Open 139 (Lovers Mafia) - Over! before 781

[Crazy]

OMGUS much?

Yeah, you know if you just quote the last two sentences of a post that includes a vote, it always looks like OMGUS. Did you see how flimsy Zazie's logic is? And how when after I voted her she hasn't showed up, despite posting lots elsewhere on site?

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VOTE COUNT

(2) Crazy - ZazieR, orangepenguin

(2) ZazieR - Crazy, Plum
(1) Chief - kirroha
(1) kirroha - Kmd4390

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

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[Crazy]

On further thought, I don't like Kmd's post at all. His logic for voting kirroha is entirely Process-of-elimination, simply because she has the most possible scum-partners. Now this isn't too bad on it's own, but his logic for ruling out possible scum-partners is based on rather flimsy WIFOM (scum wouldn't buddy this hard, or scum wouldn't distance this hard, bleh) Assuming that scum will never put each other at L-1 is a very long stretch, especially considering there hasn't been an imminent threat of a lynch until recently.

The other thing, what Kmd said about Kirroha being scum because of having so many possible scum-partners also applies to Chief, don't you think? I mean, from Kmd's standpoint, that's fine, but from the rest of the town, we would have to assume that Kmd is town in order to believe his logic on Kirroha, otherwise, it applies to both of them.

[Kmd4390]

OMGUS much?

Yeah, you know if you just quote the last two sentences of a post that includes a vote, it always looks like OMGUS.

My point was the vote. I wasn't going to quote the whole post.

I'll go through it though if you really want me to.

Did you even read my post? I asked if your issue was if I was trying to get

town

not to hammer me or

scum

not to hammer me. I defended myself from both arguments.

So I take it that means your case is that I was trying to get

scum

not to hammer me, right? If that's not what it was, then tell me, just so I know what to defend from.

So either you were worried about town hammering or you were worried about scum hammering. Why defend against both? Why not say which is the case and just defend against that point?

But, anyway. At this point, the post is more defense than attack. So I won't consider this part of your case.

I'm assuming the former now, that you think I was trying to get

scum

not to hammer me. Well, if I'm scum, why do I have to worry about scum hammering me? Why do I need to convince my scum partner not to hammer me?! It makes no sense!

Not the point. You basically said that anyone who hammers you is scum. Zazie clearly pointed out why that was scummy. It scares anyone away from hammering. It allows you to stay alive. If you are scum, it allows your game to continue.

Your move, Zazie. I think I can win this duel.

Unvote
Vote ZazieR

And now we come to your vote. The only point I see in your post is that Zazie went after you and you disagree with why she did so. The line at the end of the post gives me a bad feeling. The "Your move, Zazie. I think I can win this duel." Please clarify what you mean by that. Are you really THAT convinced that she is scum for attacking you and lynching her will win the game for the town? Doesn't seem that way.

Did you see how flimsy Zazie's logic is?

No. I agree with a good portion of her logic.

And how when after I voted her she hasn't showed up, despite posting lots elsewhere on site?

Actually, her absence is not game related.

And her "posting lots elsewhere" is a combination of being active in ONE game and posts saying that she isn't posting much. Try again.

On further thought, I don't like Kmd's post at all.

Of course you don't. I expressed some suspicion on you. And your reaction has me thinking there's good reason for it.

His logic for voting kirroha is entirely Process-of-elimination, simply because she has the most possible scum-partners. Now this isn't too bad on it's own,

Yep. Looking at all pairs.

but his logic for ruling out possible scum-partners is based on rather flimsy WIFOM (scum wouldn't buddy this hard, or scum wouldn't distance this hard, bleh) Assuming that scum will never put each other at L-1 is a very long stretch, especially considering there hasn't been an imminent threat of a lynch until recently.

You and Zaz are attacking much harder than scum should attack each other in this setup. I really don't think either of you is that dumb. OP went after you harder than scum should go after their partners. And Plum, as scum, would not be dumb enough to push the same Day 1 lynch as her buddy, especially in this setup. I am comfortable eliminating Crazy/Zazie, Crazy/OP, Crazy/Plum, and Zazie/OP as scum pairs.

I don't think Plum, as scum would vote Zazie to make the lynch realistic. I am comfortable eliminating Plum/Zazie as a scum pair.

OP/Plum is a flimsy reason. I agree.

So I guess that leaves Kirroha/Anyone and OP/Plum as the most likely pairs. Still much higher odds of Kirroha being scum. Still the best lynch IMO.

