]

Will be leaving soon (conecrt). Sorry for my inactivity lately. Things have happened...

[ZazieR]

Also, when will you state your reasons for thinking that OP is suspicious, and what about stating your other suspicions with reasons?

Lurky. Not much content. That's pretty obvious. I was also suspicious of you and kirroha, because I think your guys' case on me isn't founded on solid ground. I'm pretty null on Chief and Plum seems pro-town.

As for somebody who thinks lurking is scummy, I wonder why you didn't mention Chief or Kirroha when they were inactive.

Uhm, you weren't thinking about a townie hammering when you wrote this:

Did you even read my post? I asked if your issue was if I was trying to get

town

not to hammer me or

scum

not to hammer me. I defended myself from both arguments.

My argument isn't about that. You're making players 'scared' into hammering you. That's my point. That's why I think you're scummy. Scum has reasons for this, while townies don't. Especially when you think that a hammerer on page 3 would be obvious scum, this is scummy as hell.

So I take it that means your case is that I was trying to get

scum

not to hammer me, right? If that's not what it was, then tell me, just so I know what to defend from.

I'm assuming the former now, that you think I was trying to get

scum

not to hammer me. Well, if I'm scum, why do I have to worry about scum hammering me? Why do I need to convince my scum partner not to hammer me?! It makes no sense!

Your move, Zazie. I think I can win this duel.

'I think I can win this duel'. Why has nobody giving any comments to this? Do townies think about winning a duel? This is not a townie speaking

[ZazieR]

unvote, Vote: Crazy

Lynch all liars.

Where did I lie? If you're talking about ZazieR's accusation, reread please. I wasn't sure what her case was so I covered both possibilities.

If you're talking about the stupid "I've never been in a Lovers game before," I meant this particular setup, not any game with Lovers in it.

You weren't thinking that a townie would hammer. A hammerer would have been obv scum to you. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for you to include that in your defence. You 'warned' someone who would be obv scum to you. Give me one reason why a townie would do that.
That's why I said it was a lie. You were according to you not thinking about a townie hammering. The hammerer would be scum to you. So I don't see any reason why to include a townie hammerer into your defence.

[ZazieR]

Why is lurking a scumtell? Basically, because (in my humble opinion) the optimal town strategy is to pull as much information as we can out of everyone. Consistent contribution is the best way to achieve that; we need to make everyone participate in discussion lest scum lurk so they don't have to risk drawing attention to themselves or their partners and don't leave a trail to read when we go looking for probably scumpairs etc. Lurkers provide only the information that they're not around and doing something extremely anti-town.

The same question I asked Crazy goes for you as well. If you think lurking is scummy, then why didn't you call Chief and Kirroha out when they were inactive?

Well, I'm glad to know that you think discussion Day 1 isn't bad. From the way I'm reading it, your approach to the Sens-method (which doesn't, if I recall, advocate any discussion Day 1, just fast random bandwagoning and lynching) is to attempt to take multiple new directions Day 1 and be willing to see any wagon that got close enough to the lynch. I don't personally think that such is quite optimal; I sort of think it might be prone to the downsides of two more extreme plans (not as much discussion to lean on Day 2, assuming we need it, as we might have, but enough discussion that scum could manipulate the wagons to their benefit) but am not entirely sure that such would be the case. I agree with pressure being put in multiple directions Day 1, and I also agree that discussion isn't bad - it's by far our best tool in this game.

The Sens-approach is actually good. You know your allignment. If you're townie and you put someone at L-1, the chance that both the scum are on the wagon is very little. Which means that if the one who's being wagoned is also a townie, the scum almost has to hammer. Otherwise, he/they has/have to try to get another wagon. If they fail, he/they need to hammer for a lynch. A townie would do it for the right reasons, while the scum have to come up with a fake one. Based upon the reason for the hammer, you can see if the hammerer is a townie or scum.
In the mean time, you can check the interactions.
-Who looks like he/she wants to hammer, but doesn't. What are the reasons, why he/she doesn't hammer?
-Who's trying to start another wagon? Why?
And more like these. So to me, I think that this is the right approach for day 1.

Really? How?

This was asked when I said that a dice could be influenced. My response:
I don't think I've ever done a dice roll in a game of mafia, but I have done so in a PM, and at GD. Here you can alter them. I was confused about this for a sec.

Crazy reacted to Zazie's L-1 vote by, to paraphrase him, daring the scum to hammer him. Zazie's argument was that Crazy's reaction, basically dissuading a rash hammer on himself, was scummy because

a) No townie would want to actively dissuade scum from giving themselves away like that in this setup

however

b) It would dissuade townies from hammering in the case that he was town, which scum would actively want

And here b), as I belive Crazy later argues, is null because neither a Townie nor a scumbag would want to have been quickhammered by a townie at that point. The motivation there is absolutely null. Crazy also explains that his point in making clear that he was at L-1 and the consequences of any quick vote on him were clear, especially to townies, and says he didn't believe scum would rashly hammer him at that point. I agree on both counts; the points made by Crazy here are fair and not scummy - null mostly.

