Crazy wrote:Kmd wrote:OMGUS much?
Yeah, you know if you just quote the last two sentences of a post that includes a vote, it always looks like OMGUS.
My point was the vote. I wasn't going to quote the whole post.
I'll go through it though if you really want me to.
Crazy wrote:
Did you even read my post? I asked if your issue was if I was trying to get
town
not to hammer me or
scum
not to hammer me. I defended myself from both arguments.
So I take it that means your case is that I was trying to get
scum
not to hammer me, right? If that's not what it was, then tell me, just so I know what to defend from.
So either you were worried about town hammering or you were worried about scum hammering. Why defend against both? Why not say which is the case and just defend against that point?
But, anyway. At this point, the post is more defense than attack. So I won't consider this part of your case.
Crazy wrote:I'm assuming the former now, that you think I was trying to get
scum
not to hammer me. Well, if I'm scum, why do I have to worry about scum hammering me? Why do I need to convince my scum partner not to hammer me?! It makes no sense!
Not the point. You basically said that anyone who hammers you is scum. Zazie clearly pointed out why that was scummy. It scares anyone away from hammering. It allows you to stay alive. If you are scum, it allows your game to continue.
Crazy wrote:Your move, Zazie. I think I can win this duel.
Unvote
Vote ZazieR
And now we come to your vote. The only point I see in your post is that Zazie went after you and you disagree with why she did so. The line at the end of the post gives me a bad feeling. The "Your move, Zazie. I think I can win this duel." Please clarify what you mean by that. Are you really THAT convinced that she is scum for attacking you and lynching her will win the game for the town? Doesn't seem that way.
Crazy wrote: Did you see how flimsy Zazie's logic is?
No. I agree with a good portion of her logic.
Crazy wrote:And how when after I voted her she hasn't showed up, despite posting lots elsewhere on site?
Actually, her absence is not game related.
And her "posting lots elsewhere" is a combination of being active in ONE game and posts saying that she isn't posting much. Try again.
Crazy wrote:On further thought, I don't like Kmd's post at all.
Of course you don't. I expressed some suspicion on you. And your reaction has me thinking there's good reason for it.
Crazy wrote:His logic for voting kirroha is entirely Process-of-elimination, simply because she has the most possible scum-partners. Now this isn't too bad on it's own,
Yep. Looking at all pairs.
Crazy wrote:but his logic for ruling out possible scum-partners is based on rather flimsy WIFOM (scum wouldn't buddy this hard, or scum wouldn't distance this hard, bleh) Assuming that scum will never put each other at L-1 is a very long stretch, especially considering there hasn't been an imminent threat of a lynch until recently.
You and Zaz are attacking much harder than scum should attack each other in this setup. I really don't think either of you is that dumb. OP went after you harder than scum should go after their partners. And Plum, as scum, would not be dumb enough to push the same Day 1 lynch as her buddy, especially in this setup. I am comfortable eliminating Crazy/Zazie, Crazy/OP, Crazy/Plum, and Zazie/OP as scum pairs.
I don't think Plum, as scum would vote Zazie to make the lynch realistic. I am comfortable eliminating Plum/Zazie as a scum pair.
OP/Plum is a flimsy reason. I agree.
So I guess that leaves Kirroha/Anyone and OP/Plum as the most likely pairs. Still much higher odds of Kirroha being scum. Still the best lynch IMO.
By scuminess alone, you'd be much higher on my list. But for you to be scum with anyone BUT Kirroha, you'll have had to bus Zazie at an extreme level OR OP will have had to bus you unnecessarily OR Plum will have had to follow her scumbuddy, which I guess can't be completely ruled out, but I don't think Plum would be that dumb. Kirroha is still the best lynch because even if you are scum, you are probably scum with her, and we win as soon as we lynch her.
Crazy wrote:The other thing, what Kmd said about Kirroha being scum because of having so many possible scum-partners also applies to Chief, don't you think? I mean, from Kmd's standpoint, that's fine, but from the rest of the town, we would have to assume that Kmd is town in order to believe his logic on Kirroha, otherwise, it applies to both of them.
Actually, you are right. Cheif didn't leave any huge non-connections. Because Cheif lurked to the point of being replaced.
If you want me to analyze myself from an outside view, you could probably eliminate a Kmd/Kirroha pair and come close to eliminating a Kmd/Crazy or Kmd/OP pair. I'd have to be scum with either Plum or Zazie.
Actually, Crazy. Why haven't you looked at the possible pairs like Plum suggested yet? It is very useful for town in this setup.