By scuminess alone, you'd be much higher on my list. But for you to be scum with anyone BUT Kirroha, you'll have had to bus Zazie at an extreme level OR OP will have had to bus you unnecessarily OR Plum will have had to follow her scumbuddy, which I guess can't be completely ruled out, but I don't think Plum would be that dumb. Kirroha is still the best lynch because even if you are scum, you are probably scum with her, and we win as soon as we lynch her.

The other thing, what Kmd said about Kirroha being scum because of having so many possible scum-partners also applies to Chief, don't you think? I mean, from Kmd's standpoint, that's fine, but from the rest of the town, we would have to assume that Kmd is town in order to believe his logic on Kirroha, otherwise, it applies to both of them.

Actually, you are right. Cheif didn't leave any huge non-connections. Because Cheif lurked to the point of being replaced.

If you want me to analyze myself from an outside view, you could probably eliminate a Kmd/Kirroha pair and come close to eliminating a Kmd/Crazy or Kmd/OP pair. I'd have to be scum with either Plum or Zazie.

Actually, Crazy. Why haven't you looked at the possible pairs like Plum suggested yet? It is very useful for town in this setup.

[Crazy]

So either you were worried about town hammering or you were worried about scum hammering. Why defend against both? Why not say which is the case and just defend against that point?

But, anyway. At this point, the post is more defense than attack. So I won't consider this part of your case.

Because Zazie wasn't clear, and I wanted to cover either response from her.

Not the point. You basically said that anyone who hammers you is scum. Zazie clearly pointed out why that was scummy. It scares anyone away from hammering. It allows you to stay alive. If you are scum, it allows your game to continue.

Zazie stated that the issue was that I was scaring scum away from hammering me. Read her post, here:

Uhm, you weren't thinking about a townie hammering when you wrote this:

Scum can go ahead and hammer me, btw. Especially in a setup where the town wins if they find just one scum.

LAL?

Unvote Vote Crazy

Why would scum need to stop other scum from hammering them? Craplogic = Scum = Die, Zazie.

I didn't make any real notes of all possible scumpairs, Kmd, because both Chief and Kirroha didn't have any extensive interaction with anyone. They could both be scum with a lot of different people... but does that make them more likely to be scum period? No.

I think Zazie is the scummiest person in the game for her incessant craplogic (read her posts, seriously, Plum can see it.), and I could easily see her partnered with Kirroha, OP, or you, not by the way of "no-interaction", but by the way of "scum-interaction." That is why I am voting for her.

[Kmd4390]

So either you were worried about town hammering or you were worried about scum hammering. Why defend against both? Why not say which is the case and just defend against that point?

But, anyway. At this point, the post is more defense than attack. So I won't consider this part of your case.

Because Zazie wasn't clear, and I wanted to cover either response from her.

That wasn't my point. Were you worried about scum hammering or town hammering? And if you meant one and she meant the other, why should you even bother defending whichever wasn't even what you meant in the first place?

Zazie stated that the issue was that I was scaring scum away from hammering me. Read her post, here:

Uhm, you weren't thinking about a townie hammering when you wrote this:

Scum can go ahead and hammer me, btw. Especially in a setup where the town wins if they find just one scum.

LAL?

Unvote Vote Crazy

Why would scum need to stop other scum from hammering them? Craplogic = Scum = Die, Zazie.

What she pointed to is that YOU were talking about a scum hammer originally and then YOU started to talk about a town hammer. The inconsistancy is yours here.

I don't see her saying that you were scaring scum away from hammering.

I didn't make any real notes of all possible scumpairs, Kmd, because both Chief and Kirroha didn't have any extensive interaction with anyone. They could both be scum with a lot of different people... but does that make them more likely to be scum period? No.

But you don't feel like you can eliminate any pairs? Or at least comment on them? Town should have no reason not to do this.

I think Zazie is the scummiest person in the game for her incessant craplogic (read her posts, seriously, Plum can see it.), and I could easily see her partnered with Kirroha, OP, or you, not by the way of "no-interaction", but by the way of "scum-interaction." That is why I am voting for her.

Ok, fair enough.

What are your thoughts if we lynch Zazie and she flips town?

[Crazy]

That wasn't my point. Were you worried about scum hammering or town hammering? And if you meant one and she meant the other, why should you even bother defending whichever wasn't even what you meant in the first place?

I wasn't worried about either. I said what I said for no particular reason. I was worried about Zazie's argument against me. I didn't know what exactly it was, so I covered both possible arguments to save time.