You forget that Crazy has said that he didn't think that a townie would hammer. The hammerer would have been obv scum to him. So why not sacrifice yourself to catch scum if he's a townie? This is my main point.
The other is that he 'warns' scum not to hammer him. By using this, he actually 'scares' players into not hammering him.
He said that scum would be the one to hammer, yet he 'warns' everybody not to hammer.
Tell me after Crazy's response how this makes sense.

Crazy outlined and addressed two possible concerns of Zazie's with his statement: that he was dissuading townies from quickhammering and that he was dissuading/warning scum against quickhammering him. Both had reasonable town motivations as he explained. Then, after Zazie reiterates her concerns and Crazy quotes his point about dissuading Townies from quickhammering him, Zazie brings back the original post, says that he was obviously not talking about a townie hammering him, and votes him for 'lying'. There is no lying here; Crazy was unsure of your concerns and addressed two possibilities. He requotes one and you say that such wasn't the concern you were seeing and he must be lying because that wasn't what he had been talking about? He was not lying and frankly you stating that in such stark terms looks false.

I've already explained what I meant. He's lying to me as he said that he thought that a townie wouldn't hammer. Yet, he uses it as counter argument.
You really don't think it's odd that he would 'warn' scum into not hammering him if he's a townie?
Also, look at the previous games in which Sens put someone at L-1. Crazy's first response to him being at L-1 is not a townie speaking to me.

[ZazieR]

So Plum joined my side, good. Logic shall prevail.

I'm thinking either Zazie and kirroha or Zazie or OP as the scum team.

I'll duel with anyone that wants it. Zazie, OP, etc.

State why you think these teams.

[ZazieR]

and the only scum win of this setup involved scum who, intentionally or not, posted very little in the game.

This is not true. Charter and I've talked about said game. Kevin can probably guess why.
Anyway, Charter did not say that it's because they lurked. In his opinion, it was because one player was acting very anti-town. If you read the game, it will be quite obvious what happened. The lurking had very little to do with it. Don't speak about things you don't know the real reason behind it.

Lover pairing will come up soon.

[ZazieR]

And how when after I voted her she hasn't showed up, despite posting lots elsewhere on site?

I've lately only been active in one game, as it's very easy for me to keep uptodate with. I was planning to post yesterday, but I forgot I had a concert with my school's orchestra. And lately, I've been thinking about something, which leads to my decrease of focus to mafia. I even posted this in the game I've been active in.

Don't speak about things you don't know the real reason behind.

[ZazieR]

Why would scum need to stop other scum from hammering them? Craplogic = Scum = Die, Zazie

You said that scum would hammer you, not town. That's what I was saying.

What's the reason that you think Kevin can be scum with me?

[ZazieR]

I wasn't worried about either. I said what I said for no particular reason. I was

worried

about Zazie's argument against me. I didn't know what exactly it was, so I covered both possible arguments to save time.

?

Well, I thought she might have thought that I was talking about a scum hammer, but really trying to scare off townies from hammering me, as someone (kirroha, I think), said

. Still, I covered both defenses.

Isn't this what I have been saying all along?

[ZazieR]

It was the random stage. Zazie put me at L-1. I had to say something!

That's why you 'warn' scum. Makes lots of sense
There were lots of possible responses, yet you choose to 'warn' scum.
Besides, it doesn't make sense at all as you didn't even think about a townie hammering. You said, scum would have hammered. Not buying the excuse written in the above quote.

[ZazieR]

As for somebody who thinks lurking is scummy, I wonder why you didn't mention Chief or Kirroha when they were inactive.

Well, they weren't as bad as OP... and OP's posts were more devoid of content.

Chief got prodded, while OP didn't. So how was OP worse? And OP has stated his suspicions. Can you say that for Kirroha?

My argument isn't about that. You're making players 'scared' into hammering you. That's my point. That's why I think you're scummy. Scum has reasons for this, while townies don't. Especially when you think that a hammerer on page 3 would be obvious scum, this is scummy as hell.

I'm getting "players" scared to hammer me? What players, town or scum? I gave a defense for both.

Town. And your defense is BS as you never thought of a stupid townie hammering. Besides, I don't see why you'd post that if you're a townie as you said that the hammerer would be scum. Why 'warn' the scum if you're a townie?

'I think I can win this duel'. Why has nobody giving any comments to this? Do townies think about winning a duel? This is not a townie speaking

I do. When I'm positive or nearly positive somebody is scum, then I like winning duels. In Open 119, I had a very enjoyable duel with dejkha. Or you could see Paris Mafia with Kmd.

It's not about winning duels. It's about lynching scum. I see that statement as 'give up your attacks against me, or you'll feel sorry'

You weren't thinking that a townie would hammer. A hammerer would have been obv scum to you. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for you to include that in your defence. You 'warned' someone who would be obv scum to you. Give me one reason why a townie would do that.
That's why I said it was a lie. You were according to you not thinking about a townie hammering. The hammerer would be scum to you. So I don't see any reason why to include a townie hammerer into your defence.

