Yosarian2 wrote:To be precice, A should have said "Percy said he was not going to move his vote", or something to that effect, but it was close enough for you to get what he was talking about.
Ahh. This gets right to the heart of it. This "imprecision" is not incidental. It is not just an attempt to summarize my position. I corrected these sorts of misstatement over and over and over before deciding he was simply lying. He disputes my corrections. You don't need to logic your way from his actual words to "what he is talking about". He is saying exactly what he means to say.
See, this is not the fist time he has claimed I am trying to get PErcy to change his vote.
Dr Pepper wrote:dingo is trying to get a vote changed without providing a solid reason
His claim that I am trying to get Percy to change his vote is the bases for many of Pepper's arguments.
Dr Pepper wrote:
Is there a scummier person here right now?
Dr Pepper wrote:I have repeatedly asked dingo to provide a better target and he hasnt. dingo is trying to get a vote changed without providing a solid reason.
Dr Pepper wrote:dingoatemybaby wrote:
And there it is again. I have not once asked Percy to change his vote.
OK, one question. Why criticize him for his statement then?
You can see that Pepper's base assumption is incorrect, and you give him the benifit of the doubt, assuming he meant something other than what he said. But he consistently makes that same incorrect base assumption. THAT is why I call him a liar.
Dr Pepper wrote:You called B a lie, when it *is* the truth; I have no idea how you could consider that a lie at all, you pretty clearly stated that keeping your vote on a lurker is a scum tactic.
No. I said that an unwillingness to move a vote off a lurker, regardless of what is going on in the game, is a scum tactic. I did not say that PErcy needed to move his vote to appear less scummy.
Percy himself has explained the difference.
Dr Pepper wrote:And C clearly *is* implied by what you were saying; you *were* trying to imply that Percy was using a scum tactic (or was going to use a scum tactic, or was talking about using a scum tactic, or was thinking about using a scum tactic, or whatever); you WERE basically, more or less, semi-accusing Percy of being scum who wanted to keep his vote on a lurker wagon so he wouldn't have to comment on other wagons. And, again, I would be fine with you making that accusation, but I hate the way you seem to be running from your own words right now.
Could be scummy. Could be mistake. Could be a bluff. I'm through quoting my actual words back to you. My position has been completely consistent. Apparently my actual words don't matter though. You've decided that the disconnect between what I said and what Pepper claims I said doesn't matter because I was secretly trying to say something I never said and Pepper meant to say something other that what he said.
Dr Pepper wrote:"Liar" is a very strong term in mafia, especally since the standard meta is "lynch all liars". When you keep repeating that someone is a "liar", when that does not seem not accurate, it makes me suspicious of you.
Be that as it may, here are a couple other "misrepresentations" from Pepper.
Dr Pepper wrote:dingo, I find that accusation of Percy not contributing to be unfounded.
I never said Percy was not contributing.
Dr Pepper wrote:That is complete crap. Percy is actively contributing to other conversation.
I never said anything about Percy not contributing to the conversation.
Dr Pepper wrote:dingoatemybaby: Look at Percy now. He is actively participating while following another lead.
Again, I never said Percy was not participating.
And so on. When I say that Percy's stance on what would cause him to change his vote is not sound, he says I am making "outrageous accusations".
Look, this is not some vendetta I am on. He is actively trying to convince the town that I have attacked Percy in ways I clearly never have. In this effort, he has actively and consistently lied about what I have said. I know "liar" is a strong word. I'm not going to avoid calling out lies simply because lies are considered anti-town. If we are not going to call out anti-town behavior, then why even bother playing?