What she pointed to is that YOU were talking about a scum hammer originally and then YOU started to talk about a town hammer. The inconsistancy is yours here.

I don't see her saying that you were scaring scum away from hammering.

Well, I thought she might have thought that I was talking about a scum hammer, but really trying to scare off townies from hammering me, as someone (kirroha, I think), said. Still, I covered both defenses.

Ok, fair enough.

What are your thoughts if we lynch Zazie and she flips town?

I'd think OP/Kirroha, or maybe OP/you.

[Kmd4390]

I wasn't worried about either. I said what I said for no particular reason. I was worried about Zazie's argument against me. I didn't know what exactly it was, so I covered both possible arguments to save time.

What? You implied that anyone who hammers you is scum "for no particular reason"?

Why exactly were you so worried about her argument?

And yet again, why cover both arguments if at least one, or both as you say now, would have been a false argument according to you?

Well, I thought she might have thought that I was talking about a scum hammer, but really trying to scare off townies from hammering me, as someone (kirroha, I think), said. Still, I covered both defenses.

Now that's the real argument. You were scaring off townies. Not scum like you said in your last post.

And I'm gonna just go ahead and say this instead of asking the same thing over and over. I don't see any reason why you would have to defend yourself from something that is false. It looks like scum who is paranoid that there is a case against them and is trying to hurry up and defend before it gets unmanagable.

I'd think OP/Kirroha, or maybe OP/you.

So you mention OP in both pairs. Not likely scum with you if we go to tomorrow and you attack OP. You DON'T mention Plum. And you mention Kirroha and myself once. Assuming you follow this, Crazy/OP is even more unlikely than it was already. Crazy/Plum becomes slightly more likely. Crazy/Kirroha stays about the same.

Noted.

[Kmd4390]

And I fail at quote tags.

[Tenchi]

Both kirroha and orangepenguin have been prodded.

[kirroha]

Picking up the prod. Will post a bit later, quite busy now.

[orangepenguin]

I still think Plum and Crazy are scum. Hopefully together. Would be happy with either of their lynches, but am happier w/ Crazy.

[Crazy]

Well, I'm dead pretty soon. Ah well. So stupid.

What? You implied that anyone who hammers you is scum "for no particular reason"?

It was the random stage. Zazie put me at L-1. I had to say

something!

Why exactly were you so worried about her argument?

You expect me to ignore an argument against me?

And I'm gonna just go ahead and say this instead of asking the same thing over and over. I don't see any reason why you would have to defend yourself from something that is false. It looks like scum who is paranoid that there is a case against them and is trying to hurry up and defend before it gets unmanagable.

Crap cases don't deserve defenses? That's ridiculous!

So you mention OP in both pairs. Not likely scum with you if we go to tomorrow and you attack OP. You DON'T mention Plum. And you mention Kirroha and myself once. Assuming you follow this, Crazy/OP is even more unlikely than it was already. Crazy/Plum becomes slightly more likely. Crazy/Kirroha stays about the same.

I strongly think Plum is pro-town. So, now, like obviously, we can't be scum because we're buddying too hard, right, super-logic-man?

Also, to prove that I'm not kirroha's partner...

Unvote
Vote Kirroha

See, now I can't feasibly be any partner by your logic! Doi.

Unvote
Vote ZazieR

Now that's the real argument. You were scaring off townies. Not scum like you said in your last post.

Neither argument is good. As town, I don't want townies to be quicklynching me. But Zazie's argument was the other one, btw.

I'm going to be lynched. No way Kirroha is going to change her mind. Inactivity by other players is what caused my lynch, seriously.

[ZazieR]

Also, when will you state your reasons for thinking that OP is suspicious, and what about stating your other suspicions with reasons?

Lurky. Not much content. That's pretty obvious. I was also suspicious of you and kirroha, because I think your guys' case on me isn't founded on solid ground. I'm pretty null on Chief and Plum seems pro-town.

As for somebody who thinks lurking is scummy, I wonder why you didn't mention Chief or Kirroha when they were inactive.

Uhm, you weren't thinking about a townie hammering when you wrote this:

Did you even read my post? I asked if your issue was if I was trying to get

town

not to hammer me or

scum

not to hammer me. I defended myself from both arguments.

My argument isn't about that. You're making players 'scared' into hammering you. That's my point. That's why I think you're scummy. Scum has reasons for this, while townies don't. Especially when you think that a hammerer on page 3 would be obvious scum, this is scummy as hell.