By your logic, anybody that uses the word "flabbergasted" must be scum because there's no real reason why a townie would use that word.

Wrong comparison. Fallacy. I also don't see any explanation why a townie would 'warn' scum ever.
'flabbergasted'

See, you don't look for what doesn't have townie motivation... you look for what

has

scum motivation. Tell me, if you

are

talking about scaring scum not to hammer you, then

why

would scum need to scare theiry scum-partner into not hammering him? Scum usually don't need convincing to not hammer their partner, you know.

You've said that you think that the hammerer would've been scum. I'm taking over these exact words when I mention my point against you. Of course, it makes no sense for scum to say that.
However, if townies think that other players will look at them as scum if they hammer, they won't hammer as they are 'scared' that the lynched player is town. So it makes perfect sense for scum-Crazy to say, but not for town-Crazy.

I'll admit making that post wasn't for any strategic purpose, but do you expect everything in the RVS to be that way? You have only explained how it doesn't have town motivation; you haven't explained how it has scum motivation.

If scum gets lynched, it's game over for the scum. So if townies don't hammer scum, they can still win. By scaring them you, as scum, can stil win.

State why you think these teams.

You and Kirroha have both been holding the same opinions, here. OP voted me with no content or explanation after you had made your case.

[ZazieR]

-If someone would hammer you now, would you think that player is scum or would you think he/she is town? Why?

Scum, for sure. Since when is hammering someone on Page 3 not obvscum?

In response to your last post. If you were hammered, you would have thought that it was scum. You were never once thinking that town would hammer you as you said in the above quote. So this is NOT the case at all:

See, perfectly reasonable town-sided explanation.

You don't have a valid explanation for town-side, as you're scum.

And I haven't seen this:

I've provided reasons either why it doesn't make sense for me to do that as scum, or why I would possibly do that as town.

As for this:

Yes, I said that scum would hammer me. Of course town wouldn't. But what's your case; I provided defenses for either, but you're ignoring them.

I haven't ignored them as one of them isn't the case, and the other isn't valid. Reasons have already been stated. May I now continue posting?

[ZazieR]

Zazie, who do you think I am scum with?

Valid are Kevin, Kirroha and Plum. I believe it's one of them.
Reasons when you finally give me time to post my pair list.

If I'm lynched as town, who do you think the scumteam is?

I'll come back to this when I've posted my pair list.

[ZazieR]

For somebody who would have been happy with a Plum lynch yesterday, I wonder why you vote Kirroha now. Not to mention that you did it in Lylo. Explain OP.

Will look at the last posts soon

[ZazieR]

Well, actually, I just saw that I still have to post possible pairings.
So I'll do that right now.

Chief didn't give much to work with. She randomvoted Crazy, unvoted when Crazy was at L-1, which included a bad reason in my opinion, and she FoSed me. As I know both allignments, I have no information when looking for connections.
Afterwards came Kevin. The most notable action is that he voted Kirroha. No trouble with that, however Kevin is very stubborn when it comes down to suspicions. So to me, it's strange that he voted Kirroha, but didn't try to get her lynched after his first analysis.
Pairings:
Not sure. Chief didn't state much suspicions, and Kevin's interactions were mainly with Crazy.
Leaning scum though.

[ZazieR]

Kirroha hasn't done much. She has stated many times how careful we have to be with a lynch, but in no post of hers, I can find who she suspects. The only exception might be her last post, though it appears to be a joke. So I hope she'll give some clarification:

Crazy sounds Townie-desperate to me. I don't really think he's scum. However, there's not much I can do to change anything.

I think Kmd is scum, because Chief told me she was scum. No, really.

Also, the fact that that she didn't agree with a Crazy lynch, but has done nothing to change it, makes me question her motives.
Also scummy.
Possible pairings are not to be seen from her side as she hasn't interacted much.

[ZazieR]

What were you thinking OP!!!!
This will be the first time that I comment at end-game, and also my last. Seriously!

Plum attacked you for lurking, but didn't mention Chief or Kirroha and ignored my question about it.
She also attacked me for a BS case against Crazy, but didn't do the same against Kevin. It was obvious that she was hiding something.

As for Chief, her unvote against Crazy was suspicious like hell due to the reason she gave. And Kevin attacking Kirroha was him trying to lynch somebody else so that I would focus the next day on Crazy again.

Normally, I'll try to say it nice, but town sucked in this game, especially after somebody voted right at the start in Lylo. WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!!!

[ZazieR]

Also, before I forget, scum QT?

[ZazieR]

Man, I

really

enjoyed this game, especially being Kmd's scumbuddy. Lover. Um, Zazie, let's not tell Tajo about this, 'kay?

Don't worry about it. I'm not planning to mention this game ever again, as I was finally right, and still lost.

The only thing I'd like to say is sorry to Crazy. If I wouldn't have used my stubborn behaviour in this game, we might have won.

[ZazieR]

So Kirroha really knew Chief's allignment O.o? I was already afraid that to be the case...