So I take it that means your case is that I was trying to get

scum

not to hammer me, right? If that's not what it was, then tell me, just so I know what to defend from.

I'm assuming the former now, that you think I was trying to get

scum

not to hammer me. Well, if I'm scum, why do I have to worry about scum hammering me? Why do I need to convince my scum partner not to hammer me?! It makes no sense!

Your move, Zazie. I think I can win this duel.

'I think I can win this duel'. Why has nobody giving any comments to this? Do townies think about winning a duel? This is not a townie speaking

[ZazieR]

unvote, Vote: Crazy

Lynch all liars.

Where did I lie? If you're talking about ZazieR's accusation, reread please. I wasn't sure what her case was so I covered both possibilities.

If you're talking about the stupid "I've never been in a Lovers game before," I meant this particular setup, not any game with Lovers in it.

You weren't thinking that a townie would hammer. A hammerer would have been obv scum to you. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for you to include that in your defence. You 'warned' someone who would be obv scum to you. Give me one reason why a townie would do that.
That's why I said it was a lie. You were according to you not thinking about a townie hammering. The hammerer would be scum to you. So I don't see any reason why to include a townie hammerer into your defence.

[ZazieR]

Why is lurking a scumtell? Basically, because (in my humble opinion) the optimal town strategy is to pull as much information as we can out of everyone. Consistent contribution is the best way to achieve that; we need to make everyone participate in discussion lest scum lurk so they don't have to risk drawing attention to themselves or their partners and don't leave a trail to read when we go looking for probably scumpairs etc. Lurkers provide only the information that they're not around and doing something extremely anti-town.

The same question I asked Crazy goes for you as well. If you think lurking is scummy, then why didn't you call Chief and Kirroha out when they were inactive?

Well, I'm glad to know that you think discussion Day 1 isn't bad. From the way I'm reading it, your approach to the Sens-method (which doesn't, if I recall, advocate any discussion Day 1, just fast random bandwagoning and lynching) is to attempt to take multiple new directions Day 1 and be willing to see any wagon that got close enough to the lynch. I don't personally think that such is quite optimal; I sort of think it might be prone to the downsides of two more extreme plans (not as much discussion to lean on Day 2, assuming we need it, as we might have, but enough discussion that scum could manipulate the wagons to their benefit) but am not entirely sure that such would be the case. I agree with pressure being put in multiple directions Day 1, and I also agree that discussion isn't bad - it's by far our best tool in this game.

The Sens-approach is actually good. You know your allignment. If you're townie and you put someone at L-1, the chance that both the scum are on the wagon is very little. Which means that if the one who's being wagoned is also a townie, the scum almost has to hammer. Otherwise, he/they has/have to try to get another wagon. If they fail, he/they need to hammer for a lynch. A townie would do it for the right reasons, while the scum have to come up with a fake one. Based upon the reason for the hammer, you can see if the hammerer is a townie or scum.
In the mean time, you can check the interactions.
-Who looks like he/she wants to hammer, but doesn't. What are the reasons, why he/she doesn't hammer?
-Who's trying to start another wagon? Why?
And more like these. So to me, I think that this is the right approach for day 1.

Really? How?

This was asked when I said that a dice could be influenced. My response:
I don't think I've ever done a dice roll in a game of mafia, but I have done so in a PM, and at GD. Here you can alter them. I was confused about this for a sec.

Crazy reacted to Zazie's L-1 vote by, to paraphrase him, daring the scum to hammer him. Zazie's argument was that Crazy's reaction, basically dissuading a rash hammer on himself, was scummy because

a) No townie would want to actively dissuade scum from giving themselves away like that in this setup

however

b) It would dissuade townies from hammering in the case that he was town, which scum would actively want

And here b), as I belive Crazy later argues, is null because neither a Townie nor a scumbag would want to have been quickhammered by a townie at that point. The motivation there is absolutely null. Crazy also explains that his point in making clear that he was at L-1 and the consequences of any quick vote on him were clear, especially to townies, and says he didn't believe scum would rashly hammer him at that point. I agree on both counts; the points made by Crazy here are fair and not scummy - null mostly.

You forget that Crazy has said that he didn't think that a townie would hammer. The hammerer would have been obv scum to him. So why not sacrifice yourself to catch scum if he's a townie? This is my main point.
The other is that he 'warns' scum not to hammer him. By using this, he actually 'scares' players into not hammering him.
He said that scum would be the one to hammer, yet he 'warns' everybody not to hammer.
Tell me after Crazy's response how this makes sense.

Crazy outlined and addressed two possible concerns of Zazie's with his statement: that he was dissuading townies from quickhammering and that he was dissuading/warning scum against quickhammering him. Both had reasonable town motivations as he explained. Then, after Zazie reiterates her concerns and Crazy quotes his point about dissuading Townies from quickhammering him, Zazie brings back the original post, says that he was obviously not talking about a townie hammering him, and votes him for 'lying'. There is no lying here; Crazy was unsure of your concerns and addressed two possibilities. He requotes one and you say that such wasn't the concern you were seeing and he must be lying because that wasn't what he had been talking about? He was not lying and frankly you stating that in such stark terms looks false.

I've already explained what I meant. He's lying to me as he said that he thought that a townie wouldn't hammer. Yet, he uses it as counter argument.
You really don't think it's odd that he would 'warn' scum into not hammering him if he's a townie?
Also, look at the previous games in which Sens put someone at L-1. Crazy's first response to him being at L-1 is not a townie speaking to me.

[ZazieR]

So Plum joined my side, good. Logic shall prevail.

I'm thinking either Zazie and kirroha or Zazie or OP as the scum team.

I'll duel with anyone that wants it. Zazie, OP, etc.

State why you think these teams.

[ZazieR]

and the only scum win of this setup involved scum who, intentionally or not, posted very little in the game.

This is not true. Charter and I've talked about said game. Kevin can probably guess why.
Anyway, Charter did not say that it's because they lurked. In his opinion, it was because one player was acting very anti-town. If you read the game, it will be quite obvious what happened. The lurking had very little to do with it. Don't speak about things you don't know the real reason behind it.

Lover pairing will come up soon.

[ZazieR]

And how when after I voted her she hasn't showed up, despite posting lots elsewhere on site?

I've lately only been active in one game, as it's very easy for me to keep uptodate with. I was planning to post yesterday, but I forgot I had a concert with my school's orchestra. And lately, I've been thinking about something, which leads to my decrease of focus to mafia. I even posted this in the game I've been active in.

Don't speak about things you don't know the real reason behind.

[Crazy]

As for somebody who thinks lurking is scummy, I wonder why you didn't mention Chief or Kirroha when they were inactive.

Well, they weren't as bad as OP... and OP's posts were more devoid of content.

My argument isn't about that. You're making players 'scared' into hammering you. That's my point. That's why I think you're scummy. Scum has reasons for this, while townies don't. Especially when you think that a hammerer on page 3 would be obvious scum, this is scummy as hell.

I'm getting "players" scared to hammer me? What players, town or scum? I gave a defense for both.

'I think I can win this duel'. Why has nobody giving any comments to this? Do townies think about winning a duel? This is not a townie speaking

I do. When I'm positive or nearly positive somebody is scum, then I like winning duels. In Open 119, I had a very enjoyable duel with dejkha. Or you could see Paris Mafia with Kmd.

You weren't thinking that a townie would hammer. A hammerer would have been obv scum to you. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for you to include that in your defence. You 'warned' someone who would be obv scum to you. Give me one reason why a townie would do that.
That's why I said it was a lie. You were according to you not thinking about a townie hammering. The hammerer would be scum to you. So I don't see any reason why to include a townie hammerer into your defence.

By your logic, anybody that uses the word "flabbergasted" must be scum because there's no real reason why a townie would use that word.

See, you don't look for what doesn't have townie motivation... you look for what

has

scum motivation. Tell me, if you

are

talking about scaring scum not to hammer you, then

why

would scum need to scare theiry scum-partner into not hammering him? Scum usually don't need convincing to not hammer their partner, you know.

I'll admit making that post wasn't for any strategic purpose, but do you expect everything in the RVS to be that way? You have only explained how it doesn't have town motivation; you haven't explained how it has scum motivation.

State why you think these teams.

You and Kirroha have both been holding the same opinions, here. OP voted me with no content or explanation after you had made your case.

[Crazy]

Zazie, who do you think I am scum with?

If I'm lynched as town, who do you think the scumteam is?

[ZazieR]

Why would scum need to stop other scum from hammering them? Craplogic = Scum = Die, Zazie

You said that scum would hammer you, not town. That's what I was saying.

What's the reason that you think Kevin can be scum with me?

[ZazieR]

I wasn't worried about either. I said what I said for no particular reason. I was

worried

about Zazie's argument against me. I didn't know what exactly it was, so I covered both possible arguments to save time.

?

Well, I thought she might have thought that I was talking about a scum hammer, but really trying to scare off townies from hammering me, as someone (kirroha, I think), said

. Still, I covered both defenses.

Isn't this what I have been saying all along?

[ZazieR]

It was the random stage. Zazie put me at L-1. I had to say something!

That's why you 'warn' scum. Makes lots of sense
There were lots of possible responses, yet you choose to 'warn' scum.
Besides, it doesn't make sense at all as you didn't even think about a townie hammering. You said, scum would have hammered. Not buying the excuse written in the above quote.

[ZazieR]

As for somebody who thinks lurking is scummy, I wonder why you didn't mention Chief or Kirroha when they were inactive.

Well, they weren't as bad as OP... and OP's posts were more devoid of content.

Chief got prodded, while OP didn't. So how was OP worse? And OP has stated his suspicions. Can you say that for Kirroha?

My argument isn't about that. You're making players 'scared' into hammering you. That's my point. That's why I think you're scummy. Scum has reasons for this, while townies don't. Especially when you think that a hammerer on page 3 would be obvious scum, this is scummy as hell.

I'm getting "players" scared to hammer me? What players, town or scum? I gave a defense for both.

Town. And your defense is BS as you never thought of a stupid townie hammering. Besides, I don't see why you'd post that if you're a townie as you said that the hammerer would be scum. Why 'warn' the scum if you're a townie?

'I think I can win this duel'. Why has nobody giving any comments to this? Do townies think about winning a duel? This is not a townie speaking

I do. When I'm positive or nearly positive somebody is scum, then I like winning duels. In Open 119, I had a very enjoyable duel with dejkha. Or you could see Paris Mafia with Kmd.

It's not about winning duels. It's about lynching scum. I see that statement as 'give up your attacks against me, or you'll feel sorry'

You weren't thinking that a townie would hammer. A hammerer would have been obv scum to you. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for you to include that in your defence. You 'warned' someone who would be obv scum to you. Give me one reason why a townie would do that.
That's why I said it was a lie. You were according to you not thinking about a townie hammering. The hammerer would be scum to you. So I don't see any reason why to include a townie hammerer into your defence.

By your logic, anybody that uses the word "flabbergasted" must be scum because there's no real reason why a townie would use that word.

Wrong comparison. Fallacy. I also don't see any explanation why a townie would 'warn' scum ever.
'flabbergasted'

See, you don't look for what doesn't have townie motivation... you look for what

has

scum motivation. Tell me, if you

are

talking about scaring scum not to hammer you, then

why

would scum need to scare theiry scum-partner into not hammering him? Scum usually don't need convincing to not hammer their partner, you know.

You've said that you think that the hammerer would've been scum. I'm taking over these exact words when I mention my point against you. Of course, it makes no sense for scum to say that.
However, if townies think that other players will look at them as scum if they hammer, they won't hammer as they are 'scared' that the lynched player is town. So it makes perfect sense for scum-Crazy to say, but not for town-Crazy.

I'll admit making that post wasn't for any strategic purpose, but do you expect everything in the RVS to be that way? You have only explained how it doesn't have town motivation; you haven't explained how it has scum motivation.

If scum gets lynched, it's game over for the scum. So if townies don't hammer scum, they can still win. By scaring them you, as scum, can stil win.

State why you think these teams.

You and Kirroha have both been holding the same opinions, here. OP voted me with no content or explanation after you had made your case.

[Crazy]

You said that scum would hammer you, not town. That's what I was saying.

What's the reason that you think Kevin can be scum with me?

Yes, I said that scum would hammer me. Of course town wouldn't. But what's your case; I provided defenses for either, but you're ignoring them.

Isn't this what I have been saying all along?

So the case now is that I was trying to scare off townies from hammering me? I assumed it wasn't when last time I brought it up, I got a vote for lying.

Anyway, nobody wants town to hammer them. If I'm town, and a townie quickhammers me, then they'll be lynched tomorrow and we lose. See, perfectly reasonable town-sided explanation.

That's why you 'warn' scum. Makes lots of sense Rolling Eyes
There were lots of possible responses, yet you choose to 'warn' scum.
Besides, it doesn't make sense at all as you didn't even think about a townie hammering. You said, scum would have hammered. Not buying the excuse written in the above quote.

I'll admit it might not have been a great thing to do, but it seems to me that you're voting me just for doing something anti-town, but not scummy. I've provided reasons either why it doesn't make sense for me to do that as scum, or why I would possibly do that as town.